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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x14 => Topic started by: norville on April 30, 2009, 10:48:17 AM

Title: Where was Ellie?
Post by: norville on April 30, 2009, 10:48:17 AM
I had a crazy thought this morning as I was leaving my dream state and entering the new day.  When Daniel entered the Others' camp and was told by Richard the Ellie was not there right now -- what if Richard was telling the truth?  What if he wasn't simply "call screening" for her -- what if she wasn't in the camp (or even on the island) at that moment?  What if the Island brought her there to shoot Daniel?  (It's been a while since we've seen the mythical "magic box" do its work -- or has it?)

I was just wondering if maybe Ellie's sudden appearance and shooting of Daniel was the Island's "course correction" for the change Daniel was about to attempt.  I'd sure like to see some of these scenes from the perspective of Ellie or Richard... maybe that wish will be granted next week?
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: Des on April 30, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
Sorry, but I strongly hope this is not how the story unfolds...
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 30, 2009, 03:34:51 PM
Sorry, but I strongly hope this is not how the story unfolds...

I'm so with you on this.
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: WhatThe on April 30, 2009, 04:18:30 PM
Nah, because Richard didn't act at all surprised to see here there. He simply said "Why did you shoot him, he wasn't going to shoot me" (or words to that effect). You'd think he would have said "Ellie! Where did you come from?" if what you're thinking about had happened.
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 30, 2009, 05:56:43 PM
Either Richard was following one of the buddy rules: "Do not disclose your buddy's location when people with guns ask about them by name." Or he was being polite and didn't want to inform Daniel the woman he was looking for was taking a dump in the bushes.
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: vickilynn on April 30, 2009, 07:08:01 PM
Either Richard was following one of the buddy rules: "Do not disclose your buddy's location when people with guns ask about them by name." Or he was being polite and didn't want to inform Daniel the woman he was looking for was taking a dump in the bushes.

Thank you for the bit of comic relief!
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 01, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
Either Richard was following one of the buddy rules: "Do not disclose your buddy's location when people with guns ask about them by name." Or he was being polite and didn't want to inform Daniel the woman he was looking for was taking a dump in the bushes.

Or she was honestly not there, and had walked into camp at that moment.
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: MangoBingo on May 01, 2009, 04:30:28 PM
Sorry, but I strongly hope this is not how the story unfolds...

I'm so with you on this.

(http://lifeshifting.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/doorway-to-possibility-2.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: Jas0n on May 01, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
You know what baffles me is what Eloise said to Daniel in the 50's "you just couldnt stay away, could you?" How many times had she met up with him before she actually gave birth to him?
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 01, 2009, 04:52:25 PM
You know what baffles me is what Eloise said to Daniel in the 50's "you just couldnt stay away, could you?" How many times had she met up with him before she actually gave birth to him?

When she said that, she was saying it in regards to the soldiers that were coming to the island. It was more of a general comment than a specific one.
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: jugdish on May 01, 2009, 10:38:48 PM
Not a big mystery. When a stranger strolls into camp and asks for someone, the Others do not just point to her. They were being a little cautious
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: norville on May 02, 2009, 01:23:56 AM
Okay, okay, I see that my idle musing has not been well received.  I am glad to discard the theory -- it's not like I'm stuck on it or convinced it's true.  But before I do, I'll just share the second half of the theory:

Why is it that whenever somebody goes out wandering in the jungle, suddenly Richard and a few of the Others suddenly appear out of the trees, right where they are?  I mean, they cross the stream, and *boom*, there Richard & his posse are.  This has happened too many times to be a coincidence.  Doesn't anybody besides me think that's either (a) lazy storytelling, or (b) something more noteworthy?

Of course maybe there is some perfectly rational explanation for why Richard knows right where intruders are going to be at any point in time.  (Although the specific and Jacob-esque lack of technological gadgets in their camp makes me suspect they don't have a system of security cameras mounted in the trees.)  But as I was pondering my lame theory about "the box" having brought Ellie back to camp at that moment, it also occurred to me that maybe it was also "the box" bringing Richard and his posse to wherever they needed to be at the time.  If they were all used to being "called" to places in this manner, then of course nobody would bat an eyelash at Ellie suddenly appearing, no matter where she might have been.

However, let me just stem the tide of unpopularity by saying that I, too, find this extremely farfetched.  Nobody needs to tell me what a lame idea it is... if you don't like it, just comment elsewhere and let this miserable thread slip quietly off page 1 and into obscurity.
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on May 02, 2009, 01:46:18 AM
Okay, okay, I see that my idle musing has not been well received.  I am glad to discard the theory -- it's not like I'm stuck on it or convinced it's true.  But before I do, I'll just share the second half of the theory:

Why is it that whenever somebody goes out wandering in the jungle, suddenly Richard and a few of the Others suddenly appear out of the trees, right where they are?  I mean, they cross the stream, and *boom*, there Richard & his posse are.  This has happened too many times to be a coincidence.  Doesn't anybody besides me think that's either (a) lazy storytelling, or (b) something more noteworthy?

Of course maybe there is some perfectly rational explanation for why Richard knows right where intruders are going to be at any point in time.  (Although the specific and Jacob-esque lack of technological gadgets in their camp makes me suspect they don't have a system of security cameras mounted in the trees.)  But as I was pondering my lame theory about "the box" having brought Ellie back to camp at that moment, it also occurred to me that maybe it was also "the box" bringing Richard and his posse to wherever they needed to be at the time.  If they were all used to being "called" to places in this manner, then of course nobody would bat an eyelash at Ellie suddenly appearing, no matter where she might have been.

However, let me just stem the tide of unpopularity by saying that I, too, find this extremely farfetched.  Nobody needs to tell me what a lame idea it is... if you don't like it, just comment elsewhere and let this miserable thread slip quietly off page 1 and into obscurity.

Well I have always wondered how they suddenly appear out of nowhere and I think it is noteworthy
I also like reading theories even if they seem far fetched..so where is this box theory?
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: norville on May 02, 2009, 02:55:51 AM
LostGirlDeb... I was just referring to the message with which I started this thread.  I was thinking back to the way some things just seem to appear out of nowhere on the Island, which Ben once metaphorically described to Locke as a "magic box".  And I was wondering, whatever this "box" is, if it's also related to why Ellie appeared out of nowhere to shoot Daniel, and by extension whether it is related to how Richard & his posse so often appear out of nowhere to intercept the Losties on the Others' turf.  It's obviously not a fully developed theory; it's barely a coherent idea.  I'm not advocating it, just raising it as a possibility to see if anybody thinks it has any potential.

This is in direct opposition to the "Spidey-sense" theory I have seen bandied about lately -- that somehow the Others sense or innately feel incursions into their territory by non-Others.  I myself find that one a little hard to swallow. ;)
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: MangoBingo on May 03, 2009, 12:11:31 AM
LostGirlDeb... I was just referring to the message with which I started this thread.  I was thinking back to the way some things just seem to appear out of nowhere on the Island, which Ben once metaphorically described to Locke as a "magic box".  And I was wondering, whatever this "box" is, if it's also related to why Ellie appeared out of nowhere to shoot Daniel, and by extension whether it is related to how Richard & his posse so often appear out of nowhere to intercept the Losties on the Others' turf.  It's obviously not a fully developed theory; it's barely a coherent idea.  I'm not advocating it, just raising it as a possibility to see if anybody thinks it has any potential.

This is in direct opposition to the "Spidey-sense" theory I have seen bandied about lately -- that somehow the Others sense or innately feel incursions into their territory by non-Others.  I myself find that one a little hard to swallow. ;)

I'm a firm believer that "the magic box" which brought Anthony Cooper (and presumably Tom back) to the Island is an actual teleportation device of some sort; or at least a transdimensional portal.

Richard popped-up at Locke's birth, prior to the Others commandeering the D.I.'s submarine... Widmore popped-up pretty quickly at that hospital in L.A. ...
Title: Re: Where was Ellie?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 04, 2009, 04:29:24 PM
LostGirlDeb... I was just referring to the message with which I started this thread.  I was thinking back to the way some things just seem to appear out of nowhere on the Island, which Ben once metaphorically described to Locke as a "magic box".  And I was wondering, whatever this "box" is, if it's also related to why Ellie appeared out of nowhere to shoot Daniel, and by extension whether it is related to how Richard & his posse so often appear out of nowhere to intercept the Losties on the Others' turf.  It's obviously not a fully developed theory; it's barely a coherent idea.  I'm not advocating it, just raising it as a possibility to see if anybody thinks it has any potential.

This is in direct opposition to the "Spidey-sense" theory I have seen bandied about lately -- that somehow the Others sense or innately feel incursions into their territory by non-Others.  I myself find that one a little hard to swallow. ;)

Well, if they are in tuned with the island well enough, this could make sense. I've never heard it/read it anywhere, so I'm going on your word about it. As for your box theory, don't be so hard on yourself. Just because people don't agree, that's no reason to give up. Relax.