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Episode 5x14 / Re: Daniel's reaction to the Plane crash
« on: April 30, 2009, 10:46:46 PM »
It raises the question as to whether a "trip to the future" can actually extend farther than one's own life span.  So Daniel never "lives" beyond the year 2007 (or is it 2008... either way, you get the point).  Could he visit 2010?  I know... there's no answer to this one, but I thought I would throw out another quandry.

I think you could travel to a future beyond your death in the same way you can travel to the past before your birth.  You are still experiencing your "present" relative to your lifespan even if the points relative to another's linear timeline are before or after your personal timeline.  Once you accept the concept of time travel, the whole idea of "years" becomes irrelevant.  Each moment is simply a plot point on each individual's timeline that does not necessarily correlate in the same linear fashion to anyone else's timeline.

Episode 5x14 / Re: Eloise's reasons
« on: April 30, 2009, 09:33:48 PM »
oh and Hi Hurley's girl!! I also loved your red string blue sting analysis[/color]

Heya darlin'  I have loved all sorts of alternate reality theories (time travel, six dimensional time space continuum, etc) since I got hooked on Heinlein.  But the only way to wrap my head around it is pictorally.  So the string thing really works for me.  What we perceive to be linear can have all sorts of twists and loops.

Can't say how long I'll be back (been really busy since the move to Mass) but it's fun to see all the new and old faces on the boards!

Episode 5x14 / Re: RIP Faraday
« on: April 30, 2009, 08:47:23 AM »
Jack and Juliet, THAT's a pair 'o' docs.
LOL!  Good one, HurleysGirl.

<------- Shamelessly cribbing Robert Heinlein

Episode 5x14 / Re: RIP Faraday
« on: April 30, 2009, 01:44:05 AM »

Now if Daniel's theory is true, and Jack & co. can indeed set off an explosion that will destroy the electromagnetic energy source that brings down their plane -- THAT will be a paradox.

Jack and Juliet, THAT's a pair 'o' docs.  Gigglesnort.

Episode 5x14 / Re: Eloise's reasons
« on: April 30, 2009, 01:33:34 AM »
It is a loop if you focus on the constant.  What Daniel was saying was that people, due to the concept of free will, are the variable and therefore it is possible to break some part of the loop (the Incident) and alter the future.  Which is a bit of a paradox, because, if the loop is broken and the Incident does not occur, then 815 does not crash and there is no jumpy purple sky thing and Farriday never returns to '77 to prevent the Incident, which means the Incident occurs, 815 crashes, etc. etc.  Paradox.

OK, now I know I've read too much Heinlein

Episode 5x14 / Re: Eloise's reasons
« on: April 30, 2009, 01:22:50 AM »
And this bothers me.

It seems that all those who came from the present (2004 or 2005) are not affected, but the people who existed before them had already been affected by the interactions they had with the "Losties". But if Daniel's mother had never interacted with Daniel before he traveled to the past and got himself shot, how could she remember shooting him before she sent him to the island?

I'm sorry, but this is confusing. And what makes it even more confusing is that there simply is no level ground here.

Ah but there is.  Imagine if the time experienced by all of the Losties who have traveled back to 1977 is a red string with one end of the string being the beginning of their shared experience and the other end of the string is their present.  Then imagine the time experienced by the common others (Ellie, Charles and Richard) as a blue string with the same ends.  If you laid the strings  on a table, the blue string would start on the left and the red string would start before the blue string ends (like this --------======) in a typical linear universe.  But add in the time travel element, and you have to take the end of the red string and loop it back to a spot somewhere on the blue string (1977) - so the blue string would still be straight but the red string would start straight but then loop back.  

Does that help at all???

Episode 5x14 / Re: Eloise's reasons
« on: April 30, 2009, 01:13:40 AM »
She probably had never done it until now. Since this was Dan's present, that must mean Dan had never died at the hands of his mother. It can be said his mother does not remember her killing him, but can foresee his imminent death. I know she told Penny she could not see what the future holds, but it's not above any of the Others to simply lie to people, regardless of the situation.

The only reason that doesn't jive for me is that Widmore clearly remembered Locke being on the Island in the 50's.  So if that truly took place, then why wouldn't her shooting Daniel have taken place?

It may be Daniel's present, but his present is taking place in his mother's past.  Therefore (and here is where you really have to bend your mind into a Mobius strip) she shot her son before she had him (her present) but he was not shot until he had become an adult (his present).  When dealing with time travel (and BTW ha, ha Juggy - you were wrong) each person has their own linear time which intersects with others' linear times at different points of time.  OK, it sounds like gibberish but it's late, and it would be easier to understand if I could draw a picture.

Community Lounge / Re: Update on PLP's New Little Princess...
« on: November 27, 2007, 01:22:09 AM »
to Brits, your pecker is your chin - hence the phrase "keep your pecker up".

Community Lounge / Re: Who Do You Miss?
« on: November 26, 2007, 01:32:59 PM »
Grits are the grossest food ever invented. I can not believe anyone eats that crap.

Sorry jugs, grits rule, just like the Saints (covering her head and running away!!!!)

Community Lounge / Re: Who Do You Miss?
« on: November 26, 2007, 12:30:34 PM »
I miss everyone - mostly 'cause I haven't been around!

If you need a UK/US translation, just let me know, I've been lucky enough to live on both sides of the pond. 

FYI - Biscuits in the US are cookies (sweet) or crackers (savoury).  US biscuits are rarely sweet, almost always like a savoury scone.  If they're sweet, Yanks will actually call them scones (i.e. see available pastries at Starbucks).  Grits are like semolina, I have seen them in the EU with the name Farine du Mais.  Best with butter and salt (some add cheese or bacon).  Best breakfast in the world:  Scrambled eggs, bacon, grits and a crumpet (or English muffin if crumpets not available) with proper cultured butter (hard to find and expensive in the States).

What I miss when living in the States:  Brighton Rock, cream scones, bangers and mash, Edinburgh Rock, good take away, proper tea in the afternoon.  Happy though, now that we get Kim and Aggie on the telly.

I promise to be around more when the season starts!!!!

Community Lounge / Re: The Hello and Good bye spot
« on: August 17, 2007, 04:05:31 PM »
Working at home today, so I'll be checking in from time to time.......

ha, ha, working, right - so far I've checked my e-mail and edited my myspace page and watched Trading Spaces.........

Websites / Re: Myspace
« on: August 17, 2007, 03:47:50 PM »
Finally got mine to something resembling a page...... 

Joy, JB, etc - need info to add you!

Community Lounge / Re: LOST-Word Association Game
« on: August 14, 2007, 05:40:07 AM »

Community Lounge / Re: Movie Game
« on: August 14, 2007, 05:39:08 AM »
Jerry Maguire with Tom Cruise

Community Lounge / Re: The Song Game
« on: August 14, 2007, 05:38:05 AM »
Life in the Fast Lane - the Eagles

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