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Oh and about Smokey=MiB or not, right before he went into the light he reminded Jacob and us that Jacob couldn't kill him. Jacob told MiB and us that he wasn't going to kill him. If we go by Jack's logic that not touching the bomb would keep therm alive, then MiB being unconscious had no way to alter his fate. This would mean that either Jacob killed him or he became Smokey.

Saying the light killed him and not Jacob, is like saying Jacob threw him off a cliff and the ground killed him.

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LOST Talk / Hurley Dude
« on: May 14, 2010, 07:15:08 PM »
This is a video of Hurley saying dude for 3:56, very funny. Fun to see all the seasons again.


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Weather or not you believe that Smokey is MiB, can we at least agree that Smokey has the same conscience and memories as MiB? If you agree to that then all of these questions are easy to answer.

MiB cold see dead people, so when he saw boy Jacob he thought ah crap. Now when Sawyer saw him too, he knew that it wasn't just a ghost and that freaked him out a bit.

Cabin: I do not think it was Smokey in the cabin since he has been blowing up trees ever since 815 crashed. Mother seemed to have an idea of what would happen if someone went down the light hole, maybe it has happened before and there is another Smoke monster? One that has taken the form of Christian in the FDW cave or any other helpfull dead person. Currently he might have been seen as young Jacob and that's why Sawyer could see him.

The rules could simply be once Jacob touched and chose a canadate it marked them and made it so they couldn''t be killed by Smokey/MiB, kind of what mother did. This is why jack said not to tamper with the bomb, as is it would have been Smokey's doing and it would not have went off. Once Sawyer pulled the wires he changed it and now the bomb could kill them.

Any of this make sense or am I just crazy today?

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Anyone else notice
« on: May 13, 2010, 02:37:51 PM »
It seems like both brothers wanted the same goal, but for different purposes. Jacob was probably sick of being the watchman, and MIB wanted to leave. Jacob also had to make sure that MIB won't leave, so he still influences Hurley so that he can be replaced.
I know Jacob is a fan of free will, but when someone attacks you with your knife and you do nothing just to protect somebody else's free will, it means you (at least subconsciously) want to die.

I'm not questioning Jacob's willingness to die. That was plain as day. I'm saying that he was not the one that started Ben on the path of murder. His line of "What about you" was the straw that broke the camel's back, but that alone wasn't what did it. MiB is the one that was inside Ben's head all that time, and then Jacob just said the wrong thing at the wrong time.

I think we all agree that Locke put Ben in the mindset to kill Jacob, just like he did with Richard. Only this time Jacob didn't kick his ass and talk him out of it. He simply said what he needed to in order for Ben to go through with stabbing him.

I missed these boards for the first 3 episodes, did we ever come to a conclusion as to where Jacobs body went? I know Locke said it burned up, but there was no traces of it in the fire pit. Did he pull an Obi-Wan/Yoda and just fade away into the force island?

And really, how thoroughly did you check the fire pit WS??
They showed it and there was no crispy guy in there.

Oh, well, then in that case, alright then. I mean, it could be as simple as a prop error. I mean, they told us he burned up in the fire, I don't think we need to over analyze it. Unless it is something more. I mean the young Jacob we have been seeing run around the island could explain where his body went. Maybe it just got repurposed.

I now remember that Ilana took some ash from the firepit, I am pretty sure that in order to cremate a body it takes a lot of heat and time. Here is a pic I found of Ben looking into the fire shortly after killing him. This shot is from season 6.


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Episode 6x14 / Re: Anyone else notice
« on: May 13, 2010, 02:23:07 PM »
It seems like both brothers wanted the same goal, but for different purposes. Jacob was probably sick of being the watchman, and MIB wanted to leave. Jacob also had to make sure that MIB won't leave, so he still influences Hurley so that he can be replaced.
I know Jacob is a fan of free will, but when someone attacks you with your knife and you do nothing just to protect somebody else's free will, it means you (at least subconsciously) want to die.

I'm not questioning Jacob's willingness to die. That was plain as day. I'm saying that he was not the one that started Ben on the path of murder. His line of "What about you" was the straw that broke the camel's back, but that alone wasn't what did it. MiB is the one that was inside Ben's head all that time, and then Jacob just said the wrong thing at the wrong time.

I think we all agree that Locke put Ben in the mindset to kill Jacob, just like he did with Richard. Only this time Jacob didn't kick his ass and talk him out of it. He simply said what he needed to in order for Ben to go through with stabbing him.

I missed these boards for the first 3 episodes, did we ever come to a conclusion as to where Jacobs body went? I know Locke said it burned up, but there was no traces of it in the fire pit. Did he pull an Obi-Wan/Yoda and just fade away into the force island?

And really, how thoroughly did you check the fire pit WS??
They showed it and there was no crispy guy in there.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Candidate Sawyer and Candidate Sheppard
« on: May 13, 2010, 02:19:43 PM »
I would agree, but I think the only crash survivor that is going to make it all the way to the end is going to be Jack. Whatever happens will be a big struggle between Jack and Locke/MiB.

Bring MIB back to the light and maybe he is defeated?

I think both jack and Desmond will play a hand in defeating MIB.  Desmond will be the only one able to bring him into the light without being destroyed himself.

Apparently, only the island protector can find the cave. So yeah, if Jack will be the new island protector he could lead Desmond to the cave, and Desmond could fool Smokey into entering the cave after him.
The only problem is I don't want Smokey to die, I want him to escape.  :)

Yes, I would love to see someone finally have the cajones to write a story where the good guys fail and the world is destroyed!  Talk about a surprise ending with no chance of a movie option!   ;D

I used to think that way until I saw The Perfect Storm. OK so the world isn't destroyed, but everyone dies and I felt it wasn't a good way to end a movie. I know it was based on a true story, but it still sucked to see them all die.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Anyone else notice
« on: May 13, 2010, 01:56:49 PM »
It seems like both brothers wanted the same goal, but for different purposes. Jacob was probably sick of being the watchman, and MIB wanted to leave. Jacob also had to make sure that MIB won't leave, so he still influences Hurley so that he can be replaced.
I know Jacob is a fan of free will, but when someone attacks you with your knife and you do nothing just to protect somebody else's free will, it means you (at least subconsciously) want to die.

I'm not questioning Jacob's willingness to die. That was plain as day. I'm saying that he was not the one that started Ben on the path of murder. His line of "What about you" was the straw that broke the camel's back, but that alone wasn't what did it. MiB is the one that was inside Ben's head all that time, and then Jacob just said the wrong thing at the wrong time.

I think we all agree that Locke put Ben in the mindset to kill Jacob, just like he did with Richard. Only this time Jacob didn't kick his ass and talk him out of it. He simply said what he needed to in order for Ben to go through with stabbing him.

I missed these boards for the first 3 episodes, did we ever come to a conclusion as to where Jacobs body went? I know Locke said it burned up, but there was no traces of it in the fire pit. Did he pull an Obi-Wan/Yoda and just fade away into the force island?

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Anyone else notice
« on: May 13, 2010, 07:42:09 AM »
I am not sure if the speaking/not speaking is relevant.  I think more to the point, that she could not kill herself, so I think she manipulated everything so that MIB would eventually off her just like Jacob manipulated Ben to a murderous frame of mind and stood there and let him stab him.  Talking or not talking did not matter in that scene and I do not think it mattered when MIB killed his mother.  Because at that point he is not Smokey yet anyway. 

I think you mean MiB manipulated Ben into a murderous state of mind

MiB did, but so did Jacob. When Ben was pouring his heart out about what he'd done for the island, and then Jacob responded with "What about you?"

That'd get me stabby.

But take away everything that Locke said to him, and the simple line of "What about you??" would not drive him that crazy.

We have seen Jacob the ass kicker 3 times this season. He could have defended himself against Ben and his knife with ease. He knew Ben was all emotional and in a stabby mood and said nothing to him that would cause him to act differantly. In essance he commited suicide by not defending himself physically or verbally. He wanted out of the bum rap job he was tricked into taken, and Ben was holding the door open for him.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Candidate Sawyer and Candidate Sheppard
« on: May 12, 2010, 02:26:12 PM »
Heh, actually this reminds me of Lord of The Rings - return the ring to the place it was created (Mt. Doom) - only there can it be destroyed.

Return Smokey back to the light, only there can he be destroyed?  Maybe?
One doesn't simply smoke float into the Spring of Light

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Episode 6x14 / Re: wow wow wow
« on: May 12, 2010, 02:22:33 PM »
We know that Jacob could not see the dead, so everytime we have seen Brother/MiB after Jacob has the Job, it is Smokie taken his form.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: wow wow wow
« on: May 12, 2010, 01:50:38 PM »
Everything that we learned about Jacob's brother is irrelevant.  He is not the same as MIB.  MIB is smokey. 
AGREE! AGREE! The smoke takes the form of the dead which is why it looked like MIB talking to Jacob.

But as Bob has pointed out, why can't Smokie/MiB kill Jacob? It's not his brother, so it shouldn't be bound by those rules. Taken on Locke identity should have let him kill Jacob, why did he need Ben to do it? The only loophole seems to be he couldn't do it himself.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: wow wow wow
« on: May 12, 2010, 01:45:14 PM »
So Richard giving Locke a compass in 2007 who turns around and gives the compass back to Richard in 1954 (right?) so that Richard can use it to test boy Locke is not time traveling? How about the fact they were working as Dharma people in 1977?

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Smoke Monster can only kill BAD People
« on: May 12, 2010, 01:27:59 PM »
Remember back in season 2, when Eko came face to face with the smoke monster? And the monster read his thoughts, and you only see the good things that Eko did. Then the smoke monster just took off, because he was good, and therefore could NOT kill him. Later in season 3, when Eko said he did not not want forgiveness, the smoke monster was then able to kill him, because now he is bad. That is why the smoke monster, disguised as John Locke, has to make someone else kill Jacob. He can NOT kill Jacob because Jacob is always good, and did not do any bad things. So, the smoke monster can only kill people who were bad.

I wonder what bad thing the pilot did from Oceanic 15! He was the first victim!

Bringing people to the island is by definition bad - the pilot was responsible for that.  Jacob certainly had some plans for some of the 815, but the pilot was punished for bringing the rest?

Your right the pilot is evil for allowing his plane to be ripped in half because it was thrown off course by Jacob and Desmond didn't push the button in time. Put that guy next to Bin Laden on the most wanted list.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: Smoke Monster can only kill BAD People
« on: May 12, 2010, 01:12:22 PM »
Whatever happened in the pilot should not be held against the writters, they were making a show that they hoped would get picked up by a network. It was supposed to be Jack who died, but it was changed to the pilot.

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Episode 6x14 / Re: So who installed the frozen wheel?
« on: May 12, 2010, 12:39:33 PM »
Jacob seemed to pretty strong to drag MiB against his will to the Light, maybe being a protector gives you superhuman strength?

"Have no fear, Light Protector-Man is here!"

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