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Episode 6x16 / Re: David
« on: June 07, 2010, 01:26:05 AM »
The explanation makes sense for some, but not for all.

Why would Locke choose to be in the wheelchair in his "happy" version of life, with his father an invalid from the crash he caused?  Why would Sun choose to be shot and for her father to disapprove of her relationship with Jin, rather than imagining a happy marriage?  Why wouldn't Sayid imagine himself with Nadia, instead of having her with his louse of a brother setting him off on a killing spree?  Kate's still on the run.  Claire is still in a predicament.

I don't think you can take "choose" literally. I think it's more meant as a general subconscious group effort to bring them all together in some unexplainable way in that stage in-between living and dyeing. So Jack didn't necessarily "choose" to have a son as much as whatever existed within his core being helped lead to that being his reality. These things that ended up happening were much like real life, in that 1) it was still unpredictable what would happen to them in the ALT (Jack wouldn't "choose" to have a crappy relationship with his son, but that's what happened), and 2) they mirrored events--directly and indirectly--that actually DID happen in the real timeline.

Jack may have always had father-son issues...thus, he ends up with a son of his own to have a relationship with. Locke may have always seen himself as a wheelbound loser, even while on the island...thus, he's still in his wheelchair working through things in the ALT. Sun may have romanticized the years with Jin before their marriage and all the crap that occurred afterwards (she WAS going to leave him, afterall)...thus she and Jin are lovers-only, yet still in love, and going to have a child (and the child survives the unpredictable events of the ALT, like Sun getting shot, without any damage whatsoever).

Sayid may have always felt himself unworthy of Nadia's love because of his actions both before AND after crashing on the island, but still wants her in his life, just like he does in the real timeline...thus, Nadia ends up married to Sayid's brother, yet is still in his life, and Sayid still gets to experience her. Etc, etc...

Episode 6x16 / Re: Positive thoughts on the finale
« on: June 07, 2010, 01:10:22 AM »
I think the concept of them of them living together, dying "alone" but living together eternally was a twist that I didn't see coming.  That their bond was that strong that the collective souls/bodies gave them that ability to achieve that.

This group of strangers living in on an island with all the adversity they face in the end they were all happy, comfortable and without issue

Excellently put *thumbsup*

Episode 6x16 / Re: last thoughts, goodbyes, annoyances, and stuff :)
« on: June 07, 2010, 01:08:22 AM »
I personally couldn't give a sh!t less what I_AM_JACOB thinks or types.  He rants on and on.

I thought the ending sucked, and I've faithfully watched the show since the first airing of the first episode.  That is my personal opinion and if  you don't like it, so what?

<the end>

Hmm...well, if you don't like I_Am_Jacob's personal opinion, so what? lol ;)

<the end>

Episode 6x16 / Re: Positive thoughts on the finale
« on: June 05, 2010, 01:03:07 AM »
Yeah, I really got everything out of the finale that I wanted. I mean as great as some of the twists along the way have been (first time seeing whats in the hatch, first time seeing Dharmaville, "We have to go back, Kate!!") if there would have been a major game changing twist, it would have "created too many questions". I mean just imagine some Planet of the Apes type ending. Yeah, semi-cool factor, but ultimately unfulfilling.

I wanted a happy ending for our characters - CHECK
I wanted a happy ending for the Island - CHECK
I wanted high tension - CHECK
I wanted high emotion - CHECK
I wanted big special effects - CHECK
I wanted to hear "dude" "son of a bitch" & "brotha" - CHECK
I wanted the final shot to be the eye closing - CHECK
I hoped to see Frank and Richard again - CHECK (though I thought they were 100% dead)
I wanted to enjoy the ride - CHECK

I don't think there was any way for that finale to be any better for me. My all time favorite ending to my all time favorite show.

Yeah I think the way it was presented you could tell it wasnt going to be an Emeril BAM! I loved it...I feel complete still..
Yes, yes, and yes. Plus, everything WhatThe said, lol.

You liked seeing Kate in that dress, too, huh? lol ;)

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 31, 2010, 03:22:17 AM »
But since the entire point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone on the island and bring them back, now they leave people behind again.  And Jack basically wanting to commit suicide because of the guilt of leaving those people behind.  Now Hurley is expendable?  Nope, sorry, doesn't sit well with me.

What? How did you come to the conclusion that Jack was wanting to "commit suicide" due to guilt of the people left behind? Seriously, I have ZERO idea where you got that from.

I think the reference was to when bearded, strung-out Jack was going to jump off the bridge, before he got distracted by having to rescue the people who were in the car crash.

Again, the idea that the "entire point of season 5" was to get everyone off the island is false.

Not entirely false -- your examples show that Kate went back to get Claire to bring her back to Aaron, and Sun went back to get Jin and bring him back.  I think Jack started out by thinking he had to go back to "rescue" everyone and at that point he thought it probably meant he had to bring them back with him, not that he'd have to do what he ended up doing.  Hurley, Sayid, Lapidus, Ben... yeah, not coming back for a rescue so much, I agree.
You're apparently the only one who understood my simple argument.

Yeah, here I am thinking your simple arguement was the characters felt "Hurley was expendable". Silly me.

Yeah, I guess I misunderstood the statement "Now Hurley is expendable?" as meaning the characters thought--wait for it--Hurley was expendable lol. Not sure how I could have become so confused. ;)

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 31, 2010, 03:19:47 AM »
But since the entire point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone on the island and bring them back, now they leave people behind again.  And Jack basically wanting to commit suicide because of the guilt of leaving those people behind.  Now Hurley is expendable?  Nope, sorry, doesn't sit well with me.

What? How did you come to the conclusion that Jack was wanting to "commit suicide" due to guilt of the people left behind? Seriously, I have ZERO idea where you got that from.

I think the reference was to when bearded, strung-out Jack was going to jump off the bridge, before he got distracted by having to rescue the people who were in the car crash.

Again, the idea that the "entire point of season 5" was to get everyone off the island is false.

Not entirely false -- your examples show that Kate went back to get Claire to bring her back to Aaron, and Sun went back to get Jin and bring him back.  I think Jack started out by thinking he had to go back to "rescue" everyone and at that point he thought it probably meant he had to bring them back with him, not that he'd have to do what he ended up doing.  Hurley, Sayid, Lapidus, Ben... yeah, not coming back for a rescue so much, I agree.

Read the quote again, though:

entire point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone on the island and bring them back

Do you REALLY think the "entire point" of season 5 was to bring everyone back?

Kate wanted to bring ONE person back: Claire. And she did.

Sun only went because she wanted to bring ONE person back: Jin. They both died together before she could do so.

Jack tried to convince himself that he needed to bring the rest back, but even Juliet called him out on it and made him admit that he didn't come back for them, he came back for himself.

Hurley, Sayid, Lapidus, Ben...they didn't come back for anyone at all.

So Max's original comment--that not insisting on taking Hurley with them on the plane somehow contradicts the "entire point" of season 5--would indeed appear to be false, no? Letting Hurley stay behind on his own accord and by his own wishes does abso-stinkin-lutely nothing to contradict anything in season 5 or anything we've come to be shown about all of the characters. It's a weak point he's making as a foundation for complaining. The show actually told us point-blank that NONE of the returning O6 returned to the island to "bring everyone back".

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 30, 2010, 04:36:27 AM »
But since the entire point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone on the island and bring them back, now they leave people behind again.  And Jack basically wanting to commit suicide because of the guilt of leaving those people behind.  Now Hurley is expendable?  Nope, sorry, doesn't sit well with me.

What? How did you come to the conclusion that Jack was wanting to "commit suicide" due to guilt of the people left behind? Seriously, I have ZERO idea where you got that from. Jack's inner transformation was not all that different from Desmond's sudden enlightenment and the realization of what MUST be done...and him being OK with it. Jack's transformation took a lot longer, but he reached the same place...he knew what must be done and was OK with doing so. No "guilt" necessary.

And as Casey has said numerous times, Hurley WANTED to stay behind. Why that doesn't matter to you and you can ONLY see it as the others viewing Hurley as expendable, I don't understand.

As for the point of season 5...Jack already said that the reason he came back was because he thought the island could "fix" him ("I came back because I was broken"). Do you remember, in season 5, when Juliet and Jack had this exchange in the bathroom?

JACK: I came back here because I care, Juliet. I came back here because I was trying to save you.

JULIET: We didn't need saving. We've been fine for three years. You came back here for you. At least do me the courtesy of telling me why.

JACK: I came back...because I was supposed to.

JULIET: Supposed to do what?

JACK: [Scoffs] I don't know yet.

JULIET: Well, you'd better figure it out.

So that kind of puts a dent in your theory that all of season 5 was geared around getting everyone off the island, doesn't it? Jack may have said that's why he went back, but it's made DAMN clear in that exchange that it wasn't the real reason he went back...that Jack didn't know yet why he came back, only that he "knew" he was supposed to. And as mentioned before, Jack further explains to Hurley that the underlying reason he came back was because he was "broken" and thought the island could "fix" him. No talk about getting everyone off the island that was left behind before.

Why did Hurley come back? Because Jacob visited him and set his path in Jacob said, some people just need to be told directly what to do, and Hurley was one of those people. Why did Sun come back? Because she was made to believe Jin was still alive, and she ONLY went back for him. Why did Sayid go back? He was forced lol...Ilana had him handcuffed and under arrest. Why did Kate come back? To find Claire and return her to Aaron.

Again, the idea that the "entire point of season 5" was to get everyone off the island is false.

I've noticed that the "unanswered questions" lists tend to include every tiny speck of anything left unanswered far more than they are a reflection of the questions people actually cared about. It's as if people re-watched the entire 6 years of "Lost" solely to find every small tidbit that they feel was left unanswered seems more an agenda than it does a sincere viewpoint.

I saw one guy on another site list something like 80 "unanswered" questions, including a question about a character that only appeared in one episode for a grand total of something like a minute and a was such an obscure character that I had to go look up the name on Google in order to figure out who the hell they were referring to lol. I can't even remember the character's name NOW, to be honest. Yet there it was on someone's list of things "Lost" failed to give an explanation for.

Now...coming from someone who was indeed hoping for better explanations--and spent his share of posts complaining about TPTB dropping the ball--I gotta say, the way they did the finale made me care one hell of a lot less about having all those questions answered.

Yes, finding out why the numbers were being broadcast on some radio frequency years earlier would have made the show better for me. No, the fact that they never explained that part does not lessen my enjoyment of the show to any noticeable degree because of how they DID handle the finale.

Yes, the show's constant emphasis on it being important that Aaron be raised by Claire and Claire alone just seemed to fizzle out, and I didn't like that at all. No, after seeing the finale I'm not still fuming over it, because ultimately it's irrelevant to what the show DID end up giving me.

The science fiction and history of the island were subplots, devices in which to place these characters and show their transformations. The show has always been about dualities--faith vs. science, destiny will, good vs. evil, etc, etc., and how each individual deals in solving those dualities. Within that context the mysteries and situations that the characters found themselves in were ultimately important because of how they helped shape the characters, NOT because of how those mysteries and situations came into being themselves. Put another way, what was important about the temple was that within it, both Sayid and Ben were "healed", saved from death, and that moment played a vital point in each character's development into who they ended up becoming. Who exactly built the temple plays no vital role whatsoever. Ben and Sayid's dark transformations afterwards were both handled rather straightforwardly. The temple's origins were giving vague hints along the way. One was important to the storyline. One was matter how much it may have been important to any of us individually.

The big questions, though, were answered:

- Did the people who surrived the plane crash survive it for a reason, or was it all just luck?

- If it WAS for a reason, what was the reason?

- Was the island truly "special" with certain abilities that effected the rest of the world?

- Who exactly is Jacob?

- What is the Smoke Monster?

- What was Dharma?

- Who are the Others?

- Why did Jack believe to his core that he and the others who made it off the island "had to go back"?

- What is the purpose of the island's existence?

- What did the numbers stand for?

These were all answered directly during the show's run. There were numerous other questions in which we were given 75% of the answer and left to fill in the rest ourselves. I prefer that to giving us concrete, carved-in-stone answers and hoping we all buy into it. Some of my most favorite movies are the ones where there are questions left unanswered (at least directly), but the movie was still pretty damn good to the point that I found myself discussing the movie and coming up with theories with other fans of those same movies..."Mulholland Dr.", "Donnie Darko" and "Primer" are just three examples. And all of these movies have had HUGE online discussions concerning what "really" happened. "Lost" now falls into that same category of entertainment experience...and I'm ok with still wondering about why the numbers were ever broadcast to begin with. I have my own theory that I think works incredibly fits into the grand scheme of the "Lost" storyline. However, if the show actually used my theory, it would only end up causing more questions to be answered lol...

Episode 6x16 / Re: It worked
« on: May 30, 2010, 03:26:55 AM »
I caught it the first time lol...but I also took it as having a double meaning. Well, at least until I realized Jack was dead, and that all of them were dead. At that point I thought "Oh, damn, it'd didn't work afterall" and that I was wrong about the double meaning. It was just a VERY clever red herring.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 30, 2010, 03:24:07 AM »
Yeah, but as far as everyone on the plane was concerned, the island was going to sink and Hurley was going to die.

Well, it's not as if they showed everyone's reactions later after letting the reality of it all sink in...all Kate, Sawyer, Miles and the rest were thinking was they need to escape, and now. Actually, that's an incredibly realistic reaction so it works for me. It's waaaay too "hollywood"-ish to constantly have people risking their lives because they MUST save every single character in the movie or tv show lol...even the pets.

"Where's Boomer?!...Here, Boomer! Here, boy!!" - Independence Day, as the world literally explodes all around Vivica Fox and her young son.

Ripley looking all over the spaceship for the damn cat, even though there's a 10 foot tall face-eating, acid-dripping alien after her lol...

Episode 6x16 / Re: Positive thoughts on the finale
« on: May 30, 2010, 03:19:47 AM »
This sideways shot of Jack staring down FLocke from a distance as the island is starting to be destroyed:

The fact that the last 5 minutes of the finale had zero dialog (minus one line from Locke to Jack: "They're all waiting for you").

Ben sitting alone outside the church, even though both Locke and Hurley invite him in...very poignant scene. And Ben's reaction to seeing Hurley walk out of the church--the delight and warmth in his "Hello, Hugo" was incredibly sincere.

Vincent laying down next to Jack at the very end (as others have mentioned)...incredibly sad and beautiful at the same time.

Having the last image Jack will ever see in his life be that he did get the plane off the island afterall.

FLocke bleeding for the first time ever after Jack started punching him...and FLocke's expression on his face when he realized he was now vulnerable.

Every single one of the "breakthroughs" in the ALT...all were very emotional. Well, except the Sayid/Shannon one lol...but even that one had me going "Oh, s**t, it's Shannon" and laughing lol...

The moment I realized Hurley, and not Jack, was going to be the new island protector.

Seeing Rose and Bernard as the ones who rescued Desmond from the well.

Locke to Jack in the ALT: "You don't have a son"...that sent chills.

Kate in that dress lol :D...I'm sorry, but when they showed her approaching Jack after the concert had ended and Jack was looking for his "son", and especially when they showed her from the side...hoo, boy. I kept thinking why can't a woman that hot and dressed THAT good ever approach me and say "I've missed you soooo much"? lol

That they actually kept both Richard and Lapidus alive lol.

Or why did Juliet create a marriage and divorce with Jack and a son that apparently ceases to exist once they remember?  And did they have actual births and lives in the sideways or is it more like the Matrix?

Things in the sideways/ALT/whatever seemed to at least somewhat mirror events on the island...and on the island Jack and Juliet were indeed "together" for a little while, but they both ended up realizing that Jack loved someone else. And of course in the wake of Jack leaving the island, Juliet and Sawyer actually found true love together. Same thing more or less happened in the ALT universe.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:55:34 PM »
Kate and Claire get to raise AAron,

Why does this sound like they're going to make a lovely lesbian couple raising a family together? lol :)

Episode 6x16 / A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:37:58 PM »
I saw this on another site (Lostpedia, maybe?)...thought it did a great job of summing up "Lost" and it's 6 year run:

"First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...


Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding."

Episode 6x16 / Re: "The long con."
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:14:43 PM »
Please don't tell me this is yet another Lost-bashing thread sugesting that we've all been long-conned by TPTB!  If, so, the moderators should just merge it with the other ones that go nowhere.  Otherwise, if it refers to Sawyer telling Jack his plan to kill MIB was a long con, then what's there to discuss?  It was a pretty slim long-shot.

Yeah, that was one of my favorite lines from the episode. When you look at Jack's strategy, I wouldn't necessarily call it a "long con" but it's a phrase that Sawyer has used throughout the show so the line fit real well. Watching it the first time, I was pretty much thinking the same thing Sawyer was, Jack was taking one hell of a gamble. That suspense really added soooo much to the finale.

I posted sometime before the finale, that part of what makes it so suspensful was that, even after talking with Jacob, we had no idea how MIB could be beaten. I knew at some point in the finale, somebody was going to do the "I have an idea, and it's so crazy it just might work" type of line. We got it from Jack and it definitely hightened the suspense.

I thought it was pretty funny that all along everyone had been all "ooohhh, stay away from the light; don't go down there; it has to be protected" and then all of a sudden everyone is "OK, so let's go down to the Light!" and everyone is totally in favor of it!   ;D  Even Desmond!  "Okie-dokie, let's go!"  I swear I almost heard them singing "Heigh-Ho!" from Snow White as they went tripping down the path towards the Magic Spring...    :D

Well, to be fair, it was only FLocke, Jack and Desmond who were OK with going down into the cave and into the light...and that was only because Desmond knew he would likely survive the trip. FLocke had been "born" down there, so to speak, and knew he could use Desmond's special abilities to destroy the island (or so he hoped)...and Jack assumed Jacob knew that Desmond going into the cave would actually turn him into some sort of "weapon" he could use to defeat FLocke. Both FLocke and Jack were right, it turns out. And so was Desmond, as he survived what would normally kill everyone else. So in reality, it made sense for those three men to really have no problem with the journey.

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