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Title: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: Folly529 on May 04, 2010, 11:14:18 PM
I'm sad that they are gone and disappointed that they didn't get a better, more full ending.

I had a bad feeling when they spent time on the sweet ring exchange, daughter update, I'll never leave you bit.

So why, oh why, did Sun not even consider sending Jin to their daughter instead of a pointless death together?
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: CastawayCayley on May 04, 2010, 11:18:38 PM
I spent that scene thinking, "oh great. Now we get get the reverse version of Sun leaving Jin on the freighter." And then... they didn't do that. They surprised me.

So maybe because it was too obvious? I'm just trying to think like a writer.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: jinfan on May 04, 2010, 11:25:19 PM
cant....stop...sobbing
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: jodeci on May 04, 2010, 11:44:41 PM
i didn't like it.  they deserved a better ending.
so does this mean they aren't going to make it in the other timeline too?
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: trodge on May 04, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
You knew a few weeks ago that they were going to die and soon.  Keamey told Jin some people just aren't meant to be together, as soon as he said that I thought and heeeere we go.

Thought she was going to die, always thought Jin was one of the candidates.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: jugdish on May 05, 2010, 12:05:59 AM
i didn't like it.  they deserved a better ending.
so does this mean they aren't going to make it in the other timeline too?

THey showed Jin alive at the end of the episode in the other time line. Looks like one does not affect the other.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: tonysee200x on May 05, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
They were doomed last week the moment Jin said "We will never be apart again"
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 12:25:57 AM
Just posted on ew.com by cuse and lindelof

Why was it so important for Lost to prove that it can be downright homicidal during its last season? To establish once and for all that the Locke-ness Monster is the true villain of season 6 and quite possibly all of Lost. “There is no ambiguity,” says Cuse. “He is evil and he has to be stopped

This is the greatest news I have heard this evening. Thank you so much for this reference Jug. Awesome find.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: PMMJ on May 05, 2010, 01:37:46 AM
THey showed Jin alive at the end of the episode in the other time line. Looks like one does not affect the other.

And he was bringing flowers to the hospital, which makes me think Sun survived also.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: lostandfree on May 05, 2010, 02:22:05 AM
Their poor daughter is an orphan now.  That is so sad.  :(
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: RM on May 05, 2010, 02:45:04 AM
Yeah, but . . .

they're all going to die (except Jack) in this original timeline, ain't they?

It just didn't happen to all of them at once.

What this proved to me, though, was that it was JIN who was the actual candidate and not Sun.

The candidates can't kill themselves except to sacrifice themselves for the ultimate candidate -- once Sayid said, "it's going to be you, Jack" then he could take the bomb and kill himself in the process.  Once Jin told Jack to go, he could sacrifice his own life to save Jack (even though it also meant dying along with Sun).  Sun was only sacrificing herself for Jin, not Jack.  So, for me, she wasn't the ultimate candidate; it was Jin.

Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: lamporium on May 05, 2010, 03:16:59 AM
Their poor daughter is an orphan now.  That is so sad.  :(

Exactly what I thought. I was thinking he would leave Sun, so his daughter would not become an orphan and still have one of them. Makes me think it was a little selfish of Jin, choosing to die with Sun, rather than living without her and actually raise their child. I know it's a bit callous, seeing as they just died on the show, and I actually do like them as a couple on the show, but seriously, am I alone on this?
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: norville on May 05, 2010, 04:07:35 AM
Makes me think it was a little selfish of Jin, choosing to die with Sun, rather than living without her and actually raise their child.

I don't know, I thought it was fine.  Jin had just finished a conversation with Sun verifying that their daughter was safe in the care of her grandmother, so that could have been a factor in his decision. Plus, escaping the sub without Sun... well, let's just say some of us aren't holding out too much hope for anybody to get off this island alive.  I don't think Jin was under any illusion that a safe return home to be with his daughter was a likely outcome, even if he made it off the sub.  So I'd say he made a noble and good decision to stay with his wife and comfort her in her final minutes, rather than abandoning her to a lonely demise.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: opgelost on May 05, 2010, 06:28:20 AM
Just posted on ew.com by cuse and lindelof

Why was it so important for Lost to prove that it can be downright homicidal during its last season? To establish once and for all that the Locke-ness Monster is the true villain of season 6 and quite possibly all of Lost. “There is no ambiguity,” says Cuse. “He is evil and he has to be stopped

If the show did not end this discussion, then these quotes do.

I don't like that at all and I really don't believe that Cuse and Lindelof will just tell us who the bad guy is, 2 episodes from the end, while they are doing everything to try to hide the end. Filming on secret locations, filming the end in the middle, forbiding the actors to tell anything, giving only scripts to the ones involved etc.
You believe they are just giving away that MIB is evil and will be killed? Than what is left to discuss? How MIB is going to die? How the timelines will connect?
I still believe that  MIB will be the hero, even if today he was really totally bad. Loved it.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: CastawayCayley on May 05, 2010, 07:58:01 AM
Their poor daughter is an orphan now.  That is so sad.  :(

Maybe Kate can go steal her and raise her as her own. ;)
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 05, 2010, 08:06:24 AM
THey showed Jin alive at the end of the episode in the other time line. Looks like one does not affect the other.

And he was bringing flowers to the hospital, which makes me think Sun survived also.

Don't forget, that scene takes place 3 years in the past and in an alternate universe. It's the editing that is throwing you off, like 2 episodes ago Mib thowing Des in a hole and then Des running down Locke.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: Folly529 on May 05, 2010, 09:18:49 AM
Their poor daughter is an orphan now.  That is so sad.  :(

Maybe Kate can go steal her and raise her as her own. ;)

 :D  perfect!
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on May 05, 2010, 10:15:11 AM
Their poor daughter is an orphan now.  That is so sad.  :(

Maybe Kate can go steal her and raise her as her own. ;)

 :D  perfect!
yup sounds like the perfect job for her
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: WhatThe on May 05, 2010, 10:18:37 AM
Makes me think it was a little selfish of Jin, choosing to die with Sun, rather than living without her and actually raise their child.

I don't know, I thought it was fine.  Jin had just finished a conversation with Sun verifying that their daughter was safe in the care of her grandmother, so that could have been a factor in his decision. Plus, escaping the sub without Sun... well, let's just say some of us aren't holding out too much hope for anybody to get off this island alive.  I don't think Jin was under any illusion that a safe return home to be with his daughter was a likely outcome, even if he made it off the sub.  So I'd say he made a noble and good decision to stay with his wife and comfort her in her final minutes, rather than abandoning her to a lonely demise.

My thoughts exactly. Not to mention, their daughter has never met or even seen Jin, so it's not as if she's gonna miss him. As well as Jin is supposed to have died in the plane crash according to the Oceanic Six's story. Kinda hard to have ol' dad showing up when there's a grave at the local cemetery with his name on it lol. Now, add onto that the possibility that Sun and Jin's daughter might resent the fact that mom went to find dad, but dad came back alone without mom. "Where's mommy?...And who are you??"  
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 10:53:39 AM
Look, I liked the Kwons as much as the next person, and perhaps I liked Sun a little too much, who knows, but I think we're all happy that this story is over. I mean it was predictable anyway. As soon as we saw them get back together, we all knew they were going to die. Their exit may not have been as glorious as some of the other characters on the show, but at least it's done.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: lostfan777 on May 05, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
Yeah, but . . .

they're all going to die (except Jack) in this original timeline, ain't they?

It just didn't happen to all of them at once.

What this proved to me, though, was that it was JIN who was the actual candidate and not Sun.

The candidates can't kill themselves except to sacrifice themselves for the ultimate candidate -- once Sayid said, "it's going to be you, Jack" then he could take the bomb and kill himself in the process.  Once Jin told Jack to go, he could sacrifice his own life to save Jack (even though it also meant dying along with Sun).  Sun was only sacrificing herself for Jin, not Jack.  So, for me, she wasn't the ultimate candidate; it was Jin.



Possible, but that's not how I took the episode.  I think that the bomb would not have gone off if sawyer hadn't pulled the wires because Flocke put it there and he CAN'T kill the candidates.  His plan was for one of them to panic and try to dismantle the bomb, thereby doing the killing for him.  Sawyer fell for it and caused the resulting deaths.  Sawyer himself did not die, which also follows the idea that they can't kill themselves.  Sayid didn't kill himself by taking the bomb, he was marked for death as soon as Sawyer decided to pull the wires.  By taking the bomb out of the room, he accepted that he was about to die anyway and was just trying to save the others.
Sooooo, I still don't know if the candidate was Sun or Jin, but it hardly matters now.  There's still their daughter, though......who knows?
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: lostlady on May 05, 2010, 12:25:32 PM
At this point I guess it doesn't matter anymore who the candidate was....   :(
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: lostfromthestart on May 05, 2010, 12:26:25 PM
Bottomline - I appreciated the sad sentiment and love and sacrifice it presented, but in the end I expect them to both be alive in the final resolution of the timelines.  Couldn't cry, as my hunch is both live.  Instead, I appreciated a loving ending given to them in this timeline.

But then I'm a "never-ending love, forever faithful and no divorce" kind of guy.  Dying together seems right, in a way.
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 04:20:01 PM
Ooooh, I just realized something, Jin and SUn are NOT the Adam and Eve skeletons. LOL
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 04:20:51 PM
Yeah not unless someone goes a-diving
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: lostlady on May 05, 2010, 04:43:21 PM
Ooooh, I just realized something, Jin and SUn are NOT the Adam and Eve skeletons. LOL

Well, that makes the list a bit shorter! Another mystery almost solved!
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Their poor daughter is an orphan now.  That is so sad.  :(

Exactly what I thought. I was thinking he would leave Sun, so his daughter would not become an orphan and still have one of them. Makes me think it was a little selfish of Jin, choosing to die with Sun, rather than living without her and actually raise their child. I know it's a bit callous, seeing as they just died on the show, and I actually do like them as a couple on the show, but seriously, am I alone on this?

No, you're not alone on this.  I fully expected one or the other of them to die, but not both.  I thought at least one of them had to go back to raise their daughter.  And because I'm practical (unlike romantic lostfromthestart, LOL) I was going "What a total waste!  Why do they both have to die?  SOMEbody has to go back to raise that kid and protect her from her evil grandpa Paik and make sure that she grows up knowing what a great mom she had!"  So yeah, I totally thought Sun would say "Jin, you have to go baaack .... for our daughter's sake."  But noooooo...  It seemed very un-Sun-like, to me...
Title: Re: Jin and Sun resolution
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 06:23:43 PM
Ooooh, I just realized something, Jin and Sun are NOT the Adam and Eve skeletons. LOL

AWESOME!  Put that baby to bed!   :D