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Title: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Writers_Strike on January 22, 2009, 02:12:26 PM
This idea (I can't take credit for it) has been thrown around and I think it needs it's own thread.

I think Miles is the baby in the opening shot. Weather or not he is biologically related to Candlewick, I am not sure. I think the DR. used the experiments on the island to give Miles his ability to talk to the dead. I also believe that Miles has more powers up his sleeve.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on January 22, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
On the fence with this one. I think it would be a cool connection to Candle!
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Gutterball94 on January 22, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think there is nearly enough evidence to support this- yet. I do think it's plausible, but for now it's a theory in it's earliest forms.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 02:26:48 PM
Evidence, schmevidence. :D  jk  I love this idea, & have been convinced of it since the ComiCon vid this past summer.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: msdoran on January 22, 2009, 02:36:28 PM
What about the fact that it was impossible for Babies to be born on the island? Does that mean that Candlewick's baby was born off the island and brought there, or where they able to be born at one time, but the experiments that Dharma conducted screwed something up and then prevented future women from giving birth?
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 02:41:20 PM
What about the fact that it was impossible for Babies to be born on the island? Does that mean that Candlewick's baby was born off the island and brought there, or where they able to be born at one time, but the experiments that Dharma conducted screwed something up and then prevented future women from giving birth?
Either, IMO.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: kenny on January 22, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
Wonder what the dead boar told him?
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Madam P on January 22, 2009, 02:46:38 PM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
Wonder what the dead boar told him?
& who cares if it's only a few hours old.  Isn't it more important to know HOW it died?  lol  


It's full of disease, but DON'T WORRY- it's still fresh. :-\ ::)
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?
doh!  You beat me.  hehehee
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Madam P on January 22, 2009, 02:51:58 PM
& who cares if it's only a few hours old.  Isn't it more important to know HOW it died?  lol  


It's full of disease, but DON'T WORRY- it's still fresh. :-\ ::)

I know!  That was my first thought too!  LOL!
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
I think Miles is his son, but I think that whatever the "incident" was may have been what gave Miles his ability. Who was it that said The D.I. were experimenting with the Paranormal??
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on January 22, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
Maybe Miles got his abilities similar to how Desmond got to see the future.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 03:59:16 PM
The Swan orientation film cites "parapsychology" as one of the fields that the DI studies.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 04:21:37 PM
The Swan orientation film cites "parapsychology" as one of the fields that the DI studies.

That's what I'm remembering. PL with the save again, thank you. Yeah, so if they were already messing around with paranormal psychology, then perhaps that's what happened. The energy released, and affected baby miles.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: JBRam on January 22, 2009, 04:48:39 PM
Interesting theory, but I doubt that Miles is Chang's son. I have a few superficial reasons for it, none really excellent.

1) Pierre Chang and Miles Straume have different last names. Not big, I know.
2) Pierre is a french name. Miles isn't. Also not big at all.
3) Miles seems to not be the right age to be Pierre's son, but I suppose it's possible.
4) Wasn't there something about pregnancies on the island? hm...

BUT

5) Pierre and Miles have different specialties. Pierre deals mostly with time physics while Miles deals with parapsychology. I would expect that Pierre's son would be more interested in the physics than the psychology.
6) Why would Miles have left the island? OR Why would Miles not have been brought to the island sooner?
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
Interesting theory, but I doubt that Miles is Chang's son. I have a few superficial reasons for it, none really excellent.

1) Pierre Chang and Miles Straume have different last names. Not big, I know.
2) Pierre is a french name. Miles isn't. Also not big at all.
3) Miles seems to not be the right age to be Pierre's son, but I suppose it's possible.
4) Wasn't there something about pregnancies on the island? hm...

BUT

5) Pierre and Miles have different specialties. Pierre deals mostly with time physics while Miles deals with parapsychology. I would expect that Pierre's son would be more interested in the physics than the psychology.
6) Why would Miles have left the island? OR Why would Miles not have been brought to the island sooner?

Well, the issue about Mile's age, yeah, I see what you're saying there. It's sketchy, but it could work (Miles being ther right age I mean). As for the rest of what you're saying, well, we're not sure when the pregnancy issue started, it could have been before all of this, and Miles was born off island, or it could have been later (more likely in my opinion) and Miles was sent away to keep him out of danger. Possibly his parents were killed and he was orphaned. Which would explain all the name differences. As for the specialties they both study, well, if my theory is correct, then it wouldn't matter what Dr. Chang studied, because Miles would be raised by someone else. He might not have been brought sooner because there was no need for him  to be there before now.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: JBRam on January 22, 2009, 05:18:52 PM
Good rebuttal. I still don't think Miles and Chang are related though, at this point.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
Good rebuttal. I still don't think Miles and Chang are related though, at this point.

Fair enough. I'm just defending my point. I have a theory working that Dan, Charlotte, and Miles are all from the island, and I'm working out the kinks, so Miles being Dr. Chang's son really works for me.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: red255 on January 22, 2009, 05:32:24 PM
I was thinking last night that the problem didn't seem to surface ( women not being able to give birth) until after the purge. It seems like it is just the other or natural inhabitants of the Island who can not. Juliet was not brought in until after the purge, then last night we saw a baby during the time of the Darma initiative. So Miles and Charlotte could both be children of Darma, didn't Miles once say something to her about knowing what she was searching for? And as for Dan, we saw him when they were digging the Orchid station so how the heck did he get there?
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: versed4every1 on January 22, 2009, 05:34:47 PM
I actually kind of like this idea.  I mean, Cuse said that the DI was there is the late 70s - early 80s rather than the early 70s like I had previously assumed.  So, if Miles was born in 80, that would only make him 28 - 29 years old.  

After all, Miles did decide to stay on Craphole Island for a reason and we have been shown that altruism is not really his forte.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Madam P on January 22, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
Interesting theory, but I doubt that Miles is Chang's son. I have a few superficial reasons for it, none really excellent.

1) Pierre Chang and Miles Straume have different last names. Not big, I know.
2) Pierre is a french name. Miles isn't. Also not big at all.
3) Miles seems to not be the right age to be Pierre's son, but I suppose it's possible.
4) Wasn't there something about pregnancies on the island? hm...

BUT

5) Pierre and Miles have different specialties. Pierre deals mostly with time physics while Miles deals with parapsychology. I would expect that Pierre's son would be more interested in the physics than the psychology.
6) Why would Miles have left the island? OR Why would Miles not have been brought to the island sooner?


Miles would've left the island because Chang was warned by Daniel's coming back about the upcoming Purge.  He wanted his son out of it even if he himself was doomed, so he somehow sent him off-island.  At least, that's what I would do.   So if that's it, then Miles grew up off-island raised by someone else (maybe named Straume.)  And maybe the name-change was for his own protection -- Chang didn't want anybody tracking him down, so he arranged for an adoption and name-change.  Again, that's probably what I would do. 

I would say the age is about right, isn't it?  Isn't Miles around 30, give or take?  And Dr. Chang's Barracks Video (with the baby crying in the background) says it will be seen "about 30 years" in the future.

I have no idea when the problems with island pregnancies started.  My guess is post-Purge, because Dharma seemed like it was rolling along pretty smoothly there for awhile, with schools and school-age kids (some of whom could've come to the island like young Ben did, but probably not all?)  Either way, Miles could've been conceived off-island.

Anyway, just some thoughts.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
Remember Miles's statement to Michael in "Meet Kevin Johnson."  "80% of the people on this boat are lying about something."  He may have been including himself in that 80% in lying about a name or anything else for that matter.  We've already seen that he's not the most principled man.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: hyperform on January 22, 2009, 08:10:57 PM
I think we are witnessing the birth of a superhero team, Miles can talk to the dead, Des can see the future, Dan is the time/space master, and Charlotte can get a nose bleed in a moments notice.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: lostfromthestart on January 23, 2009, 10:27:12 AM
I think we are witnessing the birth of a superhero team, Miles can talk to the dead, Des can see the future, Dan is the time/space master, and Charlotte can get a nose bleed in a moments notice.

The Ironic Four?
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: lostfromthestart on January 23, 2009, 10:28:18 AM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?

You heard it here first -- The Boar is NOT DEAD!!!!
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: surfmadpig on January 23, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
Hey, at least it's better than the Jin being Candlewick's son theory.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: laklost on January 23, 2009, 01:51:33 PM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?

You heard it here first -- The Boar is NOT DEAD!!!!

Bah!  But delicious, nonetheless.  Hey LFTS!
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: jugdish on January 23, 2009, 01:52:44 PM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?

You heard it here first -- The Boar is NOT DEAD!!!!

Bah!  But delicious, nonetheless.  Hey LFTS!

Very good! When does that topic get started
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: laklost on January 23, 2009, 01:53:54 PM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?

You heard it here first -- The Boar is NOT DEAD!!!!

Bah!  But delicious, nonetheless.  Hey LFTS!

Very good! When does that topic get started

You're a mod, you do it.  :D
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: tonysee200x on January 23, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
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I have no idea when the problems with island pregnancies started.  My guess is post-Purge, because Dharma seemed like it was rolling along pretty smoothly there for awhile, with schools and school-age kids (some of whom could've come to the island like young Ben did, but probably not all?)

When they show Candelwick getting up to feed the baby, The energy from Orchid is not yet built the energy is not yet released. We know this because it is that day he goes to the site and they tell him about all the drill bits failing. My theory is building Orchid and releasing this energy is the start of the having baby's on the island problem.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Madam P on January 23, 2009, 09:37:04 PM

You heard it here first -- The Boar is NOT DEAD!!!!

Bwahahahaha!


My theory is building Orchid and releasing this energy is the start of the having baby's on the island problem.

I can buy that...
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: Ladybug on January 24, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
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I have no idea when the problems with island pregnancies started.  My guess is post-Purge, because Dharma seemed like it was rolling along pretty smoothly there for awhile, with schools and school-age kids (some of whom could've come to the island like young Ben did, but probably not all?)

When they show Candelwick getting up to feed the baby, The energy from Orchid is not yet built the energy is not yet released. We know this because it is that day he goes to the site and they tell him about all the drill bits failing. My theory is building Orchid and releasing this energy is the start of the having baby's on the island problem.
that sounds like a good thought to me!
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: laklost on January 24, 2009, 04:38:42 PM
That really is excellent.  Dharma messing with the island. 
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: userh6478 on January 25, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
LOL.  I think he can just "sense" the presence of dead things, right?  And sense how/when they died?  That's how he knew there was a dead boar laying out there and it was OK to eat because it had only been dead four hours.

It is interesting to wonder what killed it, though.  Wonder if it had a nosebleed?

You Mean three Hours
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on January 26, 2009, 06:47:52 PM
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I have no idea when the problems with island pregnancies started.  My guess is post-Purge, because Dharma seemed like it was rolling along pretty smoothly there for awhile, with schools and school-age kids (some of whom could've come to the island like young Ben did, but probably not all?)

When they show Candelwick getting up to feed the baby, The energy from Orchid is not yet built the energy is not yet released. We know this because it is that day he goes to the site and they tell him about all the drill bits failing. My theory is building Orchid and releasing this energy is the start of the having baby's on the island problem.
that sounds like a good thought to me!
yep me three... It's a good storytelling tool with all time travelly/sci fi-ish type stories, you have to go back to change the past/future etc etc but it was ultimately your own actions that caused the problem in the first place. Just watched The Core last weekend - another perfect example. I completely digg that Dharma's noseyness unleashed the 2nd trimester curse, hence their determination to fix it.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: opgelost on January 28, 2009, 07:14:03 AM
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Miles would've left the island because Chang was warned by Daniel's coming back about the upcoming Purge.  He wanted his son out of it even if he himself was doomed, so he somehow sent him off-island.  At least, that's what I would do.   So if that's it, then Miles grew up off-island raised by someone else (maybe named Straume.)  And maybe the name-change was for his own protection -- Chang didn't want anybody tracking him down, so he arranged for an adoption and name-change.  Again, that's probably what I would do. 

I would say the age is about right, isn't it?  Isn't Miles around 30, give or take?  And Dr. Chang's Barracks Video (with the baby crying in the background) says it will be seen "about 30 years" in the future.

Jin has exactly the right age (born in 1974) an was raised by someone who doesn't know if he is his father.
A woman, that looks a lot like Candle's wife, brought him to mr. Kwon.
But the first time I saw Miles I thought he was Candle's son, because he really looks like a younger version of Candle.
Title: Re: Miles: son of Candelwick?
Post by: uofapiglet on January 28, 2009, 06:04:17 PM
This show is so super complicated sometimes that it's hard not to jump to the conclusion that certain characters are related... there's always potential there with all those insane character connections that currently exist but I'm still on the fence in this case. It's more likely to me that Mrs. Hawking may be related to Daniel, but if in the end Miles does have some odd connection to Candlewick-Halliwax-Chang-Whatever then I can't really say I'd be surprised.

It goes back to the whole daddy-issues philosophical debate. Are we (or the characters on the show) a product of our fathers (or mothers)? If so, does Miles special ability revolve around the possibility of him being Chang's son?