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Episode 3x20 / Re: who is the little girl
« on: May 12, 2007, 02:19:37 PM »
I love the comparison of the "Annie" comic strip to Penny Widmore possibly.  The actress who plays Penny is a beautiful woman but she is a bit older than say, Kate or Claire obviously.  Not 100 percent convinced, but if names are so significant this does pose a possibility. 

Did it seem to anyone else that Annie may be Horace's and Olivia's daughter?-sorry if someone mentioned this elsewhere.  That is why Ben closed Horace's eyes after the purge.

Now here's a concept--What if Annie is Kate's mother?  Somehow she left the island before the purge and started a new life far away from anything DHARMA. She's blonde and about the right age I guess. I know it seems a stretch but if memory serves me, I believe the military officer Kate knew as her dad turned out not to be her biological dad, nor was the stepfather her mother married later and Kate blew up.  Or was he?  Did they ever clear that up?  I haven't thought too much about it but just throwing it out there.  Or could her dad be someone else in the "Lost" universe?

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Episode 3x20 / Re: Who is Jacob?
« on: May 12, 2007, 01:49:13 PM »
What if JACOB is an acronym for something?  I notice sometimes TBTB are so cagey about how they refer to JACOB and that may be why, because it is a DHARMA project perhaps?  Or a DHARMA experiment on the Island's inherent power(s) that went wrong?  I know Ben referred to him as an entity in the chair, but I don't trust Ben to be completely truthful about anything. Just a thought.

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Episode 3x20 / Re: The Others Are Mass Murderers
« on: May 11, 2007, 07:14:10 PM »
I think the Others knew all about the Swan and knew that someone had to keep pushing that button every 108 minutes so why not keep the guys who were already doing it untouched?  They would have their button pushers and the button pushers would be none the wiser that there even was a "purge".

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Episode 3x19 / Re: We’ve done this before.
« on: May 07, 2007, 09:46:45 PM »
JB-I hope you are right about Juliet.  She does seem to have an understanding or maybe feels more of a connection than the other "Others" with the Losties because she came willingly at first but now is in the same circumstance as they are, stuck there with no immediate means of getting back to where she really wants to be.  I think it again shows the duality of her character and that is what makes her so interesting.  I think it is fascinating that her plot line could go either way, "good" or "bad" and be totally believable whichever way it ends up.

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Episode 3x19 / Re: We’ve done this before.
« on: May 07, 2007, 11:37:14 AM »
The feeling I am getting from the collective mysterious statements about Ben's Others being the "good guys" is that they perceive anyone in their select group as on an entirely different moral plane from other human beings.  They have operated on that belief and anyone who is not "special" (I am still perplexed by their criteria) is almost subhuman and if in the course of furthering the Other's agenda some of the "inferiors" are killed, maimed or traumatized ir doesn't really matter.  Example--Charlie being hanged by Ethan.  He was flawed so his existence didn't matter one way or the other and there was no moral consequence to Ethan killing him or leaving him to die.  It is almost as if there is a big X on these so called inferiors and if you can use them for some purpose so be it, but they are completely expendable and not worth the moral bother of worrying about.  Kind of like lab rats. This also helps me to understand why killing Anthony Cooper is not only going to be excused (if Locke carries it out) but is actually encouraged because it furthers John's inward journey.

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Episode 3x19 / Re: Do you have to murder someone to be an Other...
« on: May 06, 2007, 10:17:27 PM »
I think Locke couldn't kill his father because he wasn't the one who "brought" him to the island.  Sawyer was.  So Sawyer had to be the one to clean up the mess.  Locke may not be consciously aware of why he couldn't do it, (or he may be aware but can't articulate it in front of Ben), but Ben set him up to fail in front of the gathered others.

Now, the question is...does Ben know that it wasn't Locke that brought Anthony Cooper to the island, but Sawyer?  I think so because Ben knew that Locke couldn't-wouldn't-shouldn't kill Cooper according to the islands esoteric mystical rules of conduct.  It had to be Sawyer.  And that strengthened Ben's authority by humiliating Locke.  But I don't think he knew Alpert would give Locke the file on Sawyer.   So that leads to another question.  Is Sawyer actually the one they were/are waiting for? I really don't think so, but it is a fascinating thought.

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Episode 3x19 / Re: We Should Tell her -- Tell Kate What??
« on: May 06, 2007, 09:58:16 PM »
Well, maybe Juliet feels a renewed optimism and a glimmer of hope for herself in helping the Losties.  In my heart of hearts I really hope she turns out to be a good guy and proves herself to be a benefit to our beloved Losties on the beach during the next episodes!  I just have my suspicions, especially after her words and actions during "Left Behind".  I think what really bugs me about her are the smug looks she gives the Losties when Jack defends her, that just pushes my buttons!!!

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Episode 3x19 / Re: We Should Tell her -- Tell Kate What??
« on: May 06, 2007, 09:39:43 PM »
 :) Thanks everyone. 

I don't want to sound like a Juliet hater.  I think she is a worthy protege of Ben and has learned well from him. Even if she hates him she has learned a lot from him. And that she is out for Juliet and Juliet only.  If other causes than her own are furthered, so be it, but she wants OFF that "island" (or whatever it eventually is proven to be).  I am also intrigued about the meaning of her name knowing that the names are so important in the story development, but that is for another thread.

I really wanted to like Juliet at first because she seemed like a sympathetic character, being nice to Jack and seeming to be the leader of the "anti-Ben" group.  However, subsequently through the next episodes and reading all of the "bad twin" theories got me thinking that she embodies in one person the duality of the theory.  She went from a rather shy, awkward, nerdy researcher to a kind of steely, taser-toting ninja gal who can flip Kate (no lightweight when it comes to protecting herself) without much problem at all, and who can inflict emotional pain with the best of them--I guess Ben had an apt pupil.   Her gift is her ability to find the right words to motivate people to further her own purposes.  And that is some gift.  So in many ways, I respect Juliet and would not underestimate her.

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Episode 3x19 / Re: We Should Tell her -- Tell Kate What??
« on: May 06, 2007, 07:06:59 PM »
First time poster so be gentle... :)

I think Juliet WAS using this as an "in your face" moment for Kate--she was using it to distract Kate from completing her argument to Jack by again proving that Jack is "with" her (Juliet) and not "with" Kate anymore.  She knows this will throw Kate off her game and hit her where it hurts the most. Why would Juliet want to disarm Kate by saying this?  Juliet is very sure Jack will say no, don't tell her, so that puts Kate at a disadvantage by now putting Jack in control of the conversation.  Kate was at that point driving the dialog, and demanding Jack explain, but after that comment, she was set up as the "outsider".

Juliet knows Jack is a fixer, and he may take what Kate is saying to heart and try to fix his standing with the group.  Juliet obviously wants to pre-empt Jack having any second thoughts about what the plan is they have hatched up together.  Juliet also knows that Jack has a weak spot for Kate, so by putting Kate on the defensive and making her feel second best again she wins two ways. 

In this scene, Juliet is afraid that Kate will say something convincing to Jack that will thwart whatever plan Juliet has in mind.  Jack thinks he is in on this plan, but I am not sure he knows the whole truth, whatever it is. 

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