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Title: Des and Penny Live
Post by: AloeSPF80 on April 08, 2009, 11:30:13 PM
I was truly hating Ben this season thinking that he murdered Des and Penny while at the marina.  I always thought he was beat up and bloodied from a confrontation with Des, but to see Des kick Ben off the dock made me so happy.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: jamesl on April 08, 2009, 11:34:55 PM
but that leads us to the question,
why is Des alive ?
Ben shot him in the chest, Des was hit, he went down
how is he able to get up and go fight Ben ?

are we supposed to believe Ben just shot Des in the arm or something ?

or is the island keeping Des alive the way it kept Micheal alive ?
Title: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Schmokey on April 08, 2009, 11:35:13 PM
As most of you, I had assumed that when Ben was covered in blood before the flight that he had murdered Penny.  Now it looks like the happy family unit remains intact. 
Or does it?   I need help remembering the timeline.  Wasn't it night when they all met at the church looking for Eloise?  So did the beating happen earlier the same day?  I know we saw Ben on the phone, beat & bloody - wasn't that right before the flight (and after he sent Jack to pick up Locke in the casket?)   I don't trust my memory; someone please help. 
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: taki1379 on April 08, 2009, 11:36:19 PM
locke called jack the next morning (after the night meeting) and said he had to tie up some loose ends.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 08, 2009, 11:36:54 PM
I didn't really get that he hit him in the chest. The grocery bag he was holding blew up yeah, but he was kind of holding it to the side. I never thought for a second Desmond was dead.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Lost In NH on April 08, 2009, 11:37:54 PM
Right before they left the church Ben told Jack he'd meet him at the airport, then the next morning, he called Jack and he was all beat up.  So he must have attempted to kill Penny the morning after being in the Lamp Post.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: jamesl on April 08, 2009, 11:39:46 PM
locke called jack the next morning (after the night meeting) and said he had to tie up some loose ends.

Ben called jack  ...
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Lost In NH on April 08, 2009, 11:40:14 PM
Des is really glad he bought that family size mayo to deflect the bullet!
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: losttill0208 on April 08, 2009, 11:40:21 PM
The night at the church, Ben told Jack he had to tie up some loose ends.. then the next day he called Jack all bloodied up asking him to pick Locke up..
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Schmokey on April 08, 2009, 11:41:04 PM
thanks, that makes sense.   It's coming back to me a little now.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: LockedInLost on April 09, 2009, 12:21:12 AM
I think most people knew Des was going to shake the vegetables off and go ape poop on Ben.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: lovinlost on April 09, 2009, 12:33:51 AM
Desmond either knew that Ben was going to come after Penny, or he was somehow saved by the island.  The rules don't apply to him, remember?

I just really wish they would give us some more clues as to just HOW the rules don't apply...like which rules, what the rules are, where they work, and who they apply to?  You know, just to start... :)
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: jamesl on April 09, 2009, 12:36:16 AM
...I just really wish they would give us some more clues as to just HOW the rules don't apply...like which rules, what the rules are, where they work, and who they apply to?  You know, just to start... :)

so ... you're saying the island is like a woman ?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2009, 12:47:37 AM
...I just really wish they would give us some more clues as to just HOW the rules don't apply...like which rules, what the rules are, where they work, and who they apply to?  You know, just to start... :)

so ... you're saying the island is like a woman ?

I'd hate to see smokey at that time of the month!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: jphimself on April 09, 2009, 12:54:37 AM
When Ben showed up at the Marina and called Widmore, I said to my wife that I hoped Des would be the one who beat the snot out of Ben.  But that was just the sentimental side of me.

I couldn't be happier about this development.  There's no way TPTB could have killed off Penny or Des without a massive revolt from fans.  This is much more satisfying.

One question remains.  Ben said someone else had injured his arm and it was apparently not Des, at least not based on what we've seen so far.  Was Ben in another fight before he got to the plane?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Maxor127 on April 09, 2009, 01:21:37 AM
I was disappointed that he didn't kill Penny, and it made his statement to Sun about telling Desmond he's sorry make even less sense.  Sorry for letting Desmond beat the **** out of him?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2009, 01:23:37 AM
I was disappointed that he didn't kill Penny, and it made his statement to Sun about telling Desmond he's sorry make even less sense.  Sorry for letting Desmond beat the **** out of him?

I think he was saying he was sorry for trying to kill Penny
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 02:35:43 AM
I was disappointed that he didn't kill Penny, and it made his statement to Sun about telling Desmond he's sorry make even less sense.  Sorry for letting Desmond beat the **** out of him?

I think he was saying he was sorry for trying to kill Penny
Yes, I agree. Ben was about to go into the temple and ask for forgiveness. He probably felt guilty about other stuff too, and this was something else that he could apologize for. You know, trying to be as guilt-free before confronting Smokey.

Um, I really wished that Ben's line was "Well, we don't really have a word for it, but you called it the Monster...but I guess sometimes we call him Smokey, too."
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BTBM on April 09, 2009, 02:41:36 AM
When Ben showed up at the Marina and called Widmore, I said to my wife that I hoped Des would be the one who beat the snot out of Ben.  But that was just the sentimental side of me.

I couldn't be happier about this development.  There's no way TPTB could have killed off Penny or Des without a massive revolt from fans.  This is much more satisfying.

One question remains.  Ben said someone else had injured his arm and it was apparently not Des, at least not based on what we've seen so far.  Was Ben in another fight before he got to the plane?

There is that chance, though, that Desmond could die from his wounds, hence Ben's "apology" to him.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Blitz Wing on April 09, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
Are we certain that there's not more to the flashback that we weren't shown yet? Ben gets out of the water and is still able to get Penny?

I always figured it'd be pretty funny if Penny was the one who beat the snot out of Ben. =)
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: jamesl on April 09, 2009, 02:53:19 AM
... and it made his statement to Sun about telling Desmond he's sorry make even less sense.  Sorry for letting Desmond beat the **** out of him?

he did SHOOT Desmond and try to kill Penny
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 09, 2009, 02:54:30 AM
When Ben showed up at the Marina and called Widmore, I said to my wife that I hoped Des would be the one who beat the snot out of Ben.  But that was just the sentimental side of me.

I couldn't be happier about this development.  There's no way TPTB could have killed off Penny or Des without a massive revolt from fans.  This is much more satisfying.

One question remains.  Ben said someone else had injured his arm and it was apparently not Des, at least not based on what we've seen so far.  Was Ben in another fight before he got to the plane?

There is that chance, though, that Desmond could die from his wounds, hence Ben's "apology" to him.

I'm pretty sure Desmond didn't look like he had been shot when he went after Ben.  I'm thinking the only thing Ben is guilty of when it comes to that is---intent to kill Penny...and murder of a grocery bag.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: jamesl on April 09, 2009, 02:57:39 AM
I'm pretty sure Desmond didn't look like he had been shot when he went after Ben.  I'm thinking the only thing Ben is guilty of when it comes to that is---intent to kill Penny...and murder of a grocery bag.

ok, we need a screenshot

I still say Ben shot Desmond, but the island healed him or whatever; it kept him alive the same it kept Michael alive because the island is not through with Des yet

and nobody else beat up Ben, it was Desmond who messed up Ben's arm
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 09, 2009, 03:27:48 AM
I'm pretty sure Desmond didn't look like he had been shot when he went after Ben.  I'm thinking the only thing Ben is guilty of when it comes to that is---intent to kill Penny...and murder of a grocery bag.

ok, we need a screenshot

I still say Ben shot Desmond, but the island healed him or whatever; it kept him alive the same it kept Michael alive because the island is not through with Des yet

and nobody else beat up Ben, it was Desmond who messed up Ben's arm

Hey James, there is a screen shot up on the main page. :) Ch-check it out and let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 03:34:03 AM
happy happy ! did I mention I'm happy?  ;) ;D
I wonder how Desmond will fit into the rest of the story now. what would his reason be for going back to the island if he even does. or what will his purpose be now. (well I have an idea obviously  ;) )
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 09, 2009, 03:37:57 AM
I wonder why Eloise told Desmond that pushing the button in the hatch would be the only great thing Desmond will ever do.

And why in the world was Ben so sorry? I thought he had killed little Charlie, and had unintentionally put Desmond through the same hell we can only assume he went through after Alex's skull was splattered by hot lead as he looked on. But in the end, all he did was shoot and miss Desmond.

He wouldn't apologize to Locke, and Locke he violently strangled. Damn you, Ben! You cryptic motherf--
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 03:40:14 AM
happy happy ! did I mention I'm happy?  ;) ;D
I wonder how Desmond will fit into the rest of the story now. what would his reason be for going back to the island if he even does. or what will his purpose be now. (well I have an idea obviously  ;) )
OMB, when he shot Des I seriously jumped up and shouted, "NO, MRS HUME!!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!" But then he tackled Ben and I was like, Whew! Okay, calm down heart, it's all good, it's all good.... lol

It's still possible that Ben killed Penny. Went back and finished the job somehow. I don't think this is the case, but I'm just saying....it's possible. So he could have been apologizing for killing her, or for attempting to kill her.  :-\ *shrugging*
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 03:50:00 AM
lol, awww! I didn't even react! do you believe it!?  I don't know if it was because I was in shock or denial. and before i could react He jumped Ben.
You might be right, he might have gone back later and finished the job. but from his reaction right before Des jumped him, he looked like he couldn't do it. (but, the tricky ptb might would have planed that to fool us) so I just hope he didn't because I think this episode has showed what I have felt for a while now. That Ben isn't as bad as Widmore. Remember i said he's our bad guy? widmore couldn't be better because we got more invested in Ben? But if he killed penny I will be disappointed.
and during the show I thought wow, the tea party is going to have to celebrate.  ;D because Ben was judged and didn't die (yet?)
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 03:55:41 AM
lol, awww! I didn't even react! do you believe it!?  I don't know if it was because I was in shock or denial. and before i could react He jumped Ben.
You might be right, he might have gone back later and finished the job. but from his reaction right before Des jumped him, he looked like he couldn't do it. (but, the tricky ptb might would have planed that to fool us) so I just hope he didn't because I think this episode has showed what I have felt for a while now. That Ben isn't as bad as Widmore. Remember i said he's our bad guy? widmore couldn't be better because we got more invested in Ben? But if he killed penny I will be disappointed.
and during the show I thought wow, the tea party is going to have to celebrate.  ;D because Ben was judged and didn't die (yet?)
Ben is our bad guy. Absolutely. If the island wanted him dead, it would have killed him. And not just given him a tumor that will slowly kill him...lol...that reminds me of Austin Powers, with the sharks with lasers, and closing the door without knowing if they'll really be killed, lol! Yeah, if he was supposed to die, Smokey would have gotten to him by now, I think. Or let something kill him.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 04:05:51 AM
let's just hope now that the island is finished judging him. and it's not waiting for him to finish helping the rest of the group before being done with him. I fear that.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 04:08:31 AM
I want Ben to have a happy ending!  :'(
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 04:11:36 AM
your so going to the in bed thread!  ;D
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 04:18:06 AM
*ahem* So! Penny and Des alive. That's good.... lalalala... ::)
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 04:19:25 AM
ha ha, nice try lol
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 04:21:14 AM
Well it's not my first time in bed.  ;) It's just never been with Ben before, LOL!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BadRobot64 on April 09, 2009, 06:10:56 AM
personally i hasd a strong feeling that des is the one who kicked bens ass... but once des was sot i jumped up and almost threw my tv out my window...
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Maxor127 on April 09, 2009, 06:18:58 AM
Desmond had a time travel vision and knew to wear a bullet proof vest... DUN DUN DUN.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 08:56:33 AM
Ben wasn't going to see Smokey to ask forgiveness for trying to kill Penny. He was going to be judged because he was resposible for Alex's death.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: bfth on April 09, 2009, 09:56:00 AM
So glad Ben DIDN"T kill Penny.  And even if Des hadn't come along I don't think he would have once he saw that Penny had a son.  He has too many mommy issues to kill a mother of a young child.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: HugeJohnLockeFan on April 09, 2009, 10:15:31 AM
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8684.0

Back when we saw a beat-up Ben, I had guessed Desmond. I knew it.  ;D
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: vickilynn on April 09, 2009, 10:17:00 AM
I was disappointed that he didn't kill Penny, and it made his statement to Sun about telling Desmond he's sorry make even less sense.  Sorry for letting Desmond beat the **** out of him?

I think he was saying he was sorry for trying to kill Penny
That was my gut reaction also.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Des on April 09, 2009, 10:21:33 AM
I've been a tad bit worried for the well-being of Penny, but as SOON as they showed the scene with Ben taking Alex from Danielle I KNEW that Penny was going to be alright.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: SQUIRT199 on April 09, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
but that leads us to the question,
why is Des alive ?
Ben shot him in the chest, Des was hit, he went down
how is he able to get up and go fight Ben ?

are we supposed to believe Ben just shot Des in the arm or something ?

or is the island keeping Des alive the way it kept Micheal alive ?

Probably something in that grocery bag that stopped the bullet,

Ummm a big fat novel,  A block of frozen peas?

Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 11:22:02 AM
but that leads us to the question,
why is Des alive ?
Ben shot him in the chest, Des was hit, he went down
how is he able to get up and go fight Ben ?

are we supposed to believe Ben just shot Des in the arm or something ?

or is the island keeping Des alive the way it kept Micheal alive ?

Probably something in that grocery bag that stopped the bullet,

Ummm a big fat novel,  A block of frozen peas?


A couple thick steaks?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Lostatwork on April 09, 2009, 11:28:18 AM
Silly question to you probably:  On the pier after his beating didn't Ben say on the phone he had to take care of part of a deal - or something to that effect.  That made us all think he did kill Penny?  If he didn't, then what else could he have been referring to?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Falam on April 09, 2009, 11:31:22 AM
Silly question to you probably:  On the pier after his beating didn't Ben say on the phone he had to take care of part of a deal - or something to that effect.  That made us all think he did kill Penny?  If he didn't, then what else could he have been referring to?

I believe he said that he got side-tracked and wouldn't be able to pick up Locke from the butcher's shop.  He told Jack that he had some unfinished business BEFORE the marina...
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 11:33:02 AM
Silly question to you probably:  On the pier after his beating didn't Ben say on the phone he had to take care of part of a deal - or something to that effect.  That made us all think he did kill Penny?  If he didn't, then what else could he have been referring to?
Not sure. But he was going to kill Penny, until he saw Charlie and changed his mind.

Silly question to you probably:  On the pier after his beating didn't Ben say on the phone he had to take care of part of a deal - or something to that effect.  That made us all think he did kill Penny?  If he didn't, then what else could he have been referring to?

I believe he said that he got side-tracked and wouldn't be able to pick up Locke from the butcher's shop.  He told Jack that he had some unfinished business BEFORE the marina...
The telephone call was definitely after the Des and Penny encounter. He was beat up, but he had to go get medical attention and his arm was in a sling. So thats probably why he didnt have time to go get Locke.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Falam on April 09, 2009, 11:36:53 AM
Silly question to you probably:  On the pier after his beating didn't Ben say on the phone he had to take care of part of a deal - or something to that effect.  That made us all think he did kill Penny?  If he didn't, then what else could he have been referring to?
Not sure. But he was going to kill Penny, until he saw Charlie and changed his mind.

Silly question to you probably:  On the pier after his beating didn't Ben say on the phone he had to take care of part of a deal - or something to that effect.  That made us all think he did kill Penny?  If he didn't, then what else could he have been referring to?

I believe he said that he got side-tracked and wouldn't be able to pick up Locke from the butcher's shop.  He told Jack that he had some unfinished business BEFORE the marina...
The telephone call was definitely after the Des and Penny encounter. He was beat up, but he had to go get medical attention and his arm was in a sling. So thats probably why he didnt have time to go get Locke.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: lostieloo on April 09, 2009, 11:38:14 AM
Desmond had a time travel vision and knew to wear a bullet proof vest... DUN DUN DUN.

You know, I was actually thinking that when I saw it!  It was also a nice play-in to the flashback of him saving alex and not killing Danielle...same ol' when he saw Charlie.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: BobBX542 on April 09, 2009, 11:55:34 AM
I am so let down by this. Probably the most disappointing moment of the show to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Penny, but I thought the whole point of Ben was to kill her. I guess by accepting the fact that he was actually responsible for Alex's and not killing Penny for the revenge he doesn't deserve then that's okay, because I'm all about character development, but still, we haven't had an unexpected death in a while, and I really wanted Penny to die.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Maxor127 on April 09, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
Well I definitely didn't expect Caesar to die.  But yeah, I was hoping Penny would die too.  And I thought she had to die to get Des involved again.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: SQUIRT199 on April 09, 2009, 01:05:56 PM
I am so let down by this. Probably the most disappointing moment of the show to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Penny, but I thought the whole point of Ben was to kill her. I guess by accepting the fact that he was actually responsible for Alex's and not killing Penny for the revenge he doesn't deserve then that's okay, because I'm all about character development, but still, we haven't had an unexpected death in a while, and I really wanted Penny to die.
happy happy ! did I mention I'm happy?  ;) ;D
I wonder how Desmond will fit into the rest of the story now. what would his reason be for going back to the island if he even does. or what will his purpose be now. (well I have an idea obviously  ;) )
OMB, when he shot Des I seriously jumped up and shouted, "NO, MRS HUME!!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!" But then he tackled Ben and I was like, Whew! Okay, calm down heart, it's all good, it's all good.... lol

It's still possible that Ben killed Penny. Went back and finished the job somehow. I don't think this is the case, but I'm just saying....it's possible. So he could have been apologizing for killing her, or for attempting to kill her.  :-\ *shrugging*

I was not disapointed,  I think that Ben's apolgy to Desmond (when he told Sun) was because he attempted to Kill penny,

When he realized Penny/Desmond had a child he could not allow a child to grow up without a mother,  (as his father said " a child needs thier mother") Maybe ben actually beleives that too.

They showed us that he is not ruthless, (unable to kill Danielles Baby) he took the child instead, and allowed her to live.
Title: Re: Lost's gift to Des-Penny fans ??
Post by: Des on April 09, 2009, 02:06:54 PM
and I really wanted Penny to die.

 :o heartless!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Des on April 09, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
By the way, can you imagine the amount of explaining Desmond is gonna have to do that night???

Penny: "Hey hunny, sooo... what was that all about?"
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 02:12:43 PM
By the way, can you imagine the amount of explaining Desmond is gonna have to do that night???

Penny: "Hey hunny, sooo... what was that all about?"
Why would Desmond have to explain anything? Ben was after Penny...I don't think Des knew about Ben's vendetta.... or am I reading this wrong?  :-\
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: agent on April 09, 2009, 02:14:59 PM

The telephone call was definitely after the Des and Penny encounter. He was beat up, but he had to go get medical attention and his arm was in a sling. So thats probably why he didnt have time to go get Locke.
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So if the call to Jack was just after the encounter - What happened to Des and family to allow Ben the convenience of calling from the marina? They either left fast, let Ben go on his way, or were incapacitated. I somehow think that Ben would`ve distanced himself from the marina as a priority.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 02:19:25 PM
I guess you do have a point there. I'd say them high tailing it outta there is a good possibility. The call had to have come after that run in though and also after Ben had gotten medical attention.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
I guess you do have a point there. I'd say them high tailing it outta there is a good possibility. The call had to have come after that run in though and also after Ben had gotten medical attention.
....why after Ben got medical attention? I'm sorry griz, I'm not following....he was still soaking wet when he called Jack....
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 02:29:16 PM
I guess you do have a point there. I'd say them high tailing it outta there is a good possibility. The call had to have come after that run in though and also after Ben had gotten medical attention.
....why after Ben got medical attention? I'm sorry griz, I'm not following....he was still soaking wet when he called Jack....
But his arm was in a sling. And he wasn't bleeding anymore; his cuts looked like they were trated.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
I guess you do have a point there. I'd say them high tailing it outta there is a good possibility. The call had to have come after that run in though and also after Ben had gotten medical attention.
....why after Ben got medical attention? I'm sorry griz, I'm not following....he was still soaking wet when he called Jack....
But his arm was in a sling. And he wasn't bleeding anymore; his cuts looked like they were trated.
Oh I....don't remember his arm being in a sling when he called Jack. I though he was just favoring that arm.   ??? Where'd my brain go? lol....    it's possible that the Humes split, and Ben rummaged around in another boat to find the sling. It's weird that he would get clocked, go get medical attention, then return to the marina to call Jack...he had that shaky timbre in his voice like he was still trying to deal with what just happened to him. Oh no, I don't remember!!  :-[
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 02:37:10 PM
I guess you do have a point there. I'd say them high tailing it outta there is a good possibility. The call had to have come after that run in though and also after Ben had gotten medical attention.
....why after Ben got medical attention? I'm sorry griz, I'm not following....he was still soaking wet when he called Jack....
But his arm was in a sling. And he wasn't bleeding anymore; his cuts looked like they were trated.
Oh I....don't remember his arm being in a sling when he called Jack. I though he was just favoring that arm.   ??? Where'd my brain go? lol....    it's possible that the Humes split, and Ben rummaged around in another boat to find the sling. It's weird that he would get clocked, go get medical attention, then return to the marina to call Jack...he had that shaky timbre in his voice like he was still trying to deal with what just happened to him. Oh no, I don't remember!!  :-[
Thats true. It does seem odd that he would come back to the marina. Maybe you're right, maybe he just fixied himself up after the beating. And... I'm pretty sure he had the sling. I dunno, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: agent on April 09, 2009, 03:00:28 PM
Ben wasn`t wearing a sling yet when he called from the marina
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 03:28:42 PM
Ben wasn`t wearing a sling yet when he called from the marina
Can we confirm that? Anyone got a clip?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
going out on a limb here, ... but maybe there was more between Des and Penny and Ben after Ben went into the water. I'm thinking that Desmond might have jumped in and got Ben. (looked like he might have been unconscious so he would have drowned otherwise) and there was a conversation. maybe even a plan against widmore?  :-\ something to spark Desmond into helping?  idk

Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 09, 2009, 03:34:28 PM
I like where you are going with this, Mrs. H.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 03:39:54 PM
thanks,
also, I just checked , ben wasn't wearing the sling when he called Jack.

Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
and as a matter of fact, something I didn't realize before, when Ben took sun to Mrs Hawking it was night time. then we see jack go to his grandfathers in the day and then we see at night Kate come to jack and say "never ask me about Aaron again" and then the next morning is when Ben calls jack from the marina still wet and bloody. so from the night they were in the church to the time Ben was at the marina at least two days had past.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: grizn0 on April 09, 2009, 04:00:09 PM
thanks,
also, I just checked , ben wasn't wearing the sling when he called Jack.


I really thought he was... I guess I should research next time.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Des on April 09, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
By the way, can you imagine the amount of explaining Desmond is gonna have to do that night???

Penny: "Hey hunny, sooo... what was that all about?"
Why would Desmond have to explain anything? Ben was after Penny...I don't think Des knew about Ben's vendetta.... or am I reading this wrong?  :-\

Because Penny would want to know why some creepy looking man shot her husband and almost shot her?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
By the way, can you imagine the amount of explaining Desmond is gonna have to do that night???

Penny: "Hey hunny, sooo... what was that all about?"
Why would Desmond have to explain anything? Ben was after Penny...I don't think Des knew about Ben's vendetta.... or am I reading this wrong?  :-\
Because Penny would want to know why some creepy looking man shot her husband and almost shot her?
But Ben introduces himself...."My name is Ben Linus, and your father is a bad man..." or something like that. He was clearly after her specifically, I mean. Desmond may have known the guy's face, but...I think Des and Penny are equally confused. They both have bits of information that the other doesn't know.  ??? and that I don't know, lol.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 05:05:06 PM
ahhh, don't worry. this is for fun not homework.
sometimes you have an idea and you want to get it out there before you forget. by the time you research something you could forget the whole theory.  :D almost all of us are guilty of it at one time or other. :)
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BobBX542 on April 09, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
and I really wanted Penny to die.

 :o heartless!

Yeah, it is a little cold, but they set us up for it. Plus, I have been wrong about almost everything that has been happening this season, so I'm looking for wins where ever I can.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BurkRoyer on April 09, 2009, 05:12:28 PM
I really wanted Penny to be the one who beat the crap out of Ben... maybe later after they pull him out of the water she'll pull his arm out of its socket!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Shakey on April 09, 2009, 05:17:05 PM
A little late to the thread, but, I'm pretty sure Desmond was shot in the arm/shoulder.  I only watched the show once but it seemed to me that Desmond was only punching Ben in the face with one fist.  I paid attention to this because I was certain he was shot and was looking for evidence of it during the Ben-pounding.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BurkRoyer on April 09, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
If you look at the investigation, it's clear that he was not shot in any vital area... It appears to be just under his armpit...

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2009/04/5x12-smokeys-toilet-and-other.php
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: CaseyMac on April 09, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
I let out an audible sigh of relief when Desmond dropped Ben and tossed him in the drink. From back in season 2, I wanted Desmond to have a happy ending with Penny. I, like many of you, thought Penny was going to get it this week, but glad she didn't.

Couple of points:
1) Desmond was shot in the grocery bag and it looked like a jug of milk or ranch dressing (hurley?) blew up, and that would have been enough to stop the bullet from actually hitting Des. You could shoot a handgun into a bucket of water and not hurt the bucket. The bullet never touched him.

2) The gun fell and sank in the water during the fight, so I doubt Ben came back to "finish the job"

3) The BIG question for me know is....what next? Mrs. Hawking said the island wasn't done with Des (which is why I thought Penny would be killed so Des would be on a revenge mission) So if it's not revenge, what brings Des back? Will it be something as simple as a storm like last time? What will his purpose be? Will Des even come back to the island now? Will we ever find out?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Shakey on April 09, 2009, 05:28:02 PM
3) The BIG question for me know is....what next? Mrs. Hawking said the island wasn't done with Des (which is why I thought Penny would be killed so Des would be on a revenge mission) So if it's not revenge, what brings Des back? Will it be something as simple as a storm like last time? What will his purpose be? Will Des even come back to the island now? Will we ever find out?
Ben showed up to kill Penny.  That's all Desmond knows.  Ben had JUST lowered the gun before Des tackled him so Des wouldn't necessarily know that Ben changed his mind.  Des could return to the island to seek out Ben in a belief that Penny would never be safe if Ben remained alive.  Put yourself in his shoes... would you trust that Ben won't make another attempt?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BobBX542 on April 09, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
A little late to the thread, but, I'm pretty sure Desmond was shot in the arm/shoulder.  I only watched the show once but it seemed to me that Desmond was only punching Ben in the face with one fist.  I paid attention to this because I was certain he was shot and was looking for evidence of it during the Ben-pounding.

I was going to say the exact same thing, but instead posted the nonsense about me wanting to be right about something. Deffinitely got it in the arm.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mom2Lindsey on April 09, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
Does anyone think something like cancer, or a bad brain injury could happen to Des's young Charlie? That could bring him back to the island. If somehow Penny contacts Widmore for some help for Charlie or if Des knows on his own that the island heals maybe they'll try to bring him back there. Des knows that Hawking knows how to get back there.

A theory?
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 06:01:01 PM
Does anyone think something like cancer, or a bad brain injury could happen to Des's young Charlie? That could bring him back to the island. If somehow Penny contacts Widmore for some help for Charlie or if Des knows on his own that the island heals maybe they'll try to bring him back there. Des knows that Hawking knows how to get back there.

A theory?

or maybe instead of widmore helping them, it's Ben who offers them island healing for Des' help. :-\ later on.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mom2Lindsey on April 09, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
Does anyone think something like cancer, or a bad brain injury could happen to Des's young Charlie? That could bring him back to the island. If somehow Penny contacts Widmore for some help for Charlie or if Des knows on his own that the island heals maybe they'll try to bring him back there. Des knows that Hawking knows how to get back there.

A theory?

or maybe instead of widmore helping them, it's Ben who offers them island healing for Des' help. :-\ later on.

Ahhhhh I am so excited to see what Des will be involved in next. His, Locke's & Ben's episodes are the best.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 06:15:08 PM
I agree!!!  I love Ben and Desmond the most. I started out for a long time not enjoying Locke as a charactor. (ok, I couldn't stand Locke) but now he is growing on me a little but his episodes are really good. and him and Ben together, makes a great episode. I love there dialogue but Dead is dead was the best for me so far! all three of them were in the same episode. and all three came out looking better than ever!

I keep waiting for his (Desmonds) story to come to light and see what his big part in all this will be. the longer he isn't involved the bigger I think his role will be.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mom2Lindsey on April 09, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
I really agree-with how they all came out looking better. Each of them had a bit of redemption going on. Locke did look really good last night. I happened to look up his resume on imdb last night and he was an admiral or general in 4 different shows I watched, NCIS, JAG, West Wing, Alias. He has a very powerful presence and that really came through last night. Desmond kicking Ben's arse, & Ben being human about Alex's death really brought their characters to a new place.

The fact that Ben admitted Locke walking around alive on the island scared him....gave me chills.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 09, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
Yes! seeing Ben vulnerable and admitting to it, made him so much more...., less evil. which I've been waiting for and knew in my heart of hearts.


(edited stupid spelling error.)
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: LostinLock on April 09, 2009, 08:01:02 PM
Mrs. Hume you do not like Locke.........(almost passing out)  Ha ha I know you didn't your Desmond is going to return and his vengance towards Ben will be the sweetest of rewards.

sorry i so want Ben to have a softer side but then he deserves to have his bottom booted.

Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 09, 2009, 08:10:55 PM
If anyone deserves a happy ending to his story is brother Desmond. To be perfectly honest, I like his episodes best. They all have a feeling of sadness and loss--love those episodes to death. I have to admit that in the finale of season 2, when I was naive and young and believed that people actually died for good in this show, I had a little tear in my eye as Desmond flipped the switch and sent the hatch to kingdom come.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 09, 2009, 08:13:26 PM
If anyone deserves a happy ending to his story is brother Desmond. To be perfectly honest, I like his episodes best. They all have a feeling of sadness and loss--love those episodes to death. I have to admit that in the finale of season 2, when I was naive and young and believed that people actually died for good in this show, I had a little tear in my eye as Desmond flipped the switch and sent the hatch to kingdom come.
Oh, G&R!!! You're making me teary-eyed too! I agree, Desmond's episodes are consistently AWESOME!! But I also feel that way about Ben's episodes, too, not for sadness and loss but for the incredible range we see in one character, in one episode. Hatch Monkey's right, you're pretty cool.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 09, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
Aw, this board makes me feel wanted. I haven't felt so welcomed in a message board since Halo one.  ;D
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 10, 2009, 02:10:27 AM
I loved it.  I have been waiting for the Des/Ben showdown all year!!!  (Since "The Shape of Things to Come," really!)  As excited as I was to see Des kick the snot out of Ben,though, I'm still too scared to believe that Des, Pen, & Charlie can now have their "happily ever after." :-[  This story was tied up too quickly & neatly. :-\

I'm sure the Island will make good on its intentions (whatever they may be) with Mr. Hume, however. 
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 10, 2009, 02:16:09 AM
If anyone deserves a happy ending to his story is brother Desmond. To be perfectly honest, I like his episodes best. They all have a feeling of sadness and loss--love those episodes to death. I have to admit that in the finale of season 2, when I was naive and young and believed that people actually died for good in this show, I had a little tear in my eye as Desmond flipped the switch and sent the hatch to kingdom come.
Oh, G&R!!! You're making me teary-eyed too! I agree, Desmond's episodes are consistently AWESOME!! But I also feel that way about Ben's episodes, too, not for sadness and loss but for the incredible range we see in one character, in one episode. Hatch Monkey's right, you're pretty cool.

:) He is, isn't he? 

I think Desmond and Ben are the two most interesting characters in the show....When it comes to Des, it can really tug at your heart strings.  I'm pretty sure I would have cried my eyes out if he had died.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: lostandfree on April 11, 2009, 01:38:14 PM
I was so unbelievably glad that Penny and Des were not killed.  They are my favorite couple on this show.  When I watched Ben shoot Des I didn't see any blood or even a bullet hole when he fell.  Did anyone else actually see a bullet wound because I didn't think he got hit when I watched it.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Maxor127 on April 11, 2009, 03:41:58 PM
I guess I'm the only cold-hearted bastard that wouldn't care and maybe even wants Desmond/Penny to end up tragically.  Maybe Penny is destined to die the same way Alex supposedly was.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 11, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
I guess I'm the only cold-hearted bastard that wouldn't care and maybe even wants Desmond/Penny to end up tragically.  Maybe Penny is destined to die the same way Alex supposedly was.

It would really make me mad if Desmond died---especially when "this island is not finished with him yet"...that would be a really poor choice for the writers, I think.  Penny, on the other hand, as much as I like her--I was hoping she would die.  It made sense, it would have been a "holy crap" moment...and I like those.  I half-way agree with you, Maxor.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: jphimself on April 11, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
I watched this show again yesterday and I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

When Ben sees Penny with her son he is brought up short.  Most assume, and I agree, that his own mother/child issues give him pause.

But then Penny yells at the boy by name, twice.  What is Ben likely to make of the information that Penny and Des have named their child Charlie?  His first instinct could very well be that they named him after his grandfather, not our late beloved rock 'n roller.

We haven't seen the end of the encounter at the marina, but we have seen Ben apparently abjectly sorry for something he did to Des, asking Sun to apologize for him.  You never know when Ben is being genuine, but suppose he is in this instance?  Would he be that sad about shooting Des and not killing him?  Or could it be that after pulling himself out of the water he took further action against Penny, or, God forbid, Charlie.  There's no way he could hurt Widmore more deeply.

I truly hope I am wrong, but I will be watching future episodes with a good deal of worry for Des' family.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: lostandfree on April 11, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
I don't think Widmore would be as wounded if Ben killed Charlie, not more than killing Penny.  Does Widmore even know about Charlie.  Even if he knows of young Charlies existence, I bet he's never actually met him.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on April 11, 2009, 06:44:40 PM
Or could it be that after pulling himself out of the water he took further action against Penny, or, God forbid, Charlie. 

That is what I fear as well. It just seemed odd that he would tell Sun and Locke to apologize to Desmond if they ever saw him again. It has an even more ominous tone since he was heading to be judged for letting his daughter die. If you are Ben Linus why would you apologize to someone who means so little to you and is so far away? Unless you put that person through the only kind of pain that hurts you.

But, then again, when he apologized to John for making his life a living hell, it did seem very sincere. And then he strangled him to death some time after.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: laklost on April 11, 2009, 09:14:58 PM
Late in the thread but right along with all of you.  I was just certain both Penny and Charlie were goners.  I'm very interested to see how far this redemption of Ben Linus goes.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Maxor127 on April 11, 2009, 11:45:57 PM
I guess I'm the only cold-hearted bastard that wouldn't care and maybe even wants Desmond/Penny to end up tragically.  Maybe Penny is destined to die the same way Alex supposedly was.

It would really make me mad if Desmond died---especially when "this island is not finished with him yet"...that would be a really poor choice for the writers, I think.  Penny, on the other hand, as much as I like her--I was hoping she would die.  It made sense, it would have been a "holy crap" moment...and I like those.  I half-way agree with you, Maxor.
Yeah, I thought Penny had to die to get Desmond involved in the story again.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 12, 2009, 06:40:48 PM
I guess I'm the only cold-hearted bastard that wouldn't care and maybe even wants Desmond/Penny to end up tragically.  Maybe Penny is destined to die the same way Alex supposedly was.

It would really make me mad if Desmond died---especially when "this island is not finished with him yet"...that would be a really poor choice for the writers, I think.  Penny, on the other hand, as much as I like her--I was hoping she would die.  It made sense, it would have been a "holy crap" moment...and I like those.  I half-way agree with you, Maxor.
Yeah, I thought Penny had to die to get Desmond involved in the story again.

That would be the logical way to go, I would think....maybe Ben shooting at him will be enough to bring Desmond back...thinking he was trying to hurt him and his family.  That could be it.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 12, 2009, 08:19:05 PM
maybe widmore and Desmond will team up now. and that is how/why he goes back.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 12, 2009, 09:08:39 PM
maybe widmore and Desmond will team up now. and that is how/why he goes back.

That would be something.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: nofate on April 12, 2009, 09:26:40 PM
Perhaps Des was saved by his trusty bottle of MacCutcheon stashed in his grocery bag.  I don't think I can handle it if Pen & Des don't get their happily ever after...

Also, regarding Ben being "scared" about Locke's seeming resurrection,  I don't think Ben is afraid of anything except losing the island or control. He can't stand the new super confident  ( and fine looking, I might add)  Locke.   I don't think Ben  really planned on being  judged, I think he tries to manipulate the island just like he manipulates everyone and everything.  Maybe he was hoping that smokey would kill him, and the island would resurrect him, then he'd be on par with Locke.

Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BadRobot64 on April 13, 2009, 04:54:20 AM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: opgelost on April 13, 2009, 08:22:25 AM
I think Locke is on the dark side now, because Smokey trapped Jacob and Christian is not speaking for Jacob,
but for Smokey and the monster scared Ben to death and now he will follow Locke.
That's why Widmore needed Locke on the island to win the war.
But I have too much fantasy and like you I don't like they lived happily ever after. 
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 13, 2009, 04:40:04 PM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


BR-
1. Breathe.  ;)

I love how passionate you get...that's how I feel a lot of the time about some posts I read on here.  I think a lot of people have just grown attached to Penny and Des.  I think it would be a great part of the plot line for Penny to die.  I said before that killing off Des would piss off a lot of people (including myself), not just because he is likable, but because he has been made out to be one of the most important people on the show.  Killing him would just leave a bunch of loose ends.

I don't feel like LOST is or will even jump the shark.  We have to remember that even though there can be excellent writing, and good intentions...sometimes real life stuff happens that can mess things up.  I wouldn't peg every 'mess up' as a problem with the show.  We don't know what really happened when it came to Charlotte's character...maybe she really did have a diva moment about her age.  We just don't know.  I also think it is unrealistic to expect everything to go off without a hitch--tptb, brilliant as they are, are still human..and we can't condemn them for an flub up here and there.

Keep an open mind, k?  You are one of my favorite posters on here, and I don't want you losing faith in LOST.   :-*
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BadRobot64 on April 13, 2009, 04:58:17 PM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


BR-
1. Breathe.  ;)

I love how passionate you get...that's how I feel a lot of the time about some posts I read on here.  I think a lot of people have just grown attached to Penny and Des.  I think it would be a great part of the plot line for Penny to die.  I said before that killing off Des would piss off a lot of people (including myself), not just because he is likable, but because he has been made out to be one of the most important people on the show.  Killing him would just leave a bunch of loose ends.

I don't feel like LOST is or will even jump the shark.  We have to remember that even though there can be excellent writing, and good intentions...sometimes real life stuff happens that can mess things up.  I wouldn't peg every 'mess up' as a problem with the show.  We don't know what really happened when it came to Charlotte's character...maybe she really did have a diva moment about her age.  We just don't know.  I also think it is unrealistic to expect everything to go off without a hitch--tptb, brilliant as they are, are still human..and we can't condemn them for an flub up here and there.

Keep an open mind, k?  You are one of my favorite posters on here, and I don't want you losing faith in LOST.   :-*

oh hatch monkey we're all friends here... youre right i do get passionate about this show... and dont get me wrong Des is one of my top 3 fav characters... i too would be upset if he was killed, but i was surprised when he was shot... but i was upset that penny wasnt killed. the shws been dark this season but not as dark as its ben. ( he he get it ben.. ok i knw it was a bad joke) ... speaking of bad jokes... who else thinks that when ben shot Caesar that caesar shoudl ahve said .... et tu Ben....
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 13, 2009, 04:59:39 PM
Cesar had a good line! He says, "I'm calling the shots." Then he gets shot. lol
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 13, 2009, 05:11:30 PM
Cesar had a good line! He says, "I'm calling the shots." Then he gets shot. lol

I love that you noticed that!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 13, 2009, 05:15:02 PM
Cesar had a good line! He says, "I'm calling the shots." Then he gets shot. lol

I love that you noticed that!
Multiple viewings are quite helpful. I didn't notice it the first time around.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 13, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
Cesar had a good line! He says, "I'm calling the shots." Then he gets shot. lol

I love that you noticed that!
Multiple viewings are quite helpful. I didn't notice it the first time around.


Well you still get a cookie!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 13, 2009, 05:18:16 PM
Cesar had a good line! He says, "I'm calling the shots." Then he gets shot. lol
I love that you noticed that!
Multiple viewings are quite helpful. I didn't notice it the first time around.
Well you still get a cookie!
Woo hoo! I love cookies.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 13, 2009, 05:19:08 PM
Cesar had a good line! He says, "I'm calling the shots." Then he gets shot. lol
I love that you noticed that!
Multiple viewings are quite helpful. I didn't notice it the first time around.
Well you still get a cookie!
Woo hoo! I love cookies.
That I remember you telling me.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 13, 2009, 05:21:01 PM
Woo hoo! I love cookies.
That I remember you telling me.
I tell everybody.  :P Plus I've got my own thread about them. You love cookies too.


sorry for the hijacking of the thread!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BobBX542 on April 14, 2009, 10:50:56 AM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


Do us all a favor if you decide to jump ship. Please don't come back just to tell us how ridiculous it has gotten every week. LOL
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 14, 2009, 06:22:30 PM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


Do us all a favor if you decide to jump ship. Please don't come back just to tell us how ridiculous it has gotten every week. LOL

Yeah, that's my job!  ;D
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BobBX542 on April 15, 2009, 11:28:48 AM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


Do us all a favor if you decide to jump ship. Please don't come back just to tell us how ridiculous it has gotten every week. LOL

Yeah, that's my job!  ;D

Someone else did that on here, and I lost my $#!* on them.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 15, 2009, 03:20:13 PM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


Do us all a favor if you decide to jump ship. Please don't come back just to tell us how ridiculous it has gotten every week. LOL

Yeah, that's my job!  ;D

Someone else did that on here, and I lost my $#!* on them.

BR knows he isn't going anywhere...he just had to let it out.  He'll be fine.  ;)
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 15, 2009, 03:49:10 PM
I don't call that being fine.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 15, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
I don't call that being fine.

Well, fine for BR
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 15, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
I don't call that being fine.

Well, fine for BR
lol.... it's funny cause it's true!!
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: WhatThe on April 15, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
i cant believe that all the people that love LOST all want the hallmark cookie cutter happy ending  as much as groundbreaking and unpredictable the show has been thus far... oohhh we are happy with Ben's redemtion,..... ooohhh we're happy that des and penny are alive....ooohhh golly gee im smitten with the theory that des might TEAM UP with Charles... wouldnt that be CUTE? BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im upset that ben didnt slaughter penny and little charlie... im upset that des prolly wont murder charles and jsut be donw with it... and i am soooooooooooooo disappointed in the fact that Ben has grown a freaking Grinch heart... i keep telling myself this season is needed to fill in blanks that have been left, but time and time again THIS SEASON ALONE we have seen inconsistancies with ages and years and times... and now once Richard says so strongly that "once we do this he will ose all innocence and will forever be one of us" ... we now see Ben being innocent and careing for a child enough not kill his mother in front of him BEFORE Smokey judged him..... ??? c'mon i feel like we're being jerked around... unless there is a REALLY GOOD explaination for all of this mess by the end of the season... i might lose hope and officiallly personally call this show... shark jumped.... and for the record ive claimed this show WOULD NEVER JUMP THE SHARK... im disappointed, but willing to wait it out... i want darkness and the evil to overcome.. there has been so many happy endings its making me sick...


We've seen pretty much everyone who has been truly effected by the island start to evolve into a better version of themselves...I'm not sure why Ben would be any different. Keeping Ben as a homicidal manipulator purely for the sake of entertainment might not align too well with where the overall story was always meant to be headed...as well as I think it's far more intriguing and realistic for Ben to have his own inner demons and issues centering around young mothers dying while their children are still very young. That's THE one area Ben draws a line at...and having Ben even HAVE a line TO draw to begin with makes him more interesting in my eyes. Much better than him being a killing machine devoid of emotions or inner conflict and driven solely by revenge.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: BobBX542 on April 16, 2009, 11:39:18 AM
We've seen pretty much everyone who has been truly effected by the island start to evolve into a better version of themselves...I'm not sure why Ben would be any different. Keeping Ben as a homicidal manipulator purely for the sake of entertainment might not align too well with where the overall story was always meant to be headed...as well as I think it's far more intriguing and realistic for Ben to have his own inner demons and issues centering around young mothers dying while their children are still very young. That's THE one area Ben draws a line at...and having Ben even HAVE a line TO draw to begin with makes him more interesting in my eyes. Much better than him being a killing machine devoid of emotions or inner conflict and driven solely by revenge.

What he said.
Title: Re: Des and Penny Live
Post by: Shakey on April 16, 2009, 01:00:43 PM
We've seen pretty much everyone who has been truly effected by the island start to evolve into a better version of themselves...I'm not sure why Ben would be any different. Keeping Ben as a homicidal manipulator purely for the sake of entertainment might not align too well with where the overall story was always meant to be headed...as well as I think it's far more intriguing and realistic for Ben to have his own inner demons and issues centering around young mothers dying while their children are still very young. That's THE one area Ben draws a line at...and having Ben even HAVE a line TO draw to begin with makes him more interesting in my eyes. Much better than him being a killing machine devoid of emotions or inner conflict and driven solely by revenge.

What he said.
Ditto.