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Can one of the mods please deal with this troll? 

Episode 6x16 / Re: Questions?
« on: May 25, 2010, 03:13:22 PM »
re: Tunisia - didn't Hawking say that there are pockets of energy or strange matter that are linked to one another, the island being one of them?  Similar to what the faith healer told Rose?  Seems to me that another pocket would be that spot in the Tunisian desert.

re: the Numbers, gotta agree with RM.  a) I'd like to have seen who built the radio tower and b) who recorded the #'s on the radio tower.  Especially since when Russo's team heard the numbers, it sounded like Hurley recorded them.  They could have (maybe should have) shown that when Hurley was with Dharma. 

Episode 6x16 / Re: Questions?
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:54:33 PM »
I agree there are a lot of mysteries that were presented and then never solved. It is this way and cannot bechanged. All we can do is offer opinions to each other that hopefully make sense. It's a lot like great classic literature. It is debated and questioned and that is part of what makes it so great and frustrating at the same time.

As for the questions above they are valid. I can take a stab at what was my biggest question--Eloise. How did she know so much??? Well, from what I have been able to piece together is that she has been dead and in the sideways timeline for quite awhile (with Daniel). She is enlightened like Desmond so knows both worlds.

re: Eloise - I think this requires some analysis of what she knew, and when.  Not sure I've got this figured all out, but here's my best interpretation

Back in the 50's, she didn't seem to know anything.  She doesn't recognize Faraday or anyone else.

Ditto for the 70's, when she killed Farraday and helped with the Jughead plan. 

However, at that point in time, she took possession of Farraday's journal, and therefore we can assume that from that point forward, she knew everything Faraday did up until that point in time (well, best not to say "point in time", better to say "point in Faraday's life") and had written that in the journal, which includes all of Farraday's knowledge of the "real" world through 2004 when he boarded the freighter.  It includes all of Faraday's equations and research.  It also includes an indication from Faraday that Desmond is special ("If anything happens, Desmond Hume will be MY constant"), plus perhaps (probably) other Desmond tidbits - remember, Farraday knew Desmond was special, that's why he went to him in the hatch when the time flashes started and told him to find Hawking in the future.     

All of Desmond's flashbacks in that episode where we first meet Hawking, like when he tries to buy the wedding ring and breaks up with Penny and Hawking is appearing, she presumably knew everything about Desmond from whatever else might have been in Faraday's journal.     

When Desmond is shot by Ben in 2007, Hawking doesn't know what will happen.  Why?  Faraday's journal only covers up until 2004 in the real world. 

Hawkings knowledge in the Alt. timeline?  She seemed to be in a state where she had awoken to memories of her past life, but had chosen not to move on, or was unable to.  Perhaps due to guilt over having killed Faraday.  Guilt also seemed to be holding Ben back from moving on.  I think everything Hawking said in the alt. in Desmond's episode, about people not being ready, etc., was all related to being able to become aware of their past lives, that they were in purgatory, and being ready to move on.  It had nothing to do with any supernatural knowledge of the island or the universe in the regular timeline. 

Episode 6x16 / Re: The Official "Pat yourself on the back" Thread
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:01:46 PM »
The closest I ever got to "predicting" anything remotely correctly, was realizing that after Smokey appeared to judge Ben (and Locke pulled a Clark Kent when Supersmokey was present) was that Smokey was masquerading as Locke.  They didn't really officially reveal this until the first ep or two of season 6, or perhaps the S5 finale.  I wasn't alone in predicting it, but I did come up with it totally on my own, so I am somewhat proud of that one.,9279.msg528075.html#msg528075

Beyond that, I think any other time I tried to figure out what was going on, I fell flat on my face. 

As others have said, everything we ever saw on island was real, including season 6.  All the flashbacks were real.  All the flash forwards were real.  All the time travelling was real. 

What wasn't "real" was the alt timeline / flash sideways, which we only saw this season.  Everyone there was dead, it was a type of purgatory where their souls went before they could move on, presumably to heaven or something like that.  Some people we saw there died before Jack (Christian, Charlie, Boone, Shannon, Jin, Sun, Sayid, Libby, Locke, etc.), others died at some point afterward (Kate, Sawyer, Claire Bear, Hurley and so forth).  Jack's death came looking up into the sky after the Ajira plane flew over, with Vincent lying next to him.

The idea that there was no "now" there to me means it was just all detached from regular time - everyone was together regardless of when they died. 

This one sentence from Christian in that scene with Jack sums it up for me (thanks for posting it Katbrill, by the way) ...

Christian: Well, this is a place you all made together so you could <b>find</b> one another.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Jack didn't bless Hurley's water?
« on: May 25, 2010, 12:35:10 PM »
I figured that the words were not important, just the belief in the transition of power
I guess I am left confused by exactly what power the protectors have?  Jacob seemed not to age, just like Richard.  Beyond that, he could be killed, didn't seem to have any special knowledge other than his personal experience, and could only not be killed by MiB because of something Mother did specifically for him and MiB, not something she did in a general sense for all island protectors.  Jack could be killed, didn't seem to have any special knowledge, just intuition and what Jacob told him.  Jack could be killed.   

Episode 6x16 / Re: Questions?
« on: May 25, 2010, 12:27:23 PM »
Not my question, so go easy on me (because I'm in the "it doesn't matter" camp). My husband is endlessly irritated that once we were shown the heart of the island, we saw a bunch of tunnels leading to the pool. He wants to know - who created that "heart of the island" chamber, with the stone tunnels and carved plug and everything? And who created the island in the first place?

Like I said - not my question, but if you can come up with some semblance of an answer, I can at least tell him to STFU.
As far as I can tell, that is something we simply weren't shown / told in the show.  Maybe it was meant to be implied that the people MiB was hanging out with were the ones who built all that.  But I think folks find flaws in that idea because those guys seemed to be Roman (Claudia spoke Latin I think) whereas everything seemed to have an Egyptian element to it - i.e. The Lighthouse = The Lighthouse at Alexandria, the huge statue of the Egyptian god, etc.  

Episode 6x16 / Re: My Biggest Complaint
« on: May 25, 2010, 12:24:12 PM »
I read an article last night summarizing fan reaction.  I swear some of the people they quoted either did not watch the finale, or totally, utterly failed to comprehend any aspect of it.  It is so clear from the finale that the flash-sideways, and only the flash-sideways, represented purgatory.  Everything in the island timeline was real.  They were NOT dead the whole time as some people are being quoted as saying. 

I've got no problem with people who didn't like the finale or Lost in general or feel let down, I respect everyone's opinion.  But to base the opinion on your own lack of understanding of what was clearly spelled out in the episode, well, its frusterating to see innacurracies about the show spread because apparently so many people misunderstood.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Misdirection
« on: May 25, 2010, 11:50:46 AM »
I like the idea of the island rising again.  I think what they could have done was instead of having the characters move on from the sideways world into heaven(?), somehow they could have made the sideways version of the island their own heaven, because perhaps that is where they were happiest in their lives.  This is not to say that the island was heaven in the main timeline.

Actually, thinking about it a little more, I'd like to suggest something along the lines of the following:

Whenever someone saw themselves in the mirror, they tended to do a slight doubletake, as if they knew something wasn't right.  But that failed to re-awaken them.  Why?  I think it goes back to the theme of finding redemption individually, but needing other people to help you do it.  That's why they had to interact with those that they loved, or in Locke's case had to be fixed by Jack. 

Oh well, that makes my record for Lost theories about 0 for 400 while the show was still on the air, and now 0 for 1 after it finished :)  But worth a shot anyway...

Episode 6x16 / Re: What lines do you WANT to hear in the finale?
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:49:38 PM »
Ditto. I really like how they did the twist on the "see you in another life, brotha." As much as I wanted to hear it from Desmond, it was cool how they did it with Jack.

Yeah, that was really great -- I didn't see that coming at all.  I thought for sure it would be Desmond saying it.
Actually, I thought up until now the most poignant utterance of that line had come from Jack right before he and the rest of the O6 launched the raft from Not-Penny's boat. 

Episode 6x16 / Re: Vincent's purpose
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:21:30 PM »
I don't get all the hoopla over Vincent.  He was a dog.  Useful as a companion to Walt, to helping Shanon through a scary situation or two, for finding a dead body or two and for keeping Rose and Bernard company while they were keeping out of all the Island Action.  Some people wanted him to be more important than that, thought he must be but I never understood why he must be or even why he would be. 

I figured somehow last nights ep. would explain why so many shots of people looking at themselves and one another through mirrors in the Alt. timeline.  But as far as I can tell, it really didn't?  Or did I somehow miss this?

TV & Movies / Re: Fringe- JJ abrams and abbadon's new show
« on: May 24, 2010, 05:59:18 PM »
Yeah, really liked the last ep.  And the KFC joke had me ROFL LMAO.

Edit: or maybe get a cat or dog?
And name it Vincent :)

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