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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x14 => Topic started by: Folly529 on April 29, 2009, 11:18:41 PM

Title: He's my son, too.
Post by: Folly529 on April 29, 2009, 11:18:41 PM
Ok, this is the gloat zone for all of us who thought that Dan was indeed the son of both Eloise and Charles!
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 29, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
Go us?
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Still_lost06 on April 29, 2009, 11:21:01 PM
So I guess that Ellie leaves the island before Charles. Remember one of the reasons he was kicked off was because he had a child with a woman off the island.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Folly529 on April 29, 2009, 11:22:30 PM
So I guess that Ellie leaves the island before Charles. Remember one of the reasons he was kicked off was because he had a child with a woman off the island.

We don't know that the child Ben referenced was Dan.  Could have been (and my money is on) Penelope.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: CastawayCayley on April 29, 2009, 11:23:12 PM
So I guess that Ellie leaves the island before Charles. Remember one of the reasons he was kicked off was because he had a child with a woman off the island.

I figured the child off-island they referred to was Penny. Penny and Dan are half-siblings. Not that I'm happy with it, btw. lol.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: hyperform on April 29, 2009, 11:26:06 PM
I called this a long time ago, ill find the thread, just you wait. ;D
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Roman122 on April 29, 2009, 11:29:01 PM
So I guess that Ellie leaves the island before Charles. Remember one of the reasons he was kicked off was because he had a child with a woman off the island.

Ben actually says "DAUGHTER with an outsider" I think Penny has a different mother
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: hyperform on April 29, 2009, 11:32:46 PM
are you sure, I think Ben said child
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: CastawayCayley on April 29, 2009, 11:37:08 PM
from Lostpedia:

WIDMORE: Are you quite certain you want to do this, Benjamin?

BEN: You left the Island regularly. You had a daughter with an outsider. You broke the rules, Charles.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: CastawayCayley on April 29, 2009, 11:37:56 PM
from Lostpedia:

WIDMORE: Are you quite certain you want to do this, Benjamin?

BEN: You left the Island regularly. You had a daughter with an outsider. You broke the rules, Charles.

for the record, I dont do this to prove anyone right or wrong, I just love to know for sure...
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: hyperform on April 29, 2009, 11:42:07 PM
it's all good Caley, my mistake
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 29, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
I just want to say that my hat is off to everyong who already knew this. I was sure that they would go there with it, but they did.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Folly529 on April 29, 2009, 11:58:30 PM
from Lostpedia:

WIDMORE: Are you quite certain you want to do this, Benjamin?
BEN: You left the Island regularly. You had a daughter with an outsider. You broke the rules, Charles.

for the record, I dont do this to prove anyone right or wrong, I just love to know for sure...

Yippee!  Cayley is taking someone to school in a thread I started!  I can end my day on a high note!
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: CastawayCayley on April 29, 2009, 11:59:49 PM
from Lostpedia:

WIDMORE: Are you quite certain you want to do this, Benjamin?
BEN: You left the Island regularly. You had a daughter with an outsider. You broke the rules, Charles.

for the record, I dont do this to prove anyone right or wrong, I just love to know for sure...

Yippee!  Cayley is taking someone to school in a thread I started!  I can end my day on a high note!

LOL. Now, the question is... do I quote this and put it in my siggy?? ;)
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: jugdish on April 30, 2009, 12:00:22 AM
It was highly suspected since Jughead. Nice to get the confirmaions.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: KoKoNut on April 30, 2009, 02:44:35 AM
Hee hee hee!!! I knew it!  I had a sneaky suspicion all along and for the second time (wow, that's all?) I was right!!!!
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: RM on April 30, 2009, 02:22:40 PM
Do we have a guess for how old young Daniel would be in 1977 when his mother shoots adult Daniel?

So maybe Eloise and young Dan get banished from the Island because she killed one of their own?  Charles and Eloise become instantly estranged because "you killed our son".  (This would match up with Ellie's being referenced in 1977 when James/Kate bring young Ben to be Otherized and why she's not around in 1988 when Ben kidnaps Alex.)  Charles finds another woman and fathers Penny in between '77 and his post-Purge expulsion.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Novashannon on April 30, 2009, 02:27:50 PM
I am glad one of my theories was right.  I do think that it was pretty obvious. 

I don't think Widdy would be banished for having a kid with another islander.  They definitely mean Penny. Now, I wonder who her mom is.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: bfth on April 30, 2009, 04:52:24 PM
Chuckie gets around doesn't he?  First he shacks up with Ellie and they have Daniel.  Then he has off island flings and has Penny.  Quite the stud! ;D
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: joshzam on May 01, 2009, 12:20:03 AM
Do we have a guess for how old young Daniel would be in 1977 when his mother shoots adult Daniel?

Do we even know for sure that Daniel is born yet? Is it possible that Ellie shoots older Daniel before having a child?
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: jamesl on May 01, 2009, 01:03:52 AM
Do we have a guess for how old young Daniel would be in 1977 when his mother shoots adult Daniel?

Do we even know for sure that Daniel is born yet? Is it possible that Ellie shoots older Daniel before having a child?

I asked this in the thread "was she pregnant when she shot him"
someone pointed out that grown up Daniel has got to be around the same age as grown up Charlotte,
and we know that right now, 1977, Charlotte is a child who is old enough to talk and to swing by herself, so Daniel must be the same
Title: Daniel and penny
Post by: Lost_viewer on May 01, 2009, 02:07:20 PM
So are Daniel and Penny, brother and sister?
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: rhythm on May 01, 2009, 02:10:32 PM
Yes.  Half-siblings.
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: Des on May 01, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
Same dad; different moms (presumably).
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: MangoBingo on May 01, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
Does anybody else think that Hawking has expressed the same maternal interest in Desmond as she has with Daniel?

What if:

Desmond = Hawking Mother + Unknown Father
Penny = Unknown Mother + Widmore Father
Daniel = Hawking Mother + Widmore Father

Desmond representing faith and belief; Daniel representing order and science. If one son "fails", use the other.
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: rhythm on May 01, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Same dad; different moms (presumably).
Well, wouldn't Penny have been all like  "Hey Mom, long time no see.  What are you doing here?"  When Eloise approached her in the hospital?
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: Dharma Bum on May 01, 2009, 05:07:45 PM
Do we know who Charlotte's dad was yet?

It seems that everyone is ending up being related to one another in some way!  :D
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Dharma Bum on May 01, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Does anybody else think that Hawking has expressed the same maternal interest in Desmond as she has with Daniel?

What if:

Desmond = Hawking Mother + Unknown Father
Penny = Unknown Mother + Widmore Father
Daniel = Hawking Mother + Widmore Father

Desmond representing faith and belief; Daniel representing order and science. If one son "fails", use the other.

It wouldn't surprise me if Desmond is somehow related in some way, or has some birth connection to the Island.
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: BobBX542 on May 01, 2009, 05:11:21 PM
Same dad; different moms (presumably).
Well, wouldn't Penny have been all like  "Hey Mom, long time no see.  What are you doing here?"  When Eloise approached her in the hospital?

No, she wouldn't have, because as in the post you just quoted, same dad, different moms.
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: rhythm on May 01, 2009, 05:47:50 PM
Same dad; different moms (presumably).
Well, wouldn't Penny have been all like  "Hey Mom, long time no see.  What are you doing here?"  When Eloise approached her in the hospital?

No, she wouldn't have, because as in the post you just quoted, same dad, different moms.

No what I mean is, Des said "presumably".  When I see the word "presumably" that means for me that there is a slight chance that Eloise is Penny's mom.  I was just saying that I don't think there should be any doubt that Eloise is not Penny's mom.
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: LostinLock on May 01, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
When Ben approached Charles on the dock before he went for his submarine ride, Ben said to Widmore that one of his "sins" was his having a child with an off islander and marriage if I am not wrong, but none the less he said child.

So again, yes, like Jack and and Claire same Dad different Moms.   Makes you kind of wonder here about the lineage and these two men.

But I won't go there here i will go there in the speculation part of the forum ;D
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: jamesl on May 01, 2009, 10:26:44 PM
Does anybody else think that Hawking has expressed the same maternal interest in Desmond as she has with Daniel?

What if:

Desmond = Hawking Mother + Unknown Father
Penny = Unknown Mother + Widmore Father
Daniel = Hawking Mother + Widmore Father

Desmond representing faith and belief; Daniel representing order and science. If one son "fails", use the other.

cool 
awesome, awesome post
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Madam P on May 01, 2009, 10:56:20 PM
Does anybody else think that Hawking has expressed the same maternal interest in Desmond as she has with Daniel?

What if:

Desmond = Hawking Mother + Unknown Father
Penny = Unknown Mother + Widmore Father
Daniel = Hawking Mother + Widmore Father

Desmond representing faith and belief; Daniel representing order and science. If one son "fails", use the other.

cool 
awesome, awesome post

Like the sign says, Mango Bingo's theories are the best!   ;)
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: LostinLock on May 02, 2009, 09:55:53 AM
Does anybody else think that Hawking has expressed the same maternal interest in Desmond as she has with Daniel?

What if:

Desmond = Hawking Mother + Unknown Father
Penny = Unknown Mother + Widmore Father
Daniel = Hawking Mother + Widmore Father

Desmond representing faith and belief; Daniel representing order and science. If one son "fails", use the other.

cool 
awesome, awesome post

Like the sign says, Mango Bingo's theories are the best!   ;)

Could the Monk be the Father of Desmond as we see a picture of Him and Ellie there, an instance not yet shared.  Because we know that Widmore gets his wine there, the "chance" meeting of Desmond and Penny and then Des runs into Ellie when he buys the ring.

hmmmm that could be the missing link or connection.  Desmond is not done there.

I hope that is not the case, but I will throw it to the wall it sticks great if not then oh well ;)
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: opgelost on May 02, 2009, 11:24:22 AM
But than Desmond grew up without his mother?
Desmond has 3 brothers.
He didn't knew mrs. Hawking when he met her in the ringstore.

I want to know more about Desmond's youth.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: MangoBingo on May 03, 2009, 12:20:17 AM
Does anybody else think that Hawking has expressed the same maternal interest in Desmond as she has with Daniel?

What if:

Desmond = Hawking Mother + Unknown Father
Penny = Unknown Mother + Widmore Father
Daniel = Hawking Mother + Widmore Father

Desmond representing faith and belief; Daniel representing order and science. If one son "fails", use the other.

cool 
awesome, awesome post

Thanks!

I first posted the "Desmond and Daniel are half-brothers theory" back in January:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8458.msg492699#msg492699

I'm thinking that Desmond is the son of Ms. Hawking and ...dunno. And Faraday is the son of Ms. Hawking and Charles. Penny could be the daughter of Charles and yet another female.

Nobody replied back in January.  :'(

Like the sign says, Mango Bingo's theories are the best!   ;)

...and Juliet always tells the complete truth!  :D
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Madam P on May 03, 2009, 05:59:39 AM
...and Juliet always tells the complete truth!  :D

Bwahahahaha!   ;D

How can you ever find posts that you made months ago?  I can't find posts I made yesterday... much less remember what I wrote in January!  Good for you! 
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: LostinLock on May 03, 2009, 09:38:33 AM
Madam P you can mark them -notify - on the top of the thread page/could also be botton but select notify,  you may have to set some stuff up in your profile but you can see the replies.  Especially if the topic is of importance/interest to you.

Mango so believes Juiliette - she is an odd duck why do you need to see them Daniel?
 ;D
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: MangoBingo on May 03, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
...and Juliet always tells the complete truth!  :D

Bwahahahaha!   ;D

How can you ever find posts that you made months ago?  I can't find posts I made yesterday... much less remember what I wrote in January!  Good for you! 

I'm probably mildly autistic. I dunno. lol
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: hyperform on May 03, 2009, 02:15:43 PM
...and Juliet always tells the complete truth!  :D

Bwahahahaha!   ;D

How can you ever find posts that you made months ago?  I can't find posts I made yesterday... much less remember what I wrote in January!  Good for you! 

I'm probably mildly autistic. I dunno. lol
MB is like me, he wants credit where credit is due, and that means me  ;D

prime example, I told you I'd find it

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8468.msg492095#msg492095
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: Madam P on May 03, 2009, 03:54:17 PM
Oh, you guys are just so smart!

Lil, thanks for the info.  I just tried it for the "Adam and Eve" thing so we'll see if it works, and in a year or so if I can come back and gloat it'll be all thanks to you!  :wink:
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: LostinLock on May 03, 2009, 04:34:30 PM
Madam P it is my pleasure that is what this is all about to help each other.  We are all in this together, meaning life.  I try to be kind to others, not always achieving my goal, but if it helps you have a better experience here by all means.

I know you would do the same!  I know a year from now will be a much different state of mind regarding the show. 

Have a fantastic day and a great week! 

Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: MangoBingo on May 03, 2009, 08:57:02 PM
MB is like me, he wants credit where credit is due, and that means me  ;D

prime example, I told you I'd find it

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8468.msg492095#msg492095


Aaaargh! You'd beaten me by like eight hours.  :-[
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: LostinLock on May 03, 2009, 11:01:14 PM
why don't you bump the old threads so we can read them.  It is much nicer to see the original ;D
Title: Re: Daniel and penny
Post by: Des on May 04, 2009, 01:10:19 PM
Same dad; different moms (presumably).
Well, wouldn't Penny have been all like  "Hey Mom, long time no see.  What are you doing here?"  When Eloise approached her in the hospital?

No, she wouldn't have, because as in the post you just quoted, same dad, different moms.

No what I mean is, Des said "presumably".  When I see the word "presumably" that means for me that there is a slight chance that Eloise is Penny's mom.  I was just saying that I don't think there should be any doubt that Eloise is not Penny's mom.

There is a SLIGHT chance that Eloise is Penny's mom. It is NOT likely, hence why I said that presumably they have different mothers. But until it is absolutely confirmed I will not post as though it is 100% truth. If the writers wanted Eloise to be Penny's mom they could easily do it. Do I think they will? No. Do I think they could? Yes.
Title: Re: He's my son, too.
Post by: LostinLock on May 06, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
Well, if she were Penny's Mom the chemistry would be different and it was clearly stated by Ben there was an off island relationship that produced a child.  Not all of what  Ben has said is false and Widmore didn't deny.

I think it is safe to say that Daniel and Penny have the same Dad.