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Title: Hurley
Post by: lostlady on February 03, 2010, 01:59:51 PM
What's up with Hurley? Jacob speaks to him and no one else can see Jacob. Not even Miles who talks to dead people. Jack can't save Sayid and suddenly Hurley is wearing a red shirt and leads them to the temple where as noted on other threads--red is a prominent color (people wearing red, reddish brown water, etc)  Is Hurley becoming the new leader and will be play a bigger role this season? he said so himself on the plane--"he's the luckiest man he knows..."
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Asmodean on February 03, 2010, 02:13:43 PM
He who wields the hot pocket shall save us all.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: grizn0 on February 03, 2010, 02:21:29 PM
Well Miles never saw dead people. He could only hear them after they died and if he was in close proximity to the body. Hurley just sees them anywhere and everywhere and he actually converses with them. This is why I think only Hurley being able to see Jacob makes perfect sense. And I really like the idea of Hurley taking on a bigger role this season.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: ontwoopie on February 03, 2010, 10:50:12 PM
Hugo sees Jacob.  No problem.  Miles gets a message from Juliette.  No problem.  What gets me is when Hugo is wispering in Sayid's ear about "it's ok to visit me", the camera pans over to Miles and he has a really strange expression.  Like something really freaky was just experienced. HE FELT SOMETHING AS HUGO WAS NEXT TO SAYID.  I did not see Hugo touch Sayid, but I have this funny feeling Hugo is more than special, wearing a big RED shirt.
Could Hurley represent the new "Jacob"?  He has never killed, has the ability to see both living and dead people (possibly the whispering ones, too), couldn't possibly tick off Smokey, has been the mediator in many situations and hero in others, Jacob came to him in time of need, and he is wearing a red shirt (something the producers like to point out).  The new temple leader wondered why the water was not clear when they were going to place Sayid in the pool - I bet if Hurley touches the water it would clear up, really fast.  MY THEORY - Jacob needs Sayid to help protect, but HUGO IS THE NEW JACOB, AND DOES NOT KNOW IT YET.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: CaseyMac on February 03, 2010, 11:43:15 PM
Hugo sees Jacob.  No problem.  Miles gets a message from Juliette.  No problem.  What gets me is when Hugo is wispering in Sayid's ear about "it's ok to visit me", the camera pans over to Miles and he has a really strange expression.  Like something really freaky was just experienced. HE FELT SOMETHING AS HUGO WAS NEXT TO SAYID. 

Obviously Miles was reacting to something. My theory was that he felt....nothing. If Sayid was really dead Miles would be able to pick up something, but if he was only "mostly" dead (see Princess Bride) then Miles wouldn't be able to get a reading.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Bostonlost on February 03, 2010, 11:48:59 PM
Hurley sees dead people as they relate to him....and I never counted Jacob into Hurley's "power" last night.

I always took Hurley's talking to dead people as an amusement...The people that he has seen dead, are people that have figured into his world.

Dave...Charlie...Libby...Ana....even Jacob. Hurley's "power" is always left up to interpretation. Is he really seeing this? Or is this in Hurley's head. Is it Hurley's subconscious talking to him in the forms of people that he can trust?

Miles has a true gift...So when Hurley was talking to a "dead" Sayid...Miles wasn't seeing Sayid as dead.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: CaseyMac on February 03, 2010, 11:56:18 PM
Hurley sees dead people as they relate to him....and I never counted Jacob into Hurley's "power" last night.

I always took Hurley's talking to dead people as an amusement...The people that he has seen dead, are people that have figured into his world.

Dave...Charlie...Libby...Ana....even Jacob. Hurley's "power" is always left up to interpretation. Is he really seeing this? Or is this in Hurley's head. Is it Hurley's subconscious talking to him in the forms of people that he can trust?

Miles has a true gift...So when Hurley was talking to a "dead" Sayid...Miles wasn't seeing Sayid as dead.

Don't forget...

Jacob: "Hurley, you're just going to have to take my word on this. You are definitely not crazy."

I wouldn't put Hurley's power in quotes anymore. He can definitely talk to dead people, just in a different way than Miles.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Bostonlost on February 03, 2010, 11:59:04 PM
Hurley sees dead people as they relate to him....and I never counted Jacob into Hurley's "power" last night.

I always took Hurley's talking to dead people as an amusement...The people that he has seen dead, are people that have figured into his world.

Dave...Charlie...Libby...Ana....even Jacob. Hurley's "power" is always left up to interpretation. Is he really seeing this? Or is this in Hurley's head. Is it Hurley's subconscious talking to him in the forms of people that he can trust?

Miles has a true gift...So when Hurley was talking to a "dead" Sayid...Miles wasn't seeing Sayid as dead.

Don't forget...

Jacob: "Hurley, you're just going to have to take my word on this. You are definitely not crazy."

I wouldn't put Hurley's power in quotes anymore. He can definitely talk to dead people, just in a different way than Miles.

I would agree with you....To a point

Jacob, I am assuming might be able to talk to most people. And again it does help that it is still characters in is own world.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: CaseyMac on February 04, 2010, 12:13:20 AM
Hurley sees dead people as they relate to him....and I never counted Jacob into Hurley's "power" last night.

I always took Hurley's talking to dead people as an amusement...The people that he has seen dead, are people that have figured into his world.

Dave...Charlie...Libby...Ana....even Jacob. Hurley's "power" is always left up to interpretation. Is he really seeing this? Or is this in Hurley's head. Is it Hurley's subconscious talking to him in the forms of people that he can trust?

Miles has a true gift...So when Hurley was talking to a "dead" Sayid...Miles wasn't seeing Sayid as dead.

Don't forget...

Jacob: "Hurley, you're just going to have to take my word on this. You are definitely not crazy."

I wouldn't put Hurley's power in quotes anymore. He can definitely talk to dead people, just in a different way than Miles.

I would agree with you....To a point

Jacob, I am assuming might be able to talk to most people. And again it does help that it is still characters in is own world.

True. Now that Jacob is dead though, his options for communication might be limited to Hurley. (The body is burned so Miles can't help) You are right that Hurley has only talked to dead people he knew in the past. He's not like the 6th Sense kid with random dead people bugging him all day.

I think it's pretty clear it's not just his subconscious though or else Hurley couldn't have known about the hole in the wall that Jin took them to.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Holland34 on February 04, 2010, 01:59:16 AM
Hugo sees Jacob.  No problem.  Miles gets a message from Juliette.  No problem.  What gets me is when Hugo is wispering in Sayid's ear about "it's ok to visit me", the camera pans over to Miles and he has a really strange expression.  Like something really freaky was just experienced. HE FELT SOMETHING AS HUGO WAS NEXT TO SAYID. 

Obviously Miles was reacting to something. My theory was that he felt....nothing. If Sayid was really dead Miles would be able to pick up something, but if he was only "mostly" dead (see Princess Bride) then Miles wouldn't be able to get a reading.
THAT'S what it was.  While everyone was arguing and about to fight over Jack not wanting to go talk to the Others in private, Miracle Max came in and save Sayid!  We blinked and we missed him.

One actual thought I had on Miles reaction (or lack of reaction) is he could have just been reacting to Hurley's comment.  Remember when they were riding in the van and Hurley told Miles that he talks to dead people, too... when Hurley told him that he sees them and has conversations, Miles tells him, "That's not how it works" as if he clearly doesn't believe him.  Part of me wondered if he was reacting because he didn't get anything from Sayid's body, but the other part thought he was just reacting to Hurley's comment to Sayid's apparently dead body.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Bostonlost on February 04, 2010, 02:07:19 AM
Hugo sees Jacob.  No problem.  Miles gets a message from Juliette.  No problem.  What gets me is when Hugo is wispering in Sayid's ear about "it's ok to visit me", the camera pans over to Miles and he has a really strange expression.  Like something really freaky was just experienced. HE FELT SOMETHING AS HUGO WAS NEXT TO SAYID. 

Obviously Miles was reacting to something. My theory was that he felt....nothing. If Sayid was really dead Miles would be able to pick up something, but if he was only "mostly" dead (see Princess Bride) then Miles wouldn't be able to get a reading.
THAT'S what it was.  While everyone was arguing and about to fight over Jack not wanting to go talk to the Others in private, Miracle Max came in and save Sayid!  We blinked and we missed him.

One actual thought I had on Miles reaction (or lack of reaction) is he could have just been reacting to Hurley's comment.  Remember when they were riding in the van and Hurley told Miles that he talks to dead people, too... when Hurley told him that he sees them and has conversations, Miles tells him, "That's not how it works" as if he clearly doesn't believe him.  Part of me wondered if he was reacting because he didn't get anything from Sayid's body, but the other part thought he was just reacting to Hurley's comment to Sayid's apparently dead body.

I would say maybe both...but more so on the fact that he wasn't getting a Sayid is dead vibe. That's how I read the reaction
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: grizn0 on February 04, 2010, 08:37:56 AM
Wait a minute... are you guys saying you think it was Hurley that brought Sayid back to life? Interesting...
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: on the island on February 04, 2010, 09:20:55 AM
I think Jacob can choose to reveal himself to whoever he wants.  Christian was seen by Jack, Claire and Locke.  This could have just been Jacob's way of convinving Hurley to take charge.  By saying to Hurley that he is the only one who can see him it forces Hurley to step up.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: vickilynn on February 04, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
I think Miles made that funny look when Hurley told Sayid he would be around if he wanted to visit him (the dead Sayid that only Hurley can see) because Miles was getting the vibe that Sayid was NOT "dead." I think only the old Sayid is dead, he has been reborn an "other." (A special Other, like Ben.)

Hurley wearing a red shirt must mean something since the temple and the temple people were marked by the color red.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BobBX542 on February 04, 2010, 04:21:12 PM
I think that the color of the shirt has a little more to do with his mortality than anything. Anyone remember Star Trek?? Red shirts never last that long. Now that I think about it, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Hurley is going to die...in episode 11, "Everyone loves Hugo". My reasoning for this is simple. In the episode "Everyone hates Hugo" (where he was charged with giving out the food) I was confused why the episode was called that, because no one seemed to have any problem with him. I bet in episode 11, Hugo will be the target for some reason, and he will end up dying.

Now keep in mind that I am totally prepared to eat my words about this, but I just get this feeling.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on February 04, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
See, I think that Jacob is a lot smarter that the Man in black gives him credit for.  Jacob has had a counter to MIB's loophole all this time.  Part of that, I think, was that Jacob gave Hurley the ability to see dead people for exactly the reason we saw the other night.

Jacob knew that he may die.  His fail safe are our Losties.  I think they all play a part and we just saw Hurley's.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BobBX542 on February 04, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
See, I think that Jacob is a lot smarter that the Man in black gives him credit for.  Jacob has had a counter to MIB's loophole all this time.  Part of that, I think, was that Jacob gave Hurley the ability to see dead people for exactly the reason we saw the other night.

Jacob knew that he may die.  His fail safe are our Losties.  I think they all play a part and we just saw Hurley's.

Just saw Hurley's what??
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on February 04, 2010, 04:44:01 PM
See, I think that Jacob is a lot smarter that the Man in black gives him credit for.  Jacob has had a counter to MIB's loophole all this time.  Part of that, I think, was that Jacob gave Hurley the ability to see dead people for exactly the reason we saw the other night.

Jacob knew that he may die.  His fail safe are our Losties.  I think they all play a part and we just saw Hurley's.

Just saw Hurley's what??

His part in Jacob's fail safe.  I think that Jacob gave Hurley the ability to see dead people so that when he eventualy died, he would have Hurley to communicate with to help him come back to life or whatever.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BobBX542 on February 04, 2010, 04:45:19 PM
See, I think that Jacob is a lot smarter that the Man in black gives him credit for.  Jacob has had a counter to MIB's loophole all this time.  Part of that, I think, was that Jacob gave Hurley the ability to see dead people for exactly the reason we saw the other night.

Jacob knew that he may die.  His fail safe are our Losties.  I think they all play a part and we just saw Hurley's.

Just saw Hurley's what??

His part in Jacob's fail safe.  I think that Jacob gave Hurley the ability to see dead people so that when he eventualy died, he would have Hurley to communicate with to help him come back to life or whatever.

Ahhhh, got ya.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Novashannon on February 04, 2010, 04:56:52 PM
Hurley is a naif, and it is the innocent who are considered to be especially protected by God,god in many cultures and religions.  Don't forget that "island" Hurley  (Huroley Prime?)  still considers himself unlucky, as opposed to new flight Hurley, who is the  luckiest guy on earth.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: fulcigento on February 04, 2010, 05:28:15 PM
Hurley saw/spoke to dead people long before Jacob "touched" him.  Jacob only touched him a day before Hurley got on flight 316.  Before that hurley spoke with dead : Ana, Charlie, played chess with dead Mr. eko.  Had conversations with Dave who may or may not be Libby's DEAD husband.  Plus he saw whoever was in the Cabin before they left the island in season 4.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on February 04, 2010, 05:33:13 PM
Hurley saw/spoke to dead people long before Jacob "touched" him.  Jacob only touched him a day before Hurley got on flight 316.  Before that hurley spoke with dead : Ana, Charlie, played chess with dead Mr. eko.  Had conversations with Dave who may or may not be Libby's DEAD husband.  Plus he saw whoever was in the Cabin before they left the island in season 4.
I never said Jacob gave hurley that ability by toughing him...
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: tearms on February 04, 2010, 06:09:49 PM
what if Miles was looking disturbed because Sayid's spirit just wasn't there? Maybe when he came back, it was Jacob reincarnated in his body, just like his opposite was in Locke's body?
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: westy185 on February 05, 2010, 02:18:15 PM
To leave this timeline for a moment - what about Hurley in the new (to us) timeline where the plane doesn't crash?

Why is Hurley on that plane? What about the numbers?

Hurley won the lottery by using the numbers that originated on the island - without those numbers, he wouldn't have hit the lottery. Of course, we don't know why those numbers were the winning numbers (though presumably some strange forces were at work - they appeared again to him on his car's odometer), but it would still seem to be a monumental coincidence that it would be Hurley who would win the lottery with those or any other numbers in the new timeline, which should not be affected by the old timeline at all.

And without winning the lottery, Hurley wouldn't have been in Australia and on that flight. Hurley seems to be unique in that the island apparently stepped into his life (through the numbers) and changed it to the point that he found himself on the plane to LAX that would crash on the island (in old timeline). I don’t mean to say that the island intentionally did this – Hurley’s use of the numbers seems more accidental than intentional. However, his fellow mental patient wouldn’t know those numbers if he didn’t hear them in a distress signal in the old timeline – in the new timeline, the island’s underwater and there can be no distress signal. So why is Hurley a lottery winner and why is he on the plane?

I see too, that the last episode of Lost is entitled “Everybody Loves Hurley.” Is Hurley really what it’s all about? I keep going back to the episode of Hurley’s imaginary friend. Is this all going to be some figment of Hurley’s mental disorder – if so, the creators of the show better find an island more well hid than The Island to retreat to. (I know, I’ve read that years ago they swore this was not the case.)
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: MangoBingo on February 05, 2010, 02:41:59 PM
To leave this timeline for a moment - what about Hurley in the new (to us) timeline where the plane doesn't crash?

Why is Hurley on that plane? What about the numbers?

Hurley won the lottery by using the numbers that originated on the island - without those numbers, he wouldn't have hit the lottery. Of course, we don't know why those numbers were the winning numbers (though presumably some strange forces were at work - they appeared again to him on his car's odometer), but it would still seem to be a monumental coincidence that it would be Hurley who would win the lottery with those or any other numbers in the new timeline, which should not be affected by the old timeline at all.

It's possible that although the energy from Jughead's blast propelled Jack's group forward through time, it wasn't responsible for The Island submerging in the alt-reality. The Island in the alt-reality may have submerged at a much later date.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Optimus J on February 05, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
It's possible that although the energy from Jughead's blast propelled Jack's group forward through time, it wasn't responsible for The Island submerging in the alt-reality. The Island in the alt-reality may have submerged at a much later date.
The island submerged in a much later time. There is evidence to it, but to truly backup those, and do not make it look as just an opinion, I would have to use some minor spoilers. So, still in the the field of belief, but people can trust, the island couldn't have sunk right in 1977.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: CaseyMac on February 05, 2010, 07:37:18 PM
To leave this timeline for a moment - what about Hurley in the new (to us) timeline where the plane doesn't crash?

Why is Hurley on that plane? What about the numbers?

Hurley won the lottery by using the numbers that originated on the island - without those numbers, he wouldn't have hit the lottery. Of course, we don't know why those numbers were the winning numbers (though presumably some strange forces were at work - they appeared again to him on his car's odometer), but it would still seem to be a monumental coincidence that it would be Hurley who would win the lottery with those or any other numbers in the new timeline, which should not be affected by the old timeline at all.

And without winning the lottery, Hurley wouldn't have been in Australia and on that flight. Hurley seems to be unique in that the island apparently stepped into his life (through the numbers) and changed it to the point that he found himself on the plane to LAX that would crash on the island (in old timeline). I don’t mean to say that the island intentionally did this – Hurley’s use of the numbers seems more accidental than intentional. However, his fellow mental patient wouldn’t know those numbers if he didn’t hear them in a distress signal in the old timeline – in the new timeline, the island’s underwater and there can be no distress signal. So why is Hurley a lottery winner and why is he on the plane?



Remember how Hurley got the numbers in the first place. He got them from Crazy Lenny at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute. Crazy Lenny got it from Sam Toomey who heard it while he was a radio operator back in like WW2.

The "new" timeline didn't diverge from the original one until the Incident in 1977, so everything before 1977 would be the same.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: CaseyMac on February 05, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Actually, now that I think about it...

Hurley was in the SRMHI because of an accident he had where a deck collapsed and people died. He blamed himself because of his weight issues. If nothing bad happens to ATL Hurley (the self proclaimed luckiest guy in the world) , then he wouldn't have gone to the nut house and never heard the numbers and....crap now I've gone cross-eyed.

DAMN YOU MULTIPLE TIMELINES!!
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: jamesl on February 06, 2010, 12:03:12 AM
It's possible that although the energy from Jughead's blast propelled Jack's group forward through time, it wasn't responsible for The Island submerging in the alt-reality. The Island in the alt-reality may have submerged at a much later date.
The island submerged in a much later time. There is evidence to it, but to truly backup those, and do not make it look as just an opinion, I would have to use some minor spoilers. So, still in the the field of belief, but people can trust, the island couldn't have sunk right in 1977.

explain yourself
post a thread in the spoiler section
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: CaseyMac on February 06, 2010, 02:04:54 AM
To leave this timeline for a moment - what about Hurley in the new (to us) timeline where the plane doesn't crash?

Why is Hurley on that plane? What about the numbers?

Hurley won the lottery by using the numbers that originated on the island - without those numbers, he wouldn't have hit the lottery. Of course, we don't know why those numbers were the winning numbers (though presumably some strange forces were at work - they appeared again to him on his car's odometer), but it would still seem to be a monumental coincidence that it would be Hurley who would win the lottery with those or any other numbers in the new timeline, which should not be affected by the old timeline at all.

And without winning the lottery, Hurley wouldn't have been in Australia and on that flight. Hurley seems to be unique in that the island apparently stepped into his life (through the numbers) and changed it to the point that he found himself on the plane to LAX that would crash on the island (in old timeline). I don’t mean to say that the island intentionally did this – Hurley’s use of the numbers seems more accidental than intentional. However, his fellow mental patient wouldn’t know those numbers if he didn’t hear them in a distress signal in the old timeline – in the new timeline, the island’s underwater and there can be no distress signal. So why is Hurley a lottery winner and why is he on the plane?



Remember how Hurley got the numbers in the first place. He got them from Crazy Lenny at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute. Crazy Lenny got it from Sam Toomey who heard it while he was a radio operator back in like WW2.

The "new" timeline didn't diverge from the original one until the Incident in 1977, so everything before 1977 would be the same.

Nevermind. I guess it wasn't that long ago that Lenny got the numbers.

Totally forget the stupid misinformation I had above. lol
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: RM on February 06, 2010, 06:56:03 AM
I'm counting any apparition that tries to convince the O6 to come back to the Island as an incarnation of MIB.  So that's Charlie and Ana Lucia.  We never heard anything Mr. Eko said to Hurley, just that they played chess.  Dave was maybe always a figment of Hurley's imagination and never said anything about the Island that I can recall.  Hurley seeing Jacob is clearly Jacob since MIB is elsewhere on the Island as UnLocke at that very moment.

If people are saying there were two Christians (based on white shoes/black shoes?) then maybe only one of them was MIB and the other was the "real" Christian's ghost.  I count it as MIB when Christian appears to O6 Jack and tries to convince him to go back to the Island.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on February 06, 2010, 01:04:31 PM
i think its obvious why hurley has this power to see dead people. he's the only one that would believe what he is seeing. just think. all the others wouldn't believe, and probably end up trying to shoot the apparitions a few times, then just give up in disbelief. hurley will believe almost anything, which is why the Island uses these "ghosts" to appear to him, and why Jacob trusts hurley
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: vickilynn on February 06, 2010, 03:06:20 PM
Yeah, Hurley is the most "innocent" of all the Losties.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: westy185 on February 06, 2010, 06:18:28 PM
To leave this timeline for a moment - what about Hurley in the new (to us) timeline where the plane doesn't crash?

Why is Hurley on that plane? What about the numbers?

Hurley won the lottery by using the numbers that originated on the island - without those numbers, he wouldn't have hit the lottery. Of course, we don't know why those numbers were the winning numbers (though presumably some strange forces were at work - they appeared again to him on his car's odometer), but it would still seem to be a monumental coincidence that it would be Hurley who would win the lottery with those or any other numbers in the new timeline, which should not be affected by the old timeline at all.

And without winning the lottery, Hurley wouldn't have been in Australia and on that flight. Hurley seems to be unique in that the island apparently stepped into his life (through the numbers) and changed it to the point that he found himself on the plane to LAX that would crash on the island (in old timeline). I don’t mean to say that the island intentionally did this – Hurley’s use of the numbers seems more accidental than intentional. However, his fellow mental patient wouldn’t know those numbers if he didn’t hear them in a distress signal in the old timeline – in the new timeline, the island’s underwater and there can be no distress signal. So why is Hurley a lottery winner and why is he on the plane?



Remember how Hurley got the numbers in the first place. He got them from Crazy Lenny at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute. Crazy Lenny got it from Sam Toomey who heard it while he was a radio operator back in like WW2.

The "new" timeline didn't diverge from the original one until the Incident in 1977, so everything before 1977 would be the same.

Nevermind. I guess it wasn't that long ago that Lenny got the numbers.

Totally forget the stupid misinformation I had above. lol

Thanks, CaseyMac. I would have wasted quite a bit of time looking that up.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: westy185 on February 06, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Yeah, Hurley is the most "innocent" of all the Losties.

Wasn't it jarring to see him with that gun? I don't remember him ever drawing down on anyone or anything before - or even holding a gun for that matter.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: vickilynn on February 06, 2010, 06:26:31 PM
Yeah, Hurley is the most "innocent" of all the Losties.

Wasn't it jarring to see him with that gun? I don't remember him ever drawing down on anyone or anything before - or even holding a gun for that matter.
It was funny when he kept fumbling with it while yelling, "I've got a gun and I know how to use it!"
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: westy185 on February 06, 2010, 06:40:18 PM
Actually, now that I think about it...

Hurley was in the SRMHI because of an accident he had where a deck collapsed and people died. He blamed himself because of his weight issues. If nothing bad happens to ATL Hurley (the self proclaimed luckiest guy in the world) , then he wouldn't have gone to the nut house and never heard the numbers and....crap now I've gone cross-eyed.

DAMN YOU MULTIPLE TIMELINES!!

Thank you! (Hope your eyes have uncrossed.) I do like the multiple timelines, though. I've been a proponent of them for years now (has it really been years? sigh) but was proven wrong on at least one occasion. I always thought that the plane that went down in the ocean was real, that the island caused the plane to split into two different dimensions or timelines, one crashed on the island, one ran out out of fuel (because the plane was damaged in the incident and the pilots lost consciousness) and went down in the ocean. WRONG! Widmore staged the whole thing. But it is funny how the alt timelines have one plane crashing, one just flying over the island, hitting turbulence, perhaps disturbing things on the plane (Desmond's appearance, etc.).

However, I don't recall the whole rabbit experiment ever really being explained and I don't think we know why Pierre Chang uses different names in the orientation films. Has my theory of multiple Changs existing because of time travel ever been proven wrong? (I thought there were two Lockes, too, and there were, but for very different reasons.)
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on February 06, 2010, 07:03:40 PM
Yeah, Hurley is the most "innocent" of all the Losties.

Wasn't it jarring to see him with that gun? I don't remember him ever drawing down on anyone or anything before - or even holding a gun for that matter.
It was funny when he kept fumbling with it while yelling, "I've got a gun and I know how to use it!"
it just showed how innocent he was that he didn't even know how to cock the gun lol
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: jamesl on February 07, 2010, 05:09:55 AM
However, I don't recall the whole rabbit experiment ever really being explained and I don't think we know why Pierre Chang uses different names in the orientation films. Has my theory of multiple Changs existing because of time travel ever been proven wrong?

yeah, the rabbit was never really explained
I hope they do explain it
but I bet we never get an explanation about the different names
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: MangoBingo on February 07, 2010, 08:20:40 AM
However, I don't recall the whole rabbit experiment ever really being explained and I don't think we know why Pierre Chang uses different names in the orientation films. Has my theory of multiple Changs existing because of time travel ever been proven wrong? (I thought there were two Lockes, too, and there were, but for very different reasons.)

Miles existed as an adult and a baby within the same time-space.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: westy185 on February 07, 2010, 06:17:21 PM
Miles existed as an adult and a baby within the same time-space.

The reasons the bunnies couldn't touch had better not contradict with why there were no ramifications when Baby Miles and adult Miles existed for several months in the same time-space (Miles was in Dharma for 3 years, but baby was born at least two years after he arrived). Could it be as easy as he never had physical contact with himself as a baby?

Wooo. Now that I think about that - could pregnant women dying on the island be related to the biological fact that Miles could have fathered himself on the island? I'm not saying that happened, but it could be biologically possible. The union would be incestuous, of course, but babies are conceived between father and daughter quite often, unfortunately.

What if pregnancies were getting terminated after "the incident" to prevent a man from fathering himself - or somehow preventing a woman from giving birth to herself? But terminating every pregnancy would be science gone crazy, it would literally be overkill.

Which all comes down to that fact that the writers have a lot of loose ends to tie up. This part of time travel - bunnies, Miles, pregnancies - are similar to the seemingly endless ways that the dead, and sometimes the living, can appear to certain people out of nowhere and then disappear. Let's not forget Walt's appearances to Shannon, Boone's appearances to Locke, Libby's appearance to Michael, the whispers, Christian's many appearances, Smoky/Locke's appearances - they (and many others) seem to be by different means. I hope the writers tie things up well - what a job they have!
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: grizn0 on February 08, 2010, 08:37:33 AM
I seriously doubt Miles fathered himself lol.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Madam P on February 08, 2010, 10:56:13 AM
I see too, that the last episode of Lost is entitled “Everybody Loves Hurley.”

Is that really going to be the last episode -- are there only eleven episodes this season?  I know Sledgeweb has "Everybody Loves Hugo" listed last under Child Boards, but I wasn't sure if that was just because TPTB haven't released the episode titles for any later episodes.  I thought there were going to be more than eleven episodes?...  I know for sure that the finale episode airs May 23rd, so if there are only eleven episodes, then we are going to have several weeks in-between where we don't get an episode.

And weird that the next-to-last one (if it is) is called "Happily Ever After."  That one sounds more "last-episode," doesn't it?
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: grizn0 on February 08, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
I see too, that the last episode of Lost is entitled “Everybody Loves Hurley.”

Is that really going to be the last episode -- are there only eleven episodes this season?  I know Sledgeweb has "Everybody Loves Hugo" listed last under Child Boards, but I wasn't sure if that was just because TPTB haven't released the episode titles for any later episodes.  I thought there were going to be more than eleven episodes?...  I know for sure that the finale episode airs May 23rd, so if there are only eleven episodes, then we are going to have several weeks in-between where we don't get an episode.

And weird that the next-to-last one (if it is) is called "Happily Ever After."  That one sounds more "last-episode," doesn't it?
It shouldn't be the last episode. There are supposed to 18 this year if I remember correctly. I'd chalk it up to them not having released the last few episode titles yet.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Chuckie on February 08, 2010, 07:19:36 PM
I haven't read this entire thread yet, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating here. I'll go back and read the whole thing, and come edit my post accordingly.

The reason that Hurley could see/speak to Jacob and not Miles was revealed. Last season. I knew going into this season that Hurley would be doing some speaking for Jacob. In Some Like It Hoth we see Miles meet with that guy who wanted his "son to know I loved him." And Miles makes it clear that there has to be a body, he can't speak/communicate with someone who was cremated. What happened to Jacob? stabbed, and kicked into the fire. THAT, I think, is why Jacob appears to Hurley, and not talking to Miles.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BobBX542 on February 08, 2010, 07:34:22 PM
I think that if you want to get technical, about it, which I do love to do with like everything, Miles said that..."what he does is easier if there's a body", not that he absolutely needs a body to communicate. BUT, I dig what you're saying.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: lostandfree on February 08, 2010, 07:48:50 PM

What if pregnancies were getting terminated after "the incident" to prevent a man from fathering himself - or somehow preventing a woman from giving birth to herself?



Huh?  What!?  That's impossible.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BobBX542 on February 08, 2010, 07:53:13 PM

What if pregnancies were getting terminated after "the incident" to prevent a man from fathering himself - or somehow preventing a woman from giving birth to herself?



Huh?  What!?  That's impossible.

So is time travel. LOL
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: lostandfree on February 08, 2010, 09:24:10 PM

What if pregnancies were getting terminated after "the incident" to prevent a man from fathering himself - or somehow preventing a woman from giving birth to herself?



Huh?  What!?  That's impossible.

So is time travel. LOL


LOL!  Good point!   ::)
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BobBX542 on February 08, 2010, 10:46:44 PM

What if pregnancies were getting terminated after "the incident" to prevent a man from fathering himself - or somehow preventing a woman from giving birth to herself?



Huh?  What!?  That's impossible.

So is time travel. LOL


LOL!  Good point!   ::)

At least so far it is. **DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNNNNNN**
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: grizn0 on February 09, 2010, 09:16:54 AM
I think that if you want to get technical, about it, which I do love to do with like everything, Miles said that..."what he does is easier if there's a body", not that he absolutely needs a body to communicate. BUT, I dig what you're saying.
This is definitely accurate. As we saw him communicate with that lady's grandson (I think?) in his former room. There was no body there but he was still able to speak to him and ask him where the money was.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: LostinLock on February 09, 2010, 04:17:54 PM
so my chime on this is that Hurley is able to have conversations with the dead folks, play chess and Jacob chooses for Hurley to see him.  I think some folks have "talents' with the dead folks and some see, others hear them and so on.

Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on February 09, 2010, 05:03:09 PM
I think that maybe the difference in Miles' and Hurley's powers have to do with their exposure to the islands powers.  Let me explain.  I think that Jacob or the island or whatever is what gave Hurley his ability to see dead people.  I also think that giving Hurley this ability was not by chance.  It was so Jacob could communicate with someone if he were to die. 

Because the island gave Hurley this power it works exactly as it should.  He sees and hears dead people as if they we standing right in front of him.  Miles' power is different.  He only hears dead people and the circumstances seem to have to be right for him to do it.

I think that the reason for this is because Miles had a more raw exposure to the island's power.  Stay with me here.  Miles was on the island as a baby.  His father ran many many experiments with the electro magnetic powers of the island.  Perhaps these experiments had an affect on Miles father and somehow transferred to Miles.

Because Miles' exposure to this power is somewhat artificial the ability does not quite work as it should.

Now I know many people will say "then why don't other people who have done similar experiments have these abilities?"  That is a very good question, but I would say that it is because the islands powers only affect those that have a "connection" with the island.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: LostinLock on February 09, 2010, 08:06:03 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Holland34 on February 09, 2010, 08:08:03 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
You know, I thought about this earlier, but I couldn't remember if Dave was ever supposed to be real or not.  For some reason, I thought Dave was supposed to be a complete figment of his imagination, but I can't recall for sure.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: LostinLock on February 09, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
You know, I thought about this earlier, but I couldn't remember if Dave was ever supposed to be real or not.  For some reason, I thought Dave was supposed to be a complete figment of his imagination, but I can't recall for sure.

Well no one else saw him, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a ghost.  He found Hurley on the island.   I am just here to remind us that there are or could be other answers to things.  I may be wrong but I could be right either way we do not know for certain how Hurley obtained his ability.

What also could have happened is that Hurley really is seeing the dead people who are not smoke infused.  I like that smoke infused .....  ::) :P
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 09, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
You know, I thought about this earlier, but I couldn't remember if Dave was ever supposed to be real or not.  For some reason, I thought Dave was supposed to be a complete figment of his imagination, but I can't recall for sure.
And some people speculate that Hurley's imaginary/invisible Dave could be the same guy as Libby's husband Dave. Don't know if I believe that, but it might be a connection worth thinking about.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Holland34 on February 09, 2010, 08:59:26 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
You know, I thought about this earlier, but I couldn't remember if Dave was ever supposed to be real or not.  For some reason, I thought Dave was supposed to be a complete figment of his imagination, but I can't recall for sure.

Well no one else saw him, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a ghost.  He found Hurley on the island.   I am just here to remind us that there are or could be other answers to things.  I may be wrong but I could be right either way we do not know for certain how Hurley obtained his ability.

What also could have happened is that Hurley really is seeing the dead people who are not smoke infused.  I like that smoke infused .....  ::) :P

Definitely does not mean he wasn't a ghost... I just couldn't remember if it was addressed on that episode or not.  And I agree that we definitely don't know how Hurley got his powers... I wonder if that is something they will address later (which I could see them not doing if they really are done with the flashbacks.)

Mrs. A's comment also brings into question whether we'll see Dave again and get more explanation on him or not.  For some reason, I bet not.  But I'm just guessing.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on February 09, 2010, 09:09:02 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
I wrestled with this a lot myself.  I would say that if Dave is truly a ghost then Hurley got his ability from island long before coming to it.  Maybe it has something to do with the numbers.  Maybe once he used the numbers he had some kind of connection with the island.  What reason do I really have to think that?  None really.  It's just one of my thousands of crazy thoughts.  :) 
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Holland34 on February 09, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
BIL - I don't think Hurley got his ability from the island. I think his friend Dave, that he had at Santa Rosa may have truly been the first ghost Hurley saw and that was pre -island. 

Just my thought
I wrestled with this a lot myself.  I would say that if Dave is truly a ghost then Hurley got his ability from island long before coming to it.  Maybe it has something to do with the numbers.  Maybe once he used the numbers he had some kind of connection with the island.  What reason do I really have to think that?  None really.  It's just one of my thousands of crazy thoughts.  :) 
I like crazy thoughts!  I feel more comfortable around them... I wonder why that is.  ;)
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Cartermon on February 10, 2010, 06:18:43 PM
One of the interesting things to me is how Lost has used the color red to show key information before, not just the 'Star Trek red shirt' people.  With all of the Black and White, good vs evil visuals we have seen over the past five seasons on Lost, red is the other color we have seen possibly to signify a third option or higher power above Jacob vs MIB.  At the end of season one, Micheal wore a red shirt when the raft was launched and all of season 2 while he chased the Others looking for Walt and eventually helping to bring on the exchange of people on Jacob's list with Ben on the pier where he got to leave with Walt.  Hurley wearing red at the start of this season may signify a similar ability that he has to now be a leader or third party to the white vs black, Jacob vs MIB/Flocke........

I predict that Hurley will end up being the key person who brings it all together as Lost nears the end.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: Bostonlost on February 10, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
One of the interesting things to me is how Lost has used the color red to show key information before, not just the 'Star Trek red shirt' people.  With all of the Black and White, good vs evil visuals we have seen over the past five seasons on Lost, red is the other color we have seen possibly to signify a third option or higher power above Jacob vs MIB.  At the end of season one, Micheal wore a red shirt when the raft was launched and all of season 2 while he chased the Others looking for Walt and eventually helping to bring on the exchange of people on Jacob's list with Ben on the pier where he got to leave with Walt.  Hurley wearing red at the start of this season may signify a similar ability that he has to now be a leader or third party to the white vs black, Jacob vs MIB/Flocke........

I predict that Hurley will end up being the key person who brings it all together as Lost nears the end.

Hurley has been wearing that Red Shirt for two seasons now though
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: MangoBingo on February 13, 2010, 10:32:08 AM
Just came across this:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=33492171&postcount=6231

Originally, when Hurley looked inside Jacob's cabin, he was supposed to see himself sitting in the rocking chair. ABC rejected this as "too weird"!! Too weird for Lost! Damon said that's probably because they didn't want them to come back with something even weirder later on.
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: LostinLock on February 13, 2010, 10:39:51 AM
that was good and interesting ---- so it also explained a few things
MB you are the best of the best
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: MangoBingo on February 13, 2010, 10:51:13 AM
that was good and interesting ---- so it also explained a few things
MB you are the best of the best

The whole post I linked to is fascinating.

You're the best, too!  :-*
Title: Re: Hurley
Post by: LostinLock on February 13, 2010, 03:41:33 PM
that was good and interesting ---- so it also explained a few things
MB you are the best of the best

The whole post I linked to is fascinating.

You're the best, too!  :-*

Awe thanks, and yes I did read it I enjoy good information