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Episode 6x16 / A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:37:58 PM »
I saw this on another site (Lostpedia, maybe?)...thought it did a great job of summing up "Lost" and it's 6 year run:


"First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.


In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding."

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Episode 6x14 / Attempting To Answer My Own "Lost" Questions LOL
« on: May 13, 2010, 11:05:24 PM »
Ok, I've asked a lot of questions this season, so I'm gonna try and answer them somewhat logically:

Q: Why did Widmore want Ben and sent the mercenaries out to get him? Seems that now Widmore's only desire is to keep Smokie/MiB/Whichever from leaving the island.

A: Well, what if Widmore somehow "knows" the events of the future? He WAS married (or involved, anyway) with Eloise, who we know does know the events of the future. And remember when Desmond was trying to find Daniel's mother after he got off the island and was talking to Widmore? Widmore said something to him like "Go deliver your message" to Eloise, even though Des never mentioned wanting to deliver a message. Screw up in the script? Or was that a sign that Widmore already knew ahead of time that Desmond was going to seek out Eloise and give her Daniel's message?

Well, if we do believe that Widmore has some insight into the future, that might help explain why he wanted Ben: because Ben was going to end up killing BOTH Locke and Jacob, and without either one dead MiB can't do his thing. Remember, Widmore met Locke at the "entry point" after turning the donkey wheel (how did he know Locke would be there? Eloise again?), and told Locke that he was going to make sure he didn't die (Locke told Widmore he was supposed to die). So if Widmore DID know in advance all the crap Ben was going to cause though his actions, I can see a possibility of Widmore constantly trying to find the island before Ben can do his damage. Also remember this:

From "The Shape Of Things To Come":

BEN: Iraq is lovely this time of year. When did you start sleeping with a bottle of scotch by the bed?

WIDMORE: When the nightmares started.

Widmore kept that scotch by his bed, and he said he did so ever since having the nightmares. Maybe those nightmares were due to knowing what will happen if MiB/Smokie/Whatever ends up leaving the island.


Q: Is Smokie Jacob's brother? Or rather, is Jacob's brother now Smokie?

A: Nope. Smokie is no more Jacob's brother than he is Locke. One slightly interesting exchange from I think season 3, was this one:

From "The Cost Of Living":

EKO: Yemi!

[Yemi turns around and heads out through the jungle.]

EKO: Wait! Yemi!

[Eko goes after Yemi, who has disappeared.]

EKO: Yemi! You say you want to hear my confession! Why? Why now, eh? Show yourself! Where are you! Where!

[Yemi appears across from Eko in a field of waist-high plants with red flowers. Eko walks over to him.]

YEMI: Are you ready, Eko?

EKO: Yes. I am ready, Yemi.

[Eko pulls out the cross and raises it. Yemi reaches out to caress it but does not take it.]

EKO: I ask for no forgiveness, Father. For I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive.

[Yemi lets his hand fall from the cross and Eko lowers it.]

EKO: A small boy once asked me if I was a bad man. If I could answer him now, I would tell him that... when I was a young boy, I killed a man to save my brother's life. I am not sorry for this. I am proud of this!

[Eko drops to his knees in front of Yemi and spreads his arms out.]

EKO: I did not ask for the life that I was given. But it was given, nonetheless. And with it... I did my best.

[Yemi stares down into Eko's eyes. He looks angry.]

YEMI: [Almost in disgust] You speak to me as if I were your brother.

[Eko cringes back from him, scared and angry.]

EKO: Who are you?


Now, it would be cool if MiB said to Jacob at some point "You speak to me as if I am your brother" lol :D...but I thought it at least mildly interesting that we are wondering whether or not Smokie is Jacob's brother, and yet 3 seasons ago Smokie was basically telling us that he's not what he physically appears to be, he's never what he physically appears to be. I know that in the context of the transcript above, "Yemi's" comment could sound like he's disowning Eko as his brother for not being repentant. And that very well may be true, but I think it also serves a dual purpose: to both show fake Yemi's disgust in Eko and to say pretty bluntly "I'm not your brother"...and Eko's question immediately afterwards--"Who are you?"--shows that Eko at that point realized that whatever it was that was standing in front of him, was definitely NOT Yemi...in fact, it seemed to scare him quite a bit.

So, for now anyway, I'm going on the belief that MiB was merely Smokie taking the form of Jacob's brother, and using what it "scanned" of Jacob's brother's memories and character and using it for its own manipulative purposes. And let's face it, he's done it over and over again (appearing as Alex to Ben, for instance). And am I the only one who thinks it's possible that Smokie didn't appear as Christian in order to lead Jack back to the caves for fresh water, but instead lead him there so that he would find "His" body and his mother's body? Now why he would WANT to do that, I don't know lol.


Q: Who and what are the Others?

A: They're a creation of Richard. I'm pretty sure Jacob didn't have any followers until he decided to "hire" Richard and give him eternal life (or at least age him incredibly slowly). Richard, in turn, tried to get those who crashed onto the island to believe in and start following Jacob's philosophy. And after seeing what Jacob experienced growing up on the island--isolation, fear of outsiders, his brother going to the other side (no pun intended lol), his mother and brother's belief that all humans are greedy, destructive, violent and selfish...perhaps Jacob felt a need to reform and convert the humans who did find their way onto the island from "across the sea". Of course, the reality that Jacob himself (along with his fake mom) is DEFINITELY violent himself is ironic, to say the least. But, hey, as Ben constantly said, "We're the good guys". Quite the rationalization.

Not to mention Richard was probably pretty lonely lol. He would have preferred having others (again no pun intended) to talk to, interact with, etc, etc. I can't imagine walking around the jungle alone for all eternity would be considered much fun. Now, how he got them to believe in Jacob and live by his life philosophy, I have no clue whatsoever. Right now I'm just taking the Others as being, in addition to Richard's creation, a symbol of organized religion and how it has its tenets and dogma, and how organized religions throughout history have used violence against people "In God's/Allah's/Mother Nature's/Pick A Diety's name", and the Others are doing so in Jacob's name. Especially when someone claims to speak for that diety as Ben claimed to do.


Q: Why didn't Jacob (or his fake mom, for that matter) just kill all the people who shipwrecked onto the island instead of letting them live there for decades, THEN killing them all when they felt the need?

A: My guess is that it's biblical in nature. The Bible has its share of moments where God apparently decided that "Enough's enough", and either destroys a city or country, or the entire world in case of Noah and the ark lol.

In particular I'm thinking of the story of the Tower of Babel. Basically, it goes that all of mankind worked together to build a tower so massive that it reached into heaven, and they did this in order to worship and honor not God, but themselves. They wanted a name and place as mighty and important as God's (more or less, I'm summarizing here, folks) and felt the tower would be their avenue to achieving that goal. Well, God said "I don't THINK so!" and destroyed the tower and scattered humankind all over the world, giving us each different languages in order to keep us from being able to do something like this ever again. No gold stars for team work lol.

Well, instead of building a tower upward, the shipwrecked survivors of Jacob's time--and the Dharma folks of the 70s--were digging downward, towards an earthly "heaven" in which "life, death, rebirth" reside. And they want to drill into this "heaven" not for God's glory, but for man's own selfishness and greed and glory. So, I'm guessing that much like God let the people of Babel exist until they came close to reaching the heavens with their incredible tower, "Fake" mom and Jacob let people live on the island until THEY started reaching down into the "heavens" for all the wrong reasons. At that point, they'z gots to go! lol...The shipwrecked people lived for a long time until they started digging into the light. At that point, once fake mom found out she couldn't let them go on with what they were doing. The Dharma people were allowed to reside on the island in a pact with the Others, until they drilled too deep into the earthly "heaven". In the original timeline, there's no bomb and the swan hatch gets completed, and it's sometime after the deep digging that the purge is carried out...possibly for the same reasons? Just a guess.

Anyway, that's it for now lol. Still too many questions that need to be address in my eyes, but I thought I'd try to answer them as well instead of just getting irritated that these questions still exist.

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Episode 6x11 / Did Dr. Candle Age?
« on: April 16, 2010, 02:25:44 PM »
30 years passed. He barely had a wrinkle. Yet Eloise aged like a mf lol.

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Episode 6x11 / Sayid, Desmond, and Flocke
« on: April 14, 2010, 03:52:28 AM »
Sayid supposedly tied up Desmond because he didn't want him running away before FLocke could talk to him.

Yet we saw last week that Desmond happily and willingly left with Desmond, even said "Of course, lead the way" when Sayid said Dez needed to follow him. It made me wonder why he didn't just take Dez straight to FLocke since Desmond was completely serene and content in adhering to Sayid's wishes. I know that maybe Sayid felt FLocke should be shown Desmond privately...although I'm not exactly sure why. And how did Sayid know that Desmond what who/what Widmore's people had locked away on the sub? Did Des tell him on the way to FLocke's camp? lol

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When Dez and FLocke were alone at the well, FLocke wanted to know why Desmond wasn't afraid. I'm assuming here that FLocke was beginning to understand that Desmond's lack of fear was due to some higher understanding of everything, perhaps, and that made him dangerous in some way? Yet Dez claimed that FLocke was really Locke (not that I buy that he really believed he was lol). Did MIB see through that after seeing Dez unnerved at being alone with him in the middle of the jungle?..."He knows I'm not really Locke. He knows how dangerous I am. He's not afraid of being out here with me, at all...something's wrong, here."

Or was FLocke's question about Dez' lack of fear more of a dropping of pretenses? "Look, you know what I'm about to do to you, why I brought you out here, who I really am...why aren't you afraid?"

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Did Desmond's running over of Locke somehow weaken or effect FLocke in the original timeline? If Locke dies in the alternate timeline does that somehow connect to FLocke's actions? Or was Des simply getting revenge for FLocke pushing him down the well? lol




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Episode 6x10 / "Doesn't change that we're gonna..."
« on: April 07, 2010, 01:51:21 AM »
What was Zoe about to tell Desmond before Sayid attacked her guys? She asked why Desmond was suddently so cooperative, Dez says "a lot can happen in 20 minutes"...she says she thought they fried his brain, then says "whatever...doesn't change that we're gonna..."

Zoe seemed almost sarcastic (or suspicious, maybe?) about whatever Desmond went through, and seemed like she was saying whatever he DID go through was irrelevant considering what they were about to do to him. Maybe. lol. Maybe Sayid was actually right and Widmore's people ARE extremely dangerous. I'm not thinking so right now, but who knows.

Any idea/clues/theories as to what Widmore and his people are gonna do?

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Episode 6x10 / So Is Sayid Back To Normal?
« on: April 07, 2010, 12:47:16 AM »
He definitely didn't seem like the "I feel nothing" zombie of past episodes. His recognition of Desmond from last week: did that trigger something in Sayid or was finding and bringing Desmond to MIB his mission all along?


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Episode 6x09 / Do Jacob Or MIB "Hate Technology"?
« on: April 02, 2010, 04:17:00 AM »
From the episode "The Man Behind The Curtain", when Ben takes Locke to see Jacob in his cabin for the first time, Ben instructs Locke to turn off his flashlight because "Jacob hates technology as much as you do" (or words to that effect). Locke does as told.

Later, when Locke is thinking Ben's BS'ing him about Jacob being in the chair, he starts to leave. When he does, he hears what he assumes is Jacob say "Help me" in almost a whisper. Locke turns around to see who said that, and turns on his flashlight when he does. Then all hell breaks loose in the cabin with everything shaking and flying around, the place going berserk. Locke runs from the cabin frightened, then views the cabin from the outside, and sees that it is actually sitting calimly just as before.

So: with us now finding out more about Jacob and finding out completely about MIB, I gotta ask: is there anything in either of these two character's stories that would make it seem like they "hate technology" to the point of them making the inside of the cabin go bonkers simply from having a flashlight aimed in their direction?

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Episode 6x08 / So Was MIB Or Jacob "Isabella"? Or Neither?
« on: March 24, 2010, 07:29:14 PM »
MIB = Isabella...but:

MIB has always needed the dead body of those he "inhabits" to be on the island first. Isabella's body was not on the island, so how could he use it? Yemi's body was, so he could appear as him to Ecko. Christian's body was, so he could appear as Christian to Jack (well, if that really WAS MIB as Christian lol). Locke's body needed to be returned to the island so that MIB could inhabit it, or at least manifest itself to look like him.

So it would seem that MIB needs the body of the dead person to actually be physically on the island first, wouldn't it? Unless I've missed some Smokie manifestations that were of people who had never been to the island--Ben's mother, perhaps? Or was that "really" her? "Dave", maybe? Nah, Dave was always imaginary, we were shown this during a Hurley flashback.

Or is it just a script screw up? lol

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Episode 6x08 / Jacob Baptizing Richard
« on: March 24, 2010, 08:13:01 AM »
Kinda interesting how Jacob basically baptized Richard by dunking him in the water, more or less saying he was "born again" after that (since Richard thought he was already dead). And they even had Jacob giving Richard eternal life after the baptism lol.

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Episode 6x07 / So Was Christian Really The MIB?
« on: March 17, 2010, 06:58:43 AM »
The assumption is that he was...that every manifestation of a human being was smokie doing his thing. But there are some inconsistencies (kinda):

- Christian appeared in the cabin with Claire right after she disappeared. When asked about Aaron, Locke was told "He's where he is supposed to be" (or words to that effect). Claire seemed completely content with that knowledge. Now, however, MIB is saying that Claire was unhinged due to not knowing what happened to Aaron, and he told her the people in the temple had him to "give her something to hate". If that was really MIB as Christian in the cabin with Claire, why did he calm her so much and reassure her about Aaron being "where he's supposed to be", then later tell her that basically Aaron is NOT "where he's supposed to be" and fester her anger and hate?

- Christian in the cabin ended up telling Locke that he had to move the island in order to save it. Yet MIB keeps telling everyone that the island doesn't NEED saving or protecting. Why would he tell Locke what to do to save the island, and then do all he could to convince everyone NOT to bother trying to save the island?

- Christian appeared to Jack early in season one, and seemed to almost guide him to the cave and fresh water, as well as show him that his coffin was empty. Why would MIB want to aid and assist Jack in any way by posting as Christian?

- MIB keeps saying that he just wants to leave the island. Yet Christian appeared to Jack off the island, while in the lobby of the hospital, as well as to Michael on the boat. If MIB can leave the island to pose as Christian, then what's keeping him from leaving the island now?

- When Christian appeared to Locke after he fell down the well and told him to turn the "donkey wheel", he mentioned to locke to "tell my son hello" (can't remember if he said this on camera or off). Once Locke is off the island and ends up in a car crash, he is taken to Jack's hospital, which Locke considered fate. While trying to convince Jack to return to the island, and Jack is severely blowing him off, Locke says "Your father says hello". He then goes on to tell Jack that he said his name was Christian, etc, etc. If Christian was really MIB, why would he be giving instructions to Locke to help him get Jack back to the island? I'd think he'd want to keep Jack away from the island, especially seeing how Jacob wants him there.

- Christian told Locke he has to turn the donkey wheel in order to leave the island and get everyone to return--basically, to get all the candidates back on the island. But who has his men waiting there for Locke the split second he is "transported" back off the island? Widmore. It's as if "Christian" sent Locke deliberately back to Widmore. Yet as we saw in today's episode Widmore and MIB are on opposite sides. So did Widmore somehow "know" Locke would eventually appear there, or did "Christian" tip him off to Locke's arrival in order for Widmore and his men to protect Locke from dying (as Widmore said he was intent on doing)? MIB needed Locke to return dead, though...so why would he send Locke into Widmore's waiting and protective arms?

- Why would MIB be helping Sun find Jin? In the episode "Namaste", Christian appeared to be helping and guiding Sun in her quest to find Jin. And as he's talking to her you can faintly see some dark "fog" enter the room in the background. If Christian was/is the MIB 1) why would he be helping Sun, and 2) why would smoke enter the room after he's already taken Christian's form?


MIB as Christian seemed to be doing almost everything in complete contradiction to what MIB as Locke is doing. So is it possible that Christian is someone/something else altogether?

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Episode 6x06 / Ben, The Purge, The Others
« on: March 12, 2010, 05:45:24 AM »
Somebody refresh my memory: did Ben ever say why he ordered the purge of the Dharma people? I can't remember. Did he say it was on the orders of Jacob? We know now that if he did say that he was lying since Jacob never talked to him or interacted with him. But if that's the case, then I'm curious as to why Jacob was hoping he was wrong about Ben and his ability to kill (as Miles indicated), especially after seeing Ben orchestrate the massacre of all those innocent people and realizing he killed Locke as well (I'm assuming Jacob would have known that).

Also, was it ever said why Ben became the leader of the Others? I know Richard told Locke back in 1955 that there was a process to decide who should be the leader...was it ever explained what that process is? (I'm assuming not)

Lastly, if Ben never did actually talk or even interact with Jacob until the moment he killed him, why was Ben so obsessed with giving up everything in service of Jacob and protecting the island? Wouldn't that mean that someone else who CAN interact with Jacob filled Ben in on what Jacob's wants and desires for everyone would be? The thing is, though, Lost made it seem as if Ben used his alleged power to talk to and with Jacob to manipulate himself into power. But if he was told about Jacob by someone else, wouldn't that "someone else" be able to tell all the Others that Ben is lying about talking to Jacob?


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Episode 6x04 / I Don't Get The Sayid Subplot Yet
« on: February 24, 2010, 04:34:17 AM »
At the beginning of the season, Sayid is brought to the temple on Jacob's orders to Hurley. He's dying from a (gunshot?) wound or whatever type of wound it was (weirdly enough I can't remember how he became injured lol).

After the leader of this new group of Others breaks open the wooden ankh and reads the piece of paper inside of it, they take injured Sayid into the temple to try and save him. When Hurley demands to know what the piece of paper says, the wimpy 2nd-in-command guy says something like "It says if your friend dies, we're in big trouble".

After trying to save Sayid in the discolored healing waters and it appears it didn't work, the head "Other" checks Sayid out, and then rather dismissively says something in his own language and walks away. Wimpy 2nd-in-command guy says "Your friend's dead" in matter-of-fact tone and walks away as well. What happened to "If your friend dies, we're in big trouble"? lol...They didn't seem to care too much that he didn't survive.

Then, of course, Sayid actually does come back to life, and the new Others promptly try to kill him again lol...they say he's "infected" (I'm guessing it was evilness/smokie/whatever that discolored the water and entered Sayid's body that way) and that he needs to die because of it. Well, whether Sayid dies from his original injury or he dies from being infected and poisoned, he still ends up dead either way. So what happened to "we're in big trouble" if Sayid doesn't make it? Does it now no longer matter if Sayid lives or dies? And did Jacob know ahead of time that Sayid would end up infected?

So now, apparently the entire temple population is looking at Sayid and freaked out by him...the head Other tried to get him poisoned...they all feel he's "infected" and thus somehow a danger while still alive....but NOBODY tries to kill him other than through the poison pill? Is he now unable to be killed except by poisoning? Nobody's taking aim at him with a bow and arrow and just shooting him through the heart? Rousseau was apparently able to kill off her entire team after they became infected and she just used a gun, not poison...couldn't the Others do the same with Sayid? Maybe not with a gun (although Ben's group of Others had guns and were damn good with them, too lol), but with whatever manpower and weapons they DO have? And why didn't they just kill Sayid while they were torturing him?

Did I miss something important that helps make Sayid's storyline a little less headscratching? lol :)

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Episode 5x16 / Cabin Theory: Jacob?
« on: May 14, 2009, 08:46:41 PM »
Not sure if this has been discussed yet, I was searching the threads and there are a LOT of thread to search lol. Anyway, I have a half-formed possible theory about Jacob and the cabin:

We know that Jacob kept coming and going to the main land to interact with many of the 815 survivors either before the crash (way before in some instances), or after they made it back as the Oceanic 6. He seemed to have all sorts of freedom, for that matter. That's a stark difference from the Jacob in the cabin that said to Locke "Help me"...the one who seemed unable to come and go...the one who seemed to be "trapped" inside the cabin by that circle of ash.

So I had been thinking: we were shown how Jacob was truly free to move about and come and go seemingly at will. But we were never shown where "Esau"/Black Shirt Guy was during all this. Was he not able to come and go and travel at will like Jacob apparently was? Was he doing all of that but it was all just off-camera?

Or, maybe, it was he--and not Jacob--who was trapped in the cabin, and who said to Locke "help me"...and who was kept in place by the circle of ash?

If so, it might explain why Ilana and her crew seemed upset at seeing the ash circle disrupted. Maybe they knew ahead of time that "Esau"/Black Shirt Guy was supposed to be in there, and now he wasn't. Of course, then the question would be why they were heading there to begin with. Maybe the convo Ilana and her sidekick had with Lapidus about needing to show what was inside the crate to someone gave hints as to why they might want/need to stop by the cabin, believing "Esau" to be in there...I don't know.

It also might explain why "Fake" Locke was so enjoying just standing on the beach in the water, and why he absolutely delighted in eating the mango...my assumption was that it was Locke just relishing being alive again, complete with all the small pleasures that go along with it (like eating fresh fruit). But it also could have been "Esau's" reaction at having his freedom once more after being locked up (no pun intended lol) in the cabin for so long, and all the small pleasures that go along with that (once again, like eating a fresh mango, or standing in the waves just enjoying the clear ocean air).

Anyway, I wondered if that theory made any sense or if it's full of holes lol :)

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That was one rough scene to watch  :(...It just seemed like nothing was going right for her this entire episode, and then to watch those last moments of knowing she's about to fall to her death (or so she believed). And kudos to Josh Holloway, because he truly looked devastated at seeing her disappear down the hole.

By the way, this makes three people who took unselfish actions and sacrificed themselves for the better good (Charlie, Desmond, Juliet). One died, one didn't, and one we're not really sure about although she probably did indeed die.

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Episode 5x15 / Are Sawyer And Kate Destined To Be Together?
« on: May 07, 2009, 01:47:05 PM »
No matter where the man goes, Kate is ALWAYS right there behind him lol. He can't even time travel back 30 years into the past without her ending up following along. He finally gets off the island in the sub, and who shows up at the last minute? Kate, and she gets handcuffed next to him and Juliet just to add insult to injury.

So is Sawyer avoiding the inevitable, and Kate will always be in his life (and he in hers)? Or is this all just some REALLY sh*tty luck going on? lol :)

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