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Episode 5x16 / Re: Paradise Lost
« on: May 15, 2009, 03:14:58 PM »
not saying they will. just showing the parallels

Episode 5x16 / Re: knife / fire
« on: May 15, 2009, 03:14:25 PM »
perhaps. but it seemed odd to me that Jacob would have a fire under the statue and that they would push him into it after killing him? add to that, i don't really see the reason for Ilana lighting the cabin on fire either just as Frank said...

Episode 5x16 / Paradise Lost
« on: May 15, 2009, 03:09:35 PM »
Paradise Lost / Biblical

Adam & Eve : God creates Man / Adam and gives him free will, knowing that Man will fall. He succeeds in bringing about the fall of Adam and Eve but is punished for the act. Adam eats the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge because he cannot bear losing Eve. ----> Sounds alot like Jack and his "decisions" and his despair for potentially losing Kate.

Satan : Before his rebellion, he was known as Lucifer and was second only to God. His envy of the Son creates Sin, and in an incestuous relationship with his daughter, he produces the offspring, Death. His rebellion is easily crushed by the Son, and he is cast into Hell. His goal is to corrupt God's new creations, Man and Earth. He succeeds in bringing about the fall of Adam and Eve but is punished for the act. He can shift his shape and tempts Eve in the form of a serpent. He appears noble to Man but not in comparison to God. ----> hmmm. Ben and his daughter, Ben and his complex of being second, and / or black shirt and his conflict with Jacob, and mention of the shape shifter ie faux locke....

God : The omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent creator of the universe. He is depicted as pure light by Milton and rules from an unmovable throne at the highest point in Heaven. God is the epitome of reason and intellect, qualities that often make him seem aloof and stern in the poem. His more merciful side is shown through his Son who is of course one of the Trinitarian aspects of God though not the same as God. God creates Man (Adam) and gives him free will, knowing that Man will fall. He also provides his Son, who becomes a man and suffers death, as the means to salvation for Man so that ultimately goodness will completely defeat evil. ----> again, more similarities, free will, man failing, the conversation between jacob and black shirt / esau, and... "pure light" is what we saw when the fail safe was turned, when the bomb detonated, when they time jumped.

Episode 5x16 / he "watched them die"
« on: May 14, 2009, 09:39:53 PM »
last episode, Richard told Sun that he knew the Losties back in 1977 because he "watched them die".

but... he didn't? he wasn't there when the nuke was detonated, if thats what he was referring to.
or if he was referring to a past that was changed, what was he speaking of?
ben gassing them with the other dharma people, but that timeline changed?

Episode 5x16 / knife / fire
« on: May 14, 2009, 09:37:31 PM »
my girlfriend pointed out something interesting....

the cabin scene, the clue to where jacob is was stuck to the wall with a knife (locke?).
then Ilana and gang burned down the cabin with an intense fire that even Frank questioned the need for.

later, ben stabbed jacob with a knife (despite all the guns on the island) and pushed him into the fire.

symbolism? parallels? theories? coincidence?

Episode 5x14 / DES & PENNY = Adam & Eve (Cave)
« on: April 30, 2009, 09:39:35 PM »
To me the most obvious thing of the night was that the Adam and Eve skeletons in the cave are indeed Des and Penny.
This immediately came to mind when Desmond (once again) told Penny that he would never leave her side.

Episode 4x13 / Re: The Cave and the Wheel
« on: June 06, 2008, 08:31:33 PM »
buddhist dharma wheel, signifying new beginnings in teachings

Episode 4x13 / Re: Walt has to go back too!
« on: June 01, 2008, 09:43:32 PM »
regardless either or.....

we know who they say NEED to go back, thats not to say that more can't go with them...

only weird thing is that Walt, and perhaps Claire, have appeared on the island when not actually dead...
difference is that the others who have appeared like Christian and Eckos bro and Boone are (practically) confirmed dead...

Episode 4x13 / Re: S04 Round Up...
« on: June 01, 2008, 09:34:54 PM »
they need to bring Lockes body back so that Miles can communicate with it/him to learn what happened to Locke and help and protect the others from the very bad things happening on the island. this needs to happen  because the people on the island either won't believe ben outright and/or because he can't return himself. obviously, also, the details that miles will learn from communicating with dead Locke will be exclusive info or privy details to Locke that the returning Oceanic 6 wouldn't know and thus wouldn't  be able to pass along themselves when they accompany his body there... !!!

Episode 4x13 / Re: Questions
« on: June 01, 2008, 06:33:00 PM »
what do we think about the possibility that Widmore was once on the island, had to move it, and thus can't go back himself? we know he is LOOKING for the island...

and ben doesn't offer to go back with the O6 and Locke does he? Just says that they need to, again perhaps he is not allowed.

I don't think that "dead" Locke moved the island though, because this would seem to infer that he can't go back like Ben can't (and potentially Widmore if you believe the direction of my first sentence...). i'm thinking perhaps Locke left the island another way like Tom, sometimes Ben, and Michael did... Maybe died in the real world off island via Widmore?

my speculation, further, is that part of the reason they need to get Lockes body back to the island is so that Miles who can "see" what happened to dead people can see what happened to Locke in order to save or protect themselves and the island. the people left on the island currently don't know about Widmore and this may be a help for them...

aaron seems to be important enough that he just may be the next in line to work for / protect the island.

and I keep going back to the Adam and Eve skeletons... Could Aaron and Suns baby be them somehow just in an odd time wrinkle / alternate timeline like we saw with the captains body? those skeletons are probably someone we know or at least tied to someone we know otherwise their big reveal won't be very impactfull...

Episode 4x13 / Re: Is Charlotte = Annie ?
« on: May 31, 2008, 03:43:21 AM »
I forget, is annie still alive... Do we know? Maybe she dies giving birth to Charlotte thus the reason for Char looking for her birthplace to memorialize mom and also bens obsession with helping pregnant island women stay alive.

Episode 4x13 / Re: Rose statement to Miles
« on: May 31, 2008, 03:04:50 AM »
that's interesting, thanks

Episode 4x13 / Re: Rose statement to Miles
« on: May 30, 2008, 11:32:15 PM »
I wonder if the island will still get the dharma food drops?

where did those drops
come from anyhow?
not widmore, since that would mean he knew where the island was.


Seriously though.

Episode 4x13 / Re: Rose statement to Miles
« on: May 30, 2008, 09:48:38 PM »
I wonder if the island will still get the dharma food drops?

where did those drops come from anyhow?
not widmore, since that would mean he knew where the island was.

Episode 4x13 / Re: Scientific Theory of the year
« on: May 30, 2008, 09:44:25 PM »
like a donkey pumping a well...POOF..the island is gone....
Just to be clear, donkey's could have never turned that wheel (neither could polar bears for that matter), because they have no hands.  There was no way to 'walk around' 360 degrees and turn the wheel, they would have to be able to walk through walls, which we know is not even possible on Lost.   Only one side of the wheel was accessible because of the wall. The wheel had to be turned by humans with hands.

good point.

actually, that wheel looked EXACTLY like a dharma wheel which is from buddhist teachings.
the turning of the dharma wheel means a "new beginning" in the teachings and thought flow.
the name of the dharma initiative, the look of the wheel, and the results of the island being in a new place...
it all goes back to the shows science vs faith juxtapositions...

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