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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:09:38 PM »
From the end of the note I posted on Facebook:

In the Flash Sideways, at the end:
*Where were Rose and Bernard, who had both appeared in the Flash Sideways earlier?
Rose and Bernard were happy on the island. They didnt need to go meet with everyone becasue they didnt want to be with everyone.  They wanted to be alone.

Again, Rose and Bernard WERE there at the end lol...

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 25, 2010, 09:40:50 PM »
From the end of the note I posted on Facebook:

In the Flash Sideways, at the end:
*Where were Michael and Walt?
*Where were Rose and Bernard, who had both appeared in the Flash Sideways earlier?
Michael is still on the island, remember? Walt had no need for this alt reality when he passed, which is why he never showed up in it. Would have been nice, though, if he had...but if he did, then Michael would by necessity need to be there, too. And let's face it, fans HATED Michael lol...and that gathering at the end was as much for the fans as it was due to "logic".

Rose and Bernard were both there at the end...not sure how you missed them, they were showed repeatedly.


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*What about Ana Lucia, Eko, and all of the other lesser characters? Ilana? Naomi? Arzt? I mean, Shannon and Boone show up...
Shannon showed up for Sayid's sake. Libby showed up for Hurley's sake. Anna Lucia was "not ready" according to Desmond. Why in the hell would Naomi need to show up? lol. She lived a grand total of something like 2 days on the island before being killed by Locke. Artz may not have actually existed in the alt/imagined world, but his being a teacher may have provided inspiration for that world.

Again, that ending scene was for the audience, not a roll call. It was to bring the original Losties from season 1 back together again, especially since half of them had died already. Picking apart who was and was not there misses the point of the ending entirely.


Artz was in the sideways flashes....he was eating at the same table as Ben in the teachers lounge...he was Ben's friend.


I know he was there, but he may not have really existed, much like Jack's son didn't actually exist yet he was "there".

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Episode 6x16 / Re: What was with the crash scene at the end?
« on: May 25, 2010, 09:36:46 PM »
I think that was just a fond farewell to the wreck that started the whole thing...but I could be wrong.

It came after the "Lost" boom!  So I didn't consider it as part of the story other than a homage to the show in general...

Yeah it wasn't even really a SCENE. More of two stills. A homage to a show that started out with a plane crash on an island turned into this epic event that became bigger than anyone could have possibly imagined.

Yeah, don't read too much into that I think. Lost started with that set, so it was just a little nod to all the fans to remind us how far we've come and give us a moment of quiet reflection of what we've seen.

There are 3 still shots.

I choose to believe that it is a tribute to what launched it all.

If you look closely though, the second still seems to have foot prints in the sand, while the third still seems to have a little hut assembled from wreckage.

I don't think that it's proof of everyone dying a fiery death in the original crash.

REMEMBER THAT CHRISTIAN SAID: "Everyone dies, kiddo. Some before you, some long after"

The plane wreckage shots were shown as the credits rolled (and after "LOST", as was pointed out).

Lots of series finales end with a shot of an empty set for sentimental reasons.  I took it as that, and not a part of the actual storyline.

The plane wreckage shots were shown as the credits rolled (and after "LOST", as was pointed out).

Lots of series finales end with a shot of an empty set for sentimental reasons.  I took it as that, and not a part of the actual storyline.



Exactly, if it was supposed to be an OMG there would have been some dramatic music. There was also 1 other thing missing....THERE WERE NO BODIES.

It's exactly like RM and alot of others have said, just an empty set to roll the credits on.

All of this *nod*...

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Jack didn't bless Hurley's water?
« on: May 25, 2010, 03:48:30 PM »
I figured that the words were not important, just the belief in the transition of power
I guess I am left confused by exactly what power the protectors have?  Jacob seemed not to age, just like Richard.  Beyond that, he could be killed, didn't seem to have any special knowledge other than his personal experience, and could only not be killed by MiB because of something Mother did specifically for him and MiB, not something she did in a general sense for all island protectors.  Jack could be killed, didn't seem to have any special knowledge, just intuition and what Jacob told him.  Jack could be killed.   

My guess would be different powers for different individuals, perhaps. But the biggest "power" they had was that they could establish rules by which everything must abide. It's almost as if the island protector could manipulate the laws of physics. Jack wasn't the island protector long enough for us to understand what powers he would have had, and we didn't see Hurley in the protector role but for about 90 seconds. "Powers" don't necessarily equate to invisibility or being able to fly lol :)...

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 25, 2010, 03:42:07 PM »
From the end of the note I posted on Facebook:

In the Flash Sideways, at the end:
*Where were Michael and Walt?
*Where were Rose and Bernard, who had both appeared in the Flash Sideways earlier?
Michael is still on the island, remember? Walt had no need for this alt reality when he passed, which is why he never showed up in it. Would have been nice, though, if he had...but if he did, then Michael would by necessity need to be there, too. And let's face it, fans HATED Michael lol...and that gathering at the end was as much for the fans as it was due to "logic".

Rose and Bernard were both there at the end...not sure how you missed them, they were showed repeatedly.


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*What about Ana Lucia, Eko, and all of the other lesser characters? Ilana? Naomi? Arzt? I mean, Shannon and Boone show up...
Shannon showed up for Sayid's sake. Libby showed up for Hurley's sake. Anna Lucia was "not ready" according to Desmond. Why in the hell would Naomi need to show up? lol. She lived a grand total of something like 2 days on the island before being killed by Locke. Artz may not have actually existed in the alt/imagined world, but his being a teacher may have provided inspiration for that world.

Again, that ending scene was for the audience, not a roll call. It was to bring the original Losties from season 1 back together again, especially since half of them had died already. Picking apart who was and was not there misses the point of the ending entirely.


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Episode 6x16 / Re: Prediction: The Final Scene of Lost
« on: May 24, 2010, 11:04:58 PM »
I was 100% wrong about both Richard and Lapidus being dead lol...happily so, too. But I expected their fates to have been just more "look how evil MiB really is" casualties.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Who created the Alt timeline/ meeting place?
« on: May 24, 2010, 10:58:43 PM »
I got the impression that it was a subconscious collective creation, possibly something that we all do and don't understand or realize until of course we ourselves have died. Try to imagine what that created reality would be like for you individually...who would be part of it, what moment of your life would it occur in. And more mind-blowing, what if you're in that reality right this instant lol...

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Vincent's purpose
« on: May 24, 2010, 08:32:24 PM »
Also, since Vincent ran up to Jack in the opening scene of episode 1 of season 1, it made sense to have Vincent run up to him again here at the end. Only in the original scene, Vincent kept running past Jack as where this time, he stopped for Jack and kept him company as he died.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Ajira Plane
« on: May 24, 2010, 07:25:11 PM »
It's just a late arrival in Guam. ;) It would be pretty funny to see them try to play it off when they land like some teenager getting busted for breaking curfew.

"How many days did you say? Wow that sounds weird, we just came straight here. Um where did everyone else go? *shrug* I think they said that had to go pick up some smokes or something. They should be right back. Oh, the cockpit window?  It was always like that."

LOL!!

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Jack is a smoke monster?
« on: May 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM »
Jack and MIB didn't do the same things in the room, so there could be different outcomes.  MIB did not remove the stopper (the light never turned off and no one had to go put it back) nor did he replace the stopper that someone else had removed...maybe he drank the water or something else.  But we don't know what MIB did when he was down there.

That's true as well, although I'm pretty sure he didn't do anything since he was either unconscious or dead lol. The Smoke Monster was formed almost instantly so there was not enough time for Jacob's brother to have done anything.

But I think the whole idea was that "whatever" occurred to cause Jacob's brother to become the Smoke Monster (or unleash the Smoke Monster or whatever occurred) was supposed to remain vague...and we were supposed to come to the conclusion that it was more than simply a human being entering the cave. The Smoke Monster might have been something specific and individual to Jacob's brother alone, something would not and could not occur to anyone else. Different outcomes for different individual souls.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: The stained glass at the church
« on: May 24, 2010, 07:05:58 PM »
For what it's worth, they actually did show Aaron.  Albeit, he was a brand new baby (the Aaron from the ATL rather than the one we got to know in regular time line).

Yes they did; that was the Aaron that made sense for Claire and Charlie together.  He was more a prop then a Lostie.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant lol.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Ajira Plane
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:58:38 PM »
I don't think the question would be Kate being in two plane crashes, I think the question would be where the hell did everyone ELSE go lol.

Kate being on two plane crashes would make for a headline on the home page of Yahoo. Not much else, though. ("Woman Survives Two Separate Plane Crashes"). Miles? I don't think he had anyone to connect with before he joined the freighter crew, so that's not really an issue. It could be said he and Richard were stranded on the same island and flew back with Kate and the pilot. Only Claire's story would really set off alarms in people, I think.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: If you were Hurley...
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:54:08 PM »
Actually it's when candidate, Mr Roark, becomes the protector that the island's rules REALLY change.

Oh, hell LOL!!!! :D

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Jack didn't bless Hurley's water?
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:51:25 PM »
Jack DID do something similar to what Jacob did, though, at the beginning of the episode. In "What They Died For", before filling the cup with water for jack to drink, it showed Jacob squatting down near the stream and him placing his own hands into the water, cupped a little water in it, then let it fall from his hands and rubbed his hands together just a little, almost as if he were washing them. At the beginning of "The End", it shows Jack squatting down near the stream and bringing his wet hands back up as he just looks at them. I remember thinking it reminded me of what Jacob did before he gave the cup to Jack. So, maybe possibly Jack knew all along that he would eventually end up making Hurley the new island protector and was shown doing the same things Jacob did before the point of transition.

Afterall, when Jack was telling everyone to get to the plane to leave the island and Hurley said he was going to stay with Jack, Jack just smiled and let out a quick laugh. He didn't try to convince Hurley to get on the plane like he normally would have done, and like he did with Kate...so maybe he didn't argue with Hurley because he knew Hurley staying was necessary??

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Vincent's purpose
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:31:37 PM »
I don't get all the hoopla over Vincent.  He was a dog.  Useful as a companion to Walt, to helping Shanon through a scary situation or two, for finding a dead body or two and for keeping Rose and Bernard company while they were keeping out of all the Island Action.  Some people wanted him to be more important than that, thought he must be but I never understood why he must be or even why he would be. 

I don't think too many people really expected or wanted Vincent to be anything other than a dog lol...they DID have issues with Vincent just "disappearing" and wonder what happened to him, and some joked that Vincent was really Smokie/Jacob/Christian/Take your pick lol. But all in all, most just liked Vincent because they like dogs.

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