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Title: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: jib22 on May 05, 2010, 12:53:43 PM
Okay, I admit there are a lot of things to be confused about regarding Lost BUT Sayid's character mystifies me this season. It was my understanding he died and was resurrected (by whom I don't know) with a definite zombie turn toward the 'dark side' like Claire. Then he proceeds to follow Flock's every command, while acting completely strange towards the other Losties. Suddenly, he is on the sub and redeems himself by trying to save his friends and giving Jack the message he is the one who must get to Des. Didn't Dogen flat out say Sayid had the sickness within him and it was too late? What happened??
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: tonysee200x on May 05, 2010, 12:56:28 PM
It seems talking to Desmond we the catalyst that changed him.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: lostlady on May 05, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
I am not sure but he had that conversation with Desmond. Perhaps Desmond enlightened him on some facts or was able to get him out of his zombie like state somehow.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on May 05, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
It seems talking to Desmond we the catalyst that changed him.
Def Desmond's talk with him changed his attitude towards MIB and the entire situation.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: lostfan777 on May 05, 2010, 01:37:12 PM
Desmond's 'Jacob-like' confidence when he delivered that line to Sayid was a foretelling of the scene in this episode.  I don't see how they could turn it around at this point, but I think Desmond would be the best candidate, even over the newly faithful Jack.  Maybe they'll be a team.  Desmond's sacrifice will be to stay behind with Jack as his new Richard.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: jib22 on May 05, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
Desmond's 'Jacob-like' confidence when he delivered that line to Sayid was a foretelling of the scene in this episode. 

lostfan777, What "line" are you referring to? I need a memory jog!
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: Jungle Otter on May 05, 2010, 02:43:30 PM
Yeah, seeing Desmond somehow triggered something in Sayid (almost a reboot) then talking to Desmond put him back on track...as my wife said - "See I told you he wasn't evil"  :-\ uh, yeah he was  :P  :D he just changed sides...and turned toward the light  ;D
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: lostfan777 on May 05, 2010, 02:47:26 PM
Desmond's 'Jacob-like' confidence when he delivered that line to Sayid was a foretelling of the scene in this episode. 

lostfan777, What "line" are you referring to? I need a memory jog!

I can't quote the line, but he asked Sayid if the 'love' he lost would be happy knowing what he was doing to get her back.  He said that line confidently, knowing (I'm assuming) that there still some good left in Sayid.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2010, 03:10:57 PM
Everything about Sayid was different in this episode. It was as if he completely reverted back to himself again. Even his mannerisms and the way he spoke to the others sounded like "old" Sayid.  I thought I had imagined zombie Sayid. But yes, Desmond's comment about Isabella must have been what "woke" Sayid out of his zombie-state. Again the True Love theme comes to play. 
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: jib22 on May 05, 2010, 04:11:35 PM
Okay, I get that talking to Des turned things around with Sayid.  So now the question is if he was truly dead (and everyone who witnessed it testified that Sayid was, in fact, dead-dead) what force resurrected him? I thought everyone was on board with it being an evil entity, right? Thus his allegiance to Flock. So, for me, it was a bit too tidy and quick to reverse all that with a simple heart to heart with Des. But, I do love that it validates the belief that good can prevail over evil and free will lies within even zombies! The execution of that premise (in Sayid's case) just seemed a bit too rushed, convenient, and tied with a big white bow for Lost's usual high standards. 
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 04:15:43 PM
Everything about Sayid was different in this episode. It was as if he completely reverted back to himself again. Even his mannerisms and the way he spoke to the others sounded like "old" Sayid.  I thought I had imagined zombie Sayid. But yes, Desmond's comment about Isabella must have been what "woke" Sayid out of his zombie-state. Again the True Love theme comes to play. 

You mean about Nadia, no??

Okay, I get that talking to Des turned things around with Sayid.  So now the question is if he was truly dead (and everyone who witnessed it testified that Sayid was, in fact, dead-dead) what force resurrected him? I thought everyone was on board with it being an evil entity, right? Thus his allegiance to Flock. So, for me, it was a bit too tidy and quick to reverse all that with a simple heart to heart with Des. But, I do love that it validates the belief that good can prevail over evil and free will lies within even zombies! The execution of that premise (in Sayid's case) just seemed a bit too rushed, convenient, and tied with a big white bow for Lost's usual high standards. 

Keep in mind, we don't know the full extent of what was discussed between Sayid and Desmond. Maybe it wasn't just a simple heart to heart, but something more profound.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: CaseyMac on May 05, 2010, 04:19:55 PM
Sayid said he trusted Locke because he brought him back from the dead, so it looks like he did.

As for Sayid switching sides again, it's kind of like what Hurley told Sawyer. You can be brought back from the darkside, like Anakin.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 04:21:25 PM
Who the hell's Anakin
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 04:23:44 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 04:24:59 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: jib22 on May 05, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
 

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Keep in mind, we don't know the full extent of what was discussed between Sayid and Desmond. Maybe it wasn't just a simple heart to heart, but something more profound.

We'll see, let's hope so...
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 04:32:51 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: Maxor127 on May 05, 2010, 06:00:16 PM
The Endocrine System is where the ewoks live.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
The Endocrine System is where the ewoks live.

What the heck are ewoks?
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: CaseyMac on May 05, 2010, 06:41:37 PM
The Endocrine System is where the ewoks live.

LOL Win!
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: Optimus J on May 05, 2010, 07:14:11 PM
The Endocrine System is where the ewoks live.
Don't bull**** me. It's the Endocrine Moon, not System.
LULZ
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: lostandfree on May 06, 2010, 01:07:59 AM
anyway...

I'm so sad that Sayid is gone.  For about a minute and a half we had a glimpse of Old Sayid, who was completely awesome in my opinion and I was so excited that he was back, and then Boom, no more Sayid.  I'm so sad about that.  I miss Sayid.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 06, 2010, 02:29:14 AM
Quote from: BobBX542 link=topic=10919.msg620450#msg620450 date=
Quote from: KoKoNut link=topic=10919.msg620390#msg620390 date=
Everything about Sayid was different in this episode. It was as if he completely reverted back to himself again. Even his mannerisms and the way he spoke to the others sounded like "old" Sayid.  I thought I had imagined zombie Sayid. But yes, Desmond's comment about Isabella must have been what "woke" Sayid out of his zombie-state. Again the True Love theme comes to play. 

You mean about Nadia, no??
Oh Jeezuzz. Yes Nadia. I'm getting people mixed up now. Thx Bob!
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: BobBX542 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: BobBX542 link=topic=10919.msg620450#msg620450 date=
Quote from: KoKoNut link=topic=10919.msg620390#msg620390 date=
Everything about Sayid was different in this episode. It was as if he completely reverted back to himself again. Even his mannerisms and the way he spoke to the others sounded like "old" Sayid.  I thought I had imagined zombie Sayid. But yes, Desmond's comment about Isabella must have been what "woke" Sayid out of his zombie-state. Again the True Love theme comes to play. 

You mean about Nadia, no??
Oh Jeezuzz. Yes Nadia. I'm getting people mixed up now. Thx Bob!

Sall Gud. If I'm not here to help with stuff like that, then what else am I here for??
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: Kurtis on May 06, 2010, 11:03:29 AM
The Endocrine System is where the ewoks live.
Don't bull**** me. It's the Endocrine Moon, not System.
LULZ
The forest moon of Endocrine?
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: SQUIRT199 on May 06, 2010, 05:50:59 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,

Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: CaseyMac on May 06, 2010, 06:08:20 PM
Sawyer knows what star wars is. I think "Jabba" was one of his nicknames for Hurley. Seems the anakin reference might have been over his head, at least in the heat of the moment. I know I've had times where I've whipped out a star wars reference and someone replied, "what the hell are you talking about?"
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: jib22 on May 06, 2010, 06:19:50 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 06, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
I was a Star Wars geek!!! But old Star Wars, not the new ones.  I had all this collectible stuff. But I think my mom threw it all out.  :(
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 12:48:30 AM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.

Yeah we like Off Topic here. Need to relieve the stress of dealing with all the wrong people out there
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: lostfan777 on May 07, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
I was a Star Wars geek!!! But old Star Wars, not the new ones.  I had all this collectible stuff. But I think my mom threw it all out.  :(

Don't worry, you might find it all in her basement when you move back in!.......What?, I kid, I kid!
Sorry, that was too good of a straight line to let pass!  ;)
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 10:18:36 AM
I was a Star Wars geek!!! But old Star Wars, not the new ones.  I had all this collectible stuff. But I think my mom threw it all out.  :(

Don't worry, you might find it all in her basement when you move back in!.......What?, I kid, I kid!
Sorry, that was too good of a straight line to let pass!  ;)

Badump - CHHHHH. (That was drums)
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2010, 10:19:28 AM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.

Yeah we like Off Topic here. Need to relieve the stress of dealing with all the wrong people out there

Might as well get used to it, in about 16 days, it's not going to matter what we post anymore.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 07, 2010, 12:44:55 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.

Yeah we like Off Topic here. Need to relieve the stress of dealing with all the wrong people out there

Might as well get used to it, in about 16 days, it's not going to matter what we post anymore.

That is so painfully true.  Owch.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.

Yeah we like Off Topic here. Need to relieve the stress of dealing with all the wrong people out there

Might as well get used to it, in about 16 days, it's not going to matter what we post anymore.

That is so painfully true.  Owch.

That Makes me so sad. But I am sure I'll have to get on here and defend people's sanity even after the show ends. No shortage of people trying to Slander the best show ever with absurd theories.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 07, 2010, 12:50:04 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.

Yeah we like Off Topic here. Need to relieve the stress of dealing with all the wrong people out there

Might as well get used to it, in about 16 days, it's not going to matter what we post anymore.

That is so painfully true.  Owch.

That Makes me so sad. But I am sure I'll have to get on here and defend people's sanity even after the show ends. No shortage of people trying to Slander the best show ever with absurd theories.

Slander LOST? Who, praytell?!?!?!?!? I will whap them upside the head with a large mackeral!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 12:53:18 PM
Who the hell's Anakin

why must you taunt me??

You caught that, did ya? haha. I'm kiddin'

You better be, or I'll reach through the internet and pull out your endocrine system. LOL

HAHA. What an odd system to try an remove from me. Just hearing the phrasing of that made me laugh.

I don't know how to go about tracking people locations using IP adresses and such but I was about to try and learn real quick,  It always amazes me how anyone over the age 5, and not female, has no idea what star wars is,



I think these posters know exactly what "Star Wars" is. I think they are just carrying on some sort of "personal inside conversation". Completely off topic I might add, but whatever.

Yeah we like Off Topic here. Need to relieve the stress of dealing with all the wrong people out there

Might as well get used to it, in about 16 days, it's not going to matter what we post anymore.

That is so painfully true.  Owch.

That Makes me so sad. But I am sure I'll have to get on here and defend people's sanity even after the show ends. No shortage of people trying to Slander the best show ever with absurd theories.

Slander LOST? Who, praytell?!?!?!?!? I will whap them upside the head with a large mackeral!!!!!!!

Well I guess its not TRUE slander, but I meant the people that go to sites to try to recruit people into backing crazy ideas that, if true, would pull LOST from the rafters of TV Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 07, 2010, 01:05:23 PM
We. Shall. Not. Let. This. Happen.   You with me IAJ???? 
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 01:25:35 PM
Oh I definately won't let that happen
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: lostfan777 on May 07, 2010, 02:17:49 PM
I'm on board with ya!  We're on a mission to save sanity itself!   :o   ;D
Title: Re: Confusion about Sayid
Post by: KoKoNut on May 07, 2010, 02:44:02 PM
YAY!!!!!  I'm not sure I'm a good candidate for saving sanity...seeing as I'm kind of insane myself. But I'm of the harmless variety.