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Episode 6x16 / Re: Rose, Bernard, and Vincent
« on: May 20, 2010, 06:43:45 PM »
1977 to 2007 is 30 years not 40, either that or I just turned 58 not 48.
Still, if they didn't flash it's the difference between Bernard being 92 or 102 and Rose being 87 or 97 based on the ages of the actors, plus three years on the island plus either 30 or 40 years. Not impossible with the healing effects of being on the island but not really likely to find them both alive if they didn't flash.

LOL I could just hear Bernard now. "When 100 years old you reach, look this good, you will not. Hm"

Coincidentally, I just posted that among my best Lost memories are all the Star Wars references.

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Best LOST Memory
« on: May 20, 2010, 06:42:06 PM »
I love all the previously mentioned WTF? moments so instead I'll pick the little moments.
1. The other side of the "no, WE'RE the survivors of Oceanic 815" radio conversation.
2. Hurley and Sayid on the beach listening to Glen Miller, Hurley saying the broadcast could be from any time.
3. Hurley being a big fan of Expose and not knowing that he's on an island with a guest star of the show.
4. Sawyer calling Jin Chewie and there being scenes that exactly mimic scenes from Star Wars involving Michael and Jin. Each speaking a different language but understanding one another, "No, no! This one goes there, that one goes there!" etc.
5. Libby being both in SRMH and giving Desmond the boat.
6. Getting to hear Mama Cass Elliot from a good vinyl source.
7. All the Gernimo Jackson references scattered throughout the series. It was like all the Big Apple cigarette appearances in Tarantino movies.
8. Unexpected Lost references in places like Chuck, FlashForward and Monty.
9. Sawyer reading Judy Blume with the same seriousness as John Steinbeck.
10. Juliet's hubby catching his last bus.

In other words, all the little things add up to one big "Best LOST Memory".

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Episode 6x16 / Re: Rose, Bernard, and Vincent
« on: May 20, 2010, 06:07:27 PM »
1977 to 2007 is 30 years not 40, either that or I just turned 58 not 48.
Still, if they didn't flash it's the difference between Bernard being 92 or 102 and Rose being 87 or 97 based on the ages of the actors, plus three years on the island plus either 30 or 40 years. Not impossible with the healing effects of being on the island but not really likely to find them both alive if they didn't flash.

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Season 6 / Shouldn't someone ask Richard about the bomb?
« on: March 20, 2010, 11:27:55 PM »
Seems like one of the team Jughead people would have asked the one person they know was there then what happened between him giving them Jughead and hustling Eloise out of the temple and them showing up in 2007.
Hurley and Jack have both spent a lot of time with Richard in the last couple of episodes. I can't believe one of them wouldn't have said "So, remember back in 1977 when you gave us the trigger for Jughead? Well, seconds after we detonated it we ended up in 2007 at the site of the imploded Swan. What happened in the intervening 30 years?"

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Episode 6x07 / Re: So Was Christian Really The MIB?
« on: March 19, 2010, 08:45:45 PM »
Would MIB/Smokey and/or what or whoever Christian is be Dave, either off or on island version? Off island he tried to get Hurley out of SRMH, on the island he tried to get him to walk off the edge of a cliff.

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Episode 6x05 / Re: Keamy
« on: March 03, 2010, 02:00:55 PM »
remind me... how did Keamy die the first time?

Ben killed him downstairs in The Orchid.

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Season 6 / Re: My sideways timeline theory.
« on: February 18, 2010, 10:45:51 AM »
I've been wondering if there is significance to the age they were when Jacob touched them. Sawyer and Kate are children while Hurley, The Kwons, Sayid, Locke and Jack are all adults.
I know it's important that they be vulnerable and in need of care and concern but certainly there were times when they were children that would have met that criteria. Jack had a distant mother and alcoholic father, Jin's mom was a prostitute, Sun's dad was a capitalist greed-head, Sayid lived under a dictator and Hurley's dad ran out on him half way through restoring the bitchen camaro. There must have been things that happened to them in their childhoods that made them more vulnerable than being caught stealing a NKOTB lunch box. Hurley's moment of vulnerablity happens the day of the Ajira flight right after getting out of jail? I know Jacob had to give the plot device but it seems odd that Jacob spaced his touches out over decades.
I just think it's odd that two of them were children and the rest adults.

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Season 6 / Re: Where was Shannon?......Hugo...Luckiest guy alive?!?!
« on: February 10, 2010, 03:53:30 PM »
Right, I got mixed up. Widmore is bannished by the young adult Ben so of course he'd still be there in 1977 while Harry Potter-Ben is being healed in the temple. So Widmore could (should) be on the island in 2007, along with Bernie, Rose and Vincent. And the Ajira/Giant Foot group.
And of course now we know that crazy Claire was time skipping with the rest of them, just using her mad-Rousseau skills to avoid contact with anyone else.

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Season 6 / Re: Where was Shannon?......Hugo...Luckiest guy alive?!?!
« on: February 07, 2010, 03:47:04 PM »
regarding Bernard's wedding ring, Rose was wearing a gold chain which dipped behind her shirt, might have hidden the ring.
regarding Desmond and the boat race, if he's in a reality where the island has sunk then he may well have completed the race. The island wasn't there to draw him in or get in his way.
If what ever happened on the island in 1977 did somehow sink or otherwise destroy it then we have to think about who was on the island in 1977 and who was off. Young Ben was on the island, so was Eloise. Depending on the effects of what Juliet did they may well have died there. That causes lots of off island things to be different: Eloise never meets the monk at the winery, never meets Desmond at the ring shop, never goes to work at the lampost.
Charles was off the island amassing wealth and obsessing on getting back. Would he have anyway of knowing that the island has sunk or otherwise been affected by a nuclear trigger? If not then he'd continue trying to find the place. But if Eloise dies while pregnant in 1977 then there's no Daniel to receive Widmore's funding to do time experiements.
It'll be interesting to see how they reconcile the 2004 vs. 2007 timelines and also to see what happened in 1977 from somewhere other than the Swan construction site. The trigger to a hydrogen bomb is a small atom bomb, that wouldn't have been immediately devestating to people in the temple or back at the barracks or on the beach (where Rose, Bernard and Vincent are in 1977, haven't seen them yet in the post event timeline) so getting a look at the mushroom cloud from one of those vantage points would be interesting.

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LOST Talk / Season Five DVD bonus feature easter egg
« on: January 15, 2010, 04:50:40 PM »
In the bonus features for the season five DVD is a fake 80s "In Search Of..." style show called "Mysteries Of The Universe" where they investigate the Dharma Initiative. It comes complete with 80s style ABC graphics and logos.
The copyright date for the episode?
IVVIIIXVXVIXXIIIXLII
Otherwise written as 4 8 15 16 23 42.

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Spoiler Theories and Speculation / Re: Libby... no more...
« on: August 11, 2009, 10:46:04 AM »
It would be a shame if two of their biggest reveals (Libby at SRMHI and "Elizabeth" giving Desmond the boat) turned out to be red herings just because they couldn't get the actress back.
I've always beleived that TPTB have had a plan from the start, it would be very disappointing if they hinged an important story part on the whim of an actress or her agents.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Jacob dead?...Maybe not
« on: July 10, 2009, 06:18:59 PM »
If the person stabbed by Ben wasn't actually Jacob (I do like that idea) then the stand-in had to have been pretty well briefed. To specifically reference one line in a conversation that (seemed to have) happened over 100 years ago would indicate that a stand-in either gained full memories of the person they're standing in for or that Jacob imparted a lot of knowledge to the stand in. Of all the conversations that Jacob and Black-shirt must have had that "Jacob" said "you've found your loop-hole" means that one or the other of my theories must be true.
In support of the former theory is the fact that Black-shirt-as-Locke knew exactly what real-Locke was going to say and what Richard had to say when Ram Dass gives Locke the compass.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: What happened when Juliet struck the nuke?
« on: July 09, 2009, 06:13:55 PM »
Background info from Wikipedia:
Jughead appeared on the Island in 1954—the very same year the US conducted a series of high-yield thermonuclear tests in the South Pacific dubbed Operation Castle. The average bomb during 1954’s Operation Castle had a yield that was roughly 500 times greater than the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. The craters left from these bombs were expected to be approximately 1 mile in diameter.


But isn't it the case that an A-Bomb uses TNT to cause the atomic chain reaction, an H-Bomb uses a small A-Bomb to cause the much larger chain reaction?
What they took from Jughead was the A-Bomb trigger, not the larger H-Bomb complete. I've read that the triggers for H-Bombs of the era were far too large and heavy to be transported as shown in the episode but that's not an important nit to pick IMHO. I think that the trigger would probably be no larger (if not in fact smaller) than the WWII bombs.
Still, if it did go off w/o interference from the EM thingie it's going to leave a hole. Perhaps a small one but with enough radiation to require Chernobyl-like quantities of concrete to contain, and maybe leave the EM thingie in such a state that some kind of pressure relief system would have had to be improvised.
That's my theory: The bomb goes off, but their attempts to change the future is what causes the future as they know it.

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Episode 5x16 / Re: Rose and Barnard!!
« on: May 25, 2009, 02:47:24 AM »
How do Bernard & Rose that they're 30 years in the past? They split off from Faraday, Sawyer et al and the red shirts at the time of the flaming arrow attack, which was before most of the jumping happened. Meanwhile, Jin is also flashing through the same time jumps, but being out to sea he doesn't realize it until he comes upon the French team. The Faraday group only know about the time thing because they're with Daniel who explains it to them. They only knew when they were because they met people during their shifts (1950s, 1970s) who told them when they were.
I don't think when Rose and Bernie are would be something they could just figure out without having had a lot closer contact with Dharma or the "hostiles" than we've been told they've had

Also: doesn't it seem like there would either be more red shirts alive OR LaFleur would have heard about "hostiles claiming to be from a plane wreck" cropping up during his term as sheriff? We saw a whole bunch of nameless 815ers fleeing the beach, we only saw a few killed in the claymore explosion. Apart from Rose and Bernie it seems like there should be at least a few who would either still be alive on their own, have somehow joined the "hostiles" or been rounded up in Dharma sweeps.

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Episode 5x13 / Re: Constructing The Swan
« on: April 19, 2009, 01:45:02 PM »
Did tptb put the part about stamping The Numbers on the hatch just to blow our minds, confirm to us what was being built and give Hurley the line "42"?
I can't think of any reason for them to have the hatch door on site when The Swan is just a freshly dug hole in the ground. It seems like the hatch door would be one of the last things they'd bring to the site.

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