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Title: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 02:17:41 AM
OK, So Ben says to Sayid, Ya, I really hated him". Meaning his father.
Was that because he (tried to or did) kill his father with the burning van. Either Ben's father was in the Van or it was Ben's house that the van went into due to Ben.

 OR...Ben said that because he was leaving the DI and thought he wouldn't see him anymore?

Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 02:23:14 AM
Yeah, that was such a weird thing to say, right? I picked up on it too.

Maybe it's because Sayid said he would take Ben to his people, so Ben thought it was really his time to leave the DI and never see his father again. He was so eager to be rid of his dad that he's using past tense before he's even out of the building, lol!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 02:36:17 AM
Yeah that was my second choice (and the least interesting lol.)  But I just wanted to see if maybe it struck anyone else's interest too.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 02:41:12 AM
Aw, I think it's the saddest possibility! If he killed his dad...CREEPY!!!! If he's so anxious to get away from an abusive father that he begins speaking of him in the past tense before he even leaves? Oh! My heart breaks!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 02:43:25 AM
Did you see those tears? oooh my goooodness :( . (boy does he really look like a young Ben or what!?)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 26, 2009, 02:43:40 AM
the universe is course correcting itself with alternate way to get to the same ending... jsut stoping or changing the ending is what everyone is trying to do...
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 02:47:31 AM
the universe is course correcting itself with alternate way to get to the same ending... jsut stoping or changing the ending is what everyone is trying to do...

um...huh? So... do you think that Ben killed his Dad just now? Because if Ben just killed his Dad, and Ben himself survives the gunshot...how is he going to prove to Richard that he's one of the Others??  :-\
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 02:51:07 AM
i don't know what badrobot was trying to say. ???
 but if Ben killed his own father, don't you think Richard would be like 'YA!" . Come on over to our side?  I mean he did it later on anyway when the others purged the DI.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: ericd543 on March 26, 2009, 03:58:00 AM
the universe is course correcting itself with alternate way to get to the same ending... jsut stoping or changing the ending is what everyone is trying to do...

Fate is a fickle bitch.

(http://th01.deviantart.com/fs25/300W/f/2008/156/9/d/beeen_by_Mcgruder.jpg)
Now just look at all the work I got to do!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 04:02:33 AM
Aw, that is such a sad picture! The look on his face! I can't look at it anymore....  :'(

I think Richard would accept him, but he also told Ben to be very patient. The Others seem to be very careful when it comes to children. I don't think he would want a 15-year-old Ben to kill his father.  :-\
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 04:04:40 AM
well, I forget who at this late hour (yeah that's the reason) debunked my theory about Ben killing his father. she said that no one was in the van and some women were in the house cause Kate was helping them out the window. so that's that. I guess. :(
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 04:07:24 AM
Well, he may not have killed him in a fiery Dharma-van crash; maybe we just didn't see it yet.

Look! It's so late I'm finding loopholes in my own theories. Deliberately to help people who don't agree with my theories. lol!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 04:09:59 AM
 awww thanks Mrs Alpert. I'll make believe it's not because it's late and it's just because you like me so! he he ;)
 You always make me laugh!  :D  :-*
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 04:15:14 AM
Thank goodness, because otherwise we'd be a bunch of wound-up geeks, and there's nothing much worse than that. Believe me, I've been to Comic-Con, I can attest to the craziness of geeks without humor arguing about the most mundane things. Like a specific line in one of the Star Wars movies, or a prop in one scene from Firefly....  ::)

I do like you so! Our minds are kind of doing the same drunk-with-sleepiness-oh-and-also-LOST-WTF? thing.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 04:21:46 AM
Thank goodness, because otherwise we'd be a bunch of wound-up geeks, and there's nothing much worse than that. Believe me, I've been to Comic-Con, I can attest to the craziness of geeks without humor arguing about the most mundane things. Like a specific line in one of the Star Wars movies, or a prop in one scene from Firefly....  ::)

I do like you so! Our minds are kind of doing the same drunk-with-sleepiness-oh-and-also-LOST-WTF? thing.
good idea. i mean.. yup, that's what I'm doing. he he
I guess I shouldn't post until I am more awake (3:20am here) and have seen the episode at least one more time. on that note, I guess I should really pry myself away from the computer now.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 26, 2009, 08:26:31 AM
I'm wondering if the reason why Ben looked exactly the same when he killed his father with the gas as he does when we meet him is because it wasn't actually the little Ben version that killed him and it was actually our version of Ben who had travelled back in time. By saying that I guess I'm saying I think young Ben is indeed dead. Does that make sense?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: agent on March 26, 2009, 03:40:26 PM
Yeah, that was such a weird thing to say, right? I picked up on it too.

Maybe it's because Sayid said he would take Ben to his people, so Ben thought it was really his time to leave the DI and never see his father again. He was so eager to be rid of his dad that he's using past tense before he's even out of the building, lol!

I'm pretty sure that Ben said "I hate it here" not "I hated him"
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 26, 2009, 03:46:18 PM
Yeah I think he said "I hate it here" too.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 04:26:55 PM
Yes, on the second viewing and after eight people tell me, I do understand. I can't help that little Ben mumbles! lol... god that scene just broke my heart.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: toadsage on March 26, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Did you see those tears? oooh my goooodness :( . (boy does he really look like a young Ben or what!?)
its creepy how similar they look. right down to the weird eyes. ( shudder )
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 05:23:45 PM
 ooooooh
Yeah, that was such a weird thing to say, right? I picked up on it too.

Maybe it's because Sayid said he would take Ben to his people, so Ben thought it was really his time to leave the DI and never see his father again. He was so eager to be rid of his dad that he's using past tense before he's even out of the building, lol!

I'm pretty sure that Ben said "I hate it here" not "I hated him"

oh does he say that? well that changes everything.

I'm wondering if the reason why Ben looked exactly the same when he killed his father with the gas as he does when we meet him is because it wasn't actually the little Ben version that killed him and it was actually our version of Ben who had travelled back in time. By saying that I guess I'm saying I think young Ben is indeed dead. Does that make sense?

Yeah , that totally makes sense!!!!  but i have to think about that for a little bit see if there are any reasons why it would not be.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Still_lost06 on March 26, 2009, 05:35:23 PM
I think he said "I really hate it here". Not "him". sorry if someone already said this!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 06:36:23 PM
only 4 times on this very page.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 06:52:26 PM
lol.....Mrs H, you know, he really said "I hate it here," so he wasn't referencing hating his dad or anything... ::) I love my fellow Sledgelings!  :-*
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Still_lost06 on March 26, 2009, 11:50:26 PM
he obviously hates his dad though. who wouldn't?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 12:12:53 AM
I hate his dad too. I wanted Sayid to shoot Roger, if anybody.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 12:42:40 AM
So,.... Did Ben say he hates it here or what? ::) lol
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 12:44:44 AM
ROFL! omg, Mrs H, my computer just almost got a mouthful of mashed potatoes spit on it! LOL! ah, we're such good sports!  :D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 12:46:26 AM
I'm trying. :-X  ;D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 12:49:57 AM
Well, it's working, girl! Keep it up!  ;D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 12:51:34 AM
welllll, I don't know, I want you to keep your mashed potatoes down so maybe I'll stop for now.  ;D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 12:56:19 AM
Aw, that's so considerate of you! Just a few more minutes I promise... or maybe I shouldn't be eating in front of the computer? I heard there was this thing called a...oh what was it?....oh yes, a table. I think I had one but there's stuff on it. Like my computer.  :-\
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:08:46 AM
Well, it is official. No one was in the van and Ben said " I hate it here ".
Used closed caption and slow mo.
So I guess we can Delete this thread once and for all!  :-[

It's more fun to eat in front of the computer , I do it too and I don't have an excuse cause there is nothing on my dinning room table. he he :D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 01:11:16 AM
Oh let's not delete this thread! We have to remember the good times. Especially because it looks like nothing but gray skies ahead for the losties. :(
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:15:31 AM
but somebody might see it :-[   :'(

I blame this thread on my being reeeallly tired last night!... ya that's it!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 01:18:08 AM
I know! Let's keep the thread up and see how many more people will come in here and not read it and be all, "Duhhhhh, hey you guys, uh, Ben said I hate it here, not I hated him....and there wasn't anyone in the van so, wtf are you confused about??" lololol  we'll collect them! All those comments. And you and I must post it in here at least once a day.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:21:52 AM
ROFLMAAAAAAAAAAAAO! Good thing I wasn't eating. Holy @#@$#%$ that !#@#$ was funny.
If juggy doesn't delete it then you are on girl! The best idea ever!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 01:24:35 AM
Yeah! Yeah! It's almost April Fool's, but everyone will be expecting it on April Fool's Day, so we have to be sneaky about it and do it beforehand. Fo sho!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:25:52 AM
nuf said yo!  ;)

Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 27, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
Hey guys... Ben actually said "I hate... alright I'm sorry haha. I can't do it. I've read the thread. Now I get the comment in the other thread about Mrs. A finishing her dinner.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 11:44:31 AM
Oh grizn0! You can come in here anytime you want and say what Ben actually said. I have to be responsible for not eating at the computer when I'm on SWLS, that's all.  ::)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 27, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
Haha sweet. I just wanted to be part of the funny-ness is all  :P
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 11:47:57 AM
Bring on the funny!!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 02:45:26 PM
Griz, I love it!  :D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 04:09:04 PM
So do you think Ben killed his dad already? I mean, we are working with an alternate timeline here... ::) It's totally possible. Why else would he say that?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 27, 2009, 04:21:55 PM
So do you think Ben killed his dad already? I mean, we are working with an alternate timeline here... ::) It's totally possible. Why else would he say that?
Yeah... and he had on acid wash blue jeans, plaid button up shirt, jean jacket, and puffy orange vest while he did it. Oh, and he was skateboarding to school at the same time.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Yeah, I thought that was strange too.  :-\ Like, why not wait till he's passed out then put him in a fiery Dharma van or something?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: tonysee200x on March 27, 2009, 04:29:59 PM
I thought he said "I hated him here"



(I know not part of this, but couldn't resist)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 27, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
Hahah that was pretty good though. Made me laugh.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
Well done, tonysee!!! Come back anytime you'd like.  ;)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on March 27, 2009, 05:29:26 PM
So do you think Ben killed his dad already? I mean, we are working with an alternate timeline here... ::) It's totally possible. Why else would he say that?

How can you be sure we are in working in an alernate timeline?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 05:32:58 PM
So do you think Ben killed his dad already? I mean, we are working with an alternate timeline here... ::) It's totally possible. Why else would he say that?

How can you be sure we are in working in an alernate timeline?

Oh please tell me you've read through this whole thread, lol!!

if so....because Ben killed his dad this time, right? But we already have the main timeline when he gassed him, so this must be an alternate timeline.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on March 27, 2009, 05:49:08 PM
I did read the whole tread, but felt the need to comment anyway (it is funny!)

We don't know that Ben killed his dad though in this time (1977) though.  Do we?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 05:52:48 PM
No, that's the point, lol! Making somewhat ridiculous comments because we believed Ben said "I hated him," and coming up with new crazy ideas about it. So....I made up the thing about the alternate timeline.  :P
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on March 27, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
yup....just went back and read the entire thread.  I guess I didn't read everything before.  You will have to excuse me.  I only go these forums when I am at work, and I tend to scim through them rather quickly....I feel stupid now....
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 06:11:17 PM
ONE!  ;D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
I thought he said "I hated him here"



(I know not part of this, but couldn't resist)

of course you are part of it! as long as you want to be you can be! It's a nice way to have fun. as long as it lasts.

yup....just went back and read the entire thread.  I guess I didn't read everything before.  You will have to excuse me.  I only go these forums when I am at work, and I tend to scim through them rather quickly....I feel stupid now....

Don't ,it's all in good fun. Happy Early April fools. Besides, if it makes you feel any better, think how I feel making this thread in the first place  ::)! ha ha ( I don't have to tell you originally I was serious about Ben and his Dad.  :-\)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on March 27, 2009, 06:32:44 PM
I thought he said "I hated him here"



(I know not part of this, but couldn't resist)

of course you are part of it! as long as you want to be you can be! It's a nice way to have fun. as long as it lasts.

yup....just went back and read the entire thread.  I guess I didn't read everything before.  You will have to excuse me.  I only go these forums when I am at work, and I tend to scim through them rather quickly....I feel stupid now....

Don't ,it's all in good fun. Happy Early April fools. Besides, if it makes you feel any better, think how I feel making this thread in the first place  ::)! ha ha ( I don't have to tell you originally I was serious about Ben and his Dad.  :-\)

No, I didn't mean to sound too serious.  If there is anyone that can laugh at themself its me.  I can't help but smile right now.  My wife would get a kick out of this thread.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 06:36:20 PM
Yeah...we kind of set it up as a trap.  ::) Thanks for playing! Invite your friends! lololol
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 06:40:09 PM
OK, So Ben says to Sayid, Ya, I really hated him". Meaning his father.
Was that because he (tried to or did) kill his father with the burning van. Either Ben's father was in the Van or it was Ben's house that the van went into due to Ben.

 OR...Ben said that because he was leaving the DI and thought he wouldn't see him anymore?


Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Novashannon on March 28, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
Rats~  Missed the party!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 28, 2009, 07:02:32 PM
Of course you haven't!

So, Novashannon, what do you think it means that Ben would come out and say I hated him? We know as an adult he's very careful with what he says. He speaks very...deliberately. Do you think he was also this deliberate as a boy? Or is he just mumbling everywhere because he's crying? (Awwww! Poor little Ben!!)

I hated Roger too.  >:(
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Novashannon on March 28, 2009, 10:52:20 PM
I hate it here? (I read the whole thread).
I thinkBen learned at an early age to guard his words to try and avoid setting off his father.  Abused kids often do.  I do feel sorry for Ben, but that does not excuse what he does.  As I keep saying, many people are abused and use the experience to become better people.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 28, 2009, 10:57:14 PM
I really thought Sayid connected with little Ben when he saw that Roger beats him....I thought Sayid was going to kill Roger, you know, give Ben a hug or something and say, "Grow up right! Don't manipulate! Be kind!" Then...idk, run to hide in the jungle or something. I would have rather he tried to kill Roger than Ben. Little Ben doesn't know anything better, and now he's been shot by one person he trusted.  :( I was crying whenever little Ben was on screen...gosh that kid knows how to pull heartstrings!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Novashannon on March 28, 2009, 11:14:17 PM
I thought Sayid felt sorry for kid Ben, too, which is why I think he did not kill him. But we have already seen that Sayid will kill to protect his friends, and I think he felt he could change things by shooting Lil Ben.  I do not think Sayid knows about the island not letting people dieand/or reanimating them.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 29, 2009, 03:16:13 AM
Well for one, We definitely owe Novashannon a god star for not being one of them  ;)(and I am not being sarcastic)
Also, I agree , I too thought that Sayid was feeling sorry for Little Ben. I know he was sad about what he thought he was supposed to do though. You can see it in his eyes. But If he would have killed Ben's father, as much as Ben didn't like him, Ben might have become bitter about it and still become the Ben we know now . It is one thing to not like your father and kill him yourself but it's another to have someone else do it without asking. (did I just write that??) you know what I mean. It's just like when you are mad at someone you love you can say whatever about them, but if someone else says bad stuff about them you get all defensive. So sayind might have made the right decision believe it or not. Wow I can't believe I said that too! (even thought I don't think he is dead. He is alive in 2007)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Novashannon on March 29, 2009, 03:35:54 PM
Well for one, We definitely owe Novashannon a god star for not being one of them  ;)(and I am not being sarcastic)
Also, I agree , I too thought that Sayid was feeling sorry for Little Ben. I know he was sad about what he thought he was supposed to do though. You can see it in his eyes. But If he would have killed Ben's father, as much as Ben didn't like him, Ben might have become bitter about it and still become the Ben we know now . It is one thing to not like your father and kill him yourself but it's another to have someone else do it without asking. (did I just write that??) you know what I mean. It's just like when you are mad at someone you love you can say whatever about them, but if someone else says bad stuff about them you get all defensive. So sayind might have made the right decision believe it or not. Wow I can't believe I said that too! (even thought I don't think he is dead. He is alive in 2007)
LOl - one of whom?

I like your explanation.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Zinzi on March 30, 2009, 06:41:36 AM
Hey ladies, don't worry I've done a much, much worse sleep deprived Lost WTF posting - how's about thinking I saw an elephant's trunk in "Solitary" when it was in fact Danielle pulling on her cardigan!  ;D - my only excuse is that is was viewed late night, on a small tv and way before HD AND I wasn't the only one who thought they saw it!  (I can't believe I just admitted that!)  Awww I feel a bit nostalgic for those S1 days when there could have been elephants as well as polar bears on the island!  Come to think of it there still could be if the island wanted there to be!

I agree that I totally thought Sayid was starting to feel for little Ben.  I gasped when he shot him.  I'm hoping there isn't an alternative timeline thing going to happen as I've been struggling with the time travel concept if what happened has always happened.  Here's hoping the next episode will prove this and help my poor confused brain!

Right I'm off to catch up with the threads as being a UK viewer I've only seen this episode last night!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: LOSTNightmaregk13 on March 30, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
wasn't Ben's father killed with the gas in a flashback? alongsde the rest of the Dharma iniciative Horace included...
wonder where Sayer and his crew were at this point
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Zinzi on March 30, 2009, 07:47:49 AM
He was indeed LOSTNightmaregk13.  We believe that this was in 1992 as when Locke sees Horace in his "dream" he says he's been dead for 12 years.  Hopefully Sawyer and co will be restored to their normal time by then!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: LOSTNightmaregk13 on March 30, 2009, 07:57:45 AM
He was indeed LOSTNightmaregk13.  We believe that this was in 1992 as when Locke sees Horace in his "dream" he says he's been dead for 12 years.  Hopefully Sawyer and co will be restored to their normal time by then!

thats reminds me of another connection
horace built the log cabin where Jacob lives (whoho) XD
so the oldham theory isn't that good (from the other topic)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Zinzi on March 30, 2009, 08:27:04 AM
I still don't know what to make of Jacob and as I don't think we'll find out who he is until the very end I think there will be a lot of red herrings along the way!  I'm not sure wether Jacob has always been there and only took up residence in what was originally Horace's cabin after the Purge (maybe because he's a prisoner there) or what to think really?!  I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride I think!  I really hope it is a jaw dropping moment when we do find out who or what he is!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 30, 2009, 08:28:33 AM
I still don't know what to make of Jacob and as I don't think we'll find out who he is until the very end I think there will be a lot of red herrings along the way!  I'm not sure wether Jacob has always been there and only took up residence in what was originally Horace's cabin after the Purge (maybe because he's a prisoner there) or what to think really?!  I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride I think!  I really hope it is a jaw dropping moment when we do find out who or what he is!
It better be!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 30, 2009, 12:53:20 PM
I think he said "I hate it here," not "I hated him." So this is a silly thread to have.

 ;)

Just let me know when this gets old and I'll stop, I promise! LOL!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 30, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
no , i bumped/quoted my original post from this thread so as to have it last. no old. April 1st didn't come yet! lol

I noticed some posts didn't make it here . swls must have been down. Cause I got an email notification that

 Zinzi wrote this....

Hey ladies, don't worry I've done a much, much worse sleep deprived Lost WTF posting - how's about thinking I saw an elephant's trunk in "Solitary" when it was in fact Danielle pulling on her cardigan!  ;D - my only excuse is that is was viewed late night, on a small tv and way before HD AND I wasn't the only one who thought they saw it!  (I can't believe I just admitted that!)  Awww I feel a bit nostalgic for those S1 days when there could have been elephants as well as polar bears on the island!  Come to think of it there still could be if the island wanted there to be!

I agree that I totally thought Sayid was starting to feel for little Ben.  I gasped when he shot him.  I'm hoping there isn't an alternative timeline thing going to happen as I've been struggling with the time travel concept if what happened has always happened.  Here's hoping the next episode will prove this and help my poor confused brain!

Right I'm off to catch up with the threads as being a UK viewer I've only seen this episode last night!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 30, 2009, 04:59:13 PM
awww, thanks Zinzi.
I actually am hoping for alternate time lines since it would explain a lot and also leave room for them to actually help and change the situation. otherwise what is the sense in it all? or at least have Desmond able to change things. otherwise why the God help us all statement? right!?  if whatever happenend happened Ben wouldn't be running around trying to make things happen. they just would .  :-\   right?  ???  ;D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Zinzi on March 31, 2009, 09:25:25 AM
 ;D No probs Mrs H!  We do still need to know who was resposible for the Dharma bus of fire!

Well the alternate time lines would also explain things like Locke saying to Jack they weren't supposed to leave and I agree that surely if whatever happened always happened would Ben need to run around like that, but I still have to go with there being only one timeline!  Maybe Ben thinks that the history can be changed (because he always knew about the time travelling lostees), but it can't?!  IDK it makes my brain hurt!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Novashannon on March 31, 2009, 11:38:23 AM
I hope so very much that they are not going to do alternate timelines, although you make a good point about Locke saying they aren't supposed to leave. 
Grown Ben is just trying to ensure that things happen as they ought.  Like the Losties going back in time.  Ben knows this has to happen, because for him it already has.  He will still kill his father eventually. 
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 31, 2009, 01:41:27 PM
but if whatever happened happened then why should Ben make sure they do? according to Mrs Hawking the universe will curse correct anyway. So why not every one sit back and just be? there obviously has to be more than whatever happened happened. or what is the point. :-\
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on March 31, 2009, 01:42:52 PM
but if whatever happened happened then why should Ben make sure they do? according to Mrs Hawking the universe will curse correct anyway. So why not every one sit back and just be? there obviously has to be more than whatever happened happened. or what is the point. :-\
Mrs. Hawking did say that its true. But everyone still has their role to play I think. If they don't, well I don't know what would happen. But her "God help us all" comment made me think they do need to play out their role in the story.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 31, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
My favorite, favorite quote from "My Name is Earl" goes something like this: "Karma doesn't have fists, so sometimes it has to borrow mine."

I think fate can play out however it's going to play out, but it has to borrow things like Ben's creepy ambition, and Jack's obstinacy, and Locke's despair, in order to do right.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 31, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
sigh.... I just don't get it. ???
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 31, 2009, 01:59:37 PM
lol...I know! I'm just making stuff up, you know. Nobody knows the difference and it makes me sound smarter.  ;) Why did they wait until 11 episodes in for one to be titled "Whatever happened, happened"?? This would have been much more helpful as, like, the 3rd episode.  :(
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 31, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
You always sound smart Mrs A. I just don't get the whatever happened happened stuff. i mean I understand what the theory is, but I don't see how it's possible. or why. Something doesn't sit right with me about it so I can't except it.
You are right. WHH should have come earlier. but tptb looooove to confuse us for some reason and like to mix the orders around.  :-\ something tells me they are brainwashing us  subliminally , in the show.  :o
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 31, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
Ummmm....what's the overall post count here? LOL! We're totally being brainwashed.  :o

If they wanted us to really believe WHH, they did a poor job of explaining it, if the sheer number of topics on it here are any indication. We're all watching the same show, and yet we're all divided on it...So either they've divided us deliberately and we're in for a shocker (or some of us are, me included), or they weren't clear enough with the delivery of the idea in the first place.

Oh I hope they give us some answers tomorrow! Not just hints at answers, but some real concrete stuff where we can put all this to rest. But I doubt it.  :(
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 31, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
You know, if we made a list of all the concrete answers we have been giving over the last 5 seasons, it would be a sad little list. this season started off so great with the answers and then just deflated like a bad soufflé . >:(
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 31, 2009, 02:28:45 PM
Oh no, now I want souffle! You're totally right. I keep thinking back to "Jughead" and how awesome it was (it's what made me join the forum, in fact)....vs. what we've been getting lately, and it just doesn't compare. I really, really hope tptb knows what they're doing, and they're going to tie it all up, every line, every little seemingly unimportant detail that we've had to watch the past few weeks. But, the season finales are always fantastic, so, I hope at least they'll keep up that tradition.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 31, 2009, 02:44:29 PM
I hope so too. It seems as though we are actually getting more questions than answers again and that the plot is actually getting more confussing.(hmmm,  I think I might be getting frustrated!  >:(  Ya think?! lol)
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 31, 2009, 03:03:08 PM
Mmmm..they're trying to explain everything that was confusing, but unfortunately, the explanation is equally confusing.  :-\
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Novashannon on March 31, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
To me that would be a copout of the time travel and destiny theme.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 01, 2009, 12:40:19 AM
what would be? ???
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: SQUIRT199 on April 01, 2009, 10:05:45 AM
Did Ben say "I hate him" or " I hate it here"?

Cause I swear I heard "I hate Him"
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: grizn0 on April 01, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
I think he said "I hate queers". Young Ben is a homophobe.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: opgelost on April 01, 2009, 10:56:39 AM
I just watch the episodes of the losties in dharmatime as a flashback of Ben's childhood.
As something that happened like all the other flasbacks happened.
Nobody ever questioned if Kate really murdered her dad or if she was changing history by doing that and what if she didn't kill him.

If things can be changed than I don't see why they don't take the sub and do what they have to do off-island,
instead of losing time changing things on the island where they cannot tell the truth and move safely.
Just take the sub, go to mr. Hanso or de Groot, tell them about the purge, warn them for Linus. Go to Christian, Kate's mother, Sawyer's mother, warn them. So that in the future they don't have to take that plane.

I think that they are there because things can't be changed and they have to do what happened and Abbadon, Hawking, Desmond, Christian, Charlie, Locke helped them to be in the right place in the right time.

It's too easy to kill major characters that we started to like for four years and than tell in the end that nobody died, because everything was changed and everybody now had a happy childhood and life in the past, no problems with daddy's, because everything was changed.
That's not redemption. I really wouldn't like that.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 01, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
but I don't like the thought that  they are going through all this and nothing can be changed. What is the point in the show , or in the charactors like Ben trying to persuade them to do or not do stuff and make sure everyone is where they should be. If you can't change anything and what happened happened then no one would need to make sure of anything!!!  :-\
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on April 01, 2009, 09:50:51 PM
but I don't like the thought that  they are going through all this and nothing can be changed. What is the point in the show , or in the charactors like Ben trying to persuade them to do or not do stuff and make sure everyone is where they should be. If you can't change anything and what happened happened then no one would need to make sure of anything!!!  :-\


I agree.  That is what your husband is there for.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 01, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
but I don't like the thought that  they are going through all this and nothing can be changed. What is the point in the show , or in the charactors like Ben trying to persuade them to do or not do stuff and make sure everyone is where they should be. If you can't change anything and what happened happened then no one would need to make sure of anything!!!  :-\


I agree.  That is what your husband is there for.
That's what I told her too!!  :D Never underestimate Desmond Hume. He's very, very important.
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 02, 2009, 01:03:15 AM
I agree with you both.  ;D  that's why I married him   ;) :D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 02, 2009, 01:07:52 AM
I agree with you both.  ;D  that's why I married him   ;) :D
Des/Richard mud wrestling...


I think we should bring this up at completely inappropriate times whenever we feel like it.  ;D
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 02, 2009, 01:10:20 AM
like now! and ................. now?
............................................................and now!

lol sounds goooood to me!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 02, 2009, 01:11:54 AM
except then for sure I'll lose any train of thought I had going on and any possibility of a decent theory will go right out the window. oh wait I haven't had one as of yet anyway so what the heck, why not!
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 02, 2009, 01:20:02 AM
Okay, so maybe we'll only bring up Des/Richard in the community lounge, where there aren't so many theories and we can be silly all we want. ??
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 02, 2009, 02:00:23 AM
or in here since this is the silly thread.  :P

So do you think Roger looked dead?
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 02, 2009, 02:03:42 AM
Roger was looking a little deadish...also creepy! Hitting on Kate? *shudder*
Title: Re: SO, Did Ben kill his father?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 02, 2009, 02:06:10 AM
yeah, Ben must have killed him. ::) :D

Oh i know, Yuck, Roger and Kate bla aaach
Ben's step mommy. NO wonder he becomes disturbed. lol