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Episode 6x16 / Re: Skeletons in the Cave
« on: May 31, 2010, 08:26:24 PM »
I guess I should have been a little more specific.  The cave I'm referring to was the one that the light was emanating from that he was lowered into by Flocke and Jack that Jacob was protecting.

It does not change anything about Lost but it if it is Montand's skeleton there it could answer the question of who the skeletons are.  They would be the remains of the people who Smokie pulled underground and that is where they were left.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Skeletons in the Cave
« on: May 31, 2010, 08:16:01 PM »
Okay, I found some screenshots:

The skeleton in the cave -

Montand's arm -

Episode 6x16 / Skeletons in the Cave
« on: May 31, 2010, 08:04:49 PM »
I was looking at lostepia's timeline which had a reference to Rousseau's friend Montand that lost his arm and then was subsequently killed by the smoke monster after Rousseau's party landed on the island in "This Place is Death".  That made me remember the skeletons in the cave when Desmond is lowered down into it. 

This made me go back and look out of curiousity, at first there is a shot with two skeletons, then it shows one more that looks like it could be missing it's left arm.  I don't have the time right now to go see which arm the guy lost, but does anyone think that that skeleton could have been Montand's?

It might be a stretch, but it's something I have not seen anyone mention.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 31, 2010, 05:35:50 PM »
OK, I re-watched "The End" Saturday night, and I noticed a couple of (admittedly very small) things... so these are just for fun:

1.  What was in that black back-pack that MIB wore all the time?  The C-4 was already gone, right?  His knife was in a holster.  What kind of luggage could a smoke-monster possibly need when packing to leave his home of the past 1000 years?  What was so important?  A change of socks?  (I noticed that UnLocke dropped the backpack when he started his cliffside fight with Jack, and that after "the battle" was over, Ben picked it up when he and Hurley and Jack started off.  But then when they arrived at the mouth of the light-cave, definitely none of them had or were carrying the back-pack.  Then afterwards, I think I saw it lying on the ground near Jack.  Continuity...  :))

Interesting catch.  Just think of all the theories and speculations we would have if Ben had held on to the back pack until the end.

2.  Why did Kate change clothes in between leaving Jack in the car and going into the church?  What, the church has a dress code?  And the little black dress was too short or something?

Who knows, she could have just wished her new outfit into being.  She "enlightened" at that time and it was their own little world they made up.

3.  Speaking of the car, why is Successful Spinal Surgeon Jack still driving that beat-up POS Jeep or whatever it was?  Wouldn't he have a nicer car?  I understand that Bearded Druggie Jack might have some financial issues and have that car, but this Jack?

The ALT reflected the real world so it's not too surprising it was the same car.  Besides, Jack never really seemed like the type that got all caught up on his possessions, I'm not sure he would be the type to go out and by some snazzy car just because he could.  Or maybe it just had sentimental value.

3.  How did Ben get out from under the tree?

Remember the last time we saw him under the tree?  I have not rewatched The End yet, but as I remember it Sawyer was running up with some large branch he was putting under the tree to use as a lever.  It never actually showed this working but I'm assuming they were trying to fit the show into the alotted amount of time and this was just one of the scenes that was cut, we were just supposed to assume it worked.

4.  How did Jack get up from the bottom of the waterfall in the light-cave?  When Jacob found his brother draped in the trees after Smokey's creation, I assumed that the body got tossed out/blasted out by the force of Smokey's eruption.  But with Jack there was no Smokey, so how did he get out?

Where the light was in the cave where was where the water ran into the cave, where Jack woke up and where MiB's body was found were in almost the exact same spot outside a different cave where the water was running out of the cave.  I think we are just supposed to assume both of them were washed out of the cave.

Unless... there was a Smokey!   Dun-dun-DUN!!    :o  (OK, just kidding...)

I know you said it was just for fun.  The posting here has slowed down a lot and I'm just not ready to let go yet. ;)

Episode 6x16 / Why pregnancies failed on the island..?
« on: May 29, 2010, 02:03:03 AM »
Two theories seem to be going around about this, the more older and seemingly more common one being that this was caused by the Incident.  Was this ever explicitly said during the series or the writers or is it just a theory.

Since the emergence of Jacob and his rules, the other theory is that this is one of his rules.  This is also supported by the fact that no past group of people was able to maintain their civilization.  It is also supported by the fact that Jacob primarily brought/allowed people to the island in search of his replacement and he eliminating Kate from consideration because she was a mother.

I was just wondering if I missed or forgot something and if the Incident theory was ever given as the explanation.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 26, 2010, 02:19:28 PM »
I just wanted to add a little bit to a couple of these

From the end of the note I posted on Facebook:

*Why couldn't women conceive/carry to term babies on the island?
Rule made by Jacob?  He brought who he wanted to the island.  He didnt want people making new people.

Just like it was said here, Jacob brings people to the island because he is searching for a new candidate.  Having people reproduce is counter productive to this since Jacob is searching for someone who is not a parent to be a candidate.  He removed Kate from the list because she was a mother, although she could have still taken it if she wanted.

*How did MIB become Smokey? Yet, Jack and Desmond and Hurley all went into the cavern and didn't become smoke monsters. Why MIB? Why didn't Jack become white smoke?
MIB was sent into the cavern by Jacob.  Jack and Desmond went there on there own regards.  They thought they were doing good. IT was not MIB's time to die so the island turned him into the monster that his soul really was.

I have a different theory on this one.  Desmond and Hurley are easy.  Desmond is immune to the electromagnetism.  Hurley never went all the way down into the cavern, just to the precipice.

Jack is not as simple.  It could be because he went there for good, but I'm not so sure about that.  It could be something with the way an electromagnetic field works, it has magnetic AND direction.  MiB floated towards the source of the field and Jack (was it was replugged) only went away from the field, although there are some holes in this theory and I doubt this is the case.  

I like to think that when he went in, it was unplugged so there was no danger.  As for why he didn't turn into the monster when he plugged it, it could be because by doing so his powers as the new Jacob were restored to him and made him immune.  

THIS!  So Happy someone posted this.

Episode 6x16 / Jack's Stab Wound
« on: May 26, 2010, 01:08:21 PM »
It's not a major issue or anything or any huge revelation, I just think it's interesting -

Did anyone else gather that Jack knew the stab wound in his side was fatal?

He's a doctor, I'm pretty sure he knew he was going to die from it.  He even tells Hurley as much saying "I'm already dead" before he goes in to plug the cave.  That's why Jack didn't let Desmond plug the hole even though it could have been safe for him to do and that's why he didn't book it out of the cave and he just laid there smiling.

Episode 6x16 / Re: My musings on the finale (and I didn't like it)
« on: May 26, 2010, 05:29:06 AM »
If they would have taken time out of OUR story to tell that one, I think most of us would be supremely pissed.

I know you are upset about having to explain who built the statue to everyone numerous times, but as far as OUR story is concerned, Season 6 as a whole had a whole lot of unnecessary filler. Quite honestly, I would have enjoyed watching an hour of Egyptians carving the statue's nose out of a block of stone more than hearing a guy translate for a man who does not need translation.

And don't give that B.S. about how people respected him more or whatever if he needed a translator because I for one think that whole part of the story was unnecessary at this point of the story.

I agree with some of the things you said, but not completely...

don't think its worth it to nitpick who was in the church, why ben didn't go in, what about david blah blah blah ultimately you are ruining the ending for yourself. david wasn't real, nobody in that place was even real- it was all made up in their "place"

As far as who was and who was not in the church - not a big deal to me.  This one deals with the reality of things (i.e. real life, not the show).  If I were to nitpick this, I would say, why wasn't Eko there?  His time on the island was probably one of the most important times of his life as far as redemption and the theme of the show is concerned but any fan knows he decided to leave to show despite being a character they planned on having a large role.  I'm fine with that, it's something the writer's have no control over.

As far as Ben and David, that's not "blah blah blah" to me.  In the end, whether we liked it or not, the writers decided to make the show more about the characters than the mystery.  Critical thinking and knowledge of the show present several theories to these and they deserve to be discussed because it really pertains to the characters and the direction the writers decided to go.

Ben is redeemed in the end, perhaps he's just there to wish a fond farewell to the collective body of people that were responsible for his transformation.  Or who knows, maybe he didn't go in because he is still alive and he is existing in both the sideways world and the real one similar to Desmond and he is the new number one; he just wanted to see everyone off.  All in all, it does not matter why he didn't go in, but it's worth discussing because the whole ATL is a reflection of who the characters were and how they perceived themselves.

As far as David, that is a HUGE part of Jack's story even though he "isn't real".  Once again, it is part of the characters.  David is a manifestation of Jack, and Juliet too. It's worth discussing.  Some people will be confused by him but that's why we discuss it.

i agree that there are about 2 or 3 legitimate questions that could be asked, but when paired together with questions about small things and things that were left up to us to use are brains about... it just makes us the viewers look stupid. I understand that many people have questions and want EVERYTHING that ever happened in all of LOST to be explained, but guess what??? sorry, but its impossible.

I don't think anyone expected every loose thread to be addressed, but they left ALOT unanswered.  Now, in the defense of the writers, alot of this can be filled in by thinking about it.  However, other things can not. 

Ultimately, it is unfair to the audience to pull them in with mysteries and unanswered questions, act like you are bringing everything together and then decide 75% of the way through the story to change the presentation of things and stop answering these questions.  Think back to early Lost, how did they reel us in?  It was through polar bears, mysterious hatches and numbers, the Others, etc... 

Those specific examples were answered, but those are the types of things that created the huge fandom they had.  The mysteries were responsible for all the forums, blogs and discussions and were what ultimately made us originally love the show.  We fell in love with the characters too, but the linear story line of Lost and the mysteries that kept us watching were what separated this show from all the others.  And in then end, for them just make the final season about the characters while not giving us answers to the unanswered mysteries that arose in the storyline from the very beginning makes me a little mad.  Don't get me wrong, I loved the characters, but I feel cheated.  I'm okay with how it ended, just not how they filled in the gaps these last two seasons.

2. people saying they died in the plane crash... this one is indefensible- the writers laid it out nice and freaking clear for us in christian's explanation to Jack.

Once again, I agree and disagree.  Yeah, anyone who heard the minute of dialogue between Jack and his father should have realized what happened on the island was real.  However, that whole conversation was very unLost like and anti-climatic.  Are they really going to give us the answer for the whole mysterious flash-sideways after leading us to believe it was something else in one straight forward 30 second conversation?  Looking back now I see there were numerous clues to this, but really?  Really?  Name one other big surprise or mystery that was answered or dispelled in Lost that was resolved in such an anti-climatic way?  The reason so many people are confused about it is the way the writers presented it.

Anyways, that's my rant. Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate the finale like a lot of people, but I did not love it either.  It is more of Season 6 as a whole just frustrating me.  For example. the Others at the temple.

Who cares about them?  I sure did not care about characters introduced this late into the series that had no real character development themselves or really exist to further the plot that much.  What plot development that was accomplished during the episodes centered around the temple could have been done in many different ways without wasting so much of our much-awaited last season. 

I don't care about the kung-fu man with a baseball that really does speak english, I want answers.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Nadia
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:48:44 PM »
My only guess on this was is explained by the flash-sideways where Sayid was not married to Nadia.  In the reality they created for themselves he was not married to her. 

Why?  My guess would be he felt unworthy of her love because of what he did to her whereas he felt more deserving of Shannon's love.  That's my only guess.

Spoiler Theories and Speculation / Re: The little Blonde prince...
« on: March 01, 2010, 06:03:18 PM »

well personally this is just a theory ive always had for a few seasons now, but i think that Aaron IS Jacob...

That would definitely fit in with what they said about us having seen Jacob but never having heard him speak a few seasons ago.  At that point we had seen Aaron but he was a baby and couldn't have spoken.

Episode 5x12 / Re: Inconsistency summoning Ole Smokey?
« on: April 12, 2009, 06:53:32 AM »
Having watched his daughter get shot in the head before summoning Smokey the first time might have had something to do with it.

I've read more than I care too about the whole time travel discussion but I thought of something interesting that I have not read anywhere.

Has it occurred to anyone else that the actions of the time travelers could effect their future?

I know you are probably thinking I'm beating a dead horse here, but bare with me.  What I mean by future in this sense is not defined by time  (ie 1977, 2009, etc...) but time from the characters perspective, things that have not happened to them yet.

Here's a couple examples of what I mean to clear things up:

In the Dharma days Jack believes that they still might flash back to present day (the time Locke and Ben are in) and hides a cache of guns (or pills) in the 70's thinking he might need them in thirty years.

Jack saying to Kate "Haha, I'm going to put this black stone and this white stone in Adam and Eve's pockets to mess with ourselves"

Assuming Ben remembers Kate's actions saving his life as a boy, he could remember what she did and sacrifice himself to save her life.

I just thought this concept is pretty cool because it allows predestination and free will to coexist.  So I guess what I'm trying to say is its possible their actions in the 70's can not change anything up until present day where locke and ben are (meaning whatever happened, happened) but anything thing that occurs after present day is not predetermined yet and can still be effected. 

Tell me if this isnt making any sense and I'll try to explain it another way.

Theories & Speculation / Re: What happens to the dead bodies?
« on: November 04, 2006, 07:49:28 PM »
When Jack saw his dad is Season 1 it was the smoke monster taking the form of him. 

Book it.

Theories & Speculation / Electromagnetic Radiation
« on: October 26, 2006, 08:49:02 PM »
I posted this in an episode discussion board.  It might interest some of you so I reposted it here.  Just some food for thought...

Don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but we know there is or was some kind of weird electromagnetic field.

This could be accompanied by electromagnetic radiation.  Gamma radiation is electromagnetic radiation and a very-high energy type at that.

Being such high energy radiation, it would account for why there are underground bunkers (concrete, lead, etc... are needed to shield people from this type of radiation) and the "incident" could refer to some type of leakage or fallout...

It is ionizing radiation meaning it's the type that can cause damage to cells and DNA and interfere with cell division.

It can be a cause a cancer (see Ben...  on the island his whole life).

It causes sterility (see Juliette... the fertility doctor).

If Ben really was trying to persuade Locke to let the time run out on the numbers it could have been to get rid of the source of the radiation.

Gamma radiation is actually high speed photons (particles of light) which could explain the bright light when the time ran out at the end of last season.

A large release of it could cause an EMP pulse causing the plane the crash.  (I don't know how it would not have wiped out the electronics in the bunker but maybe it was directed upwards somehow)

In nuclear reactors carbon rods are used to keep the uranium from reaching supercriticality (preventing a meltdown like Chernobyl)...

Typing in the numbers every how ever often it was could have done something similar.

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