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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x14 => Topic started by: rhythm on April 30, 2009, 12:16:33 AM

Title: Charlotte
Post by: rhythm on April 30, 2009, 12:16:33 AM
Okay, can someone tell me when Daniel fell in love with Charlotte?  How long was that frieghter ride?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jugdish on April 30, 2009, 12:18:46 AM
It looks like Daniel falls in love pretty fast. It would take a good week. I think they did some pre departure work. Organizing and preparing for the trip.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 30, 2009, 12:19:46 AM
Daniel is a little crazy. What other girls were in the boat? Naomi, who he knew he had no chance with. And there was that Zoe Bell character that got all but 45 seconds of screen time. You figure Danny boy being a bit out of his mind simply obsessed over the chick he had a snowball chance of banging.

But that whole scene with little Charlotte was just uncomfortable. It was weird. The bad kind of weird.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: rhythm on April 30, 2009, 12:24:08 AM
I agree.  And I kept thinking- "Why aren't any of the adults alarmed by this man talking to this little girl?!" 
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: norville on April 30, 2009, 01:24:40 AM
At least it's easy to see why the experience scared her so badly as a little child -- and probably why she blocked it out/suppressed the memory until it resurfaced on her deathbed.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 30, 2009, 02:41:01 AM
Well, he seems less crazy since his visit to Ann Arbor...why didn't he just talk to Charlotte's mom instead? That seems more logical.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: KoKoNut on April 30, 2009, 03:18:07 AM
Well, he seems less crazy since his visit to Ann Arbor...why didn't he just talk to Charlotte's mom instead? That seems more logical.

Just seeing her as a little child, he was probably desperate to save her.  He felt that because they are variables, they could actually change the future.  He didn't have time, and she was there so he just went to her.  That's my guess anyway.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WhatThe on April 30, 2009, 05:27:58 AM
Maybe he fell in love with her because he's always been in love with her? You know, that whole time loop thing lol.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: lostfromthestart on April 30, 2009, 09:05:12 AM
Daniel never received love from his mother, just pressure.  He only agreed to go to the island for Widmore because his mother confirmed that just going would make her proud of him.  He seeks her approval so desperately.  I am sure he would easily fall for any woman who would show him the least bit of encouragement.

OK, so I took some psychology in college.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: rhythm on April 30, 2009, 09:09:58 AM
Maybe he fell in love with her because he's always been in love with her? You know, that whole time loop thing lol.

But I don't think this is like Ground Hog Day....although, you know last night I was thinking.

Remember waayyyyy back in Season 1 when Smokey was approaching the beach and Rose said (loosely) "It sounds familiar".  So last night I was like "I wonder if it sounded familiar because THEY EXPERIENCED THIS BEFORE!!!"

But I don't really believe that.  My opinion though..
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Falam on April 30, 2009, 09:31:05 AM
I agree.  And I kept thinking- "Why aren't any of the adults alarmed by this man talking to this little girl?!" 

Funny I kept thinking that if Charlotte's not supposed to eat chocolate before dinner, why's she out there on the swing set and not hiding behind a Dharma condo stuffing her face..?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Des on April 30, 2009, 09:33:18 AM
Well, he seems less crazy since his visit to Ann Arbor...why didn't he just talk to Charlotte's mom instead? That seems more logical.

Because Charlotte's Mom would have FREAKED OUT. Whereas Charlotte only recalled the "crazy man" on her deathbed.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: trodge on April 30, 2009, 10:46:29 AM
In regards to people asking where her mom was, I'm thinking they don't want us knowing who her mom is, just yet...I think it's going to be a huge reveal when it does happen...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: grizn0 on April 30, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
In regards to people asking where her mom was, I'm thinking they don't want us knowing who her mom is, just yet...I think it's going to be a huge reveal when it does happen...
Good point tordge. I was wondering why we didn't see her mom last night. I was kind of expecting to.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Novashannon on April 30, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
I agree.  And I kept thinking- "Why aren't any of the adults alarmed by this man talking to this little girl?!" 
It was the seventies, and we were not as paranoid about the possibility of child molesting as we are now.  It is possible for adults to enjoy children in a purely friendly way and not to have inappropriate feelings for them!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: trodge on April 30, 2009, 12:15:47 PM
Another reason people might not have freaked out about the situation.  This is Dharmaville, everyone knows everyone.

It's not like there is a guy in a car down the street watching kids or a strange man in the backyard talking to kids.

It's just crazy Danny boy who's no danger to anyone talking to a kid.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: nomteticus on April 30, 2009, 12:16:25 PM
It makes sense that he told her since there are three possible outcomes:

1) Daniel saves the day and Charlotte lives
2) Daniel doesn't save the day and Charlotte dies in the purge in 1992
3) Daniel doesn't save the day but Charlotte leaves the island and returns to die in 2004

So telling her bought her 12 years of life. Strange though, him being his mother's son, that he didn't know about course correction, that even if (1) happens, she can still die in a different way, like Charlie did.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: BobBX542 on April 30, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
In regards to people asking where her mom was, I'm thinking they don't want us knowing who her mom is, just yet...I think it's going to be a huge reveal when it does happen...

Didn't think of this until you just said it, but what if Charlotte's mom, is Ellie. I know that's a bit of a stretch, but it would explain why they haven't shown us who Charlotte's mom is, where Ellie was when Daniel came into the camp looking for her, and why Ellie left the island.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: KoKoNut on April 30, 2009, 04:07:15 PM
I've been revisitting old LOST episodes and in the backstory of Mr. Eko, a priest sends him to the house of a young girl who had drowned and then when the doctor was performing an autopsy, she came back to life.  A recording of the girl screaming was played for Eko and he was sent to the girl's house to do an investigation.  The girl looked about 14 or 15 (maybe she was older??) with red hair.  Her name was Charlotte.  She was the daughter of the psychic who had told Claire that she was the only one who could look after Aaron. 

I am not sure if this was coincidence, but found it bizarre that there were two characters named Charlotte. This girl was starting to have visions after her "near death" experience and had warned Eko not to get on the plane to Oceanic. 

Could she be one and the same?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WhatThe on April 30, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
I agree.  And I kept thinking- "Why aren't any of the adults alarmed by this man talking to this little girl?!" 
It was the seventies, and we were not as paranoid about the possibility of child molesting as we are now.  It is possible for adults to enjoy children in a purely friendly way and not to have inappropriate feelings for them!

Yep, plus it was within the safety of the Dharma village on a remote island where only those carefully screened would ever go to. It's not like he walked up to her off the street or something lol...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WhatThe on April 30, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
I've been revisitting old LOST episodes and in the backstory of Mr. Eko, a priest sends him to the house of a young girl who had drowned and then when the doctor was performing an autopsy, she came back to life.  A recording of the girl screaming was played for Eko and he was sent to the girl's house to do an investigation.  The girl looked about 14 or 15 (maybe she was older??) with red hair.  Her name was Charlotte.  She was the daughter of the psychic who had told Claire that she was the only one who could look after Aaron. 

I am not sure if this was coincidence, but found it bizarre that there were two characters named Charlotte. This girl was starting to have visions after her "near death" experience and had warned Eko not to get on the plane to Oceanic. 

Could she be one and the same?

I'm gonna assume it's "no" because the ages wouldn't match up. Charlotte would have been older at her time of meeting Echo (she was the same girl who went to the airport and talked to Echo then as well, right?)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Bostonlost on April 30, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
I don't know if this has been said but I never got the sense she was that much older than than Faraday
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: KoKoNut on April 30, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
I've been revisitting old LOST episodes and in the backstory of Mr. Eko, a priest sends him to the house of a young girl who had drowned and then when the doctor was performing an autopsy, she came back to life.  A recording of the girl screaming was played for Eko and he was sent to the girl's house to do an investigation.  The girl looked about 14 or 15 (maybe she was older??) with red hair.  Her name was Charlotte.  She was the daughter of the psychic who had told Claire that she was the only one who could look after Aaron. 

I am not sure if this was coincidence, but found it bizarre that there were two characters named Charlotte. This girl was starting to have visions after her "near death" experience and had warned Eko not to get on the plane to Oceanic. 

Could she be one and the same?

I'm gonna assume it's "no" because the ages wouldn't match up. Charlotte would have been older at her time of meeting Echo (she was the same girl who went to the airport and talked to Echo then as well, right?)

Yeah that's what I figured. Their similarities were a bit unnerving.  She even had the same accent. 

I think she was supposed to be close to the same age as Dan?  Not sure. 
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: rhythm on April 30, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
I agree.  And I kept thinking- "Why aren't any of the adults alarmed by this man talking to this little girl?!" 
It was the seventies, and we were not as paranoid about the possibility of child molesting as we are now.  It is possible for adults to enjoy children in a purely friendly way and not to have inappropriate feelings for them!
Yeah, I concur.  I actually considered that right after I posted that.  It wasn't until the 80s that people started paying more attention to child abuse and started to be more vigilant.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: joshzam on May 01, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
I've been revisitting old LOST episodes and in the backstory of Mr. Eko, a priest sends him to the house of a young girl who had drowned and then when the doctor was performing an autopsy, she came back to life.  A recording of the girl screaming was played for Eko and he was sent to the girl's house to do an investigation.  The girl looked about 14 or 15 (maybe she was older??) with red hair.  Her name was Charlotte.  She was the daughter of the psychic who had told Claire that she was the only one who could look after Aaron. 

I am not sure if this was coincidence, but found it bizarre that there were two characters named Charlotte. This girl was starting to have visions after her "near death" experience and had warned Eko not to get on the plane to Oceanic. 

Could she be one and the same?

I loved this idea! Nice one. So I went back and watched those bits of episode 2x21. I'm afraid it turns out that girls name was Charlotte Malcolm. Our Charlotte's last name is Lewis. And, as has been pointed out, the girl was much younger than our Charlotte. She was only 17(?) when she stopped Eko in the airport before his flight to tell him about meeting up with Yemi again soon.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2009, 09:39:24 PM
I've been revisitting old LOST episodes and in the backstory of Mr. Eko, a priest sends him to the house of a young girl who had drowned and then when the doctor was performing an autopsy, she came back to life.  A recording of the girl screaming was played for Eko and he was sent to the girl's house to do an investigation.  The girl looked about 14 or 15 (maybe she was older??) with red hair.  Her name was Charlotte.  She was the daughter of the psychic who had told Claire that she was the only one who could look after Aaron. 

I am not sure if this was coincidence, but found it bizarre that there were two characters named Charlotte. This girl was starting to have visions after her "near death" experience and had warned Eko not to get on the plane to Oceanic. 

Could she be one and the same?

I loved this idea! Nice one. So I went back and watched those bits of episode 2x21. I'm afraid it turns out that girls name was Charlotte Malcolm. Our Charlotte's last name is Lewis. And, as has been pointed out, the girl was much younger than our Charlotte. She was only 17(?) when she stopped Eko in the airport before his flight to tell him about meeting up with Yemi again soon.

Ahhhh joshzam! I'm so glad one of us pays attention to detail (like the girl's last name!) LOL!  I was pretty sure it wasn't her because of the age difference, but wow, it had me going there for a while!!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Adriana on May 06, 2009, 01:18:26 AM
Did anyone else observe/think that Teresa's accent sounded exactly like Charlotte?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Souldrinker on May 06, 2009, 12:07:33 PM
Did anyone else observe/think that Teresa's accent sounded exactly like Charlotte?

Well , their both british ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Adriana on May 06, 2009, 12:15:37 PM
Maybe accent isn't the right word.  Indeed they are both British, but there is some twang or mannerism to Charlotte's accent that I feel is fairly Charlotte-specific.  I felt like Teresa's twang and voice itself very closely mirrored Charlotte's in a way other British girls' voices don't.

I might have just had Charlotte on the brain when watching, but I thought it was fitting that Daniel was subconsciously attracted to the same auditory characteristics in two girls.

I see I am alone here ... haha.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 06, 2009, 12:32:40 PM
I still see no reason for Dan to tell Charlotte at all. What was she 5? How is telling her going to save her life?

Mom, Dad I know you are busy with your research for this Dharma company and all but a creepy guy just came up to me while I was on the swing eating chocolate before dinner like I am not allowed to. He told me that I need to leave the island and never return or I will die. So lets get our bags packed and get off of this island and return to the UK.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: joshzam on May 06, 2009, 02:09:08 PM
I still see no reason for Dan to tell Charlotte at all. What was she 5? How is telling her going to save her life?

Mom, Dad I know you are busy with your research for this Dharma company and all but a creepy guy just came up to me while I was on the swing eating chocolate before dinner like I am not allowed to. He told me that I need to leave the island and never return or I will die. So lets get our bags packed and get off of this island and return to the UK.

I think he told her for him. Not for her. He obviously wants to try and help her and that was the best he could do. He hadn't realized the whole "variable" theory yet so I doubt he thought that warning her would actually do any good. But he felt he had to at least do something.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: BobBX542 on May 06, 2009, 02:22:05 PM
I still see no reason for Dan to tell Charlotte at all. What was she 5? How is telling her going to save her life?

Mom, Dad I know you are busy with your research for this Dharma company and all but a creepy guy just came up to me while I was on the swing eating chocolate before dinner like I am not allowed to. He told me that I need to leave the island and never return or I will die. So lets get our bags packed and get off of this island and return to the UK.

I think he told her for him. Not for her. He obviously wants to try and help her and that was the best he could do. He hadn't realized the whole "variable" theory yet so I doubt he thought that warning her would actually do any good. But he felt he had to at least do something.

I'm pretty sure he had the idea about the variable(s) theory. Why else come back to the island??
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: joshzam on May 07, 2009, 08:01:22 PM
I still see no reason for Dan to tell Charlotte at all. What was she 5? How is telling her going to save her life?

Mom, Dad I know you are busy with your research for this Dharma company and all but a creepy guy just came up to me while I was on the swing eating chocolate before dinner like I am not allowed to. He told me that I need to leave the island and never return or I will die. So lets get our bags packed and get off of this island and return to the UK.

I think he told her for him. Not for her. He obviously wants to try and help her and that was the best he could do. He hadn't realized the whole "variable" theory yet so I doubt he thought that warning her would actually do any good. But he felt he had to at least do something.

I'm pretty sure he had the idea about the variable(s) theory. Why else come back to the island??

Why would he come back to the Island? Because he was a mental basket case, Widmore wanted him to go, and his mom told him it would make her proud.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: BobBX542 on May 08, 2009, 01:01:22 PM
I still see no reason for Dan to tell Charlotte at all. What was she 5? How is telling her going to save her life?

Mom, Dad I know you are busy with your research for this Dharma company and all but a creepy guy just came up to me while I was on the swing eating chocolate before dinner like I am not allowed to. He told me that I need to leave the island and never return or I will die. So lets get our bags packed and get off of this island and return to the UK.

I think he told her for him. Not for her. He obviously wants to try and help her and that was the best he could do. He hadn't realized the whole "variable" theory yet so I doubt he thought that warning her would actually do any good. But he felt he had to at least do something.

I'm pretty sure he had the idea about the variable(s) theory. Why else come back to the island??

Why would he come back to the Island? Because he was a mental basket case, Widmore wanted him to go, and his mom told him it would make her proud.

He was so not a mental basket case back in 1977. He was fine at that point (except for the losing Charlotte issue). And Widmore and his mother wanted him to go when he was in 2004, so the issue of making his mother proud is null and void at this point.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: joshzam on May 08, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
I still see no reason for Dan to tell Charlotte at all. What was she 5? How is telling her going to save her life?

Mom, Dad I know you are busy with your research for this Dharma company and all but a creepy guy just came up to me while I was on the swing eating chocolate before dinner like I am not allowed to. He told me that I need to leave the island and never return or I will die. So lets get our bags packed and get off of this island and return to the UK.

I think he told her for him. Not for her. He obviously wants to try and help her and that was the best he could do. He hadn't realized the whole "variable" theory yet so I doubt he thought that warning her would actually do any good. But he felt he had to at least do something.

I'm pretty sure he had the idea about the variable(s) theory. Why else come back to the island??

Why would he come back to the Island? Because he was a mental basket case, Widmore wanted him to go, and his mom told him it would make her proud.

He was so not a mental basket case back in 1977. He was fine at that point (except for the losing Charlotte issue). And Widmore and his mother wanted him to go when he was in 2004, so the issue of making his mother proud is null and void at this point.

Which Daniel are you talking about "in 1977"? The unborn one, or the one who was just sent back through time? If you mean the adult Daniel was not a basket case in 1977, that is because he was recently healed by the Island upon his return. Before coming back to the Island, he was a basket case. The only reason he came back was because his mother and Widmore orchestrated his return - not because he had a plan to change history with his new variable theory. He could barely tie his own shoes.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: BobBX542 on May 12, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
Which Daniel are you talking about "in 1977"? The unborn one, or the one who was just sent back through time? If you mean the adult Daniel was not a basket case in 1977, that is because he was recently healed by the Island upon his return. Before coming back to the Island, he was a basket case. The only reason he came back was because his mother and Widmore orchestrated his return - not because he had a plan to change history with his new variable theory. He could barely tie his own shoes.

Wait, I think you and I are getting our Daniel's mixed up. First and Foremost, I'm not talking about the parasite that Elloise is pregnant with, so when I say Daniel, that shouldn't even be in your head.

As far as the Daniel that is in 1977, that is the same one that came to the island in 2004. Now, when he got to the island, yes, there was something wrong with his brain, but after the FDW got turned, he seemed to get better and more focused. I think that was when the healing process was finished.

BUT, the daniel that is on the island in 1977 (the one I originally was posting about) came back to the island (from Ann Arbour) because he had the variable theory, and wanted to change things.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: joshzam on May 12, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
Which Daniel are you talking about "in 1977"? The unborn one, or the one who was just sent back through time? If you mean the adult Daniel was not a basket case in 1977, that is because he was recently healed by the Island upon his return. Before coming back to the Island, he was a basket case. The only reason he came back was because his mother and Widmore orchestrated his return - not because he had a plan to change history with his new variable theory. He could barely tie his own shoes.

Wait, I think you and I are getting our Daniel's mixed up. First and Foremost, I'm not talking about the parasite that Elloise is pregnant with, so when I say Daniel, that shouldn't even be in your head.

As far as the Daniel that is in 1977, that is the same one that came to the island in 2004. Now, when he got to the island, yes, there was something wrong with his brain, but after the FDW got turned, he seemed to get better and more focused. I think that was when the healing process was finished.

BUT, the daniel that is on the island in 1977 (the one I originally was posting about) came back to the island (from Ann Arbour) because he had the variable theory, and wanted to change things.

OH!!! Back to the Island from ANN ARBOUR!!! We were talking about the same Daneil, just different return trips to the Island! OK, let me go back and re-read everything...

Yeah, I'm with you now :)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: BobBX542 on May 12, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Which Daniel are you talking about "in 1977"? The unborn one, or the one who was just sent back through time? If you mean the adult Daniel was not a basket case in 1977, that is because he was recently healed by the Island upon his return. Before coming back to the Island, he was a basket case. The only reason he came back was because his mother and Widmore orchestrated his return - not because he had a plan to change history with his new variable theory. He could barely tie his own shoes.

Wait, I think you and I are getting our Daniel's mixed up. First and Foremost, I'm not talking about the parasite that Elloise is pregnant with, so when I say Daniel, that shouldn't even be in your head.

As far as the Daniel that is in 1977, that is the same one that came to the island in 2004. Now, when he got to the island, yes, there was something wrong with his brain, but after the FDW got turned, he seemed to get better and more focused. I think that was when the healing process was finished.

BUT, the daniel that is on the island in 1977 (the one I originally was posting about) came back to the island (from Ann Arbour) because he had the variable theory, and wanted to change things.

OH!!! Back to the Island from ANN ARBOUR!!! We were talking about the same Daneil, just different return trips to the Island! OK, let me go back and re-read everything...

Yeah, I'm with you now :)

I knew we were getting crossed somewhere.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Maddog13 on May 13, 2009, 09:09:31 AM
How is Daniel not born yet and Charlotte is about 5 year old she looked alot younger than him before she died.  Ellie isn't pregnant with Dan, it could be Penny!! :o but then again Penny isn't younger than Charlotte either. I dunno but seems to me that if its Dan its an error.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: lostlady on May 13, 2009, 09:25:42 AM
Eloise is not Penny's mother. So she is either pregnant with daniel and he looks older than he is or he has a sibling we don't know about.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: BobBX542 on May 13, 2009, 10:41:56 AM
How is Daniel not born yet and Charlotte is about 5 year old she looked alot younger than him before she died.  Ellie isn't pregnant with Dan, it could be Penny!! :o but then again Penny isn't younger than Charlotte either. I dunno but seems to me that if its Dan its an error.

It is possible that Daniel is already born, and is just not on the island. But also, keep in mind that if Daniel has not been born yet, and Charlotte is by default older than him, she probably takes better care of herself than Dan does. I know that is kind of sexist to say that, but it seems to be the most reasonable answer.