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Title: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Roman122 on February 07, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
this is just utter speculation and my initial first thought, but could this me Michael? Ben did tell him to go a certain direction.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: hyperform on February 07, 2008, 11:28:56 PM
my first thought was patchy, you know he always comes back. either him or richard alpert.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:29:14 PM
Maybe - I hope not...! But I don't see why Michael would be feeding Ben info.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Roman122 on February 07, 2008, 11:29:52 PM
i didnt think about patchy, but he was swimming when we last saw him...
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: AstroJones on February 07, 2008, 11:31:13 PM
If Patchy is still alive I'll cut out my right eye.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:31:44 PM
That is an interesting take on it. We are going to see him this season, so he must be coming up soon. But I am not sure why Michael would feed Ben information, except that Ben is always playing games with people.

Patchy is dead, he blew up with the gernade.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Roman122 on February 07, 2008, 11:32:59 PM
i dont see why michael would give him info either... but hes the only person i can think of who has left the island at all
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: hyperform on February 07, 2008, 11:33:32 PM
anything that happens off camera is up for discussion as far as im concerned
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on February 07, 2008, 11:45:30 PM
i really like thqt idea and i think its a strong posibility i think the quote was

"if you follow those co-ordinates exactly you will find rescue"

so their could of been a walkie talkin in the boat and Ben talked to micheal after the whole dock insident telling him new instructions of theirs some kind of new threat....

Micheals has got to be introduced in a "been rescued way" he cant just show up on the other side of the island and go "oops i went the wrong way"
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:49:20 PM
Sadly, I think you're right... More MYBOY coming our way....
How r they going to explain the "tall Walt"?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: taki1379 on February 07, 2008, 11:50:02 PM
maybe it's walt. Walt has a connection with the island and maybe helping.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:51:06 PM
They started today when Locke said he was taller.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on February 07, 2008, 11:53:22 PM
"I HAVE TO GET MY SON BACK" blah blah blah oh noooo

ahhh yer they covered "a taller ghost walt" this show is actually getting more funny even jack cracked some good ones
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 12:05:18 AM
Lots of vitamins and push-ups on that freighter....looong trip=big Walt! Got it!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 08, 2008, 12:27:00 AM
If Patchy is still alive I'll cut out my right eye.
Too bad I agree with you Astro. You can't live with that blast. I watched a mythbusters episode and they proved that your lungs would burst if you were underwater close to an explosion.

The man on the boat could be Michael. but I doubt he would be working for Ben. I think it would be someone we haven't seen before.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Mom2Lindsey on February 08, 2008, 12:30:54 AM
If it was Michael maybe he was feeding the info because Ben or "the island" still had Walt as a condition of him helping them.
The first thing I thought was Richard though. It seems like he and Ethan are the only ones that have really traveled back and forth from the island on missions.
Was Richard last sent to a temple though? What is up with that?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
Patchy is dead... no island magic can patch Patchy back up when he explodes on a grenade and the producers have already confirmed him dead.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: on the island on February 08, 2008, 12:50:51 AM
It could just be someone we haven't seen yet like Bonnie and friend underwater. 

However, Sayid did have an interesting line, when he asked the one rescuer why he was not surprised to see him if they found Oceanic 815 underwater.  At the time I assumed it was the pilot, but that could also lead to Michael.   
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Austruck on February 08, 2008, 12:53:01 AM
When Miles takes the sat-phone, doesn't he ask for Mikhail (and is told Mikhail can't come to the phone right away)?

Or was that a different name and I misheard it?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: hyperform on February 08, 2008, 01:01:49 AM
no he asks for Minkowsky (sp?) or the george person that jack and kate spoke to earlier on the sat phone
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: WhatThe on February 08, 2008, 02:46:38 AM
Ok, if Ben sent Michael to the boat, that would mean he knew the boat existed before sending Micheal there...and Ben would know that because he'd already have a man on the boat, right? lol...Plus I doubt the people on the boat would fill Micheal in on their plans.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Ladybug on February 08, 2008, 10:35:58 AM
1.  I think Michael is on the boat, but not Ben's contact.  Why you ask?  Because he's a stranger to the boat/freighter people they are not going to tell him or give him access to all the information that ben had.  AND how is Michael going to contact ben?  Does he have a sat phone too?  Doesn't make sense since Ben doesn't have a sat phone. 

2.  I think it is probably an other on the boat, one that we have not seen.  But will see.  I think it is an other who has been off the island and is working inside the dharma/widmore/whatever organization and is on there feeding info to ben somehow.  the others on the boat do not suspect this person, because they think he/she is one of them.  when really he's one of THEM.  lol.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 10:56:51 AM
It is not Richard Alpert, we just saw him on the island like 7 days ago(island time) tops. He is leading the Others to the ruins. No way he could leave the island, get on the boat and get all of the information to ben in that time frame'.

What if his person on the boat was Charllotte. The woman he shot(he knew she had a vest on). It would be classic Ben to cover his tracks in such drastic way. Just throwing that one out there.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 10:59:15 AM
It is not Richard Alpert, we just saw him on the island like 7 days ago(island time) tops. He is leading the Others to the ruins. No way he could leave the island, get on the boat and get all of the information to ben in that time frame'.

What if his person on the boat was Charllotte. The woman he shot(he knew she had a vest on). It would be classic Ben to cover his tracks in such drastic way. Just throwing that one out there.
It would stand true to a classic LOST twist! Good point!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 10:59:41 AM
Makes sense...and then she enjoys seeing the ass who just shot her twice in the chest (despite vest quite painful indeed) being almost shot himself.
It also explains how he knows so much about her.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 11:01:12 AM
Could that also coincide with Charlotte's smug little smile in seeing the polar bear Hydra collar? We do know that Others have made it into the real world, Richard for example, videorecording Juliett's sister.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 11:03:40 AM
Giving it more thought, I'm not so sure now. Remember the phone conversation by the chopper? That gal said what's-his-name (sorry, no DVR) "couldn't" come to the phone right now. Makes me think the spy has control of the ship personnel.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Savior on February 08, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
All 4 boaties have some sort of island reference or association in their flashback, Faraday's being the weakest because he was just very upset about the wreckage.  I find it odd that "fake Oceanic attorney" would miss Charlotte's background ties with Ben and/or dharma and add her to the mission.  

Of course, he could be "with Ben" also....
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Fallybear on February 08, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
Could that also coincide with Charlotte's smug little smile in seeing the polar bear Hydra collar? We do know that Others have made it into the real world, Richard for example, videorecording Juliett's sister.

This is a valid deduction. I think Charlotte's expression when she found the Polar Bear was surprising. It was not the "wtf???" you'd might expect.

I'm guessing we're onto an Orchid explanation that during a Dharma experiment,the Polar Bear was teleported to the desert. The difference in island time and "real" time might explain why it appears that the bear bones are hundreds of years old when they may have been teleported sooner.

Her expression might reveal a more a "wow they really did it!!" look. Take this a step further and this might indicate a relationship between her and Dharma or Others..
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Creflo on February 08, 2008, 11:28:52 AM
The plant is not going to be someone they fished out of the ocean.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostfan777 on February 08, 2008, 11:40:55 AM
The plant is not going to be someone they fished out of the ocean.

Agreed, Ben probably has alot of outside contacts, in alot of places.  And they seem to be able to get any info they want on anyone.  Also, don't forget how Juliet's ex met his ironic end!  They may have more than just a crooked politician or two in their pockets.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 12:59:14 PM
Ben says 'Because I have a man on their boat' so Im presuming its male, could be another one of Ben's lies but Im sticking with my hunch that the mole is indeed a man.
I initially thought it was Michael and am not totally convinced it isnt but I am swaying more to it being an Other we havent yet seen.
As for the polar bear remains in the desert, my first thought was that maybe Dharma have been doing similar experiments in different locations around the glove, The Islands warm tropical conditions, maybe the Deserts dry hot conditions etc... my first thought anyway.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: cbw420 on February 08, 2008, 01:12:18 PM
Patchy is dead... no island magic can patch Patchy back up when he explodes on a grenade and the producers have already confirmed him dead.

producers confirming someone dead doesnt hold weight    <--------so i've been told
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Atomictk on February 08, 2008, 01:14:39 PM
Let's not forget that it is not just Michael we have to consider, but Michael and Walt. They were together.

I do believe Michael is Ben's man, and that both he and Walt are privy to information, somehow. Remember, Walt appeared to John and warned him about the "not penny's boat" people. How would he know unless he was with them?

Ben sent Michael to specific coordinates knowing he'd be picked up, and knowing he could use him. Ben hasn't let anyone leave that island; why Michael? I believe Michael was brainwashed. He was different when he came back the first time. They showed us a brainwashing center for some reason; no one else seems to be the one(s) it was used on.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostfan777 on February 08, 2008, 04:14:04 PM
Let's not forget that it is not just Michael we have to consider, but Michael and Walt. They were together.

I do believe Michael is Ben's man, and that both he and Walt are privy to information, somehow. Remember, Walt appeared to John and warned him about the "not penny's boat" people. How would he know unless he was with them?

Ben sent Michael to specific coordinates knowing he'd be picked up, and knowing he could use him. Ben hasn't let anyone leave that island; why Michael? I believe Michael was brainwashed. He was different when he came back the first time. They showed us a brainwashing center for some reason; no one else seems to be the one(s) it was used on.

I don't believe it is Michael, but I had to comment on the brainwashing part.  A translation of the paper Charlotte was holding mentioned something about brainwashing.  I think it was in the investigations section.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 08, 2008, 05:15:07 PM
definately     Michael, he was my first thought as soon as i heard him say that.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostandfree on February 08, 2008, 06:29:24 PM
I don't agree that Ben's "man" is Michael.  I don't think they would take the chance that he would just be fished out of the ocean and automatically have access to all of the boat people's information.  What if he didn't meet the boat like he was supposed to?  What if they kept him separated in a different area?  There are too many variables that could make that not work.

The "man" is someone that was on the boat to begin with, something that the boat people believe is on their side.  I sort of like the idea that it is Kelvin but I'm not sure.  If not then it is someone we have not seen before.

And yes, I do think it is a man rather than a woman because because Ben said man.  If it were a woman he could have said, "I have a spy on their boat."  Sure he could have lied but in this case I don't think he did.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 08, 2008, 06:43:08 PM
 i have to say that, if we're talking bout THOSE 2, i'd go with Walt has Bens man! lol
Michael could never get that kind of info out of the boaties! and we all know Walt is special lol
besides, walt can get around a computer, better than Micheal i'd say!

i'm not saying i think it's Walt, i'm still cooking that idea.......

besides, both Jamie and Jugs made quite good points!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 06:51:52 PM
How about if Ben's 'man on the boat' is in fact not actually on the boat?
He may just be a 'spy' who has gathered all information about the boats personel, there is absolutley no doubt Ben has the means to gather information on many people.
This could be another one of Ben's lies - he seemed pretty desperate towards the end of S05E02 and this 'bombshell' could be anough to get Locke's attention long enough.
Unlikley but maybe worth considering.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 08, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
How about if Ben's 'man on the boat' is in fact not actually on the boat?
He may just be a 'spy' who has gathered all information about the boats personel, there is absolutley no doubt Ben has the means to gather information on many people.
This could be another one of Ben's lies - he seemed pretty desperate towards the end of S05E02 and this 'bombshell' could be anough to get Locke's attention long enough.
Unlikley but maybe worth considering.

 LOL, you meant S04E02 right??? LOL or do you know something i don't??? :D :D :D jk

Ben did seem desperate and he'd say anything by then to get his fate back in his hand and not Lockes (ho he thinks is a murderer but ain't)

but he still must have gotten a way to get all that info!
i mean, Mikail used to be his "man with the goods", who is it now???
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 07:02:14 PM
lol, S04 :) (ive been busy with a show called Shameless here in the UK, thats S05) sorry for any confusion :)
It appears that many people want to help Ben or at least are happy to be associated with his 'work' on the Island so I assume the 'man on the boat' could be someone that we havent seen before.
Ben keeps saying he is one of the good guys, perhaps protecting the Islands mysteries - maybe he just wants to keep the outsiders out.
It will be interesting to find out exactly what Miles etc want with Ben, most think its because of the purge, killing the Dharma scientists which is probably correct, however maybe he is wanted for another reason, something he has done off the Island?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 08, 2008, 07:05:52 PM
 yeah, i have that same feeling too Rebel!
Even tho Ben says he was born on the island and never left (we know it's a lie) he must have had proper education somewhere else!
He must have left eventually!
That picture that Miles had could be on the island but something tells me its not!!!!

Ben has been to the outside world since he was brought to the island and brought some atention to himself that brought these guys after him!
They seem to be looking for the island for a while..... same as Penny's guys.....
oh, man, i can't wait for the next epi LOL
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 07:16:45 PM
The first thought I had about the photo of Ben was that it was definatley taken off the Island, looks like a phyc unit or something to me - maybe Ben escaped!!?
Main reason I think its taken off the Island is bacause how would these people end up with a nice, posed picture of their favorite wierdo? It was either emailed/ faxed to them by an 'insider' working for them on the Island or someone has been to the Island to take that picture before returning to the real world to pass it around.
IMO the photo was definatley not taken on the Island.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 08, 2008, 07:19:04 PM
The first thought I had about the photo of Ben was that it was definatley take off the Island, looks like a phco unit or something to me - maybe Ben escaped!!?
Main reason I think its taken off the Island is bacause how would these people end up with a nice, posed picture of their favorite wierdo? It was either emailed/ faxed to them by an 'insider' working for them on the Island or someone has been to the Island to take that picture before returning to the real world to pass it around.
IMO definatley taken off the Island.

 ok, you're prolly right..... not likely that someone from the island would send a picture of Ben out...... no reason!
Unless it was Juliet LOL but she didnt know about these guys!

So, Ben was off island at some point and got some cool enemies out there, Abaddon among them, but how? and why?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
I would assume that the only way that picture was taken on island and sent off island would be if it was pre purge, when Ben was still Dharma. I think we have a nice flashback in the future with Ben off the island making some deals. He is a con artist at heart.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 08, 2008, 07:25:46 PM
 Ben his cold and calculist! What ever he did outsde teh island was bad enough that Abaddon would use money and means to find HIM and THE ISLAND!

again, i don't think Ben is their "primary objective" either....
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Foxyschic on February 08, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
It is not Richard Alpert, we just saw him on the island like 7 days ago(island time) tops. He is leading the Others to the ruins. No way he could leave the island, get on the boat and get all of the information to ben in that time frame'.

What if his person on the boat was Charllotte. The woman he shot(he knew she had a vest on). It would be classic Ben to cover his tracks in such drastic way. Just throwing that one out there.

Ooooh! That is a GOOD theory!!  No, actually really GREAT!!!  She looked completely vulnerable when he was sharing all of that information, but it could have been because she thought he was selling her out!  I hadn't thought of that! But, it would be classic Ben.  SHE is his contact. He DID know she would have on a vest.  And maybe even her work in finding the DHARMA polar bear...was she researching the end of DHARMA in other places in the world???  Was that why she was so certain that the plane wreckage found was a fake? Ben maybe had already told her of the Losties on his island!!!!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
That is a good point, maybe ben told her where to look for that polar bear. Sounds better and better
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 08:24:21 PM
I don't think so.  Doesn't do you much good having a mole when they're trapped with you.  Kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a mole.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 08, 2008, 08:24:29 PM
I cannot freaking believe that I'm saying this :D, but is it possible that Locke didn't blow the sub & someone has made their way onto the freighter unnoticed?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 10:14:45 PM
The man on the boat can not be Kelvin or Patchy. First of all both are dead. Nor could it be Richard, no way they could be on the boat. They can not get off the island, and if the freightor picked them up then they would know where the island is.

SO the only two who make sense is Michael or some one we have not met yet
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 10:40:43 PM
Um, tell me again why Ben would shoot Charlotte if he knew she was wearing a vest?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 10:51:03 PM

I think Paula might have suggested that Walt is Ben's man. And I can see how that could be. Maybe some of that brainwashing took. If the two of them are on the boat, Walt would likely be given more freedom than Michael. Perhaps enough to break into computer or other files.... but how does he get such information to Ben? As far as we know the island has been cut off since the sky turned purple (the day Michael and Walt left). Or am I wrong about that...?

It does seem to make more sense that the mole is someone who's known about the dream team for quite some time and has been feeding info to Ben for quite a while. And, as someone else mentioned (Ladybug maybe?), if Ben knew where the boat was, he could give Michael a heading that would take him there.

So my current betting is that the mole has been at it for a while, probably someone we've not met yet. But that Michael and Walt are on the boat and are maybe the cause of Minkowski not coming to the phone.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 09, 2008, 02:25:30 AM
Holy cow, that opened a new can of worms in my brain.

Think about it a little bit more for a second.  Who do we know or (i guess we still think this) can project himself in certain places.  Walt has abilitites and powers to be in more than one place.   

WOOOHOOOO   I think it might be WALT now
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jumbotron on February 09, 2008, 03:05:30 AM
I'll put in my vote for Minkowski.  Fisher Stevens is too good of an actor to just be doing voice overs.  I'm convinced we will see him and see him soon.  Michaels got no loyalty to the others and more than likely has no access to personelle files.  Walt is an interesting option too!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 08:22:54 AM
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SO the only two who make sense is Michael or some one we have not met yet

Totally agree, I dont think Ben would use the term 'a man on the boat' for Walt, Walt after all is still a boy, and it was only a couple of months ago on the Island Ben's people were refering to Walt as 'the boy'. I do however think that 'if' Michael is the 'mole' then Ben may still have Walt on the Island, this would explain why Michael could be co-operating with Ben. Another thing to back this up was that Michael has already gone 'undercover' for Ben once, to rescue him whilst shooting Ana and Libby, so we know he would do pretty much anything for Walt.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
Holy cow, that opened a new can of worms in my brain.

Think about it a little bit more for a second.  Who do we know or (i guess we still think this) can project himself in certain places.  Walt has abilitites and powers to be in more than one place.   

WOOOHOOOO   I think it might be WALT now

Weeeeellll, projection would be a way to communicate which overcomes one of my problems. But that still seems far fetched, even for Lost.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 09:00:52 AM

Totally agree, I dont think Ben would use the term 'a man on the boat' for Walt, Walt after all is still a boy, and it was only a couple of months ago on the Island Ben's people were refering to Walt as 'the boy'.

Ben is such a liar that I'm not even sure his agent is on the boat. The info he got on Charlotte could have been obtained as far back as when the team was being formed.

If Ben says it's a man, I figure the probability that it's actually a man drops about 30 points.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 09, 2008, 10:05:44 AM
The man on the boat can not be Kelvin or Patchy. First of all both are dead. Nor could it be Richard, no way they could be on the boat. They can not get off the island, and if the freightor picked them up then they would know where the island is.

SO the only two who make sense is Michael or some one we have not met yet

I have to agree that the big shock would be Michael. Maybe Michael without Walt. Maybe Ben has Walt once again and is pulling Michael's strings?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Creflo on February 09, 2008, 10:39:17 AM
There's a lot of speculation that Michael is Ben's inside man on the boat.  I think this is based on nothing more than the fact that he headed off into the sunset and we have no idea what happened to him.  In my opinion, it would make little sense at all for this to be true, but it's not impossible..

For one thing, if the crew of the boat fished him out of the ocean he wouldn't be put in any kind of position of trust by the crew.  On the other hand, he's on the manifest and probably has a good story as to why The Others released him.  Also, it's not as if Ben has specifically stated that he has a Patchy-quality spy on board.  The information about C.S. Lewis is pretty impressive, but it's all stuff you'd find on a resumé.  Within 5 minutes of an honest conversation with Michael, it's pretty likely that he'd reveal a bitterness regarding Ben, prompting the crew to share this part of the mission with him.

I don't see how or why Michael would get this info back to Ben, though.  These two questions are the source of my doubt about him being the inside man.

My biggest reason for thinking it might be true, though, is that Harold Perrineau's name is in the credits.  Since he wasn't shown, I can only guess that he may have been one of the voices on the radio or he was a whisperer or something.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 12:29:14 PM

My biggest reason for thinking it might be true, though, is that Harold Perrineau's name is in the credits.  Since he wasn't shown, I can only guess that he may have been one of the voices on the radio or he was a whisperer or something.

Right. He could just show up in flash forwards I guess, but it seems much more likely that he's on the boat.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 09, 2008, 01:13:46 PM
I was thinking it might be him on the boat too, since we know he is coming back
But for one that would be too obvious and 2nd it doesn't make any sense.
If Ben had him as an inside man that would mean that Ben knew that the freighter was on its way..when he sent Micahel and Walt on the boat
It would also means that Ben and Michael struck a deal before they set off into the sunset
I don't think it will be Michael after all.  Of course anything is possible

Maybe Patchy? We know he never dies ! LOL
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 09, 2008, 01:53:11 PM
We saw "Taller" Walt talk to Locke at the end of last season.
It could mean that Walt is being held once again to make Michael do Ben's bidding.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 09, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
We saw "Taller" Walt talk to Locke at the end of last season.
It could mean that Walt is being held once again to make Michael do Ben's bidding.
Yes that makes sense....I didn't think of that! I guess the question would be if we assume that Michael is the inside man, how can he be on the freighter and still communicating with Ben? Through Walt?   And does this mean that Ben knew when he sent Michael & Walt off in the boat that the freighter was on its way?  And is Walt really on the island giving instructions to Locke? or is he somehow teleporting?
ARG!! too many more questions
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 09, 2008, 04:06:16 PM

Totally agree, I dont think Ben would use the term 'a man on the boat' for Walt, Walt after all is still a boy, and it was only a couple of months ago on the Island Ben's people were refering to Walt as 'the boy'.

Ben is such a liar that I'm not even sure his agent is on the boat. The info he got on Charlotte could have been obtained as far back as when the team was being formed.

If Ben says it's a man, I figure the probability that it's actually a man drops about 30 points.

 i guess LAS and I are on the same page.... i agree with most LAS said till now....

And yes!, just because Ben sais something, it doesn't make it true!

i have thought too that maybe Ben has got the info, but not the mole!.....

I love Lost LOL
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: puff6962 on February 09, 2008, 04:46:13 PM
the man on the boat is Ethan. 
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: goober on February 09, 2008, 05:26:19 PM
Charlie shot Ethan.

I'm with Michael and Walt for now.

Subject to change based upon new evidence ;)
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: puff6962 on February 09, 2008, 05:45:06 PM
yes, but has charlie shot him yet?  if time doesn't matter, or realities are crossed, Ethan may not yet have been born.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 09, 2008, 05:48:27 PM
yes, but has charlie shot him yet?  if time doesn't matter, or realities are crossed, Ethan may not yet have been born.

ouch my brain!!!!
(its just a tiny one)
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: goober on February 09, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
William Mapother (the actor who plays Ethan) is not listed on any of the credits for the upcoming 6 episodes. Harold Perrineau is.

I'm sticking with Michael.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 06:22:52 PM
I think Michael's on the boat. It's an open question whether the inside "man" is Michael, Walt, Minkowski, the woman who answered the phone, someone else on the boat, someone not on the boat.

There, I'm sure glad I had this chance to clear everything up!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: hyperform on February 09, 2008, 06:46:34 PM
what i still dont get is how ben can get SO much information about people, things that no one should know other than the person themselves (i.e. sawyer shooting who he thought was the conman Sawyer in sydney). I mean this guy has to have people everywhere and they have to be like ghosts.

unless jacob is telling him these things that no one else should no.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 06:51:49 PM
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unless jacob is telling him these things that no one else should no.

I think you may be onto something - the Smoke reads thoughts/memories, we have seen it only with Locke and Eko, so has it read everyones mind on the Island? Some sort of futuristic mind reading technology? Everything the Smoke learns is relayed to Ben?
If so, why dioes Juliette lock the Smoke out of the compound? (when her and Kate are being chased by it?)
On the other hand, we have also seen what information Patchy was able of gather on individuals too.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 08:23:14 PM
I think just about everything the Others know about the Losties comes from public records. One example that sticks in my mind was Michael's custody hearing and the opposing lawyer telling him that he doesn't know much about his son. Later Klugh uses the same line on him. Juliet knows all about Jack, at least as far as public records can take her. He's divorced, why he's divorced etc. Ben's reeling off of facts about Charlotte is in this same mold.

We don't know why Sawyer was arrested and put on the first plane out of Australia, but I'll bet the Aussies know he killed the guy. But also know they won't be able to make a case in course. Hence, public record, hence the Others know it.

OTOH, something on the island can get into people's heads. I assume it's Smokie, but we don't know for absolutely sure. But this entity can take over delirious Sawyer and have him ask Kate (in her father's voice) why she killed him, can masquerade as Yemi, and on and on.

I don't know yet how much communication there is in the Smokie/Jacob/Ben triangle.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: hyperform on February 10, 2008, 12:28:17 AM
i thought the reason sawyer was arrested was that he either spit on or hit some austrailian statesman, or something like that
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 10, 2008, 04:52:42 AM
Plus I dont think public records would cover every minute detail the Others have on the survivors, this is why I think the Smoke has gathered 'information' via the flickering images we saw with Locke and Eko.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 10, 2008, 08:59:08 AM
Hyperform is right. I stand corrected on why Sawyer was arrested.

Still I can't think of another example of things the Others know that couldn't have come from public record or at least from some good detective work. Almost always they're citing data. They know what things say, but not what they mean....

Do you have another example, Rebel?

I agree Smokie is gathering info by photographing memories, but I'm not convinced that info is getting to Ben.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: therealsawyer on February 11, 2008, 12:29:54 AM
Question:

Ben had a lot of information on our "rescue" party.  However, he has been in captivity since Charlie stopped the jamming so that contact could be made.  How was Ben able to communicate with his "man on the boat"?

Time travel?
ESP?
Richard?

No theories, just curious.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: on the island on February 11, 2008, 10:14:19 AM
He has only been captive a day or so.  I have a feeling that boat has been looking for them for a while.  Plus, Ben knew they were looking for him (because he had a man on the boat) so he must know something about the group.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 11, 2008, 10:41:50 AM
The freighter would of been traveling for a while and the planning of the trip even longer. The 'man on the boat" had time to get the information to Ben. He was in control of communiction up to only a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostfan777 on February 11, 2008, 11:23:49 AM
what i still dont get is how ben can get SO much information about people, things that no one should know other than the person themselves (i.e. sawyer shooting who he thought was the conman Sawyer in sydney). I mean this guy has to have people everywhere and they have to be like ghosts.

unless jacob is telling him these things that no one else should no.

Exactly (almost), this guy has people everywhere and they are very good at their jobs.  They are probably in politics and banking and inside the very companies trying to exploit the island.  The Others that we know on the island are probably the tip of the iceberg and though they appear to live a very simple existence (at least up until that last book club meeting before the crash), they are probably funded by as much money and power as Hanso, Widmore, Paik, etc.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 11, 2008, 11:49:21 AM
And its already been mantioned about the people who came to judge Juliette after she killed Picket. Where did they come from? Are they already on the Island or brought in on Ben's request?
Remember the woman knew about Jack's tattoo's, or at least what they meant - amoungst us but not one of us, or something to that effect.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostatsea on February 11, 2008, 01:49:56 PM
If Patchy is still alive I'll cut out my right eye.


Can we hold you up to this?

jk :)
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: cbw420 on February 11, 2008, 02:56:46 PM
Question:

Ben had a lot of information on our "rescue" party.  However, he has been in captivity since Charlie stopped the jamming so that contact could be made.  How was Ben able to communicate with his "man on the boat"?

Time travel?
ESP?
Richard?

No theories, just curious.

naomi arrived on the island prior to him being captured, he knew of the phone and knew that someone had landed here becuase of Mikhail, thats plenty of time to reach out to his contact and gather the info,

ben knows of these people, he has for sometime, and has probably had his "man" on their boat for a longer time
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Creflo on February 11, 2008, 03:24:08 PM
I'm sure that Ben would not be surprised at all to learn that Walt has appeared to multiple people, nor would he find it unusual that a horse, dead Christian or any other number of apparitions have appeared ON THE ISLAND.

But let's think about the manifestations that happen off The Island.  Charlie will have appeared to Hurley in a future and he's quite tangible.  Whatever happened with the bus that killed Juliet's old man was probably more than just an accident or some normal human sitting there waiting for the opportunity.  The Island has powers which extend beyond the snowglobe.  The Others have agents which work off-Island.  The Sinister Corporation has its evil tentacles in all sorts of places in the real world.

What I'm getting at is that maybe the "man on the boat" is not a conventional undercover human secret agent.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 11, 2008, 04:24:05 PM
I agree that we're not talking about one lone spy in Ben's employ on the boat.  Rather, Ben surely has aligned with one of the factions in the outside world, from which he has numerous people to utilize.  It's unlikely that he  managed to keep the airdrops coming, keep the satellite feeds open, keep the information flowing, with just his personal ability to deceive.

We have seen Richard & Ethan fronting for Mittelos Bioscience to recruit Juliet.  The sub has to dock somewhere in the real world.  Someone has to gather & send off the books used by Juliet's book club.  So, there is an infrastructure to be paid for, which requires deep pockets. 

It'll be quite interesting to see how this grand power struggle plays out.  One possibility is that leading up to the Purge, Ben forged a coalition of The Others on the island, along with an outside group/faction that wanted to take over the group/faction in charge of the Dharma Initiative (Hanso v. DaGroots?).  Maybe Ben was 'their man' for several years, post-purge.  But something changed. Which takes me back to Ben's #1 obsession of late: the fertility problem.  Perhaps he's had a falling out with his original backers.  Perhaps they fear the psychic powers of children if they are conceived/raised on the island, who could become super-Walts, and so engineered the virus long ago specifically to prevent that from happening.  Of course, Ben always is thinking ahead, so before his backers caught wind of this betrayal, Ben planted his people where they could form a network within this group/faction.  That's why Abbadon tasked Naomi not at HQs, but secretly, to keep his actions hidden from those of his group/faction possibly loyal to Ben.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 11, 2008, 06:26:56 PM
And its already been mantioned about the people who came to judge Juliette after she killed Picket. Where did they come from? Are they already on the Island or brought in on Ben's request?
Remember the woman knew about Jack's tattoo's, or at least what they meant - amoungst us but not one of us, or something to that effect.

I don't think we've seen the Others' true home yet. It was hinted that they opened up Otherville for Juliet. Maybe they live at the Temple....
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 11, 2008, 06:39:11 PM
I think one of the biggest keys to the mystery will be Danielle, I think it is gererally beleived she knows alot more than she lets on.
Ben seems to know her quite well, if she has been around 16 years or however long it may be she must know where they really live, she must know every part of the Island - in fact, was must have been around when the purge took place?
She must know so much and i am betting that the reason she has not had a flashback yet is because she knows too much.
Another character that puzzles me is Cindy, why is she so content with Ben's gang, does she not want to be rescued too?

A am still convinced Ben had Danielle catpture him in the net on purpose to get inside the castaways group and I think we will see that in Danielle's flashback, I also think we will find out why Cindy is so co-operative with them.
Danielle has to know where the Others really live, the questions is why isnt she telling?
Also the whisper's are still going on, last week at the cabin they were at fever pitch, Im starting to wonder how they are going to fit all the answers into the final 46 shows!!  ???
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 11, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
The Cindy question has one possible easy answer -- Room 23.

'Course the easy answers are often wrong...
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: goober on February 11, 2008, 08:01:45 PM
Not to get off track here, but do you realize that Danielle hasn't used soap in 16 years  ::) ::)


Ewwww  :o
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: therealsawyer on February 11, 2008, 08:33:23 PM
I too think Ben does actually have an inside man but I don't think they are communicating via traditional means.  I think Jacob may have info on the rescue team, much like the unknown details of the Losties are known, i.e. Sawyer shooting the man in Australia.  He did seem a little unnerved when Patchy told him about Naomi, maybe he wasn't in on it yet or didn't believe.

I guess I always thought that Richard would have a larger role in the others.  Is Cane still on tv?  I hope they don't have to change his role because of the other show. 
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: LouE68 on February 11, 2008, 08:38:37 PM
First off...i think everyone is confusing Ben's info...too much speculation...we don't know how long he's known about the people on the freighter, we don't know how long the freighter has been out there...it could have been enroute since the Losties crashed...
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: joshzam on February 11, 2008, 10:50:27 PM
Ben has a man on the boat. A spy. A double agent. And as we all learned from the Hunt, there is a man on that boat who isn't who he says he is. And that man's name is George Minkowski (aka Nikkoli).
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: catchit on February 12, 2008, 03:27:34 AM
It cant be Walt.  He was on Locke's side.  Why would he tell Locke to "get up, you have work to do", if he was on Ben's and the Others side?  That stretch is too far, for Walt to be playing both sides.

Why would it be Charlotte?  The Others are not carrying out Dharmas plans and experiments.  They Killed them all because they invaded their island to do these experiments.  Charlotte was out looking for Dharma stuff and was happy when she found the Polar Bear.

The best explanation so far that i've heard in this thread is that Ben brainwashed Michael and he is the Man on their Boat.  Think about it: once the Boaties find Michael, Michael can tell him what he knows about the island ... maybe give fake whereabouts as to where the Others and Ben are ... maybe give fake stories about the Losties on the island
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: joshzam on February 12, 2008, 06:22:07 AM
It cant be Walt.  He was on Locke's side.  Why would he tell Locke to "get up, you have work to do", if he was on Ben's and the Others side?  That stretch is too far, for Walt to be playing both sides.

That wasn't Walt. Just like that wasn't Christian.

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The best explanation so far that i've heard in this thread is that Ben brainwashed Michael and he is the Man on their Boat.  Think about it: once the Boaties find Michael, Michael can tell him what he knows about the island ... maybe give fake whereabouts as to where the Others and Ben are ... maybe give fake stories about the Losties on the island

All that planning to get Michael on the boat? Just to keep the boaties from Ben? And yet Charlotte is now with Ben. I don't think so.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Creflo on February 12, 2008, 10:32:28 AM
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It's unlikely that he  managed to keep the airdrops coming, keep the satellite feeds open, keep the information flowing
We've seen one supply load, and I'm not 100% convinced that it was actually parachuted in from the outside world.  No one heard a plane fly by, and there's nothing to do in this place except sit around and watch/listen for rescue.  As for the satellite feeds, there's no need for outside forces to enable this.  I have a satellite dish which picks up all kinds of stations and I don't have to have any outside authorization.

Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 12, 2008, 04:46:10 PM
Joshzam's theory that the man on the boat is George Minkowski, if true, might help to explain why he was mysteriously unable to speak to Miles.  It's also a good point that the chances of Walt being the man are low, given that he's a little young to be playing double agent, helping both Locke & Ben. Admittedly he may have special powers, which would suggest he has a purity which would tend to put him above petty two-timing.

Also, if Michael/Walt were on the boat, logically there'd have been an interchange along the lines of "Hey Jack, you're a Flight 815 survivor? Why, we have Michael right here." Like Sam in Find 815, it'd be unlikely for the writers to have Michael held captive on the boat. What'd be the point? Better to have him roaming free and doing stuff.

As for only seeing one supply load, we could assume that there have been many other supply drops before the Losties arrived, as The Others did seem well supplied.  It must be at least years, not months, since the Purge, since Juliet has been here, what, 1-2 years at least herself?  And surely, since the Others don't seem to be maintaining the Dharma experiments, hasn't Dharma's real world analogue become suspicious of a likely termination of reports coming from the island?  Yet the supply drops have continued.  Where they come from, I agree, has been left completely open.

And perhaps I had been looking at the satellite feeds too narrowly, thinking they were the sole means by which Ben got info from the outside world.  In fact, we've seen several other avenues besides the Flame: the radio tower, the Looking Glass (low frequency ELF waves?), the sub, maybe Jacob, maybe other means yet to be seen.  When Ben took Juliet to The Flame, we did only see 'downloads', i.e. the newsfeeds of Flight 815's crash & the video of Juliet's sister playing with her child.  Which leaves the question open, what's the means (maybe several) of 'uploading' information back to the real world.

Regardless, there does not seem to be any indication that Ben had lost any of his prior access to seeking out/gathering information, transportation in & out, supplies, etc. until recently. Of course, John Locke's affinity for C4 has put a serious dent in things...
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: cbw420 on February 12, 2008, 05:32:02 PM
Joshzam's theory that the man on the boat is George Minkowski, if true, might help to explain why he was mysteriously unable to speak to Miles.  It's also a good point that the chances of Walt being the man are low, given that he's a little young to be playing double agent, helping both Locke & Ben. Admittedly he may have special powers, which would suggest he has a purity which would tend to put him above petty two-timing.

Also, if Michael/Walt were on the boat, logically there'd have been an interchange along the lines of "Hey Jack, you're a Flight 815 survivor? Why, we have Michael right here." Like Sam in Find 815, it'd be unlikely for the writers to have Michael held captive on the boat. What'd be the point? Better to have him roaming free and doing stuff.

As for only seeing one supply load, we could assume that there have been many other supply drops before the Losties arrived, as The Others did seem well supplied.  It must be at least years, not months, since the Purge, since Juliet has been here, what, 1-2 years at least herself?  And surely, since the Others don't seem to be maintaining the Dharma experiments, hasn't Dharma's real world analogue become suspicious of a likely termination of reports coming from the island?  Yet the supply drops have continued.  Where they come from, I agree, has been left completely open.

And perhaps I had been looking at the satellite feeds too narrowly, thinking they were the sole means by which Ben got info from the outside world.  In fact, we've seen several other avenues besides the Flame: the radio tower, the Looking Glass (low frequency ELF waves?), the sub, maybe Jacob, maybe other means yet to be seen.  When Ben took Juliet to The Flame, we did only see 'downloads', i.e. the newsfeeds of Flight 815's crash & the video of Juliet's sister playing with her child.  Which leaves the question open, what's the means (maybe several) of 'uploading' information back to the real world.

Regardless, there does not seem to be any indication that Ben had lost any of his prior access to seeking out/gathering information, transportation in & out, supplies, etc. until recently. Of course, John Locke's affinity for C4 has put a serious dent in things...

i absolutely love this post and i am absolutely FURIOUS i couldnt manage to get these words out myself

this is some good stuff
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Ladybug on February 12, 2008, 05:35:02 PM
Joshzam's theory that the man on the boat is George Minkowski, if true, might help to explain why he was mysteriously unable to speak to Miles.  It's also a good point that the chances of Walt being the man are low, given that he's a little young to be playing double agent, helping both Locke & Ben. Admittedly he may have special powers, which would suggest he has a purity which would tend to put him above petty two-timing.

Also, if Michael/Walt were on the boat, logically there'd have been an interchange along the lines of "Hey Jack, you're a Flight 815 survivor? Why, we have Michael right here." Like Sam in Find 815, it'd be unlikely for the writers to have Michael held captive on the boat. What'd be the point? Better to have him roaming free and doing stuff.

As for only seeing one supply load, we could assume that there have been many other supply drops before the Losties arrived, as The Others did seem well supplied.  It must be at least years, not months, since the Purge, since Juliet has been here, what, 1-2 years at least herself?  And surely, since the Others don't seem to be maintaining the Dharma experiments, hasn't Dharma's real world analogue become suspicious of a likely termination of reports coming from the island?  Yet the supply drops have continued.  Where they come from, I agree, has been left completely open.

And perhaps I had been looking at the satellite feeds too narrowly, thinking they were the sole means by which Ben got info from the outside world.  In fact, we've seen several other avenues besides the Flame: the radio tower, the Looking Glass (low frequency ELF waves?), the sub, maybe Jacob, maybe other means yet to be seen.  When Ben took Juliet to The Flame, we did only see 'downloads', i.e. the newsfeeds of Flight 815's crash & the video of Juliet's sister playing with her child.  Which leaves the question open, what's the means (maybe several) of 'uploading' information back to the real world.

Regardless, there does not seem to be any indication that Ben had lost any of his prior access to seeking out/gathering information, transportation in & out, supplies, etc. until recently. Of course, John Locke's affinity for C4 has put a serious dent in things...

i absolutely love this post and i am absolutely FURIOUS i couldnt manage to get these words out myself

this is some good stuff
i agree!  (doesn't happen often does it?)  this is an awesome post!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: cbw420 on February 12, 2008, 05:40:55 PM
Joshzam's theory that the man on the boat is George Minkowski, if true, might help to explain why he was mysteriously unable to speak to Miles.  It's also a good point that the chances of Walt being the man are low, given that he's a little young to be playing double agent, helping both Locke & Ben. Admittedly he may have special powers, which would suggest he has a purity which would tend to put him above petty two-timing.

Also, if Michael/Walt were on the boat, logically there'd have been an interchange along the lines of "Hey Jack, you're a Flight 815 survivor? Why, we have Michael right here." Like Sam in Find 815, it'd be unlikely for the writers to have Michael held captive on the boat. What'd be the point? Better to have him roaming free and doing stuff.

As for only seeing one supply load, we could assume that there have been many other supply drops before the Losties arrived, as The Others did seem well supplied.  It must be at least years, not months, since the Purge, since Juliet has been here, what, 1-2 years at least herself?  And surely, since the Others don't seem to be maintaining the Dharma experiments, hasn't Dharma's real world analogue become suspicious of a likely termination of reports coming from the island?  Yet the supply drops have continued.  Where they come from, I agree, has been left completely open.

And perhaps I had been looking at the satellite feeds too narrowly, thinking they were the sole means by which Ben got info from the outside world.  In fact, we've seen several other avenues besides the Flame: the radio tower, the Looking Glass (low frequency ELF waves?), the sub, maybe Jacob, maybe other means yet to be seen.  When Ben took Juliet to The Flame, we did only see 'downloads', i.e. the newsfeeds of Flight 815's crash & the video of Juliet's sister playing with her child.  Which leaves the question open, what's the means (maybe several) of 'uploading' information back to the real world.

Regardless, there does not seem to be any indication that Ben had lost any of his prior access to seeking out/gathering information, transportation in & out, supplies, etc. until recently. Of course, John Locke's affinity for C4 has put a serious dent in things...

i absolutely love this post and i am absolutely FURIOUS i couldnt manage to get these words out myself

this is some good stuff
i agree!  (doesn't happen often does it?)  this is an awesome post!

actually TWO TIMES, ONE DAY, TWO SEPERATE THREADS

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=6839.105
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Ladybug on February 12, 2008, 05:46:49 PM
dude.  what's the world coming to!  i must go find a thread to disagree with you on.....
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: joshzam on February 12, 2008, 07:43:14 PM
I wonder if the supply crates are being dropped on The Island the same way that the polar bear was dropped in Tunisia. The same way that Jacob's cabin was dropped from one end of a field to the other. The same way that Walt was dropped in front of Shannon in the rain. The same way Bunny 15 was dropped on the top shelf...
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 12, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
This may have been discussed elsewhere/previously ad nauseum, but upon rewatching the Orchid video, I noticed that the actor who plays Dr. Marvin Candle on Dharma TV warned everyone to not let the two #15 bunnies touch.  Possible matter/anti-matter explosion?

Maybe Dharma was trying to harness an innate power of the island, and if they succeeded, then sure, they may have used the technology to make supply drops appear.  As radio waves are matter in the form of energy, perhaps the technology also facilitates communication.  Tho I don't see the purpose, there were also decades-old broadcasts heard by Sam on Find 815, and I think by Hurley after Flight 815's crash when that first radio was still working.

But if Dharma failed to perfect the technology, then they wouldn't be risking cataclysm on a mere supply drop.  That doesn't mean that The Island couldn't continue using the power to project Walt to encourage John, Charlie to encourage Hurley, to relocate the cabin, etc.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: CurtYanko on February 12, 2008, 08:57:50 PM
I'm thinking that when Miles called and Minkowski 'couldn't come to the phone' that something was up. I'm thinking that Ben's man was at work taking over the boat perhaps. Naomi and her crew are gone so in theory the boat is minimally staffed at this point.

Just like Naomi's seemingly bizarre phone dialog before this was another one like it but this time Miles wasn't speaking in code (Don't talk about your sister!) Seemed more like the person on the other end was under duress this time.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: pauinha6 on February 12, 2008, 09:08:05 PM
 agreed Curt! something was NOT right when Minkowsky couldn't come to the phone.....

Regina, minkowsky or whoever-is-Ben's-man-on-the-boat was... kinda busy..... :D
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: joshzam on February 12, 2008, 09:20:37 PM
When the cats are away, the mice will play.

Regina and George Minkowski are in the middle of a torrid sexual encounter when Miles calls. That's why he can't come to the phone. And that's why she is in such a rush to hang up  ;)
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: laklost on February 12, 2008, 10:05:26 PM
When the cats are away, the mice will play.

Regina and George Minkowski are in the middle of a torrid sexual encounter when Miles calls. Thanks why he can't come to the phone. And that's why she is in such a rush to hang up  ;)

They're the only one within 100 miles then... :P
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 12, 2008, 11:01:32 PM
When the cats are away, the mice will play.

Regina and George Minkowski are in the middle of a torrid sexual encounter when Miles calls. Thanks why he can't come to the phone. And that's why she is in such a rush to hang up  ;)

THis is the most logical theory that I have heard in a long time.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: jugdish on February 12, 2008, 11:02:08 PM
When the cats are away, the mice will play.

Regina and George Minkowski are in the middle of a torrid sexual encounter when Miles calls. Thanks why he can't come to the phone. And that's why she is in such a rush to hang up  ;)

THis is the most logical theory that I have heard in a long time. ;D ;D
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: DaveDargo on February 14, 2008, 08:43:12 AM
Could Penny Widmore be the "man" on the boat?  Only Ben knew about the Looking Glass.  He was in contact with Bonnie and the other wifey and when Charlie switched the light off she just happened to be contacting them.  Penny gives info to Bonnie and friend and they tell Ben.

Of course this assumes that they switched the blocking off to be able to get the info from Penny so maybe she was in contact with the flame until the sky went purple/the flame blew up?  Obviously Penny didn't know what was happening on the island, after the sky went purple/flame blew up, so was trying to contact the Looking Glass to find out what the dealio was.

Of course Desmond could be part of this too, or not even know he is, in that if they do stumble across a lostie they're looking for Desmond (e.g. when Naomi landed on the island and when Penny made contact with Charlie in the looking glass.

Or maybe I should just get back to work!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: bubbles on February 14, 2008, 11:08:16 AM
Here is my theory on this, just to throw it out there.  I dont think it has been posted yet, but if it has, my apologies.

What if, as some have said, the "man" on the boat isn't a man but a woman?  Maybe it is Ben's girlfriend from the flashbacks?  Annie?  She is going to have to make it back into the story somehow, at least I assume she will.  And wouldn't it be just like Lost to throw us all off by saying "man"?  Not to mention throwing Charlotte off, in the event that she is once again able to communicate with her boat crew.

Just something that popped into my head...
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Ladybug on February 14, 2008, 11:21:03 AM
i think it's very possible it's a woman.  i think ben's use of the word "man" just meant he had SOMEONE on the boat.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: bubbles on February 14, 2008, 11:24:01 AM
i think it's very possible it's a woman.  i think ben's use of the word "man" just meant he had SOMEONE on the boat.

Agreed.  What do you think about it maybe being Annie?
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostfan777 on February 14, 2008, 12:22:31 PM
It COULD be a woman......or a man.....
It COULD be Annie.....or someone we haven't met yet.....or someone we already know....
Maybe Ben got all his info about Charlotte the same way he got everyone else's histories.....or maybe he knows Charlotte personally.....
Maybe Ben is...... :o lying  :o ......about having someone on the boat!

My point is, not enough data.  We haven't been told much about Ben yet and we'll know more.......when they decide to tell us!  Until then, we can only guess, but the good news is that if we keep guessing we're bound to be right about something!  ;D
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 14, 2008, 03:17:59 PM
When the cats are away, the mice will play.

Regina and George Minkowski are in the middle of a torrid sexual encounter when Miles calls. That's why he can't come to the phone. And that's why she is in such a rush to hang up  ;)
THIS WAS AWESOME!  Oh wait...not that.....THIS-

I wonder if the supply crates are being dropped on The Island the same way that the polar bear was dropped in Tunisia. The same way that Jacob's cabin was dropped from one end of a field to the other. The same way that Walt was dropped in front of Shannon in the rain. The same way Bunny 15 was dropped on the top shelf...
Seriously- I'm so on board with this.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 14, 2008, 03:25:30 PM
It COULD be a woman......or a man.....
It COULD be Annie.....or someone we haven't met yet.....or someone we already know....
Maybe Ben got all his info about Charlotte the same way he got everyone else's histories.....or maybe he knows Charlotte personally.....
Maybe Ben is...... :o lying  :o ......about having someone on the boat!

My point is, not enough data.  We haven't been told much about Ben yet and we'll know more.......when they decide to tell us!  Until then, we can only guess, but the good news is that if we keep guessing we're bound to be right about something!  ;D
Party pooper. :P
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: laklost on February 14, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
It COULD be a woman......or a man.....
It COULD be Annie.....or someone we haven't met yet.....or someone we already know....
Maybe Ben got all his info about Charlotte the same way he got everyone else's histories.....or maybe he knows Charlotte personally.....
Maybe Ben is...... :o lying  :o ......about having someone on the boat!

My point is, not enough data.  We haven't been told much about Ben yet and we'll know more.......when they decide to tell us!  Until then, we can only guess, but the good news is that if we keep guessing we're bound to be right about something!  ;D
Party pooper. :P

And if we keep guessing, our personal post counts will soar to the heavens!  :D
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: lostfan777 on February 14, 2008, 04:26:05 PM
It COULD be a woman......or a man.....
It COULD be Annie.....or someone we haven't met yet.....or someone we already know....
Maybe Ben got all his info about Charlotte the same way he got everyone else's histories.....or maybe he knows Charlotte personally.....
Maybe Ben is...... :o lying  :o ......about having someone on the boat!

My point is, not enough data.  We haven't been told much about Ben yet and we'll know more.......when they decide to tell us!  Until then, we can only guess, but the good news is that if we keep guessing we're bound to be right about something!  ;D
Party pooper. :P

And if we keep guessing, our personal post counts will soar to the heavens!  :D

Is there some sort of prize for building up our post counts?  I'm just waiting for the day I can get out of this horrible red shirt!  :(
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: laklost on February 14, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
It COULD be a woman......or a man.....
It COULD be Annie.....or someone we haven't met yet.....or someone we already know....
Maybe Ben got all his info about Charlotte the same way he got everyone else's histories.....or maybe he knows Charlotte personally.....
Maybe Ben is...... :o lying  :o ......about having someone on the boat!

My point is, not enough data.  We haven't been told much about Ben yet and we'll know more.......when they decide to tell us!  Until then, we can only guess, but the good news is that if we keep guessing we're bound to be right about something!  ;D
Party pooper. :P

And if we keep guessing, our personal post counts will soar to the heavens!  :D

Is there some sort of prize for building up our post counts?  I'm just waiting for the day I can get out of this horrible red shirt!  :(

The red shirt is 1,000 times better than the workman jumpsuit.  You've just got 190 to get to Survivor.  And apparently the Survivors wear anything they want to - a Hurley tie-dye, for instance.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 14, 2008, 04:50:36 PM
I don't think Annie's on the boat.  My guess is she took over Vicki's job on The Love Boat.
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: laklost on February 14, 2008, 04:52:02 PM
I don't think Annie's on the boat.  My guess is she took over Vicki's job on The Love Boat.

Hardee har har  ;D

I guess that means the Love Boat has sailed for Ben.  No wonder he's such a crankity crankmeister!
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: bubbles on February 14, 2008, 05:08:09 PM


I wonder if the supply crates are being dropped on The Island the same way that the polar bear was dropped in Tunisia. The same way that Jacob's cabin was dropped from one end of a field to the other. The same way that Walt was dropped in front of Shannon in the rain. The same way Bunny 15 was dropped on the top shelf...
Seriously- I'm so on board with this.
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I am on board with this too.  I am thinking that not only could they be from another part of the world, but maybe another time.  Like back in the 70's when Dharma was alive and well on the island. 
Title: Re: A Man on Their Boat
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 14, 2008, 05:23:07 PM

Hardee har har  ;D

I guess that means the Love Boat has sailed for Ben.  No wonder he's such a crankity crankmeister!

Ben could definitely use a massage.  I wonder if there's a message therapist amongst the Others?  Perhaps he/she only knows that voodoo Reiki treatment...
Title: Theory: Michael is Ben's man on the boat
Post by: JBRam on February 14, 2008, 11:25:13 PM
Ben has a man on the boat. I'm betting it's Michael. What do you think?
Title: Re: Theory: Michael is Ben's man on the boat
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 14, 2008, 11:26:17 PM
There is a huge thread in last weeks episode that has the same theory along with many other people as well.
Title: Ben's man on the boat.
Post by: Halsfire on February 25, 2008, 03:37:43 PM
This idea just smacked me upside the head: Ben has a man on the freighter. Who did he send out into the sea on a specific bearing and who's showing back up in the episode "Meet Kelvin Johnson (http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?board=237.0)? Michael.

It would make sence. Ben sends Michael out in the boat promising "You will find rescue", the bearing leads him to the freighter, he gets picked up and becomes part of the crew and somehow remains in contact with Ben. Seeing as how Ben doesn't have a very hard time using people for whatever he wants it's not too far fetched of a thing for him to pull off.

This isn't really a spoiler since it just a wild guess on my part. Could be someone entirely different.
Title: Re: Ben's man on the boat.
Post by: Asmodean on February 25, 2008, 03:48:22 PM
I like it, but how in the heck are they talking to each other?
Title: Re: Ben's man on the boat.
Post by: Jungle Otter on February 25, 2008, 04:03:41 PM
I like it, but how in the heck are they talking to each other?

Perhaps on a frequency that was not blocked by the Looking Glass station - they were able to communicate via walkie on the island so perhaps Michael has one - I kinda like the theory.....of course now that Ben has been captured, communication is broken....
Title: Re: Ben's man on the boat.
Post by: Lost Ed on February 25, 2008, 04:07:13 PM
I've been a Michael on the boat guy for awhile, but only because he shows up in the credits and I know he's returning to the show.  The only other way is FF or FB or the island sucks him back in and crashes on the shore like everyone else seems to do.