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LOST Talk / Re: Now know the Smoke Monsters Name- Barry
« on: July 24, 2011, 10:39:33 PM »
Hilarious!

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Where you ready to let go, to move on?
« on: June 06, 2010, 09:49:16 PM »
As much as I loved the finale, and the whole story of Lost, I'm really missing it. I've never enjoyed watching a show that much, and I may never find a show that I like that much again. It's an old saying in show business, "Always leave the audience wanting more." That certainly applies to Lost.

There's part of me that hopes, maybe one day, ABC's ratings will be terrible, and they'll make a sequel, Lost: The Hurley Years. But even that, like most sequels, will pale in comparison. So really all I'm left with is going back and watching the DVD's now that it's over. And I will because I feel I "have to go back."

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Episode 6x16 / Re: last thoughts, goodbyes, annoyances, and stuff :)
« on: June 06, 2010, 04:25:45 PM »
I personally couldn't give a sh!t less what I_AM_JACOB thinks or types.  He rants on and on.

I thought the ending sucked, and I've faithfully watched the show since the first airing of the first episode.  That is my personal opinion and if  you don't like it, so what?

<the end>

You're right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. It's just really confusing to me that someone who watched the show and enjoyed the show all these years would not enjoy the finale. It's like somebody saying that they love chocolate, but think chocolate cake sucks. I just don't get it.

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Well Illana said he was stuck that way after Jacob died. But yeah, I think the "real" reason was to have to be Terry O'Quinn.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 31, 2010, 03:57:14 PM »
If the kids had stayed behind in the Temple, they would have been killed by MIB along with everyone else. MIB didn't care about anyone that followed along with him.

I agree that they would've been killed if they'd stayed behind.  But then why did he make the offer for anyone who wanted to, to come with him?  Why didn't he just leave them all in there and kill them all?  Why give them a chance?

I know you guys will laugh me off the face of the earth, and that's perfectly OK, but yeah, I can see him taking the kids on the boat with him to leave the island.  If they'd still been there with him, I can see it as a possibility.  Would he risk losing his one-chance-in-a-thousand-years-at-escape to go back and look for them to bring them with him?  No, I don't think so -- as you said, escape was his primary goal.  But if they'd been there with him, yes I think he might've taken them along.

My theory on why he recruited some people from the Temple was simply to get some numbers.

I thought about that at first, too, but then I thought "What does he need numbers for?  Maybe one person (like Sayid or Claire) to run errands, but he's invincible.  It's not like he needs somebody to watch his back so he doesn't get shot or something."  I dunno... 

I re-watched it Saturday night, with the pop-ups (which didn't add much, really.)  But one thing interesting that I missed before was that after MIB told Ben "Oops, I left out that little part about the island being underwater," he added "With that being said, you're still welcome to come along with me on my boat when I leave." 

I thought about that too, if he is invincible, why would he need numbers? I think it's because his hands were tied when it came to the candidates. According to Jacob's rules, he couldn't touch them. Also, in regards to Widmore, having more troops should have come in handy, but they got owned when Widmore's crew decided to take Jin. When MIB got back, he kind of had a "Are you freaking serious? How could you let that happen?" reaction.

Also, his whole little game with Ben there kind of reminded me of Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back. (surprise) Vader had struck a deal with Lando to trick and trap Han, Leia, and Luke. Then when Vader decided to alter the deal, Lando protested, and Vader responded with the classic "I've altered the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." Meaning they never really had much of a deal in the first place. I think the same is true with MIB and Ben. He basically said to Ben, "Look you buggy-eyed punk. I just changed the deal, you better hope I don't change it again , or I'll toss you like your guy-liner buddy."

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 31, 2010, 02:57:51 AM »
But since the entire point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone on the island and bring them back, now they leave people behind again.  And Jack basically wanting to commit suicide because of the guilt of leaving those people behind.  Now Hurley is expendable?  Nope, sorry, doesn't sit well with me.

What? How did you come to the conclusion that Jack was wanting to "commit suicide" due to guilt of the people left behind? Seriously, I have ZERO idea where you got that from.

I think the reference was to when bearded, strung-out Jack was going to jump off the bridge, before he got distracted by having to rescue the people who were in the car crash.

Again, the idea that the "entire point of season 5" was to get everyone off the island is false.

Not entirely false -- your examples show that Kate went back to get Claire to bring her back to Aaron, and Sun went back to get Jin and bring him back.  I think Jack started out by thinking he had to go back to "rescue" everyone and at that point he thought it probably meant he had to bring them back with him, not that he'd have to do what he ended up doing.  Hurley, Sayid, Lapidus, Ben... yeah, not coming back for a rescue so much, I agree.
You're apparently the only one who understood my simple argument.

Yeah, here I am thinking your simple arguement was the characters felt "Hurley was expendable". Silly me.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 30, 2010, 04:13:21 AM »
The point is, Hurley chose to stay behind. The decision was made on the cliff. After that...whatever happens, happens. There was never a moment of, "ah screw Hurley, we're outta here." Hurley had his chance, and he wanted to stay with Jack to whatever end. Hurley was never expendable. He was very very heroic to stay with Jack to the end.

We thought the point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone, but we found out this season that Jack's purpose was much greater. Yes, part of it was to save those that got away, hence his smile at seeing the plane fly overhead through the bamboo thicket, however, Jack's destiny to save the Island, and perhaps mankind was fulfilled as well.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Jack is a smoke monster?
« on: May 30, 2010, 01:10:28 AM »
Just rewatched and nothing happened to Des until he stepped in the water...then the smokie-conversion-process seemed to activate (flashing lights and heard the smokie train sound)...but Des is immune.  When Jack went in the pool was empty, but as it started to fill up it looked like maybe the flashing was starting (he was laying the pool that was starting to fill).  But then he was out on the rocks...guess his body got booted (like MIB's did) before he could smokify...

This pretty much sums it up for me. I agree with this theory pretty much 100% until I hear something better.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 30, 2010, 01:05:59 AM »
The plane escape doesn't sit well with me either.  It was pretty worthless, and I don't like that they can easily leave and not care about at least leaving Hurley behind.  Oh well.  I wish they did a lot of things different for the finale but it is what it is.  I can only hope Lindeloff and Cuse will read my brilliant suggestions and bring everyone back to reshoot the Lost Finale: Maxor127 Cut.

Hurley chose to stay behind. Remember the scene on the cliff when they all split up. Hurley decided to stay with Jack while Kate and Sawyer took off. Jack likely knew he wasn't going to make it from his stab wound and knew someone would have to protect the Island after he died. Thats why he talked Kate into leaving, but didn't put up a fight when Hurley said he'd stay. He knew it had to be Hurley.

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Episode 6x16 / Perfect Symmetry: The End and The Beginning
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:22:06 PM »
Well part of what we loved about the final scene of Lost was it's symmetry with the very first scene of Lost. I found this badass video that shows just how good of a job the editors did in recreating that first scene, only in reverse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7CJ_2K-1E


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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 29, 2010, 07:36:34 PM »
If the kids had stayed behind in the Temple, they would have been killed by MIB along with everyone else. MIB didn't care about anyone that followed along with him.

I agree that they would've been killed if they'd stayed behind.  But then why did he make the offer for anyone who wanted to, to come with him?  Why didn't he just leave them all in there and kill them all?  Why give them a chance?

I know you guys will laugh me off the face of the earth, and that's perfectly OK, but yeah, I can see him taking the kids on the boat with him to leave the island.  If they'd still been there with him, I can see it as a possibility.  Would he risk losing his one-chance-in-a-thousand-years-at-escape to go back and look for them to bring them with him?  No, I don't think so -- as you said, escape was his primary goal.  But if they'd been there with him, yes I think he might've taken them along.

My theory on why he recruited some people from the Temple was simply to get some numbers. He didn't seem too surprised when Widmore got there, but even if he had no clue about Widmore, he still was going to have to deal with the candidates in which case the larger his camp is, the better. He didn't seem to give 2 craps when his "people" were getting shelled by Widmore.

Also, I can't really agree with you that he would have brought Emma and Zach along if he had the chance. I'm not laughing at the idea, because we've all had our theories. I think the only way they would have come along is if they were already on the plane or boat or whatever MIB planned to take. MIB didn't care what the consequences were if he left the Island, which is what made him the villian.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Screencap Requests?
« on: May 28, 2010, 07:56:35 PM »
At the big faceoff between Locke and Jack on the cliff, when they're doing the staredown, we get a wide shot, and a bird flies right between them, in the sky. Can we get a shot of that bird? I am wondering if it was Hurley's bird.


The.End-5433-cliff-Jack-Locke


this has to be forever classic, it gives me the chills...

Yeah, it's one of my all time favorites in film and tv. It will be my desktop for a long time.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 28, 2010, 07:18:54 PM »
If the kids had stayed behind in the Temple, they would have been killed by MIB along with everyone else. MIB didn't care about anyone that followed along with him. He was completely self centered in his desire to leave the Island. I mean he pulled the whole, "Oh I'm sorry Ben, I forgot to tell you the island would be at the bottom of the ocean when I promised it to you."

Thats what made MIB the villian, to manipulate or destroy anything that got in his way to reach his goal of leaving the island.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 28, 2010, 07:14:46 PM »

Also, the whole baby Aaron thing can't be infanticide if they were all already dead.

Huh?  If who was dead?  (I was meaning infanticide on the part of the writers, for killing off a baby... if it was everyone's cross-over, then it must've been Aaron's, and it would've been really weird if a someone's "most important people needed to help him cross over" were all these people he only knew for three months or less as an infant, unless he actually died as an infant.  I mean, if he grew and lived a whole life, surely someone else in his life would've mattered more to him than Jack.)  I dunno -- it's confusing.  To say the least. 

Something in Lost is confusing? That would be a first. ;)

I just kind of meant, if everyone in the sideflash world was already dead in a limbo-ish sort of way, then Aaron would have already lived a full life and just be a baby in the church. I don't think we are meant to infer that everyone in the church looks the way they did when they died. It would kinda mean Sawyer and Kate, etc. didn't really make it too far.

I kinda like the idea that Aaron was more like David in the sideflash world, but I think thats really left for us to figure out.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 28, 2010, 06:09:30 PM »
I get what you are saying about "Jack's Moment", but I think we were shown the Hurley, Ben exchange to show that it was also their moment, and thus we can deduce it was everyone's moment. Also the interaction between Eloise and Desmond. Would have been no point in Desmond taking Daniel if the moment is just for Jack.

Well, yeah, the Hurley/Ben exchange outside the church door was "their" moment, but I was thinking that the second anyone walks through the door, it becomes their very own moment.  It might be different for each one of them.  (I mean, why would Christian open the door to The Great Beyond for Rose and Bernard, for example?  Or for Penny?  For Jack, yes, but the rest, not so much...)   That's why I was thinking we were only seeing Jack's.  And it could explain Baby Aaron, without infanticide.   :D

I see what you mean, it's a pretty cool theory. I think it was all of their "moment" though. It seemed that everyone on the church was pretty much together. For example, compare it to the very very end of Titanic, where the camera is panning through the ship and it's from Rose's point of view, and everybody is lining the row smiling and saluting her. In Lost when Jack walks in, everyone is hugging one another, not just focused on him.

Also, the whole baby Aaron thing can't be infanticide if they were all already dead.

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