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Episode 5x16 / Re: was locke ever special ?
« on: May 15, 2009, 08:58:46 PM »
There is no doubt Jacob wanted Locke to be alive for a reason. Maybe so he himself could be double crossed inorder that he could tripple cross as a result. Ben and Richard will put it to rights.

Episode 5x16 / Re: Jacob a god?
« on: May 15, 2009, 08:27:54 PM »
You can't spell Scientology without Lost.

Do not, I repeat DO NOT diminish tha value of LOST by equating it with scientology.

Not quite going there, but I vote for aliens.   ;D

I'd rather not think about bible stories, so to tie in all the religious elements, I'm leaning toward the idea that "aliens" (or something) showed up and gave everyone all the ideas that led to similar stories in different religions. That's why Jacob keeps bringing people (like the ones on the ship, on 815, etc) to the island even though they always destroyed each other, they ended up with the same result but came up with different interpretations for what was going on every time... I guess what I'm saying is that it's not about religion, but about where religion came from, and how it's all just kind of an accidental development resulting from human nature...

(just not a fan of organized religion, sorry...)

Aren't all the gods in organized religions "aliens" anyway?

Yes. That is the nature of them

Episode 3x21 / Where did they live?
« on: May 17, 2007, 01:18:08 PM »
Over the last few episodes we have come to know that following the purge which killed x-2 or 3 Dharma Ben leads the surviving hostiles + 1 Dharma. Assuming the hostiles are a completely different group of people who predate Dharma, there is no evidence of permanent settlement except perhaps for Jacob's shack, other than running wild, it begs the question where did they live.

Episode 3x21 / Re: Where Was Desmond In The Flashback?
« on: May 17, 2007, 10:01:21 AM »
If I remember correctly other differences are that in FBYE he doesn't put the guitar in case (he puts the signs in the case) and the crowd is different. I don't believe they are the 2 same places in London - will have to have a closer look /check FBYE

Episode 3x21 / Re: Where Did Sayid Get The Blueprints?
« on: May 17, 2007, 09:29:56 AM »
Its water retention

Episode 3x20 / Re: Natives co-mingle with DHARMA
« on: May 12, 2007, 11:54:59 AM »
I don't think Richard is a native for lots of reasons.  Native implies he was born on the island, but then there's just too many questions about who his parents were and how long he's been there and how did he become a scientist and why is he so interested in researching an island he was fricken born on.  It seems to me like Richard is fascinated with the mysteries of the island like any outsider would be, and if he was born on the island then he'd be naturally in tune with it, especially since babies can't be conceived on the island anymore.

The hard evidence is that he's hardly aged since he first met Ben. It is more likely that someone from the island would age like that as opposed to someone that isn't. The rest is based on assumptions.

If Richard is an island native then I don't think he's quite human.  I'm not saying it isn't possible that he really is a native, I'm just saying we should take everything Dharma tells its brand new employees with a grain of salt.

If as you say 'I think he's not quite human' then he's more likely to be from the island. Dharma didn't fib about how he aged it was on the screen.

Episode 3x20 / Re: Natives co-mingle with DHARMA
« on: May 11, 2007, 11:26:55 PM »
The show and its writers have given us reason to believe that Dharma was not the first beings on the island (the ruins, the 4-toed statue, Adam & Eve who apparently died before Dharma arrived). And Richard's seeming inability to age over a 30 year span hints at him not simply being a Dharma defector as well.

I agree WhatThe, the fact that Richard had hardly aged in 30years was a revelation and clearly indictes he is not a normal  human and so not Dharma or visitor, and so by process of elimination a native.
(ie Ben went from 10 when he first met Richard to 40 now, however Richard was probably about 25 when they first met and approximatly 35? now. They also have been living within the same group since the purge so location can't be a factor).

Episode 3x17 / Re: Woman from Desmond's Time Travel
« on: April 24, 2007, 05:17:57 AM »
Puff "
I've been watching this thread and the most important question that I have is, who are these people who are guiding Desmond's path?  They do not appear similar to the Others who have appeared in Juliet's flashback.  These guys appear related to the island yet have been planted in a particular role for a great deal of time.  Further, Mrs. Ring (Hawking) and Mr. Monk (Campbell) are unscientific and grandparently.  They are not recruiters, but instead provide nudges.

This Dialogue makes me think that Penny imaybe in on it as well (at least at some point):
Penny: Well, maybe they're right. I mean, just think. If you hadn't gotten fired, we wouldn't have met. And, then, how could you possibly help me unload these crates in Carlisle?
Desmond: Heh, did I say I was coming to Carlisle with you?
Penny: Not yet. I mean, of course, if an ex-monk already has plans, then--
Desmond: You know, I don't usually get in cars with strangers.
Penny: Well, in that case, I'm Penelope. Penny.

She may have been recruited to 'direct' Desmond. But following the old storyline cliche: Girl hired to do put up job on guy. Girl falls for guy. Stops doing put up job on guy. Tries to help guy against those who want the put up job done (her father etc??).

This would allow her to know more about Des's situation than we first thought. And may explain how she would know to set up a science station to find a magnetic anomaly to find Des - this wouldn't be done on an incling alone- I imagine!

Episode 3x17 / Re: The Helicopter
« on: April 24, 2007, 04:53:25 AM »
by Puff"
Ya,  I'm running with another theory that the helicopter was pulling a End Around.  The lady, Naomi, was dropped from a very high altitude while the copter diverted the island's defense system.

Yep I also get that suspicion that these are two separate events in the same mission, partly due to the helicopter sequence seeming like a sacrifice rather than an accident.
Maybe the defenses weren't diverted by the copter at exactly the right moment in time hence Naomi was knocked unconscious?? on her drop/or the effect greater than expected.

Episode 3x17 / Re: The Helicopter
« on: April 23, 2007, 08:33:52 PM »
Are we to assume that there wasn't anyone else on the copter? 

It appears this was a covert mission (1) to locate Des and (2)to retrieve Des on finding him. In which case their would have been a pilot to drop the operative(s) to carry out that mission. If this is the case I believe there should have been more than one operative -I reckon we will find this out soon.
I don't believe she ejected because of problems with the copter (red herring maybe) I think she purely had problems on descent. And then the pilot encountered problems with the copter on clearing the island as he seemed operational at first when over the bay (- If of course she was dropped by that helicopter and not another aircraft).

Episode 3x17 / Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
« on: April 20, 2007, 01:35:13 PM »
Is she in response to Locke's "enter 77?"

Wow that'll open up whole new can of worms. Excellent idea - --- I hope the writers are taking note ;)

Episode 3x17 / Re: The Helicopter
« on: April 20, 2007, 01:19:10 PM »
I'm sorry, I expounded upon my earlier post while you were typing.  I just didn't like it and wanted to rethink it.  Please see if the new thoughts above make more sense.

[proviso: if refering to my posting this time]
That's alright, I really couldn't determine at the time of writing if you were responding to my post or not it seemed like you were but didn't quite seem like your usual logical response to a post - so attempted a reply anyway - timelines almost as complex as current storyline ramifications ;D

Episode 3x17 / Re: The Helicopter
« on: April 20, 2007, 12:47:55 PM »
If the craft had been able to penetrate the island's perimeter, then why didn't it just land?

Maybe accidental penetration of the perimeter is what caused helicopter malfunction and crash.

 Well, it was dark you say.....Night vision goggles.  
Well, they were worried about hostiles.....Well, night vision goggles and guns.

Better to be prepaired.....

They were trying to do it stealthily......Well, then why send a helicopter in the first place?  Lot of noise and slow.

Possibly a high altitude drop avoiding audio recognition of the copter hence the altitude suit as I said previously (though I don't know at what altitude a copter becomes inaudible, or if it does.) A drop from a stationary craft ie helicopter allows for greater accuracy.

Maybe the use of the word decoy should not be used in conjunction with the helicopter.  But, the helicopter may have still been unrelated to the jumper.  What would you think if I told you that they had attempted a helicopter penetration six weeks before they dropped a lone parachutist through the time/space bubble?

Sounds an interesting and exiting theory 8)

Episode 3x17 / Re: The Helicopter
« on: April 20, 2007, 12:00:18 PM »
My "if the high altitude suit actually means something" theory:  The rescue effort is mounted using an Osprey.  Over the Island, the engines are rotated to 45 degrees to slow air speed for a more accurate jump.  The parachutist bails at high altitude as planned, and the Osprey turns for home, runs into the EMG field, and crashes in close proximity to where the chutist ends up landing.  So, it looks like she bailed at low altitude because the plane was crashing, but in actuality she was already out of the plane at somewhere around 30k ft.  I seem to remember that we heard the aircraft splash and THEN we saw the red light.  I think she just happened to drift down in the same area as the aircraft.

If your looking for the least far fetched explanation I concur.

She parachuted out of the helicopter over the island (on her particular mission). After releasing her the pilot flew away from the island. The pilot then reduced altitude after he thought he had cleared the islands magnetic field however he got too close. Possibly the field caused the rotor to stall/slow(noise heard)/electronics jammed and the helicopter gentlysplashed into the sea.

If this did happen, then when she was released the helicopter must have been out of audio range in terms of altitude - I wonder how high this would have to be and if it equates to the need for a high altitude suit.

1. maybe the suit had other protective qualities like electromagnetic protection/ overprotection against unknown environment. Remember the dharma supply drops seemed to occur when the magnetic shield was down maybe she needed this level of protection when dropping through the field?
2. the 'helicopter splash down' seemed quite small, unless the slowing/stalling  rotor was enough to ease the copter into the water with little splash back/noise etc.

Episode 3x16 / Re: One Intense Trip
« on: April 12, 2007, 10:37:43 PM »
A reasonable explaination is here, mainly under Synopsis of the Experiment.

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