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Episode 3x20 / Re: Why Jack?
« on: May 10, 2007, 01:29:57 AM »
I think we are about to find out why he trusts her. THe last line we heard from the beach was "I think we've got some catching up to do."  Finally, Jack is going to spill the beans on what they've been concealing.  Juliet wanted to tell Kate last episode but Jack told her not to. Now we're going to find out what the heck happened in the time gap between when he was in a cage on the 2nd island, and when he was tossing a football in the Other Village.

Episode 3x20 / Re: Richard Alpert Doesn't age?
« on: May 10, 2007, 01:26:50 AM »
Not only has Richard ceded seniority to Ben, but he's allowing Ben to perpetrate a blatant lie about his place of birth. This is very weird to me. Remember, child Ben tells Richard in their first encounter that he isn't born on the island. Richard knows this and could tell everyone that Ben is a liar. But he doesn't. Yet, he's also working behind the scenes to empower Locke.  This is very interesting. 

I think it is likely that Patchy saw the crash as well, and was also searching for the parachuter in the area. When he saw the flair, he came running.

Of course, that doesn't explain 1) how he's up and running about, 2) what he expected to find, or 3) who she is. But that's for a different thread! :)

Episode 3x18 / Re: Is Jack Acting Funny?
« on: April 26, 2007, 12:35:42 PM »
I have to agree about being sort of annoyed by Jack's behavior.  But I think his odd behavior is actually the best evidence that he IS the real Jack and isn't corrupted.  See, anyone with a pulse would realize that the rest of the castaways would be a bit suspicious of him after his time apart.  Especially after he vouched for Juliet like he did.  If he were acting as an agent, he would be trying harder to 'be normal'.  He would be far more likely to share a few (false) stories like Michael did than to simply be sort of detached and weird like he's being now. This behavior invites suspicion.  IMO, he's obviously been a little effected by having a gal like Juliet bat a few eyelashes at him, and he's also just mentally scarred/changed from the whole experience on the other island.  But he's not a traitor. 

If they're going somewhere deep into the island where they have no shelter, they could bring tents to set up camp.
I'd go as far as to say that is more likely than not what did happen.  Where else would the go? The only other option is to the 2nd island, and we 1) don't know how they go between the two islands without the sub, and 2) we don't know that there are any real living quarters over there.   

Episode 3x18 / Re: Juliet: "I hate you."
« on: April 26, 2007, 02:18:42 AM »
Ben is abviously holding something over her head maybe saying if you want your sister to stay alive then you do what i say.

Ben knows that jullietes sister is the only person in the world that means anything to her.
It may be nothing more than the fact that she thinks the Others will kill her if she refuses to comply, or she thinks she can't survive on her own on the island with the smoke monster and all sorts of other craziness around.  That's why she keeps begging to be taken home, but when refused, doesn't rebel further. 

Unarmed, alone, and without caution....he stumbles onto the group.  From this, I conclude that Mikail did not see or hear the helicopter go down.  (He would have then been more cautious).

He didn't anticipate it being the Losties by their location.

So, he must have expected to run into somebody else.

If Mikail is cohesive with the group of Other's who disappeared for a week, then he would know their whereabouts and would not expect them as the source of the flare. 

So, we are to deduce that either Mikail has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others" and was left behind, died and was reborn (whereupon he has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others), or there is another group of Others entirely...and it was members of this group that he expected to run upon.
Great point. Forgot all about that.  Your ideas are interesting.  But what about the possibility that maybe he saw the chopper crash the night before, assumed the flare was from them, and is hoping it is some sort of re-enforcements/rescue team? Remember, they hadn't been able to communicate with the outside world since The Swan Station imploded.  So, they may be hoping for someone from whoever they work for coming to find them.

Episode 3x18 / Re: They found 815?
« on: April 26, 2007, 01:28:47 AM »
true im sure their will be many theories, but people have already suggested she is an other, and these people have been hoping for rescue, its their last hope so whats the best way to manipulate people (ben) so the best way to get people to do whatever you want is to take away their hope and to take the only thing they have.
But do you really think that makes sense?  I mean, do you think that 1 woman's word will be enough to make these people just accept that they are dead and/or escape is impossible?  As I said, I think they all pretty much assume already that they won't be rescued by some search party. Search parties don't often search for 90 days, and they don't search the entire planet (and the castaways know they are 1000 miles off course).  Besides, even if these words by Naomi did have some effect, are we really supposed to believe that they'd just give up?  Even if nobody was looking for them, that doesn't mean they can't still be trying to get off the island or contact people somehow.  It just doesn't seem like anything much is to be gained by the Others planting this lie.  That's what I'm saying.  Hey, it's possible though, I guess.

Episode 3x18 / Re: They found 815?
« on: April 26, 2007, 01:07:55 AM »
exactly thats what im saying we don't know naomi's back story or why shes on the island so she could be telling or the truth or covering up ya know
I see what you're saying and I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you. But just because we don't know who she is doesn't mean my question is any less relevant.  Pick any identity for her you want. Who in the universe would have something to gain by lying to the castaways about everyone else thinking they are dead?  Why tell that lie? That's what I'm getting at.  I mean, if you've been missing for 90 days, you have to assume everyone is thinking you are dead already, even if they haven't found conclusive proof. So what would be gained by extending that one step further and falsely claiming the wreckage had been found? Personally, I can't think of a single thing, no matter who she is. Nor can I imagine how this would effect the behavior of the castaways, since they obviously can't take her word that they're dead at face value.  But there are a lot of creative people here, so maybe someone else can come up with something? 

Episode 3x18 / Re: They found 815?
« on: April 26, 2007, 01:00:06 AM »
everyone seems to have taken this at face value, i mean at the end of the day we don't know anything about naomi so like most people in lost she could be lying. just throwing it out.
I don't think it is so much taking it at face value as the fact that there seems like little incentive for her to lie.  Can you think of one?  It's certainly possible she is just incorrect (either a fake plane was planted or the person who was in charge of the search lied in his report of finding it).  But why would she knowingly lie? On who's behalf?  What would the Others have to gain? What would some 3rd party have to gain? What would be accomplished by telling the castaways that everyone thinks they are dead? 

Episode 3x18 / Re: On This Island, Wounds Are A Bit Different....
« on: April 26, 2007, 12:56:20 AM »
Just an observation. If you can recover from a punctured lung in a day or two, and be up wandering through the jungle like Tarzan after a week then how come it took the losties injuries they sustained in the crash so long to heal?  Those seem pretty superficial compared to a branch sticking out of your gut.
That's an interesting point. We never heard anything about Jack's wound that Kate had to help sew up back in 1.1 healing at some superhuman rate, did we? 

Episode 3x18 / Re: Juliet: "I hate you."
« on: April 26, 2007, 12:51:24 AM »
I don't think there is any doubt that she is conflicted about her role in all of this.  While she is a good liar, we've seen her frustration on so many different occasions, as well as her overwhelming desire to leave the island.  The question is simply whether or not she is, has, or will do anything to actively help the castaways. 

Episode 3x18 / Re: On This Island, Wounds Are A Bit Different....
« on: April 26, 2007, 12:47:34 AM »
WHen you are dead you stay dead. Patchy was never dead.
True. But what about the Boone thing? Jack was working on him for a really long time.  Many, many hours, even stretching into 2 days if I recall (it's been a while since I watched season 1).  So why didn't he get better faster? Does it have something to do with stabilizing the injury before it can heal maybe?
Boone's body was beyond healing. That's why he died.
So, you're guessing that Boone would have died no matter what? Because, during the episode, Jack gave us ever reason to believe that he thought he could have saved him if he just had proper equipment and wasn't trying to perform surgery with pocket knives in the dark, on a beach.   

Episode 3x18 / Re: Why have a secret sonogram room?
« on: April 26, 2007, 12:43:17 AM »
Maybe it was like a prison, the other mother's didn't willingly become test subjects?  It also looked like a storage room.... nothing looked very organized. 
In terms of the organization, it looks like they basically just used it as a storage room since they cleared out. Remember, when Claire was being kept there, we saw that Crib in her (?) room. We saw that mobile hanging over it, in a nicely laid out nursery of some sort.  There was also tons of medical equipment in the now vacant opperating room.  All the stuff was cleared into that secret room, in case the castaways discovered the hatch. Which they did. 

Episode 3x18 / Re: Why have a secret sonogram room?
« on: April 26, 2007, 12:36:11 AM »
SHe explained it. It is where they take the woman to die.
I don't think that really explains anything.  Why have a secret room with Fort Knox doors for a room where people die? People die in hospitals all the time.  Hospitals don't have that feature.  Perhaps there is something related to the death which requires them to be isolated (contagion?)? Or perhaps they want to keep the deaths secret from the rest of the Others somehow? But that second idea is a little hard to rationalize.

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