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Title: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 05, 2009, 03:22:43 PM
ok i rewatched the 5th season... very reccomended... and the scene where Frank Lapedus is crashing the Ajira flight on the runway... you can hear "The Numbers" on their radio being said.... ok if that is supposed to be "present time" aka 2007. how are the numbers being played again? didnt they turn off the radio tower to get in touch with the freighter?? why woudl they turn it back on repeating the numbers??
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 06, 2009, 08:50:05 AM
I thought it was Rousseau's message that was being broadcast from the radio tower?
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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 06, 2009, 02:39:14 PM
I thought it was Rousseau's message that was being broadcast from the radio tower?

well Rousseau's message was broadcast from the tower, but she is the one who turned the numbers off from being broadcast to put her message up... but in 2007 we hear it on Franks Ajira flight as its crashing. who put it back on?? thats my question.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 06, 2009, 03:52:53 PM
Oh good point. I wonder if they've been lying to us about the alternate timeline or future so as to not ruin the surprise?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 06, 2009, 04:01:59 PM
Oh good point. I wonder if they've been lying to us about the alternate timeline or future so as to not ruin the surprise?

One thing that i did notice in the past season... that everytime we hear the numbers... On Rousseau's radio when she first lands on the island.... Franks ajira's radio... it kinda sounds liek Hurley saying them... not on all the numbers,,, but mostly the second half... 16 23 42. maybe somehow he does it.. r maybe they put it in there to see if anyone would notice... but look who they are dealing with?? LOST fans....
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 06, 2009, 06:44:27 PM
When Danielle's team was in the water and found Jin weren't the numbers being heard then and wasn't it Hurleys voice too?  Was it the same loop but she changed it later?   I have to check this ou
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 07, 2009, 08:47:12 AM
I was just going to ask if it was possible if that they were being broadcast from somewhere other than the radio tower on the island but I looked on lostpedia and apparently Sam and Lenny heard the numbers 16 years ago. So that lines up. This is a really good question BR and I'm really hoping it wasn't a screw up. Did anyone ever turn Rousseau's message off?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 07, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
yes I thought they did in Season Four when they had Ben on a leash and when Charlie died turning off the signal.  That is how Penny got through.

They were at the radio tower and that is when Ben got the gun/knife and did serious injury to Naomi.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 07, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
yes I thought they did in Season Four when they had Ben on a leash and when Charlie died turning off the signal.  That is how Penny got through.

They were at the radio tower and that is when Ben got the gun/knife and did serious injury to Naomi.

Ya it was actually Danielle, that took the tape out from being played and in disgust threw the tape on the table... so at that point there shouldnt be anything broadcast... they just stopped sending out anything... that just brings up my question.. who turned the numbers on after... and why?

Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 07, 2009, 04:39:35 PM
One more question... does anyone know why the numbers were being broadcast in the first place anyway??? dont you see it as kinda wierd to broadcast a series of numbers??? i know numbers are a universal language, and its been said its a language used to even try to make contact with extra terrestrials.. but still why??
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 10, 2009, 10:48:59 AM
Maybe it had something to do with the experiments Dharma was doing trying to change the core values of the equation?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 10, 2009, 12:21:54 PM
well thats what im guessing... i mean ive seen "The shri lanka video" and thats where its talked about the Valenzeti equation... but i wonder why they broadcast just the number?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 10, 2009, 12:34:56 PM
I have no idea... but the fact still remains that when Frank crashed 316, technically those numbers shouldnt have been being broadcasted unless someone turned that broadcast back on.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 10, 2009, 12:48:29 PM
which is the exact question  wanted to know when i first created this thread....
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Post by: grizn0 on August 10, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
Yeah, we haven't really accomplished much in here lol.
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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 10, 2009, 12:50:20 PM
yes... looks as if we've come full circle, and ended up where we started. ha ha
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Post by: grizn0 on August 10, 2009, 12:53:50 PM
Hyper mentioned something in another thread about the changes in the timeline that we've seen throughout the show. So far we've been chalking them up to writing mistakes but with this one in particular, I'm starting to think they aren't mistakes but are actually changes caused by the actions of the losties in the past. I know they've been telling us there are no alternate timelines and that is fine but I'm really starting to think that their actions in the past are affecting the future and things that have transpired have now happened differently.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 10, 2009, 03:27:38 PM
Hyper mentioned something in another thread about the changes in the timeline that we've seen throughout the show. So far we've been chalking them up to writing mistakes but with this one in particular, I'm starting to think they aren't mistakes but are actually changes caused by the actions of the losties in the past. I know they've been telling us there are no alternate timelines and that is fine but I'm really starting to think that their actions in the past are affecting the future and things that have transpired have now happened differently.
but i can see that about past timeline mistakes... but as for ones in this past season. .it hink they might have a handle on what they are talkign about.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 10, 2009, 03:41:13 PM
Yeah I think we were meant to hear this broadcast and wonder why it would even be playing.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 10, 2009, 04:18:58 PM
my thoughts exactly...
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 10, 2009, 05:46:53 PM
Well, perhaps the reason they were turned on is because they closed the loop again after Keamy and gang left or it hicupped back to being broadcasted :D
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 10, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Well, perhaps the reason they were turned on is because they closed the loop again after Keamy and gang left or it hicupped back to being broadcasted :D

not sure exactly what you mean lil... danielle took the tape out and the radio tower was shut down. do u mean time loop hiccuped?

but how does that explain that it sounds like hurley saying them?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 11, 2009, 09:18:18 AM
Well we don't know for sure its Hurley. Sure, it does sound like him... but that doesn't mean it is in fact him. We don't know that yet so we can't say for sure that its him.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 11, 2009, 01:57:31 PM
true true... but it is his voice... outside of the storyline.. you agree??
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 11, 2009, 02:19:58 PM
I'll agree that it sounds very very much like him. But thats about it heh.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 11, 2009, 04:42:45 PM
I'll agree that it sounds very very much like him. But thats about it heh.

thats all i need... just you to agree with just a lil part of it... youll eventually come to the dark side...
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 12, 2009, 08:37:23 AM
Haha. I watched Empire last night...

"I'll never join YOU!!"
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 12, 2009, 02:13:55 PM
ha! Spike tv is cool...
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 13, 2009, 06:46:34 AM
true true... but it is his voice... outside of the storyline.. you agree??

Okay I will have to listen to this yet again
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 13, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
true true... but it is his voice... outside of the storyline.. you agree??

Okay I will have to listen to this yet again

like ive mentioned before you dont really hear it til the 16. you hear his little lisp. then 23 and the 42 you hear his strong T sound for the 2s. youll listen and know what im talkign about...

Here is the clip when Ajira's flight is crahsing you hear the numbers around 1:26 into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WET3w8qvJaY


Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 13, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
Hey... something else about that scene I just noticed. See how calm Illana was? Yeah... she knew what was going on.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 13, 2009, 02:50:12 PM
Hey... something else about that scene I just noticed. See how calm Illana was? Yeah... she knew what was going on.

Oh ya Illana is more than she seems really... because she was shown that "Jacob" visited her and knew her by name and she knew him. she's more than meets the eye... and i put Jacob in quotes... because there was somethign different about him in that scene... he's wearing all black even black gloves... and when he touches her he touches her with a black gloved hand. this is the only time we see him wearingblack... meaningless??? meaningful??? what you think?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 13, 2009, 03:22:12 PM
Hrmmm. I actually didn't notice that. But I would say yes, that is meaningful. What it means... I have no idea haha.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 13, 2009, 04:13:11 PM
Hey... something else about that scene I just noticed. See how calm Illana was? Yeah... she knew what was going on.

Oh ya Illana is more than she seems really... because she was shown that "Jacob" visited her and knew her by name and she knew him. she's more than meets the eye... and i put Jacob in quotes... because there was somethign different about him in that scene... he's wearing all black even black gloves... and when he touches her he touches her with a black gloved hand. this is the only time we see him wearingblack... meaningless??? meaningful??? what you think?

See I am glad you mentioned this because I am truly believing that Jacob was not Jacob all the time.  I also wonder about them carting around the crate with Locke's body.    If in fact Jacob or MN2 was tying up the loose ends, the folks who would not go back, Sayid and Hurley.  Which makes me wonder if Richard and Ben both really knew about MN2 and if in fact the Jacob that touched the Losties as adults is MN2
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 13, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
i didnt see any other difference in meeting the people as adults from children other than what i said for Illana. as adults or children they all had the same thign happen... being touched and interfering in their lives monumentally or hardly at al but a greeting.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 13, 2009, 04:39:56 PM
I guess I am not making my point, what I mean it is odd that the folks he touched as Adults, some of them were going to be difficult to come back.  But I was thinking out of the box big time
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 13, 2009, 05:33:56 PM
im still confused then.. what do you mean by difficult for them to come back... from what and to what?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 13, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
right I used the wrong word they didn't want to come back.  That is what I mean they needed a prod/convincing they needed to get back but they refused on their own.  Sayid for example Ilana had him handcuffed.  Boy did I argue that she was not a real official enough.  Sayid refused to return to the island - Hurley refused to go to the island. 

That is where I was going
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 14, 2009, 08:45:25 AM
But he wasn't always wearing white when we saw him either. He had a suit on at Sun and Jin's wedding. Some type of jacket at the hospital with Jack... maybe what he was wearing really wasn't that important. He could have just been blending in, you know?
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 14, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
maybe.. but the clothes were a weak theory of mine.. but the fact that HE came to Illana , and they knew each other from somewhere before... and when he touched her... it was with a gloved hand. the gloved hand is my point of concern...
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: grizn0 on August 14, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Yes the fact that they knew each other from before is curious. I'm starting to wonder if Illana wasn't also part of the Black Rock crew. I say also because I'm pretty convinced Richard was on the Black Rock.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 14, 2009, 02:47:35 PM
Yes the fact that they knew each other from before is curious. I'm starting to wonder if Illana wasn't also part of the Black Rock crew. I say also because I'm pretty convinced Richard was on the Black Rock.

I like that.. i didnt think to associate anyone else besides Richard with the black rock... the wway he was dressed as "Hippy Richard" i think thats when he was the first mate of the black rock. ok well i think that richard is the first mate if not Hanso himself. because we know that the black rocks first mates journal was bought by Widmore... then we see Richard making a ship in a bottle of the black rock when "Locke" meets up with him again in 2007. never thought that Illanna... maybe Bram too?? ... be the crew of the black rock? interesting...
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 14, 2009, 02:48:07 PM
maybe.. but the clothes were a weak theory of mine.. but the fact that HE came to Illana , and they knew each other from somewhere before... and when he touched her... it was with a gloved hand. the gloved hand is my point of concern...

Well, the gloved hand was a concern of a certain jury years ago!  Perhaps that is why they had the glove or if he was in a colder climate and hands were cold.

I am not sure if the Black Rock would be so important it came from England so why would Illana be on it?  She was not a slave and her accent and background wouldn't fit a vessel of that nature, IMHO
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Post by: grizn0 on August 14, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
What is her background though? I sure don't know...
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Post by: LostinLock on August 14, 2009, 03:32:26 PM
What I meant is she isn't a Brit.  Naomi was from Manchester UK but not getting that reading from our Illana.

She is some ancient warrior princess 8)
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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 16, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
What about Tom? whats his background? was he recruited? did he answer an add like Mikhail and Inman did? was he always there liek richard or even jacob? and mayeb Illana and Bram?

one question about Naomi ... i just rewatched Through the Looking Glass... and ben introduces himself to her when the 2 groups meet at the radio tower... why didnt she just sneak away.. call the freighter and say ive found ben.. come and get him?
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Post by: LostinLock on August 16, 2009, 06:16:58 PM
What about Tom? whats his background? was he recruited? did he answer an add like Mikhail and Inman did? was he always there liek richard or even jacob? and mayeb Illana and Bram?

one question about Naomi ... i just rewatched Through the Looking Glass... and ben introduces himself to her when the 2 groups meet at the radio tower... why didnt she just sneak away.. call the freighter and say ive found ben.. come and get him?

Yeah regarding Naomi - I know what a dumb thing, but they knew he was on the island it wasn't that big.  But true he was close to be hog tied and delivered.

Not sure about Tom, but he didn't have an issue being there. Another mystery! 
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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 16, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
What about Tom? whats his background? was he recruited? did he answer an add like Mikhail and Inman did? was he always there liek richard or even jacob? and mayeb Illana and Bram?

one question about Naomi ... i just rewatched Through the Looking Glass... and ben introduces himself to her when the 2 groups meet at the radio tower... why didnt she just sneak away.. call the freighter and say ive found ben.. come and get him?

Yeah regarding Naomi - I know what a dumb thing, but they knew he was on the island it wasn't that big.  But true he was close to be hog tied and delivered.

Not sure about Tom, but he didn't have an issue being there. Another mystery! 

Ive been thinking about the Naomi thing... she was shown hireing the Scientific team ... mayeb she didnt know about the 2nd directive that teh militant team was up to.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 16, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
What about Tom? whats his background? was he recruited? did he answer an add like Mikhail and Inman did? was he always there liek richard or even jacob? and mayeb Illana and Bram?

one question about Naomi ... i just rewatched Through the Looking Glass... and ben introduces himself to her when the 2 groups meet at the radio tower... why didnt she just sneak away.. call the freighter and say ive found ben.. come and get him?

Yeah regarding Naomi - I know what a dumb thing, but they knew he was on the island it wasn't that big.  But true he was close to be hog tied and delivered.

Not sure about Tom, but he didn't have an issue being there. Another mystery! 

Ive been thinking about the Naomi thing... she was shown hireing the Scientific team ... mayeb she didnt know about the 2nd directive that teh militant team was up to.

Oh I think she did if Frank knew then she would know, in my mind.  I don't think Abbadon would have left her out she appeared to be involved remember she found Miles at one point?
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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 16, 2009, 08:40:04 PM
What about Tom? whats his background? was he recruited? did he answer an add like Mikhail and Inman did? was he always there liek richard or even jacob? and mayeb Illana and Bram?

one question about Naomi ... i just rewatched Through the Looking Glass... and ben introduces himself to her when the 2 groups meet at the radio tower... why didnt she just sneak away.. call the freighter and say ive found ben.. come and get him?

Yeah regarding Naomi - I know what a dumb thing, but they knew he was on the island it wasn't that big.  But true he was close to be hog tied and delivered.

Not sure about Tom, but he didn't have an issue being there. Another mystery! 

Ive been thinking about the Naomi thing... she was shown hireing the Scientific team ... mayeb she didnt know about the 2nd directive that teh militant team was up to.

Oh I think she did if Frank knew then she would know, in my mind.  I don't think Abbadon would have left her out she appeared to be involved remember she found Miles at one point?

Amen sista
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: LostinLock on August 16, 2009, 09:02:33 PM
The more you re watch along with E.S.B. and some others the more you make us think about some things we took for granted and I am enjoying that.  I hope you continue to share and btw it is nice how you if you do not agree you are explaining your position and well, we discussed this already.  But I wanted to pay you that compliment cause sometimes people forget there will always be someone who does not see things your way and it is okay.  We can be civilized right? 

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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 16, 2009, 09:57:48 PM
of course m'lady
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Post by: LostinLock on August 16, 2009, 10:03:06 PM
It was a generic can we be civilized not me and you , but i think you got that..roflmao.

M'lady oh BR you crack me up sometimes.
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Post by: popular123 on August 20, 2009, 06:27:39 AM
in 2007 we hear it on Franks Ajira flight as its crashing.
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Post by: grizn0 on August 20, 2009, 08:16:06 AM
Thanks spammer, appreciate you pointing that out for us.
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Post by: BadRobot64 on August 23, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
Thanks spammer, appreciate you pointing that out for us.

if youre talkign about "popular123" thats no spammer... you CAN hear it when the ajira flight is crashing... ive metnioned it before.
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Post by: grizn0 on August 24, 2009, 08:31:46 AM
Thanks spammer, appreciate you pointing that out for us.

if youre talkign about "popular123" thats no spammer... you CAN hear it when the ajira flight is crashing... ive metnioned it before.
Ahh, sarcasm is so easily lost on the internet. I know you mentioned it before. You did in the first post of the thread haha. I figured that was a spammer due to the adds for DVD box sets in the signature.
Title: Re: Somethign about the timeline doesnt add up... lil help?
Post by: BadRobot64 on August 25, 2009, 03:52:21 PM
Thanks spammer, appreciate you pointing that out for us.

if youre talkign about "popular123" thats no spammer... you CAN hear it when the ajira flight is crashing... ive metnioned it before.
Ahh, sarcasm is so easily lost on the internet. I know you mentioned it before. You did in the first post of the thread haha. I figured that was a spammer due to the adds for DVD box sets in the signature.

AHHHH my bad .. sorry