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Episode 5x12 / Ben kidnapping Alex
« on: April 09, 2009, 11:40:27 AM »
I know this has been talked about in the older episode threads, but how does the timeline work for Ben to kidnap Alex?
If the purge was in 1992 and Alex gave birth in 1988, then it's obvious that the kidnapping occured when the Dharma Initiative was still alive. We also see that the others live in tents, which only makes this clearer.
So how come Ben was working for the Others? Did he do it behind Dharma's back? That's a possibility, but he had full others' clothing on and was absent during the night. Wouldn't his father notice?

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The decision to take Ben to the Others was very risky for our losties, because it puts them in the impossible position of explaining heir actions to the suspicious dharmites - especially Horace, Radzinsky and Phil. There are few options available for them. Speculating, there can be the following outcomes:

A. Richard doesn't give them Ben right away. They return without him.
      1) They say they were taking him to the Looking Glass station to the doctor and the others caught them and stole the kid - but this   means war
      2) They admit giving Ben to the Others, but since everyone thinks Sayid is a hostile that would be stupid. Maybe they can say that Sayid had defected from the hostiles
      3) They tell the truth, but that would be insane, especially after lying about Sayid

B. Richard gives them otherized Ben, and they return with him
      1) They sneak in and nobody finds out about the deal - kind of hard to imagine since they have so many cameras and they are on alert
      2) They tell them the Others healed him, and that the purpose justified the means; but how did they know the hostiles would help?

Other possibilities seem less likely. What do you think? How are they going to solve this problem? Hope they don't dissapoint us with an illogical answer.

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LOST Talk / Time travel - back in season 2 podcasts
« on: April 01, 2009, 09:33:14 PM »
Hey there! I was recently running through all the Lost Podcast transcripts via Lostpedia, and I found two gems. Not sure if they were mentioned. We all like to bash TPTB for saying that there was no time travel on Lost, but if we look closely, there were actually planning it from the beginning.

Evidence 1: Podcast after episode 6 season 2 - Abandoned, which is actually the very first official Lost podcast.

Damon Lindelof: And then, obviously the LA to Boston analogy is a season-by-season analogy. J.J. and I created the show, for those of you who do have the DVD, very much on the fly. It was over a course of very few weeks, designing exactly what the pilot was going to be. Carlton came on very shortly after that. And obviously all of us started talking about the bigger picture, in terms of—if we're starting in Los Angeles, how are we gonna end up in Minsk?

Carlton Cuse: Minsk?!

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, exactly. [Carlton laughs] It's hard to get to Minsk. Season 3 we report out of Boston and cross the Atlantic and land somewhere in Europe, and we're gonna have to figure out that. Gradually. There's a big picture within the bigger picture, so it's always in service of that. So, I feel, obviously, with fans …

Carlton Cuse: You're not going to tell them about the time travel, are you?

Damon Lindelof: No, no, I'm not going to. In fact, I'm going to go back in time and prevent you from having said that. [Laughs]

Carlton Cuse: Oh my God.


Everyone thought the mention of time travel was a joke. Introducing evidence 2:
This is from the summer podcast between the Season 2 finale and the Season 3 opener:

Fan 4: Hey guys, for the record, I was shocked that you guys didn’t get nominated. [Crowd cheers] Coming on the screen, it was not good… nearly woke up my neighbors at 5 in the morning. They were not happy. Anyways… Um… the first season, it took place during 48 days. Second season, was like 23? Do you guys have any idea of how long, for the entire series, how many days it’ll take place in?

Carlton Cuse: You know, days? We never actually counted days. I mean, by the end of the show, hopefully we’ll have covered a lot of history, going back and forth… I mean, obviously, we saw that statue, that statue is kind of old?

Damon Lindelof: At least 50 years old. [Crowd laughs]

Carlton Cuse: At least… And probably, a little older?

Damon Lindelof: Maybe, maybe.

Carlton Cuse: And that was sort of… that, that was a signpost that the history of the Island may be a lot of um… more extensive than we’ve already dealt with on the show… so I think, by the time the show is done, we’ll have covered a lot of time. And um… in terms of how many days on the Island specifically, I dunno? 117?

Damon Lindelof: It’s interesting that you should ask about time because… you know… you’re making a basic assumption that they’ve been there, y’know, as long as they think they’ve been there. [Crowd murmurs, someone says “Oh, no.”] I would say by the end of Season 3… that very different idea…


Carlton Cuse: Stop right there, Damon, stop right there.

Damon Lindelof: Well, I was just…

Carlton Cuse: Stop right there. Nope, nope, no.


It's obvious in this very quote that they had planned the whole losties as a part of Dharma from the beginning. Yes, even in season 1. When they said 'no time travel', they meant that no time travel is required to explain events in season 1, so they were not in fact lying (kind of like how Ben tells the truth). Since they weren't sure how many seasons they had, they probably wanted to throw the whole time travel thing at the end of season 3. But after negotiating the 6 seasons, they delayed the time travel to season 5.

Sorry if this is old news, but just now I had a revelation.

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LOST Talk / Janitor humour
« on: March 26, 2009, 09:19:54 PM »
Since it's not a (very) serious post, didn't want to pollute the episode threads.
I noticed a little janitor humour in "He's our you", with Roger making fun of Sayid and receiving a great one-liner in return.
Which got me thinking... how cool would be a cameo appearance by Neal Flynn, the guy who plays the Janitor in Scrubs!!!



Imagine him wearing a Dharma suit and acting crazy as usual. It would be hillarious. You may not like Scrubs, but it's hard not to like the Janitor (Scrubs without Janitor would be like Seinfeld without Kramer - > average).

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Episode 5x08 / Who is the on-island leader of Dharma?
« on: March 06, 2009, 04:05:38 PM »
In this episode, Sawyer called Horace the leader of the Dharmates. But in a previous episode, Marvin Candle (who we don't see here) is acting like he's in charge. What's the deal with that? And why put a scientist or a mathematician as a manager? They have better things to do.

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Episode 5x06 / So what do you think they were packing?
« on: February 22, 2009, 01:36:23 PM »
I found it strange that they didn't show what each of the characters put in their luggage. I mean, when you know you're going to crash on that island again, and maybe never come back, you would really consider what you would bring along. It's the classical questions of three items of choice, and it would have played nicely into the plot. But noone seems to care about that. I know I would bring some really confortable clothes, a whole lot of books to read and maybe a musical instrument to play when I'm bored. We only know of Hurley's guitar case (many people joked about it containing food).
Since they were transported through time, they probably lost all their luggage (except for that guitar case), but they couldn't have known that. I think this episode was rushed. They wanted to cover a lot of stories and it ended up being a little superficial.

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Episode 5x06 / Widmore (and Mrs. Hawking)
« on: February 19, 2009, 10:08:16 PM »
OK, so Widmore wants to find the island. Mrs. Hawking resides in a church that is built over a Dharma hatch that pinpoints the island location. Widmore knows where Mrs. Hawking lives. But instead of going to her and asking/forcing her to show him where the island is, he conceives this mega-mission with mercenaries, scientists and ghost busters, where they have to find the island. Why? Doesn't he know about the hatch? Or would it be "against the rules" to go to Eloise?
And furthemore, when the mission fails, why not go then to E.H. for the new location? Ben seems to think moving the island will solve everything.
Wait a minute, I just realised I don't remember how the freighter folk actually found the island in the first place. Do we know? Maybe Wid did actually go to Ellie...

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Episode 5x05 / RIP Charlotte (tribute to the red-haired beauty)
« on: February 12, 2009, 06:05:49 PM »
Well, it seems like This Place is Death did end up with a death sequence, that of Charlotte. Loved and hated by the heterogenus Lost fans, the beautiful blue-eyed and red-haired Charlotte leaves us without telling us too much of her story and without fulfilling herself emotionally with Daniel (who nevertheless apparently tries to save her afterwords). All I can say is Rest in peace, Charlotte (or should I say Libby or Arzt or Frogurt, who we never got to see a real falshback of). I really hope Miles and Daniel stick along for the ride, it's so long since we got a new character's back story (season 3 I think). TPTB decided to end another potentially good storyline, and that's that. For all it's worth, I really liked Charlotte, and hoped we can see more of her anthropologist side as she explores the island. You will be missed, Charlotte (at least by me). Let this be the last significant death on the show. Give us more story, more depth, more background, don't just kill'em and replace 'em! And don't you dare kill Juliet!

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Episode 5x02 / Sayid breaks up with Ben
« on: January 23, 2009, 04:38:14 PM »
So why do you think Sayid is no longer working for Ben?
I think maybe Ben ordered him to kill Penny, and Sayid realised that he was just a pawn in Ben's revenge plan.

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Season 5 / Sneak peeks - questions, questions, questions...
« on: January 04, 2009, 10:41:56 AM »
Hello again! Long time no talk.
I'm surprised you're not talking in the forum about the 2 sneak peeks and the 2 season presentation videos.
You're all probably on vacation or you'd rather wait for the show to air. But we are all anxious, aren't we?
If you don't want to see the aforementioned videos, don't read the following. (I think the spoiler tags don't work,
though these are not major spoilers, since they only bring out more questions).
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There are some interesting events happening,and some new questions:

1. Desmond is coming back (I thought his story was over). Good news, I think
2. A baby is born, it appears to be Desmond's and Penny's. Why in god's name would he go back in these conditions???
3. A girl is desperately writing on a blackboard some calculations - who and why?
4. Someone is thrown out of a balcony - impossible to tell who and by whom
5. The island is more dangeourous than ever - smokie, fire, distruction, explosions, drowning; but who is the source of it?
6. Claire appears to be calling Kate, telling her to bring her kid back - that's normal by Lost standards
7. Sun is pointing the gun at someone, probably Ben, and Kate seems to defend him.
8. The Dharma PC and the alarm clock make a reappearance. Hmmm....
9. I see a helicopter and, more important, A PLANE CRASHING over Locke's head!!! Not again! Is this the way they get back?
10. Jack reveals a part of his talk with Locke/Bentham - seems everyone's gonna die on the island. But why?

Could we try and answer some of these questions together? Are there more questions that arise from these short videos?

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Episode 4x08 / Why does everyone think Ben is evil?
« on: March 21, 2008, 06:09:24 PM »
I have noticed that the general opinion on this forum is that Ben is a ruthless killer who will stop at nothing to accomplish his agenda.

I think this week's episode showed us that Ben isn't as ruthless as we thought. The fake bomb and Ben's speech (and he had no reson to lie to Michael after he tried to detonate the bomb) shows us that Ben will try to make as few casualties as possible. This is backed up by the fact that the Others never killed any of the Losties (again Ben's speech: you killed them, Michael). Sure, there was the Purge, but Ben said that it was a very difficult decision.

It's obvious Ben is doing everything he can to protect the island. He didn't want to let the losties go home because he didn't want people finding out about the island. He kept his promise to Michael even though he could have easily killed him or sent him in the wrong direction. Ben is a man of honor, although he doesn't always tell the whole truth.

Now, it's obvious that Ben's only goal is to protect the island. I am convinced that Jacob is real, that his list is real, and that Ben is loyal to Jacob. So Ben will do anything in his power to stop Widmore (he's the one who planted the plane, I am sure about it).



Someone probably said it before, but I think the rest of the season will go like this: The freighter people will get on the island and try another purge, but the losties and the others will join forces and will disable them. Ben will realise that some people really want to get off the island and will allow them to go, on the condition that they don't say anything (maybe threatening them with killing the people who remain on the island). The 6 go home, and Sayid is recruited by Ben to kill anyone who might try to get hold of the island. Sayid agrees because he made the wrong decision when he trusted the freighter people and turned Michael in.

I know it's only an opinion, but I'm sticking to it until an episode proves me wrong.

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Episode 4x03 / How many people are on the boat?
« on: February 20, 2008, 07:18:35 PM »
I'm not sure if it has been asked before, but do we know how many people are on the boat?
And what exactly is their part? Who are they? Who is Minkowski, and who is the girl who answered Faraday?
Do they know that the fantastic four are held prisoners?

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