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11.  If MIB/Smokey could manifest by using the form of dead bodies, why did he have to stop using his own MIB body and require the use of John Locke's?  Apparently he didn't use the actual body, because we saw Locke's "real" body buried in a grave while UnLocke was still running around looking like Locke.  So it can't be an issue of "well-the-body-was-in-really-bad-condition-after-a-thousand-years."

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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 29, 2010, 04:48:29 PM »
If the kids had stayed behind in the Temple, they would have been killed by MIB along with everyone else. MIB didn't care about anyone that followed along with him.

I agree that they would've been killed if they'd stayed behind.  But then why did he make the offer for anyone who wanted to, to come with him?  Why didn't he just leave them all in there and kill them all?  Why give them a chance?

I know you guys will laugh me off the face of the earth, and that's perfectly OK, but yeah, I can see him taking the kids on the boat with him to leave the island.  If they'd still been there with him, I can see it as a possibility.  Would he risk losing his one-chance-in-a-thousand-years-at-escape to go back and look for them to bring them with him?  No, I don't think so -- as you said, escape was his primary goal.  But if they'd been there with him, yes I think he might've taken them along.

Yeah I guess showing the world as we could see it crumbling away is not a good enough indicator as to what would happen if the light went out.

Nope!  Not for me!   :)  To me, it showed that the Island was collapsing, but I don't see where that means that the entire world as we know it would collapse also.  But your sarcasm is duly noted.   ;)


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Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 28, 2010, 06:46:37 PM »
For example, compare it to the very very end of Titanic, where the camera is panning through the ship and it's from Rose's point of view, and everybody is lining the row smiling and saluting her. In Lost when Jack walks in, everyone is hugging one another, not just focused on him.

Yeah, I thought of that;  that was one thing that I didn't like.  As I said, there's still some minor problems.   :)



Also, the whole baby Aaron thing can't be infanticide if they were all already dead.

Huh?  If who was dead?  (I was meaning infanticide on the part of the writers, for killing off a baby... if it was everyone's cross-over, then it must've been Aaron's, and it would've been really weird if a someone's "most important people needed to help him cross over" were all these people he only knew for three months or less as an infant, unless he actually died as an infant.  I mean, if he grew and lived a whole life, surely someone else in his life would've mattered more to him than Jack.)  I dunno -- it's confusing.  To say the least. 

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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 28, 2010, 06:35:35 PM »
It's actually quite sad that nobody cared for the 815 children that were with Cindy. They were children, for Christ's sake! Hero-Jack didn't give a s**t about them when he staged the coup planned by Sawyer, ditching them and leaving them to be bombed by Widmore. Flocke of all people was nicer to the kids then all our "beloved" losties. How can you not care if children live or die and still be the good guy?

OMG. Still? Jack was resposible from saving all humanity. Including the children. MiB was nice to the people that served him purpose. Please stop with this drivel about MiB being better than Jack. The Kids weren't on the beach that got bombed. They probably went rushing back into the forest to await a new leader. When Hurley stepped up he probably gave them a choice, but they probably chose to stay because their parents had been killed, and they were closer to Cindy than anyone else. They probably spawned a new batch of Others to help Hurley out.

I think Nomteticus has a good point -- I also thought it was really odd of Jack (well, all of them actually) to seemingly not care about the kids.  And it is a fact shown on the show that Flocke/MIB was nice to the kids.  I agree that MIB was very practical and focused on his purpose, but if people weren't getting in his way, he left them alone.  He left Rose and Bernard alone, and it seems like he was prepared to leave Cindy and the kids alone.  It would make sense that he had a soft spot for orphaned children.  He told them to stick with him because he was certain he was going to win, and he perhaps didn't want them in the other camp in case he had to "go Smokey" and would be unable to winnow out the innocents, like when he "cleansed the Temple."

And as we have debated before, I still think it's stretching it to say Jack saved all of humanity.  We still don't know what that darned light was, or what it would do. 

Your "probablys" are good thoughts.  I hope they're right -- Rose and Bernard could become adoptive grandparents then maybe.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: "The long con."
« on: May 28, 2010, 05:06:21 PM »
Please don't tell me this is yet another Lost-bashing thread sugesting that we've all been long-conned by TPTB!  If, so, the moderators should just merge it with the other ones that go nowhere.  Otherwise, if it refers to Sawyer telling Jack his plan to kill MIB was a long con, then what's there to discuss?  It was a pretty slim long-shot.

Yeah, that was one of my favorite lines from the episode. When you look at Jack's strategy, I wouldn't necessarily call it a "long con" but it's a phrase that Sawyer has used throughout the show so the line fit real well. Watching it the first time, I was pretty much thinking the same thing Sawyer was, Jack was taking one hell of a gamble. That suspense really added soooo much to the finale.

I posted sometime before the finale, that part of what makes it so suspensful was that, even after talking with Jacob, we had no idea how MIB could be beaten. I knew at some point in the finale, somebody was going to do the "I have an idea, and it's so crazy it just might work" type of line. We got it from Jack and it definitely hightened the suspense.

I thought it was pretty funny that all along everyone had been all "ooohhh, stay away from the light; don't go down there; it has to be protected" and then all of a sudden everyone is "OK, so let's go down to the Light!" and everyone is totally in favor of it!   ;D  Even Desmond!  "Okie-dokie, let's go!"  I swear I almost heard them singing "Heigh-Ho!" from Snow White as they went tripping down the path towards the Magic Spring...    :D

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 28, 2010, 05:02:06 PM »
I get what you are saying about "Jack's Moment", but I think we were shown the Hurley, Ben exchange to show that it was also their moment, and thus we can deduce it was everyone's moment. Also the interaction between Eloise and Desmond. Would have been no point in Desmond taking Daniel if the moment is just for Jack.

Well, yeah, the Hurley/Ben exchange outside the church door was "their" moment, but I was thinking that the second anyone walks through the door, it becomes their very own moment.  It might be different for each one of them.  (I mean, why would Christian open the door to The Great Beyond for Rose and Bernard, for example?  Or for Penny?  For Jack, yes, but the rest, not so much...)   That's why I was thinking we were only seeing Jack's.  And it could explain Baby Aaron, without infanticide.   :D

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Did Locke have to die?
« on: May 28, 2010, 04:53:33 PM »
There are 2 dead bodies of Locke on the island now
and 1 of Jacob's brother.
That's kind of funny... I hadn't thought about it in that way before.

And kind of weird.  I was wondering if "it" would be gone, or would look different when they walked over to the edge of the cliff and looked over, but nope.   Still just John Locke lying there kinda like he always looks when he falls from a tall height.   :-\

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anyway, i think this will be my last post here.. of course i may be wrong, but we'll see. i've just been frustrated at all the negativeness in this forum about the finale, i literally can't read anymore bad reviews by angry fans. i'll definitely check up to see the recaps, i love those :) and maybe i'll check in every once in a while... thanks sledge for all your hard work, and thanks to all the mods and admins and others who have kept this forum going all these years... you guys are all a great bunch of people!!!!

-with much LOST love
hurley rocks dudes-- also known as Jason :D

First off thank you! ( for anyone who doesn't know I write those and as soon as my brain gets unmelted by the finale I will have new ones up!)

But I did want to make one point. This forum is exactly designed to hash out what we ALL thought of the finale. It's not "Sledgeweb's Lost... Stuff for people who liked the finale ONLY" so I don't think it's fair for anyone to say (and I'm not singling you out, Jason, because a lot of people are saying it) like it or get out. It's almost as if people are taking others opinions too personally.

Person A: I loved it.
Person B: I hated it.
Persons A & B: OMG, what is wrong with you??

Can't we all just get along?*




(oh, yes I did!)  ;)

How'd you get to be so smart, Cayley?   ;) :D

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Positive thoughts on the finale
« on: May 28, 2010, 11:39:55 AM »
When Jack laid down to die in the Bamboo thicket and Vincent laid down next to him, so he wouldn't die alone.
While people have been predicting the end of Lost would be Jack closing his eye in the bamboo thicket, having Vincent there as he died was my favorite scene.
Sad.  :'(

Yeah... good doggie!  You can always count on the dog to be there for you when you need him most...

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Help need with the church scene
« on: May 28, 2010, 11:32:04 AM »
My theory on it (currently, anyway, LOL) is that the church scene we saw is Jack's moment... just Jack's.  Not anybody else's... although they were "there" to help him let go and cross over.  This was the split-second-point-in-eternity when all of Jack's life experiences came together, so that he could die and cross over.  Thus, all the people that were "there" were there because that was how they looked to him when they were most important to him (Christian said "your time on the island was the most important time in your life.")  Aaron was a baby at that most important on-island time, so that's how Jack "sees" him. 

I know this has some holes, but it's all I've got right now so I'm clinging to it like Michael and Sawyer clinging to the raft wreckage...  :)

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Screencap Requests?
« on: May 28, 2010, 11:15:31 AM »
Yes, indeed, thank you so much for all you did with the screencaps over the episodes, Eric.  Awesome job.  You often reminded me of stuff I had forgotten -- like that expression on Sayid's face when Hurley was showing him the dart gun.  Classic!   I had totally missed the "FATE" tattoo on Charlie's hand and also the shark over Claire at the museum, too ... nice!   And yes, I think the last part of Charlie's tattoo (the "misunderstanding" part) is new... I remember the top part, but not the bottom part.

The plane wreckage -- you can kinda see a light-blue stripe on one side of the plane, but I don't remember if that's Oceanic or Ajira.  It's a shame they didn't include something that could definitely ID it, but it almost has to be the original Oceanic wreckage, right?  I mean, they didn't drag a whole new plane out there onto the beach just to film those three stills that don't mean anything anyway (according to ABC, it was just an "empty set shot" to give them something to roll the credits over since there was no "next week on LOST"...)  It would be too expensive.

It's the Hurley-Bird!   :D  How cool is that?!?!

Oh, and who the heck were those skeletons at the bottom of the Light Cave??  Ahhhh... never mind.  Just another thing we don't need to know...   ;D

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 28, 2010, 10:53:55 AM »
I love this show so much, and I loved the finale but there are soooooo many unanswered questions.  College Humor says it all

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936273

I know that its by college humor but it has tons of things I didn't even remember

That was a really funny video.  Short but covers a lot!  I agree, I had forgotten some of that stuff.  Thanks for the link!


It might be useful to publish a book about the answers of Lost. You'd make a million!

Want to help me.  My writing abilities are not all the great.  Ill answer questions and your write them out.   We will make a million.

Don't do it!  Darlton will sue you like JK Rowling did that guy who wrote a Harry Potter encyclopedia, and you'll need a couple of Miles' diamonds to pay off your legal bills!   :D

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 28, 2010, 10:34:48 AM »

Miles has his diamonds to spend

I totally forgot about that!  Awesome!   ;D  Wonder if he'd share?  Chip in a little to help buy Ricardus a fake passport?  Fund Aaron's college?   :D


They could have hitched a ride with Desmond on the Elizabeth...

Forgot about the "Elizabeth" too!  Here I was wondering how Desmond was going to escape... Donkey Wheel or something?  *D'oh!*  His boat is sitting right there! 

Funny... they could all get back off the island the same way they got there...

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Episode 6x16 / Re: What was with the crash scene at the end?
« on: May 28, 2010, 10:29:01 AM »
Just an FYI: My local ABC news ran a story this morning saying TPTB say the end was nothing more than just wreckage from 815, no big deal at all.
This is true. It was added by abc and they had the waves crashing to make the whole scenerio pleasent. They thought this was needed after the emotional 2.5 hours show. Darlton had nothing to do with this being aired.

Yeah, I read something on DocArzt that said ABC announced that it was just an "empty set scenario" to allow viewers to decompress before they were thrown into the evening news.  I didn't know Darlton had nothing to do with it being aired, though.  That seems weird.  The very final thing of their series and they had nothing to do with it?  Strange.  I guess normally the "credits roll" is accompanied by either "next week on LOST" which obviously would be a no, or sometimes it's "coming up next on ABC"... so maybe the writers really don't have any input in that part.  I would think they should've had in this situation, though....

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Did Locke have to die?
« on: May 28, 2010, 10:18:54 AM »
Does everyone so quickly forget the Light? And what happens when it goes out? MiB may not have had the intention to obliterate all humanity, but it would have been a side effect of getting off the island.

I think that's a stretch.  We don't know that for sure because Darlton chose not to tell us about the "mythology" of the Island -- that was on a need-to-know basis and apparently they felt we didn't need to know it.  All we know is the nebulous dark "warning" that Crazy Mom passed on to Jacob, and it was pretty darned nebulous.  And as nomteticus noted above, what we definitely saw as the short-term result of putting out the light was the destruction of the Island and making Smokey mortal again, and I'm having a hard time seeing that as a precursor to the obliteration of all humanity.  (I suppose it could be -- maybe the island was just the first thing to go, and eventually all the continents would've caved in, I dunno.) 

As I've said elsewhere, I just wish they'd told us more about that mythology, so we would know whether the characters were right or wrong in their assumptions.  Doesn't matter as to what happened, I guess, because people act on their beliefs, and if they believed as you do about the light then they'd act accordingly... I just wish I knew, is all.  The eternal human condition, right?   :D

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