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Community Lounge / Re: LOST-Word Association Game
« on: June 06, 2010, 09:33:58 AM »
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Episode 6x16 / Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« on: June 05, 2010, 06:11:11 PM »
I got the impression they were just more of the same... more people who just accidentally stumbled upon the island. Army people out looking for another Bikini Atoll to do some testing on, and they found our island...
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Episode 6x16 / Re: David
« on: June 05, 2010, 06:08:44 PM »
The more I ponder this, the more I believe that thinking of the ALT-universe as a "dream" is actually a really good way to look at it. Much like a dream, there can be people there who don't really exist, or who are already dead. You can be with people that you have nothing to do with in real life. But the dream can still feel very, very real... to YOU. If you explain it to a person you're acquainted with who happened to be in your dream, they will just give you a blank look because it's meaningless to them, regardless of how much meaning it had for you. They didn't experience it. It wasn't real. So in a sense, this was almost like us getting a little peek inside Jack's "dream." (I do not mean to say that he literally only dreamed it, but that we can sort of think of it in that way.)
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Episode 6x16 / Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« on: June 03, 2010, 06:02:36 PM »
Quite the motivator, that Sawyer... 
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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: June 01, 2010, 03:01:08 PM »...he asked whose glass eye was it that was in the hatch the tailies discovered. I said it was Patchy's but was there a story behind how it got in there? Does anyone remember?
Good golly, I didn't even remember them finding a glass eye, much less whose it was or how it got there. Way to go, lostlady, NOW how am I going to go to sleep tonight?!?
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Episode 6x16 / Re: Questions?
« on: June 01, 2010, 02:57:37 PM »
I love this thread! It's pretty clear there are just two different personality types out there -- both avid fans of "Lost," both intelligent and observant, both able to clearly articulate ideas, and both on totally opposite sides of the "Chasm of The Great Unknown." LOL. We're like katbriil and her husband, except it's awesome that we can all still talk about stuff here, though!:
Love the analogy of "Lost" as a Lego set -- some people want to put it together like the picture on the box with no pieces left over, and some people want to make totally different stuff out of it. Neither is wrong -- just different. I happen to be like cookieshoes and My Sideways Self -- I prefer the picture on the box. So there's a valid argument to be made when the "instructions inside the box" (what we were ultimately given in canon) turns out to make something that doesn't really look like the picture on the box, even though there is also a completely valid argument that "Hey, but look how cool it looks anyway!" LOL.
I think what IAJ said here: The chamber was most likely created by the first protector. The GOD of the island if you will. That is probably why it was never answered. They did not want to put the onus singularly on one deity. is probably absolutely correct. TPTB had created something really cool here, but they were treading on thin ice. For a TV show, they almost couldn't go there. They went right up to the doorway, but it just wouldn't work for them to go through. They just had to leave it, and say "it doesn't matter anyway; go make up your own solution." That is their prerogative as writers, but there's no denying it makes the puzzle-solvers amongst us a little bit twitchy. And it's annoying to us when they try to brush it aside and re-direct our attention by trivializing some of the points brought up in interviews -- it really feels like the Wizard of Oz saying "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... look at the pretty special effects!" LOL. Oh well. I think cookieshoes had it right that TPTB just made a few promises they couldn't keep (which might be understandable given that they were "selling" a show and had to do all they could to keep everyone's interest high and keep people invested) and started a few things they couldn't possibly finish. They probably couldn't help that... and those of us that are the "puzzle-solvers" can't help but feel a little disappointed by it. Not that we "don't get it," but just that we're a little disappointed. At least, that's how I see it.
-I just want to KNOW. I liked the ending, but I wish they had told me more.
-It doesn't matter. You're missing the point.
-No, I get the point, but I still want to know.
-Shut up. I can't talk about this with you anymore.
Love the analogy of "Lost" as a Lego set -- some people want to put it together like the picture on the box with no pieces left over, and some people want to make totally different stuff out of it. Neither is wrong -- just different. I happen to be like cookieshoes and My Sideways Self -- I prefer the picture on the box. So there's a valid argument to be made when the "instructions inside the box" (what we were ultimately given in canon) turns out to make something that doesn't really look like the picture on the box, even though there is also a completely valid argument that "Hey, but look how cool it looks anyway!" LOL.
I think what IAJ said here: The chamber was most likely created by the first protector. The GOD of the island if you will. That is probably why it was never answered. They did not want to put the onus singularly on one deity. is probably absolutely correct. TPTB had created something really cool here, but they were treading on thin ice. For a TV show, they almost couldn't go there. They went right up to the doorway, but it just wouldn't work for them to go through. They just had to leave it, and say "it doesn't matter anyway; go make up your own solution." That is their prerogative as writers, but there's no denying it makes the puzzle-solvers amongst us a little bit twitchy. And it's annoying to us when they try to brush it aside and re-direct our attention by trivializing some of the points brought up in interviews -- it really feels like the Wizard of Oz saying "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... look at the pretty special effects!" LOL. Oh well. I think cookieshoes had it right that TPTB just made a few promises they couldn't keep (which might be understandable given that they were "selling" a show and had to do all they could to keep everyone's interest high and keep people invested) and started a few things they couldn't possibly finish. They probably couldn't help that... and those of us that are the "puzzle-solvers" can't help but feel a little disappointed by it. Not that we "don't get it," but just that we're a little disappointed. At least, that's how I see it.
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Episode 6x16 / Re: The Official "Pat yourself on the back" Thread
« on: June 01, 2010, 10:43:31 AM »Its only a bad percent if you tell us how many times you were wrong LOL
As many as there are grains of sand on The Island...
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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: June 01, 2010, 10:36:23 AM »
Darlton just said that to cover up for all the stuff they didn't address... "Nothing to see here, move along, move along..."
I'm just playing at this point -- those aren't truly "unanswered questions" but more like just odd little things I noticed.
I'm just playing at this point -- those aren't truly "unanswered questions" but more like just odd little things I noticed.
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Episode 6x16 / Re: The Official "Pat yourself on the back" Thread
« on: May 31, 2010, 04:48:51 PM »
Toldja Lapidus wasn't really dead from the submarine. Wooooo me! 
Also thought Juliet was David's mom, but then, so did pretty much everybody, so that one doesn't count for too much.
I did wonder out loud if Sayid was meaning Shannon instead of Nadia when he said that bit this season about "the love of my life that died in my arms," but I wouldn't say I was convinced of it.
I thought all along that Jacob was not going to be as "God-like good" as we were being led to believe, and that MIB was not going to be as "Satan-bad" as we were being led to believe, and I think that was proven pretty much true.
That's about it. Sad percentage for six years' worth of theories, isn't it?
Also thought Juliet was David's mom, but then, so did pretty much everybody, so that one doesn't count for too much.
I did wonder out loud if Sayid was meaning Shannon instead of Nadia when he said that bit this season about "the love of my life that died in my arms," but I wouldn't say I was convinced of it.
I thought all along that Jacob was not going to be as "God-like good" as we were being led to believe, and that MIB was not going to be as "Satan-bad" as we were being led to believe, and I think that was proven pretty much true.
That's about it. Sad percentage for six years' worth of theories, isn't it?
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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 31, 2010, 04:38:21 PM »He basically said to Ben, "Look you buggy-eyed punk. I just changed the deal, you better hope I don't change it again , or I'll toss you like your guy-liner buddy."
You know, if he'd actually said that line, that would've TOTALLY made it into "Best Lines of the Series, Ever."
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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 31, 2010, 03:07:48 PM »
OK, I re-watched "The End" Saturday night, and I noticed a couple of (admittedly very small) things... so these are just for fun:
1. What was in that black back-pack that MIB wore all the time? The C-4 was already gone, right? His knife was in a holster. What kind of luggage could a smoke-monster possibly need when packing to leave his home of the past 1000 years? What was so important? A change of socks? (I noticed that UnLocke dropped the backpack when he started his cliffside fight with Jack, and that after "the battle" was over, Ben picked it up when he and Hurley and Jack started off. But then when they arrived at the mouth of the light-cave, definitely none of them had or were carrying the back-pack. Then afterwards, I think I saw it lying on the ground near Jack. Continuity...
2. Why did Kate change clothes in between leaving Jack in the car and going into the church? What, the church has a dress code? And the little black dress was too short or something?
3. Speaking of the car, why is Successful Spinal Surgeon Jack still driving that beat-up POS Jeep or whatever it was? Wouldn't he have a nicer car? I understand that Bearded Druggie Jack might have some financial issues and have that car, but this Jack?
3. How did Ben get out from under the tree?
4. How did Jack get up from the bottom of the waterfall in the light-cave? When Jacob found his brother draped in the trees after Smokey's creation, I assumed that the body got tossed out/blasted out by the force of Smokey's eruption. But with Jack there was no Smokey, so how did he get out?
Unless... there was a Smokey! Dun-dun-DUN!!
(OK, just kidding...)
1. What was in that black back-pack that MIB wore all the time? The C-4 was already gone, right? His knife was in a holster. What kind of luggage could a smoke-monster possibly need when packing to leave his home of the past 1000 years? What was so important? A change of socks? (I noticed that UnLocke dropped the backpack when he started his cliffside fight with Jack, and that after "the battle" was over, Ben picked it up when he and Hurley and Jack started off. But then when they arrived at the mouth of the light-cave, definitely none of them had or were carrying the back-pack. Then afterwards, I think I saw it lying on the ground near Jack. Continuity...
2. Why did Kate change clothes in between leaving Jack in the car and going into the church? What, the church has a dress code? And the little black dress was too short or something?
3. Speaking of the car, why is Successful Spinal Surgeon Jack still driving that beat-up POS Jeep or whatever it was? Wouldn't he have a nicer car? I understand that Bearded Druggie Jack might have some financial issues and have that car, but this Jack?
3. How did Ben get out from under the tree?
4. How did Jack get up from the bottom of the waterfall in the light-cave? When Jacob found his brother draped in the trees after Smokey's creation, I assumed that the body got tossed out/blasted out by the force of Smokey's eruption. But with Jack there was no Smokey, so how did he get out?
Unless... there was a Smokey! Dun-dun-DUN!!
(OK, just kidding...)
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Episode 6x16 / Re: So it's left to our imagination
« on: May 31, 2010, 02:57:54 PM »If the kids had stayed behind in the Temple, they would have been killed by MIB along with everyone else. MIB didn't care about anyone that followed along with him.
I agree that they would've been killed if they'd stayed behind. But then why did he make the offer for anyone who wanted to, to come with him? Why didn't he just leave them all in there and kill them all? Why give them a chance?
I know you guys will laugh me off the face of the earth, and that's perfectly OK, but yeah, I can see him taking the kids on the boat with him to leave the island. If they'd still been there with him, I can see it as a possibility. Would he risk losing his one-chance-in-a-thousand-years-at-escape to go back and look for them to bring them with him? No, I don't think so -- as you said, escape was his primary goal. But if they'd been there with him, yes I think he might've taken them along.
My theory on why he recruited some people from the Temple was simply to get some numbers.
I thought about that at first, too, but then I thought "What does he need numbers for? Maybe one person (like Sayid or Claire) to run errands, but he's invincible. It's not like he needs somebody to watch his back so he doesn't get shot or something." I dunno...
I re-watched it Saturday night, with the pop-ups (which didn't add much, really.) But one thing interesting that I missed before was that after MIB told Ben "Oops, I left out that little part about the island being underwater," he added "With that being said, you're still welcome to come along with me on my boat when I leave."
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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 31, 2010, 02:51:04 PM »You're apparently the only one who understood my simple argument.
Yeah, well, we seem to think along the same lines a lot of the time. Not so sure that's a cause for celebration (on your part, at least) though.
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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unnecessary Escape...
« on: May 30, 2010, 01:56:01 PM »But since the entire point of the 5th season was to rescue everyone on the island and bring them back, now they leave people behind again. And Jack basically wanting to commit suicide because of the guilt of leaving those people behind. Now Hurley is expendable? Nope, sorry, doesn't sit well with me.
What? How did you come to the conclusion that Jack was wanting to "commit suicide" due to guilt of the people left behind? Seriously, I have ZERO idea where you got that from.
I think the reference was to when bearded, strung-out Jack was going to jump off the bridge, before he got distracted by having to rescue the people who were in the car crash.
Again, the idea that the "entire point of season 5" was to get everyone off the island is false.
Not entirely false -- your examples show that Kate went back to get Claire to bring her back to Aaron, and Sun went back to get Jin and bring him back. I think Jack started out by thinking he had to go back to "rescue" everyone and at that point he thought it probably meant he had to bring them back with him, not that he'd have to do what he ended up doing. Hurley, Sayid, Lapidus, Ben... yeah, not coming back for a rescue so much, I agree.
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Season 6 / Re: What are the questions we want answered once and for all?
« on: May 29, 2010, 06:55:17 PM »
That could be. And then by the time everyone realized that he wasn't really John Locke at all, then it would've been kinda pointless (from the writers' perspective) to all of a sudden switch him back to Titus Welliver instead of Terry O'Quinn, I guess. Still, if I were MIB/Smokey, I think I'd like my own body back. But, maybe he was sick of looking at that same face in the washbasin for over a thousand years.