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Episode 5x16 / Re: the ashes around the cabin
« on: May 14, 2009, 02:17:48 AM »
As for the break in the ashes, perhaps it happened when Hurley stumbled upon the cabin.  I recall he tripped.  Maybe at that time, he stirred up enough forest litter to cover the ashes, and accidentally, ironically, let out Esau.

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Ben is not on the island yet.  He will be there soon though.

Lostpedia pegs Ben's birth in the early 60s:
   http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_Linus
Which means he arrived on the island sometime between 1969-1972, given that he looked about 9ish when he arrived.  SO, that means he was ~11-15 yo the three years Juliet et. al. are hanging at the DI.  The purge happens in 1992, 15 years after the events in LaFleur, putting Ben in his late 20s, which seems about right.

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Episode 5x08 / Re: At one time they could have children.
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:51:46 AM »
I took that as they did not have a doctor on the island to deliver them.

The problems we saw started at the start of the third trimester. So it would of already have happened to Amy.

I think making that guy an internist and not a full doctor was meant to cloud the issue a bit longer for us.  Which I understand - gotta keep us guessing about some mysteries as they resolve others.

I'm guessing the two Others who killed Paul and were kidnapping Amy points to a conscious plan by Richard to get Amy for her baby.  That suggests that the Others may already be experiencing a baby problem.  Perhaps being on the Island longer, they've begun to show the effects before the pregnant Dharma women, who, tho experiencing greater complications, can still give birth. 

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Episode 5x08 / Re: Does Goodspeed know Sawyer is lying??
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:43:43 AM »
Horace clearly is unaware that James has been lying.  Horace is not a leader chosen for leadership qualities.  He's a scientist turned bureaucrat.  Just like our new Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_Energy
And remember, James has played 2nd Lieutenant to Locke during an intense period, and also was around Ben a lot.  Some leadership skills surely rubbed off.  That allowed James to put in place a secret surveillance program (for the O6's return) right under Horace's nose. 
  Say what you will, but the non-Redshirt Losties have survived the crucible, and are more capable against their enemies because of it. Reminds me of Frank Herbert's central theme from the Dosadi Experiment.

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Ben came to the Island in the late 60s, and my guess he was 8-10yo then.  So, when Juliet et. al. are in their heyday among the DI in 1977, Ben would have to be 16-18yo.  Now, you'd think Ben would later remember Juliet et. al. from their years back in the 70s listening to Jeronimo Jackson and driving those powder-blue Jeeps.  I'm curious how this will be squared away.

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Episode 5x08 / Re: Where's Olivia?
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:16:17 AM »
That both Amy & Horace have lost their previous spouses suggests that Horace's question to James, about how long it takes to get over someone, could equally apply to Amy and himself.

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Episode 5x08 / Re: Richard needing the body?
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:13:23 AM »
If the two Others did kill Paul for no good reason, and thus were the instigators in breaking the truce, I'm a bit surprised that Richard didn't take more responsibility for their actions.  Which suggests two possibilities:
   1) Richard is not in total control of his people, or factions of his people.
   2) The two Others did this on orders for Richard.  Which begs the question: why kidnap Amy?  Only if she is more valuable that she otherwise was made to appear.  Or, the Others were looking to grab the baby, i.e. the baby is valuable.

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Episode 5x08 / Re: Sawyer and Juliet
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:06:49 AM »
What I really loved about what we saw tonight was that Sawyer seemed like he was all grown up.  He showed that he has matured and grown as a character more than any of our original castaways.  Could you ever imagine him in a serious relationship like that?  He told her Juliet that he loved her!!  And he did it almost matter-of-factly, as if this has been serious for a while!

On top of that, he was acting like such a leader tonight - taking control of the situation when they first realized they were stuck in the 70's, becoming a security boss for Dharma, having a strong relationship with Goodspeed and actually was giving him advice and offering wisdom.  We saw some serious character growth tonight.

This is dead on.  I remember last season a comment that Sawyer's character was all played out.  I'm glad they found a new direction for James.  And who would've thought that such a touching episode would revolve around the maturation of Sawyer?

I'm also glad for Juliet.  A cruel ex-husband, a married man, then a man using her to provoke jealousy in his true love... it's about time she had someone who could focus on her.  Let's hope that James show his nobility and doesn't become conflicted by the return of Freckles.

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Episode 5x08 / Re: 2 weeks from tonight
« on: March 05, 2009, 12:52:46 AM »
The extra free time is a subtle way to encourage us to get our taxes done.  And much appreciated!

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Episode 5x07 / Re: Who left with Lapidus???
« on: February 27, 2009, 03:03:24 AM »
I like the notion that Frank follows the lead of stronger characters, pointing to a mission of Sun's to find Jin.  If Helen and grandpa Shephard come, it'll be later, maybe in a balloon.  There's enough variables to digest for now, so I'm sure those two wildcards wouldn't be dealt to us for a while.  My crazy theory is that Sayid hooks up with that happiest of couples, Rose & Bernard.  Somebody's got to bring those two back for an appearance, and keep their fan club happy.  Hopefully they're not back on the beach with flaming arrows in their backs...

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Episode 5x07 / Re: Widmore's Time on the Island
« on: February 27, 2009, 01:55:19 AM »
What I also wonder is, if this is the first time that we've seen the camera at the "exit"  Why wasn't it there when Ben showed up, and if it was.  If I was Widmore and soon as I started getting rich, first thing I"m doing is setting up the cameras to see who else is coming off and gathering them up.  Plus wouldn't the guys watching it know who Ben is and send more then two of them?  Since they should have known he was dangerous.  But know that I'm thinking about it, the guys who went to get Ben were freaking out.  Makes me wonder if they were the same fetchers like Lockes.

Locke's chat with Sayid establishes that Locke popped through the portal 2 or 3 years after Ben.  Obviously Widmore was only loosely having it watched at the time of Ben's arrival, and beefed up security protocols afterwards, prior to Locke's arrival.

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Episode 5x04 / Re: Miles has been on the island before
« on: February 05, 2009, 02:24:01 AM »
So more time on the island correlates to more radiation, and a greater propensity for nosebleeds/getting stuck in time, and eventually, death.  However, those on the island when the flash first occurred, who were clearly immune, were the Others.  Either some protection provided by the island upon passing a rite of passage, ala killing your own father, or being born on the island (which came to an end with the sickness), prevents you from getting unstuck in time. 

That would explain Juliet's nosebleed/shifting, as she only arrived 3 yrs ago, and even if she passes any rituals to become an Other, she then got branded with that eight spoked star tattoo (ala the donkey wheel Ben turned), so she was essentially severed from the Borg collective, so to speak, and left untethered in time.

But to explain, say, Miles, who may have been born to Candlewick and later left the island, would suggest that being born on the island isn't what provides protection from nosebleeds/shifting.  Remember that Richard Alpert has left the island before, too, but no nosebleed/shifting for him.  When the first flash occurred, John shifted, but Richard, along with the rest of the Others camp, did not.  Obviously John was chosen to be a leader of the Others, but was not given protection from time shifting. Curious.

So, it would seem the only remaining source of protection would be becoming an Other.  A true Other.  Which begs the question: what of Cindy and the children abducted from the Losties?  They can't have all killed their fathers.  So, was merely being on "The List" sufficient to gain Otherness?  I don't recall John being on "The List".  Perhaps all that confusion about picking the knife as a child kept him off "The List". 

An explanation appears to be getting rather complex...

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Episode 5x04 / Jin goes with the island...but the helicopter does not?
« on: February 05, 2009, 02:00:23 AM »
Goes with island:
   Zodiak, between boat & shore, elevation = 0
   Jin, near exploded boat within 5 miles of shore, elevation = 0

Does not go with island:
   Helicopter with O6, probably got to within a couple miles from shore, elevation = ~1000ft

So, both the Zodiak & the helicopter were closer to the shoreline than Jin, but it was Jin that goes with the island and not the helicopter.  Hmmm....  I'm thinking that the island's radius of protection is shaped like a bell curve - or like the gravity well illustrated on Dan's Oxford lab's chalkboard.  A good illustration is the red curve in the top graph found here:   
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
Jin, if at the coordinates (-2,0), could go with the island, while the helicopter, if at the coordinates (-1.5,.2), might not. 

Do you think we'll ever get a clear explanation of this possible discrepancy, or was this just a plot contrivance by the writers, never to be explained?

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Episode 5x04 / Re: Who sent Sun the package?
« on: February 05, 2009, 01:14:51 AM »
What I want to know is what is up with Sun this season?  I can't figure out whose side she's on, who's she's angry at, who she wants revenge against . . . She's got me confused

I've said it before, that tho the payout to the O6 might be sizable, there's no way it would be enough for her to buy a controlling stake in a large South Korean industrial company.  But she did.  And what did she do with all this industrial might? She sought out Widmore herself - no Jin-like henchmen or intermediaries.  Then she abandons her child to go place her own hit on Ben.  So far, a total waste of the resources at her disposal.

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Episode 5x04 / Re: Best Lines Tonight
« on: February 05, 2009, 01:02:50 AM »
Sayid: "Who was that?"

Ben, matter of factly: "That's my lawyer."

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