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Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 27, 2010, 11:28:07 PM »
For anyone following this thread, in reading a bunch of other articles, I've come up with this theory:

Aaron was a baby in church because in that world, he was indeed just born. His birth was the catalyst for Claire and Kate and then Charlie to remember. So really, Claire just left the concert and went right to the church with the baby. That world seemed to follow the rules of their real world, so it made sense for her to be holding the baby she just gave birth to.

It's possible baby Aaron wasn't even really the Aaron born on the island at all, the baby could have been like Jack's son, and only existed to serve it's purpose in the alt world.

In the ALT timeline, why did Jack create himself a son he didn't actually have?
Was this simply because of his desire to have a good father/son relationship in his life?

Yes, I think that was it. And to make amends, to "earn" that relationship, if you will. If you remember, Jack didn't always have a good relationship with his son. Jack created an alt where he got to do what he and he father hadn't done yet (because he hadn't been to church), which was find common ground, forgive and move on, trying to be better. I do think it was important that Jack 'earned' it, as opposed to just giving himself a perfect father/son relationship.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Not just extra 30, but extra 50 minutes!
« on: May 27, 2010, 11:04:27 PM »
I read on Docarzt that there will be an additional 20min. of the finale on the DVD and BLUERAY.
Part of the time will be with Hurley and Ben as #1 and #2 on the island after Jack's death.

E! confirms this: (And some Walt explanation too)

From the article:
One more reason to love Michael Emerson: He just spilled the goods on an amazing surprise for any Lost fan planning to buy the final DVD collection of all six sdeasons. (And trust me, now there is very good reason.)

There will be more Lost. There is more to the story, and we will get to see it! Praise Jacob! Or should we say...Hurley?!

"For those people that want to pony up and buy the complete Lost series, there is a bonus feature," Michael just told our Kevin Pereira of Attack of the Show!, which airs tonight at 7 on E!'s brother network G4. "Which is um, you could call it an epilogue. A lost scene. It's a lot; it's 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley (Jorge Garcia) becoming number one and the end of the series."

Michael says this extra footage is not the premise for a spinoff. "It's self-contained. Although, it's a rich period in the show's mythology that s never been explored, so who knows what will come of it."

That said, as I reported earlier, we'll find out what happens to Walt on the DVD as well. And so for the last time ever (sniff!), I think I get to say, Lost spoiler alert! Whatcha wanna bet that during Hurley and Ben's adventures on the island, they run into Walt a few years into the future, when he's oh, 18 and looking just as Malcolm David Kelley looks now?

Episode 6x16 / Re: What was with the crash scene at the end?
« on: May 27, 2010, 05:51:16 PM »
Just an FYI: My local ABC news ran a story this morning saying TPTB say the end was nothing more than just wreckage from 815, no big deal at all.

The story was a Christian allegory.  Carlton Cuse stated that.  So all you non-believers - start believing or you will end up like Ben (not invited to the party).

Col Kurtz, I wonder exactly what finale you were watching, because I did not see what you claimed to see.  The church was not primarily Christian (as the stained glass window and all the relics showed) and Ben was indeed invited, Hurley asked him but Ben declined his invitation.

Perhaps you should contact your cable/satellite provider and straighten this out, as your channels must be crossed.

And thank you for being concerned about my well being, but I'll take my chances as a non-believer.
Have a super day!

Episode 6x16 / Re: My musings on the finale (and I didn't like it)
« on: May 25, 2010, 10:23:44 PM »
I REALLY DONT GET IT. How anyone can want anymore answers.  Because we got all of the ones that were essential to the storytelling.

Really? You don't get it? I could say the same for you, that how can you NOT want anymore answers?
Some people are just built that way. Some are more curious than others. Some, like you, appreciate the big picture, the overall storytelling arc. Some, like me, enjoy the smaller details of things. We're just different in how we look at things. Some people ask questions and some don't. It's cool.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 25, 2010, 08:09:19 PM »
I would add some thoughts, but I think I would end up stealing liberally from Jeff Jensen on Entertainment (  He posted a part 2 of his weekly recap column today that dived into this a lot of detail that's worth reading and debating.

Thanks Holland, I'll check out that article.

Well my theories, and these are just my own personal ideas:

Frank, Miles, Charlotte, Daniel, the Widmores, etc. they didn't "move on" yet because they weren't "ready". Kinda like what Desmond said about Ana Lucia. Now, I think Ben and Eloise are kind of on the same plane of understanding about the sideflash world. They know what it is, but still want to spend some time in it before moving on. Ben with Alex, and Eloise with Daniel. Similar.

As for the rules, and who makes them...God, Allah, the Great Flying Spagetti Monster, take your pick.

Penny was there because of Desmond. I think we are to assume that Hurley successfully got Desmond off the Island to be reunited with Penny, hence the whole reason of lugging him back up the waterfall. And Penny and Des lived happily ever after. But thats another story. TPTB mentioned there would be another 20 mins on the DVD, and my guess is it will have to do with Des and Penny in the sideflash.

As for why baby Aaron...well...ummm. Ricky Bobby's favorite Jesus was little baby Jesus so thats who he prayed to, so maybe Aaron was happiest as little baby Aaron. Or maybe it wasn't Aaron in the church at all, just a new and improved squirrel baby that Claire made. Or maybe it's because of the Hurley Bird in the other outrigger. :)

Great ideas CaseyMac! I like them. Thanks for replying.
I especially liked how you mentioned Ricky Bobby's favorite baby Jesus (watching his baby Einstein videos).  ;D

Episode 6x16 / Re: Thank you Sledge!
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:42:09 PM »
Adding my many thanks to Sledge and the community for six crazy years!

Never would have stuck with it if it weren't for this site.

Episode 6x16 / Help need with the church scene
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:40:27 PM »
I get most of it, I really do, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this whole scene. It raises more questions than it answers.

The big one is why was Aaron a baby in the church?
Following the show's logic from Christian Shepherd, he died 'sometime' (we saw him up to 3 years old when they got off the island and Kate was his mom). So he grew up? Lived his life? Died and gets to be a baby again for all eternity?

I also have trouble with who was there and who wasn't.
Penny was, although she'd never been to the island. (and where's their kid?)
Frank Lapidis and Miles weren't, but probably should have, they were there long enough and helped them out enough. Miles was all over the sideways stuff as Sawyer's partner.
Desmond didn't "take" Daniel Faraday/Whidmore with him - why not? The actors were available to play the roles.
Ben didn't go in even though he was "actualized" -- so he was included with the 815ers. (so why weren't Lapidis and Miles?)

And wouldn't it have been cool if Jin met his daughter there too?

I guess I'm confused as to what the "rules" are for this "place".

Any theories or suggestions to understand this are very welcome.

Episode 6x16 / Re: What was with the crash scene at the end?
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:18:07 PM »
If it's not a tribute to the beginning, it's the wreckage of the next plane to crash on the island (you know the plane that brought whoever Hurley chose to succeed him!)


Episode 6x16 / Re: Nadia
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:13:50 PM »
Does anyone believe Sayid loved Shannon more than Nadia? Sayid described the months he was married to Nadia as he the happiest in his life (after he had known Shannon) and Nadia wrote the note in Iraq that she'd "see him in the next life if not this one".

Now all that is forgotten as a two week affair with Shannon where they had nothing in common gets precedence as the woman he enters 'heaven' with?

I had trouble with this too, you're not alone.
I definitely saw Nadia as the love of his life and had practically forgotten about his affair with Shannon.
I went to Lostpedia for help with this and found:

The Man in Black then cryptically offered anything Sayid wanted in exchange for his help, though the one thing Sayid wanted had "died in his arms".

Both Shannon and Nadia died in his arms, but I'm pretty sure MOST of us thought Nadia when Sayid said that. (it's implied at Lostpedia if you follow links). I really think you'd be hard pressed for anyone to say, "oh he means Shannon!"

But Nadia had never been to the island and it didn't fit, so they dropped the ball on this one.

Episode 6x16 / Re: My musings on the finale (and I didn't like it)
« on: May 25, 2010, 06:31:45 PM »
I was totally ok with everything about the ending until Jack opened the coffin. I get the whole thing with his dad, but srsly?

Quite honestly, I think the explanation for sideways was lame considering all we've been told and given by the writers for the past 6 years. It really came out of left field, IMHO - that all the Losties, unknown to each other, created their own alternate universe to meet again. What? ??? We had no hints of such a thing. They broke all the rules they had established over previous seasons. Sadly only one thing -- the way Juliette died/she discovered Sawyer (with the whole go dutch for coffee thing) was really satisfying, like it was planned out that way all along - the way they promised us they had.

I think that was Darlton's mistake - making promises.
At one time, people weren't getting the gist of Lost and ABC was yanking it all over the schedule and people were losing interest: "What the hell is this and where is it going??" So Darlton came up with "oh, we know how it will end, we've known all along, hang in there" to save the show. BUT when they did that, they raised the level of expectation for the ending, even years before it did end. If they had been more cautious and said, "we have an idea how it will end, but are hashing some things out" that probably would have been better and fans might not have expected so much. I really think Darlton knew as much as Matthew Fox said he knew on Kimmel - that it would end with Jack's eye closing. And that's all they knew.  If they really had known, they would have sprinkled more throughout the whole run of the show, not just this last season -- more death's like Juliette's where it really truly came full circle in the end. If they had done that, I think more people would have liked the ending.

I also kind of feel that they had one last "f*ck you" to the fans with the way they purposely introduced things and didn't explain them - like what happened to the people on the plane, how did their lives end and the people left on the island. I DO want to know what happened to my favorite characters, Sawyer and Hurley. Did Claire make it home to be a mom to Aaron? I think they could have addressed this in one of those musical montages where they just show the characters in their lives without the dialogue. THAT would be satisfying.

Overall, I did like it. But you really shouldn't have to think as hard as you have to to wrap your head around the 'alternate universe' and all the new questions it poses, like, Jack never had a son, right?  ???   


Episode 6x16 / Re: Finale drinking game ideas?
« on: May 23, 2010, 07:13:07 PM »
Sawyer uses a nick name - drink
Hurley says "dude" - drink
Desmond says "brotha" - drink
Jack does the "look away, then look back acting" while talking, or someone is talking to him - drink (Click for Example)
Anytime anyone says the word "island" - drink
Everytime MIB turns into the smoke monster - drink
1 shot of tequila per person that makes it off the island, and 2 shots if it's MIB.
A toast and drink to each character that dies.

(Warning: 1 time I invented a Star Wars drinking game, and 1 of the rules was "everytime R2-D2 beeps you drink" that midget droid doesn't shut up for the first 30 mins. of the movie and I didn't even make it to Mos Eisley)

I don't think I'll make it past the first half hour with these rules!

Episode 6x15 / Re: Ashes to Jacob?
« on: May 19, 2010, 11:04:04 PM »
Maybe because Alana grabbed the ashes and they didn't burn completely, Jacob could still appear like he did to Hurley, MIB and others.

When Jacob asked Hurley for the ashes, he was saying, "It's time, I've done all I can, it's up to one of you, let's do this." He finished burning the ashes and will disappear when the fire is out (after he's inducted the new guy).

Perhaps Jacob appeared as a kid for the same kinds of reasons Flocke said he prefers to walk instead of smoke everywhere.

Episode 6x15 / Re: Questions That I Doubt Will be Answered
« on: May 19, 2010, 05:58:30 PM »
The damn numbers.
Why six of them when there were more candidates than that on 815?

Who were the other candidates on 815 besides the ones with the numbers?

Kate and "Littleton", for starters.

Possibly Michael Dawson (124) and Shannon Rutherford (32)


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