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Episode 5x16 / Re: What Alex said...
« on: January 27, 2010, 04:04:14 PM »
I had a very similar thought while re-watching this episode, but I refuted it this way:  MIB, as Locke, still needed to appear to be, in all ways, Locke.  If he knew what Ben promised Smoke-Alex, then he could reveal that he really wasn't a resurrected Locke.  Also, Ben has usually proven to be dishonest.  He could have been surprised that Ben actually intended to do what he promised. 

Not sure if this is really related, but I remember reading an interview with Michael Emerson, and in it he mentioned that Ben hadn't yet decided that he would kill Jacob even when he entered the statue.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: NOT the Incident
« on: January 27, 2010, 03:50:19 PM »


Where in the bible does it say it was an apple tree??

It doesn't - but if it was an orange tree, Eve probably would've thought it was too much trouble.

BAM!! I like you already. LOL

Also, I was under the impression that everything in the show was mapped out.... it isn't?  Well if that's the case, the likelihood of the bomb being a reset button is a great way for the writers to get out of the confusing narratives they're currently in.  However, I really hope it isn't a reset.  I like the confusing stuff.

Now where did you get the impression everything was mapped out?? Or am I not understanding what you mean by mapped out??

I thought that the main events of the show were basically decided from the beginning, like "Ok, at the end of the 5th season, we're going to detonate a bomb!"  Although I realize that certain characters may have received more focus or what not based on viewer reaction, I thought that the main story was already written.  I just remember reading that the Adam and Eve skeletons were placed in the very beginning of the show to prove that.  I don't know, though.  I also remember reading that Eko was supposed to be more significant in the grand scheme of the show, but his part was re-written.  So... I guess I could be wrong about the whole mapped-out thing.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: NOT the Incident
« on: January 26, 2010, 03:51:05 PM »


Where in the bible does it say it was an apple tree??

It doesn't - but if it was an orange tree, Eve probably would've thought it was too much trouble.

Also, I was under the impression that everything in the show was mapped out.... it isn't?  Well if that's the case, the likelihood of the bomb being a reset button is a great way for the writers to get out of the confusing narratives they're currently in.  However, I really hope it isn't a reset.  I like the confusing stuff.

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Episode 5x16 / I noticed something about the fire...
« on: July 20, 2009, 05:24:44 PM »
I'm not sure if this has been commented on elsewhere (if it has, I didn't find it).  Anyway, I'm re-watching the whole series, and in the season 2 episode "Two for the Road," when Sawyer is reading the "Bad Twin" manuscript, Jack rips the ending off and tosses it into the fire.  Since a lot of people are assuming Jacob and that other guy are twins of a sort, that some interesting foreshadowing.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: So what is the statue?
« on: May 28, 2009, 01:37:41 AM »
I haven't read this entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been provided.  Here's the link to the abc.com recap that confirms the statue's identity: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« on: May 28, 2009, 12:22:31 AM »
I'm going to go ahead and guess that they will actually reboot, and that they have changed things.  I'm sure they'll still be on the Island, but I think the bomb will change what the future would have been.  I'll list a few reasons:

1. Didn't Faraday change the past during the jumps when he went to see Desmond?  Also, didn't he change the past by burying Jughead?  (I might be way off here, since I'm operating on memory only)  He told The Others to bury it before they ended up in 1977, and the radiation emitting from Jughead could have caused the baby problem.  Since he changed the past by having the bomb buried, there was no baby problem, and we saw a baby born in Dharmaville.   

2. Also concerning Faraday, he was off-Island for three years working on his plan.  Given that he's a genius, I'm guessing he's a good source to trust.  (Weak point, I know)

3. Jacob and Man#2's conversation seems to support the idea.  Jacob insisted that there is always choice - the human variable of Faraday's explanation, if you will.  Man#2 thought that everything is destined to be a certain way, judging by the absolute statement he makes about how everything ends.  Since Jacob seems to have selected the individuals that helped bring about the detonation, maybe that was his way of proving Man#2 wrong.  Man#2 knew this by Jacob's "last" words, and that's why he reacted in anger and proceeded to kick Jacob into the fire.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Locke wearing a suit
« on: May 21, 2009, 02:54:02 PM »
This isn't exactly related to this episode but here goes:

When Locke went to visit Walt, Walt said he dreamt that he was on the beach wearing a suit surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him.  I took this as the scene's when we saw him standing on the beach upon his return to the island......but technically at that point he wasn't wearing a suit, yes trousers and a shirt, but not a full suit. HOWEVER, now that he is on the beach again (all be it dead, or so we think) he is wearing a full suit, tie included.  Could this be the scene that Walt dreamt??????????

Let me know your thoughts

Well, when they dumped Locke's body out of the crate, he was wearing a suit, and he was surrounded by people.  Those people probably want to hurt Locke, just not the one in a suit.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Jacob's and Esau's accents?
« on: May 21, 2009, 02:49:14 PM »
Is this really an issue?  I really don't think their accents and hair styles needs an explaination.

It might be a clue to some of the things going on, but I am leaning toward your way of thinking on this. I don't see it as being really important, but it might be.

I think it's worth at least thinking about.  There's a strong possibility that the writers gave them American accents because they wanted them to be culturally neutral to the primary audience.  They're obviously not averse to giving their characters accents in order to make their origins more realistic - hey, they even altered Jin's accent a bit after giving him three years of practice.  To the average person audience, Jacob and Man#2 have no accent; therefore, their origins are mysterious.       

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Biblical References
« on: May 21, 2009, 10:46:38 AM »
I think there are some definite biblical references, and Jacob as a Christ figure would be plausible; that is a common thing found in litereture.  I also think there are clear references to other religions - how about Taoism?  Aren't there yin-yangs in some Dharma signs?  There certainly is one in the backround of one of Juliet's flashbacks (on top of an octogon and everything).  There are certainly light/dark contrasts everywhere, and maybe Jacob's real motivation is to attain the proper balance. 

When George Lucas wrote Star Wars, he researched all sorts of religions, so it makes sense that Lost's writers did the same (after all, they've got plenty of Star Wars influence).   

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Episode 5x16 / Re: in the SHADOW?
« on: May 21, 2009, 09:36:51 AM »
I figured that since there's an open ceiling to Jacob's home in the statue, there would always be some sort of shadow cast there, even if it was high noon.  While there was no obvious opening in the ceiling while the statue was standing, it stands to reason that there was, simply because Jacob's fire would have to have some ventilation.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Hurley and MIles talk to dead Jacob and locke
« on: May 21, 2009, 12:15:52 AM »
It seems to me that Hurley can really only talk to people he knew, while Miles can talk to whoever he wants, so it is probably more likely that Hurley will chat with Locke, and Miles will see what's up with Jacob.

Maybe since Hurley had that conversation with Jacob, he'll be able to see him.  Miles isn't able to really converse with the dead, is he?  When he explained his power, he seemed to say that he really only gets "vibes" or something from the deceased, and he doesn't really talk to them.  Of course there is that scene where he finds hidden money in the deceased boy's room...


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Episode 5x16 / Re: Jacob's and Esau's accents?
« on: May 20, 2009, 09:28:44 AM »
Well, there are two possibilities that are so fool proof, there is no way to shoot them down.

1) Maybe the modern English they were speaking IS the "people who lived on an island 200 years ago" accent.

I actually remember reading someplace that the English accent of Shakespeare's time was actually closer to a modern American accent than a modern English accent. I can't remember how they worked this out or why one nation would retain an accent when another evolved - but there you go. I might Google the subject tomorrow when I'm off work.

I've talked to people from England who consider the American accent correct pronunciation, and the British accent a butchering of the language.  I always thought it was the other way around. 

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Episode 5x16 / Re: There's more to Lipedous than meets the eye
« on: May 20, 2009, 09:19:05 AM »
I like the idea - I think it could be something.  After all, he's going to be a "candidate" for something, so he's got to be pretty important.   

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Hurley's Guitar case.....????
« on: May 18, 2009, 02:38:17 PM »
The thing I've always wondered is why it was so buoyant when he was in the lake.  I don't know for sure (because I'm not willing to test it), but I'm pretty sure even my acoustic guitar in its case would sink in a lake.

Although, if there wasn't a guitar in the case, they probably would have directed Jacob's line differently as far as emphasis. 

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Episode 5x16 / Re: why wasn't Jacob at Juliet's flashback?
« on: May 18, 2009, 12:11:46 PM »
I don't think the bomb went off.  (I think Desmond's turning the failsafe key actually exploded the bomb and neutralized the EM energy at the Swan site.)  In super-slow-mo it looks like there's a flash of light with Juliet's hand and the bomb still intact, so I think that flash is just the same old release of the EM energy that always happened.  Jack et al. didn't prevent The Incident, they just played their part in it.

I do think all of our Losties (including Juliet) will time-jump to 2007.  According to the rules, people time-jump to the exact same physical location on the Island.  In 2007, Juliet's position at the bottom of the drill set would correspond to the bottom of the exploded out pit where the Swan used to be.  It looked to me like the eye opening in the preview for 2010 was Juliet's eye, anyway.

I kind of hope everyone doesn't time-jump back to 2007.  It'd be fitting for Miles to stay in 1977 and get to be with his dad.  Rose & Bernard could stay in 1977, live out the rest of their lives and end up as skeletons in the cave by 2004.


I thought I heard the producers say in an interview that the time-travel stuff wouldn't be in season 6.

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