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Episode 6x07 / All The Best Cowgirls Have Mommy Issues???
« on: March 17, 2010, 01:07:27 PM »
Smokey's discussion with Kate about his crazy mother last night got me thinking.  Lost has thrown - and I mean THROWN - the whole theme of bad fathers in our face, time and time again.  Meanwhile, the fact that most of the major characters don't have the best relationships with their moms has sort of flown under the radar, but has always been there:

* Kate - Mom chooses abusive husband over Kate
* Sawyer - Mom indirectly screws up his life by getting involved with Cooper
* Jack - Seems pretty good but she sure gets pissed at him over his "outing" of Christian to the hospital board
* Jin - Mom's a prostitute who abandons him as a baby then blackmails his wife later on
* Shannon - real mom isn't in the picture, but her step mom / Boone's mom abandons her
* Ben - mom dies during childbirth, so no real relationship with mom, but then mom (or Smokey?) appears to him later
* Locke (the real one) - Mom gives him up for adoption, sets him up to have cooper steal his kidney.  Adoptive mom isn't exactly the most supportive person - she gets quite peeved at him when he seems to fail Richard's test.
* Juliette - Mom seems 50% responsible for ruining Juliette's childhood via divorce from dad
* Anna Lucia - Mom is a wee bit overbearing IIRC
* Walt - Mom separates him from his dab for most of his childhood
* Faraday - mom manipulates him back in time so that she can kill him
* Claire - has some big issues with mom, IIRC, right before the car crash that causes mom to be paralyzed (at least for a while, until she shows up at Christian's funeral).
* Hurley - seems to mostly have a good relationship with his mom, but then she's always on his case about his weight etc. 

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Episode 6x06 / Ilana's motivation for accepting Ben?
« on: March 11, 2010, 01:54:47 PM »
Why did Ilana accept Ben?  One minute she's ready to kill him, the next she's cool with him.

a) she's overwhelmed by the sincerity of Ben's apology?
b) she sees Ben as a valuable asset that can help going forward
c) related to 'b', she'd rather have Ben on her side than on Smokey's?
d) keep your friends close, and your enemies closer?
e) others?

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Episode 6x06 / Flocke uses the Florce???
« on: March 10, 2010, 12:36:45 PM »
Nice little mind-over-matter, Jedi-power moment there when he undid Ben's leg shackle.  I wonder why he bother's to go after people as the smoke monster when he could, apparently, cause a tree to fall on them just by thinking about it. 

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Episode 6x06 / East India Company and the Black Rock?
« on: March 10, 2010, 12:34:27 PM »
Ok, I looked up the East India Company on Wikipedia, and while there's no mention of them trading in slaves or in dynamite, I couldn't help but get the impression that Ben & Alex's Q&A about the East India Company was meant to be foreshadowing the Black Rock's origins.  Thoughts? 

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Episode 6x05 / Backgammon (or Smokey And The Bandit)
« on: March 06, 2010, 01:01:38 PM »
I've been thinking for a while now that Mib not necessarily bad, or pure bad, and Jacob not necessarily good, or pure good.

Thinking of backgammon, as Locke said:

"Two sides.  Black and white"

Two sides?  Absolutely.  There are two players.  In this case Jacob and Smokey.

Black and white?  Yes, those are the colors of the game pieces, but... I think its quite a jump we all made past that - black and white are diametrically opposed, must be pure good vs. pure evil, etc.  Backgammon has two players.  The player who plays white isn't necessarily any more good or pure than the guy playing black, who isn't necessarily any more evil than the guy playing white. 

I also wonder if the end to the S5 finale was some sort of big hint as to all of this.  Hear me out.  The opening credits until that time, and the "(Boom) LOST" that ended most episodes.  Always white on black.  Interesting choice of color schemes for these images, huh?  But then, bam, Season 5 finalle, suddenly its black on white.  Does that tell us these colors are interchangable?  That the sides are interchangable, or equivelant to each other?

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Episode 6x05 / What happened to Richard? Sawyer?
« on: March 03, 2010, 12:05:47 PM »
When last we saw Sawyer, he was Unlocke's travelling companion.  Did Smokey ditch Sawyer?

And last we saw, Richard was heading as fast as he could to the temple.  Smokey beat him by at least half a day, after taking a detour to go pick up Claire?

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Episode 6x04 / Sawyer's life expectancy? recruited = infected?
« on: February 25, 2010, 04:16:44 PM »
I'm wondering, just what does it mean to be recruited by Smokey?

I believe that there is a strong relationship between being recruited and being infected.  In fact, they may very well be one and the same.

It seems necessary to die and to have a dead body to become infected and reanimated.

Christian's body was delivered to the island.  Although we have no direct proof he's infected, he's been walking around, and although it didn't seem so at the time, I believe he has been acting as Smokey's agent.

Claire, I believe, died when the rocket hit her house in New Otherton (see Mile's comment afterwards).  Since that time, the temple-folk claim she's infected.  She now calls Smokey her friend.  Oh, and if we believe the temple-folk / others to be on Jacob's side in all this, then its worth noting that the Other soldier guy she captured last week made mention of the fact that Claire's been killing their people.

So here we have two people helping Smokey.  Both apparently died.  Both, I would say, are infected.

Me thinks that this does not bode well for dear Sawyer.  Iliana said Smokey had gone recruiting.  So far, it seems Smokey is just trying to convince Sawyer and manipulate him.  But if he's to in fact recruit Sawyer, does that ultimately mean Sawyer dies by Smokey's hand and becomes infected?  Could it be that *gasp* Sawyer already died off camera (perhaps being so distraught over Juliette, he killed himself between his escape from the temple and when Smokey finds him) and what we saw last week was not just the recruitment process, but somehow the process of him being infected?



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Episode 6x04 / Piano...
« on: February 24, 2010, 02:28:45 AM »
Possibly a symbol of imprisonment, confinement, repression?

Seeing David play the piano reminded me that some of the other characters we've seen play...

Of course David himself feels constrained because he can't disappoint his dad...

Faraday in his flashback, but dear old mom puts a stop to that so that he can focus on his destiny

Jack and Ben both play in Otherton at various points - both are held prisoner at the time IIRC

And, IIRC, Sun was also taking piano lessons as a child

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Episode 6x03 / Did Sawyer know about the numbers beforehand?
« on: February 17, 2010, 01:11:52 PM »
I'm trying to think back - and I don't think Sawyer ever discussed the numbers with Hurley, or ever entered them into the hatch computer.  Just thinking in light of the fact that he didn't say to Flocke last night "Hey, why are these the same numbers that Hurley won the lottery with, or that we entered into the hatch computer???"

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Thinking back to the season 4 finale, Jack says to Locke, in one of their classic Science / Faith duels:

"Its an island, John. It doesn't need protecting!"

Sounds awfully similar to Flocke's dismissal of Jacob's protection of the island.

Everything we've heard from Flocke has been very pragmatic, very grounded in logic.  Faith never seems to enter into it with him. Flocke claims he wouldn't have kept Richard in the dark.  Whereas Richard (and Ben, and all of the other Other's who never even saw Jacob) seem to be following Jacob based only on their faith.   

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Episode 6x02 / The Three Heads Of Cerberus???
« on: February 10, 2010, 11:53:30 AM »
After watching last nights episode, combined with what's come before, I'm thinking Smokey indeed has three "heads", if you will...

a) Smoke Monster
b) MIB / Flocke / ability to take human form
c) the disease / ability to infect / claim someone

I'm not entirely sure that "C" is Smokey, or some other force at play.  Certainly at the end of season 4, and given what's come since, I feel that Christian Shepard is at this point Smokey manifesting himself, and that Claire (after she survives the attack on New Otherton, and particularly in the Cabin scene with Locke and Christian) is pretty much a Smokey minion. 


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Episode 6x01 / So does Sun know English in the new timeline?
« on: February 03, 2010, 11:34:57 PM »
I guess when i watched I thought she was BS'ing to the lady customs officer who told her if she spoke English to speak up.  But now I'm wondering if this version of Sun knows english at all?  Thoughts?

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Episode 5x16 / Cooper's Death vs. Jacob's Death
« on: May 14, 2009, 07:32:40 PM »
Probably means little in the greater scheme of things, but I was thinking about similarities & differences between the deaths of Cooper and Jacob.

Locke manipulates Sawyer into killing Cooper.
"Locke" manipulates Ben into killing Jacob.

Sawyer kills Cooper to redress past grievances & past deceptions.
Ben kills Jacob to redress past grievances & past deceptions(?).

Cooper was a con man.
Cooper's killer (Sawyer) was a con man.

Jacob is perhaps a con man or a phoney of sorts (we don't know yet)
Jacob's killer (Ben) is probably, until now, the show's ultimate con man.


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If what Farraday last night said is correct, things can be changed, that going back to the Island circa 1977 wasn't the 815'ers destiny ... that in fact there may not be any such thing as destiny... if 'whatever happened didn't necessarily happen' so-to-speak.

Then, IMHO, it sure makes it seem Man-Of-Science 'new' Jack's path toward the 'light' or 'dark' side of that faithful Force symbolized by destiny loving Man-Of-Faith Locke was 180 degrees in the wrong direction.  How much shall we bet that Jack returns to his Man-of-Science nature and 'Old' Jack re-emerges, stronger than ever, dismissing Locke and all of his faith/destiny mumbo-jumbo, and that his rediscovery of his scientific roots was Shepherded in by fellow Man of Science Dr. Daniel Farraday? 

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Episode 5x14 / "For the first time in a long time..."
« on: April 30, 2009, 02:59:47 AM »
"For the first time in a long time, I don't know what's going to happen next" -- Eloise Hawking

Does this mean Jack, Kate, or one of the other 815'ers gives 1977 Eloise a brain dump and tells her everything that happened up until the point where they left the future and headed back to 1977 (which would have been right before this scene)?  Is *that* how she knows so much?

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