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Title: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: jugdish on January 22, 2009, 12:24:21 AM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Gar O Mac on January 22, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
I'd say he was time traveling on his own that time. The dialogue in that seen just made it seem that way to me. But what do I know I didn't even put on pants today.  ;)
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Writers_Strike on January 22, 2009, 12:34:46 AM
I think he will be shown again in later episode (season finale comes to mind) trying to fix the time travel record skipping. He will soon learn that he needs to turn the frozen donkey wheel back a little to reset the needle.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: tonysee200x on January 22, 2009, 12:38:37 AM
I think it will turn out to be him doing some "investigation" while they are bouncing around in time. Probable trying to figure out a way to make it stop.

Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: jugdish on January 22, 2009, 12:39:41 AM
Could be, because he was hiding his identity.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BadRobot64 on January 22, 2009, 12:52:04 AM
honesty with the help of his book he knows what time he has skipped into so he knows what to do.. which lead ne to beleve that the great bda thing that is going to happen is daniel bloeing out all that time behind that rock to create... or stop .. the time record skip from happening... like ben starting out in the desert you dont know how he got there til later,, i dont thin kwe will know daniels otives til later when the beginning of his scene starts there...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: jumbotron on January 22, 2009, 02:51:36 AM
I think the record/island will eventually stop skipping and they'll be stuck in 1975 (or whatever year that was)  The remaining losties/freighties will be forced to join/blend in with the DI.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BadRobot64 on January 22, 2009, 03:17:27 AM
I think the record/island will eventually stop skipping and they'll be stuck in 1975 (or whatever year that was)  The remaining losties/freighties will be forced to join/blend in with the DI.

...agreed...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Sunflower on January 22, 2009, 03:25:20 AM
First of all, it was just so cool and so a Lost opening to see Daniel back then...definitely one of the omg moments for me.  I thought they were going for the whole Miles is Candles kid until that moment.  As for the question of did he travel before or not...who knows? I think he did, he is very well versed in the whole  phenomenon.   He is not a very labor intensive guy (ie drilling, digging, etc) so he was there for another purpose.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Maxor127 on January 22, 2009, 03:33:09 AM
I think Daniel at the Orchid in the past was merely him sneaking there during one of the time shifts.  I don't think he's quantum leaping around on his own or has been doing that in the past.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Sunflower on January 22, 2009, 03:35:22 AM
True, I guess we'll find out in May during the finale! ;)
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Lion of Atreides on January 22, 2009, 03:35:38 AM
I think the record/island will eventually stop skipping and they'll be stuck in 1975 (or whatever year that was)  The remaining losties/freighties will be forced to join/blend in with the DI.

Yeah, I thought whether or not they could do a whole season of Juliet/Sawyer/Locke/Rose/Bernard dealing with time shifts, while the Red Shirts drop like flies around 'em.  They'd have to start jumping into the Cretaceous pretty soon to keep it fresh. Which is definitely why the notion that they'll stop in the DI era seems dead on.  There's no way that the O6 can be trundled back to an island that doesn't stop at the same time/space for longer than a span of hours.  Plus Mrs. Hawking got her 'Event Window Determined'.  But unless the O6 get there in time, such bad things will happen that god will have to help us all.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Shakey on January 22, 2009, 08:16:25 AM
I think Daniel at the Orchid in the past was merely him sneaking there during one of the time shifts.  I don't think he's quantum leaping around on his own or has been doing that in the past.
This is the way I'm leaning right now.  I'll probably change my mind when I'm inevitably proven wrong.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 22, 2009, 09:04:31 AM
i'm pretty sure he was just doing some investigating while the time shifts were going on. the only other explanation would be that they assimilated with the DI, but he was still just doing some investigating either way. eventually though, he is going to tell pierre chang about the time travel stuff, as evidenced by the video
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Ladybug on January 22, 2009, 10:29:03 AM
i think he's been time traveling before (outside of the skipping going on).  or maybe it's time traveling after.  this whole time travel thing has me confused. 

maybe after the skipping, they get off the island, yet he goes BACK to the island and BACK in time to "investigate" what causes it.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on January 22, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
did anyone have an aha moment about why Daniel was crying last season when he saw the wreckage on the television? I am still waiting for that.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Ladybug on January 22, 2009, 11:00:09 AM
did anyone have an aha moment about why Daniel was crying last season when he saw the wreckage on the television? I am still waiting for that.
the aha is because he had already been there. 
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: rhythm on January 22, 2009, 11:09:01 AM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
After some reflection...I'm beginning to wonder if this is where he disappeared to after talking to Desmond.  Remember, he got Desmond to open the door.  Told him to contact his mother and then the sky went white again.  The next time we sam him, Juliette & Sawyer made a point of mentioning that he'd been gone for two hours....
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on January 22, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
I was wondering where he was for the 2 hours as well
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Writers_Strike on January 22, 2009, 12:20:46 PM
Everyone left Daniel there alone. Desmond said he has been banging on his door for 30 minutes. 90 minute walk back to the beach = 2 hours sine sawyer last seen Daniel.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: rhythm on January 22, 2009, 12:35:05 PM
Was he really banging on the door for 30 mins?  Or was Desmond referring to the time Saywer was banging on the door as well?  I just wonder......  And it seemed clear to me that they were definitely in the "past" because another flash had not occurred yet when they went running into the jungle and Juliette & Sawyer bumped into Jones & Co.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Madam P on January 22, 2009, 12:51:22 PM
Everyone left Daniel there alone. Desmond said he has been banging on his door for 30 minutes. 90 minute walk back to the beach = 2 hours sine sawyer last seen Daniel.

But it's not a 90 minute walk back to the beach, is it?  When Daniel asked for a man-made place to head to, I thought Juliet said the hatch was only 15 minutes away.  Of course, they then have to walk to the "back door," but that couldn't be too far, could it?

The "where has he been for 2 hours" jumped out at me, too.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: rhythm on January 22, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
In addition to that...why would Sawyer say 2 hours vs. saying an half an hour or an hour? It would have been a 90 min walk for them as well...
Yeah...I think I've convinced myself that he was at the orchid...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 01:11:25 PM
I think it will turn out to be him doing some "investigation" while they are bouncing around in time. Probable trying to figure out a way to make it stop.


This is my feeling, especially considering the ComiCon video from this year.  No doubt in my mind now that it's Dan behind the camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdWLYVRiin8&feature=related

did anyone have an aha moment about why Daniel was crying last season when he saw the wreckage on the television? I am still waiting for that.
the aha is because he had already been there. 
Exactly.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Floyd25 on January 22, 2009, 01:12:19 PM
did anyone have an aha moment about why Daniel was crying last season when he saw the wreckage on the television? I am still waiting for that.
I think the aha was because he's already working for Widmore and he knows it's a lie
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 01:29:04 PM
Well first of all, Desmond asked why he was banging on the door for 20 minutes. Second, I don't think that either Sawyer or Daniel were banging for that long, because Daniel was up in arms about how "If it didn't happen, it can't happen." So, I think that Daniel would have stopped banging on the door if no one opened it within a few minutes.

Speaking of Daniel, did anyone else notice that he seems to be way less scatter brained now?? He's not stammering as much, or stumbling over his words and thoughts. He seems really focused now. Wonder what the correlation between him time traveling and his clear headedness is.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on January 22, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
Well first of all, Desmond asked why he was banging on the door for 20 minutes. Second, I don't think that either Sawyer or Daniel were banging for that long, because Daniel was up in arms about how "If it didn't happen, it can't happen." So, I think that Daniel would have stopped banging on the door if no one opened it within a few minutes.

Speaking of Daniel, did anyone else notice that he seems to be way less scatter brained now?? He's not stammering as much, or stumbling over his words and thoughts. He seems really focused now. Wonder what the correlation between him time traveling and his clear headedness is.
I forgot all about that memory test Charlotte was giving him last season! Nice catch
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Thomas on January 22, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
If it's true that Daniel walked from Desmond's hatch to the Orchid, that would mean that Desmond was already pushing the button when they guy who made the tape was still making tapes and building stations.    I don't think there was another shift after he talked to Desmond, so I think he most likely banged on the door again and made a plan with Desmond.   I don't think the travels time independantly, so my guess is that he'll hatch the plan to head for the orchid and then take advantage of a timeshift to study it.    I think he was just posing as someone from the DI, and not really part of it back then.    I don't think the was the camera man.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
If it's true that Daniel walked from Desmond's hatch to the Orchid, that would mean that Desmond was already pushing the button when they guy who made the tape was still making tapes and building stations.    I don't think there was another shift after he talked to Desmond, so I think he most likely banged on the door again and made a plan with Desmond.   I don't think the travels time independantly, so my guess is that he'll hatch the plan to head for the orchid and then take advantage of a timeshift to study it.    I think he was just posing as someone from the DI, and not really part of it back then.    I don't think the was the camera man.
I see what you're saying, but that doesn't fit with the established timeline.  Des was only on the Island for 3 years.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Writers_Strike on January 22, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
When Dan is talking to Des he gets flashed back to the 50s/60s before the hatch was placed there. We know this because they all get chased by flaming arrows and Sawyer and Juliette get caught by old school Military guys. So no in last nights episodes Dan did not tell Des more of his plan and to keep quiet. I do however believe that Dan will contact Des again in later episodes and tell him some more details (just like Flashes before your eyes) and to keep quiet.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: rhythm on January 22, 2009, 02:07:11 PM
If it's true that Daniel walked from Desmond's hatch to the Orchid, that would mean that Desmond was already pushing the button when they guy who made the tape was still making tapes and building stations.    I don't think there was another shift after he talked to Desmond, so I think he most likely banged on the door again and made a plan with Desmond.   I don't think the travels time independantly, so my guess is that he'll hatch the plan to head for the orchid and then take advantage of a timeshift to study it.    I think he was just posing as someone from the DI, and not really part of it back then.    I don't think the was the camera man.

But there was another flash after he spoke to Desmond....
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: SQUIRT199 on January 22, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
Well first of all, Desmond asked why he was banging on the door for 20 minutes. Second, I don't think that either Sawyer or Daniel were banging for that long, because Daniel was up in arms about how "If it didn't happen, it can't happen." So, I think that Daniel would have stopped banging on the door if no one opened it within a few minutes.

Speaking of Daniel, did anyone else notice that he seems to be way less scatter brained now?? He's not stammering as much, or stumbling over his words and thoughts. He seems really focused now. Wonder what the correlation between him time traveling and his clear headedness is.
I forgot all about that memory test Charlotte was giving him last season! Nice catch

i think he has been fine since he saw in his journal "if anything goes wrong Desmond hume will be my constant" they just never had enough of him in the show after that to show his new clarity
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: SQUIRT199 on January 22, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
If it's true that Daniel walked from Desmond's hatch to the Orchid, that would mean that Desmond was already pushing the button when they guy who made the tape was still making tapes and building stations.    I don't think there was another shift after he talked to Desmond, so I think he most likely banged on the door again and made a plan with Desmond.   I don't think the travels time independantly, so my guess is that he'll hatch the plan to head for the orchid and then take advantage of a timeshift to study it.    I think he was just posing as someone from the DI, and not really part of it back then.    I don't think the was the camera man.
there was another shift,  Daniel could not get out his mothers name before he jumped
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 02:29:25 PM
Well first of all, Desmond asked why he was banging on the door for 20 minutes. Second, I don't think that either Sawyer or Daniel were banging for that long, because Daniel was up in arms about how "If it didn't happen, it can't happen." So, I think that Daniel would have stopped banging on the door if no one opened it within a few minutes.

Speaking of Daniel, did anyone else notice that he seems to be way less scatter brained now?? He's not stammering as much, or stumbling over his words and thoughts. He seems really focused now. Wonder what the correlation between him time traveling and his clear headedness is.
I forgot all about that memory test Charlotte was giving him last season! Nice catch

i think he has been fine since he saw in his journal "if anything goes wrong Desmond hume will be my constant" they just never had enough of him in the show after that to show his new clarity
I think much of the fumbling & bumbling was from lying.  He's confident now that he's in his element, & he can be more forthcoming.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Staggerlee on January 22, 2009, 04:20:40 PM

there was another shift,  Daniel could not get out his mothers name before he jumped

True True, methinks he is now right headed, as much as a physicist can be, and is making about the island trying to figure it all out...

He did say he had been studying this stuff his entire adult life....
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: lostandfree on January 22, 2009, 08:13:59 PM

[/quote]I think much of the fumbling & bumbling was from lying.  He's confident now that he's in his element, & he can be more forthcoming.
[/quote]

This is what I was thinking as well...he no longer has anything to hide and isn't wrestling with keeping the secret.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: CaseyMac on January 23, 2009, 01:12:23 AM
Well first of all, Desmond asked why he was banging on the door for 20 minutes. Second, I don't think that either Sawyer or Daniel were banging for that long, because Daniel was up in arms about how "If it didn't happen, it can't happen." So, I think that Daniel would have stopped banging on the door if no one opened it within a few minutes.

Speaking of Daniel, did anyone else notice that he seems to be way less scatter brained now?? He's not stammering as much, or stumbling over his words and thoughts. He seems really focused now. Wonder what the correlation between him time traveling and his clear headedness is.
I forgot all about that memory test Charlotte was giving him last season! Nice catch

i think he has been fine since he saw in his journal "if anything goes wrong Desmond hume will be my constant" they just never had enough of him in the show after that to show his new clarity
I think much of the fumbling & bumbling was from lying.  He's confident now that he's in his element, & he can be more forthcoming.

I agree. That was one of my favorite things about Daniel last season. He was the absolute WORST liar ever, so you could always tell when he was holding back the truth. You could still see it in this episode when Sawyer presses him for more information. Then when he starts explaining it, he is more confident and in his element.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BobBX542 on January 23, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
I still think there is something else going on with all of that. Plus, if you think about it, almost everytime he lied, he got called out on it, and fessed up right away, and he was still all nervous and jittery. Oh well, we will see what happens.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 25, 2009, 10:50:47 PM
well at least now we have a better idea of how and why the lady who lands on the island (oh what's her name? the first one who comes from the freighter)... well, now we know why and how she has a pic of penny and Desmond. probably from Dan. Desmond probably gave it to Dan in one of the time shifts for some reason soon to be known.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: jugdish on January 25, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
I think she just got it from Penny's dad, Widmore did hire them.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 26, 2009, 12:05:35 AM
I think she just got it from Penny's dad, Widmore did hire them.
That's what I've always thought as well.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Ladybug on January 26, 2009, 12:54:55 PM
I think she just got it from Penny's dad, Widmore did hire them.
That's what I've always thought as well.
me 3. 
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BobBX542 on January 26, 2009, 04:38:05 PM
I think she just got it from Penny's dad, Widmore did hire them.
That's what I've always thought as well.
me 3. 

Me...as well.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Staggerlee on January 26, 2009, 04:45:37 PM
me 3. 


Me squared, cubed and diced to the quintupled power of N times Juliet's Cuteness ratio.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BobBX542 on January 26, 2009, 05:00:10 PM
me 3. 


Me squared, cubed and diced to the quintupled power of N times Juliet's Cuteness ratio.

You mean Skeletor Juliette?? Man, okay, you win the weirdest guy on here contest.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on January 26, 2009, 06:09:11 PM
Well first of all, Desmond asked why he was banging on the door for 20 minutes. Second, I don't think that either Sawyer or Daniel were banging for that long, because Daniel was up in arms about how "If it didn't happen, it can't happen." So, I think that Daniel would have stopped banging on the door if no one opened it within a few minutes.

Speaking of Daniel, did anyone else notice that he seems to be way less scatter brained now?? He's not stammering as much, or stumbling over his words and thoughts. He seems really focused now. Wonder what the correlation between him time traveling and his clear headedness is.
I forgot all about that memory test Charlotte was giving him last season! Nice catch

i think he has been fine since he saw in his journal "if anything goes wrong Desmond hume will be my constant" they just never had enough of him in the show after that to show his new clarity
I think much of the fumbling & bumbling was from lying.  He's confident now that he's in his element, & he can be more forthcoming.

I agree. That was one of my favorite things about Daniel last season. He was the absolute WORST liar ever, so you could always tell when he was holding back the truth. You could still see it in this episode when Sawyer presses him for more information. Then when he starts explaining it, he is more confident and in his element.

I reckon that daniel was stuttery because he knew of the island and it's powers and potential, but could never tell anyone for the same reason. Keeping something as big as this a secret is bound to make him want to burst with his passion for science and stuff. (For example - it's like having a conversation with someone who loves spoilers when you hate them yourself!)

Now he's on the island and discovering his theories are true he can throw himself into the investigations without holding back. He's acting like a kid in a candy store, this is his life's work and every corner he turns he discovers he was right about it.

I believe Daniel will not only become more confident and strong willed - but will soon become 'leader' as a result.

or summat... ;)

I loved the a-ha moment when i sussed Desmond was his constant.. wonder who Charlotte's is? Surely the nosebleeds are because she hasn't found her constant yet? (probably answered in another thread - forgive me for duplicating...)
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 26, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
Gee, well, OK then !  Guess I stand corrected! ! lol I too always thought that widmore gave her the pic but it never made sense to me how widmore knew that Desmond was on that island.  then when I saw last Wednesdays epi I thought, oh, Desmond and Dan have more of a history maybe Desmond gave it to him in the future for the past. Oh well then.  :-\

Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: LouE68 on January 26, 2009, 10:12:04 PM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
..all I can say is, Daniel Appearance in the First scene ...was freaky!!! I don't know what to say or think...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 26, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
..all I can say is, Daniel Appearance in the First scene ...was freaky!!! I don't know what to say or think...
all will be made clear.... at the end of next season!
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: LouE68 on January 27, 2009, 01:16:26 AM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
..all I can say is, Daniel Appearance in the First scene ...was freaky!!! I don't know what to say or think...
all will be made clear.... at the end of next season!
some how I still don't believe that....lol
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 27, 2009, 01:23:06 AM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
..all I can say is, Daniel Appearance in the First scene ...was freaky!!! I don't know what to say or think...
all will be made clear.... at the end of next season!
some how I still don't believe that....lol

OMG, I'm with you on that!
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: LouE68 on January 27, 2009, 01:33:54 AM
So when we see Daniel before the Orchid is even built, how is he there.
Was this suppose to be from one of the time changes that they are experiences. Or has Daniel done time traveling on his own?
He sure seems to know a lot about it all of a sudden.
..all I can say is, Daniel Appearance in the First scene ...was freaky!!! I don't know what to say or think...
all will be made clear.... at the end of next season!
some how I still don't believe that....lol

OMG, I'm with you on that!
But honestly when I FIRST saw Daniel, one of my original thoughts was he was jumping around like Desmond did...could he be doing that, AND the island is also jumping around now? Would that mean Daniel was there before?
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 27, 2009, 01:47:40 AM
my first thought when I saw him there was , that he was going back to the wheel to fix it. or fix the electrical box that they had to blow up in order to get to the wheel on the other side. and that maybe it was a time machine on a smaller scale, not big enough to move the island just people. but then I realized duh, candle was there so it had to be in the past. so i don't know , was he there before the wheel was turned or after and went back?! truthfully I'm not liking this time travel stuff very much anymore. and it's only been two episodes !

I do think that he is jumping time on his own. He would be the only one who knows how to do it if anyone.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: LouE68 on January 27, 2009, 02:42:29 AM
my first thought when I saw him there was , that he was going back to the wheel to fix it. or fix the electrical box that they had to blow up in order to get to the wheel on the other side. and that maybe it was a time machine on a smaller scale, not big enough to move the island just people. but then I realized duh, candle was there so it had to be in the past. so i don't know , was he there before the wheel was turned or after and went back?! truthfully I'm not liking this time travel stuff very much anymore. and it's only been two episodes !

I do think that he is jumping time on his own. He would be the only one who knows how to do it if anyone.
That would be an interesting bit of speculation, Daniel can move through time, and has learned to control it "some what" but not entirely....could be part of his losing his memory thing...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Blitz Wing on January 27, 2009, 03:18:15 AM
Why was Daniel hiding his face from Marvin Candle? Unless you think he was hiding his face from the Audience....but somehow I doubt that.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: jugdish on January 27, 2009, 07:32:43 AM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BobBX542 on January 27, 2009, 10:16:40 AM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.

At least not by the higher up DHARMA officials. It seemed like he didn't care if the construction guys saw him.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Madam P on January 27, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.

That's what I thought, too.  He was time-jumping, and I bet this jump was after the Barracks Video was shot.  He knew Candle would recognize him from filming that, and so he hid his face.  I'm thinking the Barracks Video time-trip was planned/done rather hastily, as in "Oops, these guys are gonna get wiped out!  I'd better get back there and try to correct that!" and then later when he realizes there are 'restrictions' or whatever on what can be changed, he's being more careful with his time-trips -- trying not to be recognized, trying to gather information.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 27, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
I think we are on to something...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Staggerlee on January 27, 2009, 12:43:33 PM
I do too like that idea
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: SQUIRT199 on January 27, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.

That's what I thought, too.  He was time-jumping, and I bet this jump was after the Barracks Video was shot.  He knew Candle would recognize him from filming that, (am I missing something? what would the filming of the barracks video have to do with this?and so he hid his face.  I'm thinking the Barracks Video time-trip was planned/done rather hastily, as in "Oops, these guys are gonna get wiped out!  I'd better get back there and try to correct that!" and then later when he realizes there are 'restrictions' or whatever on what can be changed, he's being more careful with his time-trips -- trying not to be recognized, trying to gather information.

Perhaps in a scene that has not been shown yet, Daniel goes back and meets candle at some point prior to the problem at the orchid, Daniel knows that candle would recognize him from the first encounter so hides his face?
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on January 27, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.

That's what I thought, too.  He was time-jumping, and I bet this jump was after the Barracks Video was shot.  He knew Candle would recognize him from filming that, (am I missing something? what would the filming of the barracks video have to do with this?and so he hid his face.  I'm thinking the Barracks Video time-trip was planned/done rather hastily, as in "Oops, these guys are gonna get wiped out!  I'd better get back there and try to correct that!" and then later when he realizes there are 'restrictions' or whatever on what can be changed, he's being more careful with his time-trips -- trying not to be recognized, trying to gather information.

Perhaps in a scene that has not been shown yet, Daniel goes back and meets candle at some point prior to the problem at the orchid, Daniel knows that candle would recognize him from the first encounter so hides his face?
plausible - very very.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 27, 2009, 09:36:51 PM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.
Right.  I think that on one of the "shifts," they end up in a time when Dharma is in full swing.  The other Losties lay low while Dan goes on recon, eventually connecting with Chang (a colleague of his caliber), & they shoot the (ComiCon 08) video.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: LouE68 on January 27, 2009, 09:40:59 PM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.
Right.  I think that on one of the "shifts," they end up in a time when Dharma is in full swing.  The other Losties lay low while Dan goes on recon, eventually connecting with Chang (a colleague of his caliber), & they shoot the (ComiCon 08) video.
I'll quote you on that lolololol ;D
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 27, 2009, 11:48:24 PM
and then thats why dan doesn't know how to turn the camera off because its so old!
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Writers_Strike on January 28, 2009, 08:12:12 AM
Why can't Dan hiding his head just be a dun-dun-dun moment, just like not seeing candle's face until hit sits in the chair to start filming.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: matahari on January 28, 2009, 06:54:39 PM
My AHA moment came when Desmond said that he had experienced a memory, not a dream.

I believe the memory tests that Charlotte was doing on Daniel, were to test his recollection of having done this before. Daniel needs to remember last time in order to correct the future outcome this time around. He was crying in his first scene because he had done this before and something did not work out as planned. Ugh, this is so Back to the Future!So my real question is were the "memory tests" really testing Daniel's memory or were the cards that were being dealt actually different this time around?

As for his being less pschitzy, maybe the more he remembers the more clarity he gains.

I think Daniel going back to the Orchid to sabotage the station in some way so that time stops skipping makes sense. If he can make the Island stationary in space/time it will be easier for them to be located, but stop the head-ache of jumping around.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: uofapiglet on January 28, 2009, 07:22:15 PM
My AHA moment came when Desmond said that he had experienced a memory, not a dream.

I believe the memory tests that Charlotte was doing on Daniel, were to test his recollection of having done this before. Daniel needs to remember last time in order to correct the future outcome this time around. He was crying in his first scene because he had done this before and something did not work out as planned. Ugh, this is so Back to the Future!So my real question is were the "memory tests" really testing Daniel's memory or were the cards that were being dealt actually different this time around?

As for his being less pschitzy, maybe the more he remembers the more clarity he gains.

I think Daniel going back to the Orchid to sabotage the station in some way so that time stops skipping makes sense. If he can make the Island stationary in space/time it will be easier for them to be located, but stop the head-ache of jumping around.


I was rewatching epis from lasat season and the "card memory test" stuck out for my too when I watched the new stuff last week. If Daniel is going back and forth through time, then it's possible that Charlotte and the rest of the freighter people know his condition. But it seems the tests serve another purpose, because I think Charlotte would have been more concerned about her nosebleed if she knew what Daniel knew about the Eloise Conundrum.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Blitz Wing on January 31, 2009, 05:21:20 AM
Why can't Dan hiding his head just be a dun-dun-dun moment, just like not seeing candle's face until hit sits in the chair to start filming.

It was done a little differently....Marvin Candle's face was hidden by the camera....he wasn't trying to hide, it was just outside the visible camera frame for us.

Desmond was fully in the camera frame but visibility trying to hide his face.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: matahari on January 31, 2009, 05:29:16 AM
Des or Dan? Dan was conceiling himself!
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Madam P on January 31, 2009, 11:17:40 AM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.

That's what I thought, too.  He was time-jumping, and I bet this jump was after the Barracks Video was shot.  He knew Candle would recognize him from filming that, (am I missing something? what would the filming of the barracks video have to do with this?and so he hid his face.  I'm thinking the Barracks Video time-trip was planned/done rather hastily, as in "Oops, these guys are gonna get wiped out!  I'd better get back there and try to correct that!" and then later when he realizes there are 'restrictions' or whatever on what can be changed, he's being more careful with his time-trips -- trying not to be recognized, trying to gather information.

Perhaps in a scene that has not been shown yet, Daniel goes back and meets candle at some point prior to the problem at the orchid, Daniel knows that candle would recognize him from the first encounter so hides his face?

Squirt, if you watch the Barracks video (the one released at ComicCon, where Candle has been made aware of the upcoming Purge), it sounds very much like Daniel Faraday's voice in the background, as though he's holding the camera.  He comments something like "That doesn't matter, hurry up 'cause we don't have much time," and then says "Never mind, they're never gonna hear this anyway, how do you shut this thing off?"   (Does that explain the 'am I missing something?' -- not sure if that's what you meant but hope that helps explain where I was coming from...)
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: hatch4815162342 on January 31, 2009, 02:51:09 PM
all I know is the Candle/wickman or whatever was dorta mean to the workers....
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 31, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
just FYI. Did anyone knotice when candle was walking to work that morning, a pregnant woman walked by behind him? I'm not saying this means anything but this is just something I haven't noticed mentioned here yet. But she didn't look far enough into her pregnancy for us to be able to say that at that time they were able to carry full term.  I just thought it interesting and wondered if anyone else caught that.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Ladybug on January 31, 2009, 05:10:14 PM
just FYI. Did anyone knotice when candle was walking to work that morning, a pregnant woman walked by behind him? I'm not saying this means anything but this is just something I haven't noticed mentioned here yet. But she didn't look far enough into her pregnancy for us to be able to say that at that time they were able to carry full term.  I just thought it interesting and wondered if anyone else caught that.
i didn't notice.  i'll have to go back and rewatch!
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: SQUIRT199 on February 02, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
THe Dharma Initiative is a rather small group of people. I assume daniel was there on a time traveling jaunt and not a long time member. I figured he did not want to be recoginized as an outsider.

That's what I thought, too.  He was time-jumping, and I bet this jump was after the Barracks Video was shot.  He knew Candle would recognize him from filming that, (am I missing something? what would the filming of the barracks video have to do with this?and so he hid his face.  I'm thinking the Barracks Video time-trip was planned/done rather hastily, as in "Oops, these guys are gonna get wiped out!  I'd better get back there and try to correct that!" and then later when he realizes there are 'restrictions' or whatever on what can be changed, he's being more careful with his time-trips -- trying not to be recognized, trying to gather information.

Perhaps in a scene that has not been shown yet, Daniel goes back and meets candle at some point prior to the problem at the orchid, Daniel knows that candle would recognize him from the first encounter so hides his face?

Squirt, if you watch the Barracks video (the one released at ComicCon, where Candle has been made aware of the upcoming Purge), it sounds very much like Daniel Faraday's voice in the background, as though he's holding the camera.  He comments something like "That doesn't matter, hurry up 'cause we don't have much time," and then says "Never mind, they're never gonna hear this anyway, how do you shut this thing off?"   (Does that explain the 'am I missing something?' -- not sure if that's what you meant but hope that helps explain where I was coming from...)
I just watched it and I would agree that is daniel, but if the good Dr is referring to the purge then it is probably close to happening so therefore after the orchid was built,  He probably went back and forth to him several times and the first few or many, the Dr thought he was a crackpot.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 17, 2009, 05:48:24 PM
my theory about this is that Daniel disguised himself when he knew when he was in one of the jumps... and whatever he is doing down there is to stop, start, or add to the event that still has yet to be defined. i believe thats him on a jump, and not actually there. thats why when he sees the crash on the tv ... like desmond he is getting back his memories then...
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 17, 2009, 05:49:19 PM
my theory about this is that Daniel disguised himself when he knew when he was in one of the jumps... and whatever he is doing down there is to stop, start, or add to the event that still has yet to be defined. i believe thats him on a jump, and not actually there. thats why when he sees the crash on the tv ... like desmond he is getting back his memories then...

kind of like how we see BEn in the dessert and dont find out til much later how he got there.....
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 17, 2009, 07:35:02 PM
my theory about this is that Daniel disguised himself when he knew when he was in one of the jumps... and whatever he is doing down there is to stop, start, or add to the event that still has yet to be defined.Yes , we do know he isn't just a worker for dharma.That's for sure  i believe thats him on a jump, and not actually there. I would think that too, especially if he is Mrs Hawking's son then he wouldn't be that age when Dharma was around. thats why when he sees the crash on the tv ... like desmond he is getting back his memories then... Yes, that is a safe bet. I agree.

* edit  added  -If now that Locke stopped the island from jumping when he turned the wheel, the losties and Dan will probably be stuck in that time frame (sometime in the past when Dharma was around and when we saw Dan by the wheel ) and have ample time for Dan to make that video and look into the wheel and warn Charlotte never to come back to the island. He wouldn't have been able to do all that in between just one flash since the flashes were coming back to back towards the end last time we saw them.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 18, 2009, 01:05:01 AM
my theory about this is that Daniel disguised himself when he knew when he was in one of the jumps... and whatever he is doing down there is to stop, start, or add to the event that still has yet to be defined.Yes , we do know he isn't just a worker for dharma.That's for sure  i believe thats him on a jump, and not actually there. I would think that too, especially if he is Mrs Hawking's son then he wouldn't be that age when Dharma was around. thats why when he sees the crash on the tv ... like desmond he is getting back his memories then... Yes, that is a safe bet. I agree.

* edit  added  -If now that Locke stopped the island from jumping when he turned the wheel, the losties and Dan will probably be stuck in that time frame (sometime in the past when Dharma was around and when we saw Dan by the wheel ) and have ample time for Dan to make that video and look into the wheel and warn Charlotte never to come back to the island. He wouldn't have been able to do all that in between just one flash since the flashes were coming back to back towards the end last time we saw them.

but the timeframe of each jump is undetermined and unknown by each character.. even lock who has a good grasp of things... this is a good train of thougth lets see where this goess... keep thinking... i like it
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 18, 2009, 03:47:16 AM
 I'm not sure I know what you are saying. You don't think they know they aren't in between flashes anymore or you don't think the flashes are going to stop?

  I think Dan has an idea that the the flashes were getting closer and closer and if something doesn't change they would die. So if the flashes stop for a long period of time like for maybe 2 days (like have a 2 full sunrise to sunset days unlike they have had yet)  or weeks or maybe even months or years even ,because of what John did, then they will see notice it for sure.  but that I think that is why Dan is in such a rush to finish the video with Dr.candle or halowax or whatever he calls himself these days. Hanso?  ::)  :D He never knows when the next flash will be. OR is the o6 already back to the island at that point and each person is in charge of fixing something and Dan is responsible for explaining to the Dr all about the time jumps the island etc.?  ??? I don't know, i guess I'm tired.  :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 18, 2009, 03:10:34 PM
I think the flashes have stopped for good, giving Dan the opportunity to go down to the Orchid construction site & then connect with Pierre Chang about what's happening.  The O6 have Ms. Hawking to guide them, & the Island Losties will have Faraday & Chang to guide them in how to end up in the same time again.....which I'm guessing will be the past.
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 18, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
wait, if they go to Dharma that is in what yr? (approx)
Title: Re: Daniel Appearance in the First scene
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 18, 2009, 03:54:14 PM
The DI was operational from the 70's through (I'm guessing) the Purge in '92.  The ComiCon 08 video was filmed about 30 years ago, so I think they are stuck in '78ish.  (Good year, btw. lol) 





Also- I had previously thought that that could be the same time that Dan warns a young Charlotte about not coming back to the Island, but according to Ben, she wasn't born until '79.  :-\