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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x15 => Topic started by: dokein on May 07, 2009, 11:44:53 AM

Title: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: dokein on May 07, 2009, 11:44:53 AM
I don't think it's just because I've so many submarines in real life.  That was one of the most awful CGI shots I've seen this decade.  Maybe they were just contracted out that scene to a high school media lab to save the effects budget for the finale.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: Asmodean on May 07, 2009, 11:51:07 AM
My son and I were thinking the same thing.  That was weak CGI.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: tasha-mc35 on May 07, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
I thought the same thing when I saw it.  I would have rather not seen the exterior of the sub at all; just the ripples in the water to let me know they were on their way.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: cablecopulate on May 07, 2009, 12:11:43 PM
It was SciFi movie of the week quality at best.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: jkbeaulieu on May 07, 2009, 12:15:22 PM
Agreed.  Suckiest scene in five seasons.  Would have been better without it.  I mean they made an island disappear, a plane crash, another emergency land, and a freighter explode - all pretty good.  But that 10 second shot was the worst.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: grizn0 on May 07, 2009, 12:25:20 PM
Yes, it wasnt the greatest. But who cares, really? Doesn't take away from the show.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: hyperform on May 07, 2009, 12:33:50 PM
I don't think it's just because I've so many submarines in real life.  That was one of the most awful CGI shots I've seen this decade.  Maybe they were just contracted out that scene to a high school media lab to save the effects budget for the finale.
you clearly haven't seen Wolverine yet

when you do wait for the scene in the bathroom at the old peoples house, now that was bad cgi
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: grizn0 on May 07, 2009, 12:44:01 PM
I don't think it's just because I've so many submarines in real life.  That was one of the most awful CGI shots I've seen this decade.  Maybe they were just contracted out that scene to a high school media lab to save the effects budget for the finale.
you clearly haven't seen Wolverine yet

when you do wait for the scene in the bathroom at the old peoples house, now that was bad cgi
lol, yeah it really was.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: Novashannon on May 07, 2009, 12:49:37 PM
Why didn't they just get footage of an actual sub submerging?  It did not bother me that much.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 07, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
It was SciFi movie of the week quality at best.
lol I was going to say the exact same thing.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: on the island on May 07, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
I thought the freighter explosion was bad, but the scene was necessary.  This scene could have easily been left out which is why it was so much worse.  I'm thinking they developed the Lost video game for the original Nintendo and then stole it from there.  Didn't take away from the show really but it was so obviously bad you have to wonder why they left it in.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on May 07, 2009, 01:10:43 PM
I thought the freighter explosion was bad, but the scene was necessary.  This scene could have easily been left out which is why it was so much worse.  I'm thinking they developed the Lost video game for the original Nintendo and then stole it from there.  Didn't take away from the show really but it was so obviously bad you have to wonder why they left it in.
I think they left it in because of people like me, lol. I always had this nagging idea that maybe the sub didn't actually go anywhere, that it was used as a... I don't know... teleportation room or something. Just because we hadn't seen the sub actually move. Well, now I know the sub moves, so, yeah. Sorry to subject y'all to that terribly executed scene because of my continued doubt.  ::)
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: hyperform on May 07, 2009, 01:12:37 PM
I thought the freighter explosion was bad, but the scene was necessary.  This scene could have easily been left out which is why it was so much worse.  I'm thinking they developed the Lost video game for the original Nintendo and then stole it from there.  Didn't take away from the show really but it was so obviously bad you have to wonder why they left it in.
I think they left it in because of people like me, lol. I always had this nagging idea that maybe the sub didn't actually go anywhere, that it was used as a... I don't know... teleportation room or something. Just because we hadn't seen the sub actually move. Well, now I know the sub moves, so, yeah. Sorry to subject y'all to that terribly executed scene because of my continued doubt.  ::)
I was never convinced that it moved in 04, but that doesn't mean that it didn't work at some point in time.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: Novashannon on May 07, 2009, 01:41:28 PM
I thought the freighter explosion was bad, but the scene was necessary.  This scene could have easily been left out which is why it was so much worse.  I'm thinking they developed the Lost video game for the original Nintendo and then stole it from there.  Didn't take away from the show really but it was so obviously bad you have to wonder why they left it in.
I think they left it in because of people like me, lol. I always had this nagging idea that maybe the sub didn't actually go anywhere, that it was used as a... I don't know... teleportation room or something. Just because we hadn't seen the sub actually move. Well, now I know the sub moves, so, yeah. Sorry to subject y'all to that terribly executed scene because of my continued doubt.  ::)

Yeah, why else would they drug the people first?
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 07, 2009, 02:57:35 PM
I thought the freighter explosion was good actually, but yeah I thought the same thing as everyone else: the sub CGI was really cheap looking.  Like UPN/Star Trek: The Next Generation cheap.  Hopefully they replace it with something better when it comes to DVD/Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: trodge on May 07, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
Not being from the States I just looked up Ann Arbor Michigan and where it is in the states...

Can someone explain to me how exactly a sub would get them there? Ann Arbor is seriously land locked...

I think the sub is a rouse, they're in it for 5-10 minutes and then get taken somewhere else and then flown somewhere...hence the reason for being "a sleep"...
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: hyperform on May 07, 2009, 04:49:44 PM
they could be subbed into Portland, and then fly or whatever to Ann Arbour, I think the only reason they mention it, is because that is where University of Michigan (hisssss, Buckeye fan) is located, and that is where the DI began
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on May 07, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
That's what Sawyer was talking about on the sub, too. That they don't have to go to Ann Arbor, they'll just get away from the DI in whatever port the sub docks in. It is all very strange, though.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: tonysee200x on May 07, 2009, 05:10:17 PM
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I think the sub is a rouse, they're in it for 5-10 minutes and then get taken somewhere else and then flown somewhere...hence the reason for being "a sleep"...

I am trying to figure out how Sawyer Kate and Juliet end up on the island (I assume they do and from the preview I think they do) and other like baby miles and his Mom, Charlotte etc, get back to the states (again like I assume they do).

The sub is a rouse would sure help make it work -  ;D Maybe the CGI was bad because it is really a fake ;D
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on May 07, 2009, 05:14:21 PM
lol.... the people on the island saw the exact same crappy special effects that we did? awesome.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: joshzam on May 07, 2009, 10:23:29 PM
The CGI was bad enough to make me comment out loud about it - and there's NO TALKING during Lost! But first prize would have to go to Ben's Smokey encounter from Dead Is Dead.

How much do you think it cost to create the CGI submarine for that scene? More than the cost of renting a real one for a day?
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: patrixmith on May 07, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
HAHAHA! Oh my gosh, I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed this... Yeah, I laughed, and then I was extremely depressed by it. Worst scene so far in LOST history.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on May 07, 2009, 10:33:31 PM
Um... what about when they were going to air the episode with the polar bear, and the scene was them flinging the polar bear skin towards Sawyer? lol... that was pretty terrible too, but at least they fixed that one.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: IFP on May 08, 2009, 03:11:51 AM
Ah yes, but the CGI polar bear that was trying to get Walt out of the tree was pretty cringe-worthy. 
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on May 08, 2009, 03:29:47 AM
It was SciFi movie of the week quality at best.

My brother said the exact same thing. I don't think they will ever rival the awesome effects of the pilot. It's not like the smoke monster is terribly convincing, specially when it first appeared. But smoke is always tough, that sub should have looked better. There was no detail and no texture to it, it's was bland.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: trodge on May 08, 2009, 09:39:46 AM
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I think the sub is a rouse, they're in it for 5-10 minutes and then get taken somewhere else and then flown somewhere...hence the reason for being "a sleep"...

I am trying to figure out how Sawyer Kate and Juliet end up on the island (I assume they do and from the preview I think they do) and other like baby miles and his Mom, Charlotte etc, get back to the states (again like I assume they do).

The sub is a rouse would sure help make it work -  ;D Maybe the CGI was bad because it is really a fake ;D

I can't believe they actually showed us those 3 back on the island in the preview, wouldn't it have been better to let us "think" they've left for one week? Then we start questioning the sub and where it goes.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: joshzam on May 08, 2009, 06:43:17 PM
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I think the sub is a rouse, they're in it for 5-10 minutes and then get taken somewhere else and then flown somewhere...hence the reason for being "a sleep"...

I am trying to figure out how Sawyer Kate and Juliet end up on the island (I assume they do and from the preview I think they do) and other like baby miles and his Mom, Charlotte etc, get back to the states (again like I assume they do).

The sub is a rouse would sure help make it work -  ;D Maybe the CGI was bad because it is really a fake ;D

I can't believe they actually showed us those 3 back on the island in the preview, wouldn't it have been better to let us "think" they've left for one week? Then we start questioning the sub and where it goes.

That's EXACTLY why many of us choose not to watch the previews!!!
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: MangoBingo on May 08, 2009, 08:19:15 PM
Was it CGI? I thought it was a little model. I loved the fact that it was so... hokey.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: E.S.B. on May 08, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
I actually noticed this scene too.  And it was sad to me as I've always thought the special effects, cinematography and overall production of this show was terrific.  This is the effect of the recession - even the money-making TV shows are forced to make budget cuts (remember they cancelled the Dharma ARG last Summer).  Oh well.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: CameronLee on May 09, 2009, 11:29:52 AM
Bad CG is hardly ever because of budget cuts, it's because of lack of time. They rushed this.

But yer I noticed this too, usually when I watch Lost, I'm under the illusion that everything I see is real, this is the only scene I've saw that snapped me out of that.
Title: Re: How about that awful CGI with the submarine?
Post by: norville on May 09, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Not being from the States I just looked up Ann Arbor Michigan and where it is in the states...

Can someone explain to me how exactly a sub would get them there? Ann Arbor is seriously land locked...
Like hyperform said, surely they dock somewhere else and then travel over land (or air) to Ann Arbor.  You could get pretty close via submarine, though, if you could manage to (a) get into the Atlantic Ocean somehow (Panama canal?), then (b) steam up the Hudson river from NYC to Albany, then (c) across New York via the Eerie Canal to Lake Eerie... then in theory you could go (d) right up the Huron river straight into the U of M campus in Ann Arbor, if only there weren't a dam on the Huron.  :-/  Even so, without that last leg, you could maybe get a submarine within 35 miles of Ann Arbor, due to the many shipping canals that criss-cross the Great Lakes region.

Anyway, it was a fun little off-topic trip in Google Earth... reminded me of an old 16mm film they used to show us in grade school called "Journey to the Sea"...