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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x08 => Topic started by: Chuckie on March 14, 2009, 08:01:29 PM

Title: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: Chuckie on March 14, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
Ok. So I was talking to a friend about LOST, and we were discussing Egyptian things, and she mentioned that the Sun God in ancient Egypt was Ra. Who seems to have been on the island longer than anyone? Richard Alpert? And this got me wondering about more Egyptian Symbolism. Here's some more information about various things related (Links are at the bottom. And all bolding is mine as well):

Ra: Ra shared many of his symbols with other solar deities, in particular Horus, usually depicted as a falcon. In artwork Ra primarily is depicted as a man wearing a pharaoh's crown (a sign of his leadership of the deities) and the wadjet sun disk above his head. Often he had a falcon's head, as does Horus. In later myths about Ra, the sun is portrayed differently according to the position of the sun in the sky. This was an early theme in Egyptian myths, with different names assigned to the sun depending upon its position in the sky. At sunrise he was the young boy Khepri, at noon the falcon-headed man Harakhty, and at sunset the elder Atum. This constant aging was suggested by some later Egyptians as the reason Ra stayed separate from the world and let Osiris or Horus rule in his place. This idea often is coupled with the myth in which Isis is able to trick an elderly Ra, having ruled on earth as a human pharaoh, into revealing his secret name, and thus the secret of his power. Ra subsequently lost his power, resulting in the cult of Isis and Osiris to rise in importance.1

This may explain some of why Richard isn't the leader of the Others when it seems so logical that he should be. Maybe he was tricked of power from someone. Who might we know that would do something sneaky like that?

Now, onto what we believe is our big find. The statue. I know that a common belief is that its Anubis. But I've always been a little uncomfortable with that. I think I have another lead. I think our statue is (in part at least) Taweret. 2  Now, before you doubt it, because Taweret is an animal deity, hear me out. Taweret is usually depicted at a hippopotamus, but check out this picture 3 and you tell me, doesn't that look like, from the back, it could be our statue's head? Who is Taweret, you ask? "Early during the Old Kingdom, the Egyptians came to see female hippopotamuses as less aggressive than the males, and began to view their aggression only as one of protecting their young and being good mothers, particularly since it is the males that are territorially aggressive. Consequently, Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth." This protection of pregnant women leads us to believe that the point in which Island women are no longer able to give birth, and the point in which the statue are destroyed could be one in the same. The statue was destroyed, thereby insuring that nothing protected the women any longer.

Also interesting, "As a protector, she often was shown with one arm resting on the sa symbol, which symbolized protection, and on occasion she carried an ankh, the symbol of life." Here is a side view version of Taweret with the Sa symbol 4 That thing certainly looks like it could be what our Statue has in its left hand.


And finally, if you notice on the second picture in the wiki article 5 you'll notice that, being an animal, Taweret has...wait for it...FOUR TOES!!!

Ok, this is my theory. Pick it apart as you see fit.

1.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
2.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret
3.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taweret_in_faience.jpg
4.   http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/gods/explore/main.html
5.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tawaret_figurine_(Boston_MFA).jpg
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: EmoKidSid on March 14, 2009, 08:43:47 PM
This is the best, and most correct theory I have heard about anything.
It is undoubtedly truth.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: JMart on March 14, 2009, 08:56:10 PM
lol emo kid signed up just to support this thread.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: EmoKidSid on March 14, 2009, 08:59:28 PM
Course I did! Helped come up with it  ;D
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: Chuckie on March 14, 2009, 09:02:06 PM
lol emo kid signed up just to support this thread.

HAHA. You know that person in my original post that suggested Ra=Richard Alpert? Now you've met her.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: vickilynn on March 14, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
Richard Alpert could be RA...I'm not subscribing to particulars, but believe he is tied into ancient Egypt somehow.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: Harry Erickson on March 15, 2009, 04:28:00 AM
I think that someone on the island is a god most likely richard, but Ra doesnt make sense
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 16, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Love it. I was also skeptical about the statues being Anubis because of the lack of pointy ears and staff.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: BobBX542 on March 16, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
Deffinitely seems to fit. Especially the bit about the Sa totem. Does match the look of an Ankh, so it would make sense that we all confused it. The only thing that has me concerned about this idea is that When Richard said to Locke about how Ben was wasting their time with trivialites like childbirth etc. So, if Richard isn't concerned about the childbirth issue, why would there be a statue to celebrate the deity associated with protection of pregnancy and childbirth??

All in all, this is really good. I just hope you didn't do this research for nothing. Oh, and I can clearly count 5 toes on the picture of that statue.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 16, 2009, 03:58:55 PM
What if Richard is responsible for the destruction of the statue? What if he doesn't want people to reproduce on the island?
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 16, 2009, 04:00:44 PM
What if Richard is responsible for the destruction of the statue? What if he doesn't want people to reproduce on the island?

Ooooo..and he's the villain? I kinda like that.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 16, 2009, 04:02:30 PM
What if Richard is responsible for the destruction of the statue? What if he doesn't want people to reproduce on the island?

Ooooo..and he's the villain? I kinda like that.

Well maybe theres a perfectly good reason why people shouldnt reproduce on the island too. Not saying your man is evil for sure :P
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 16, 2009, 04:08:59 PM
What if Richard is responsible for the destruction of the statue? What if he doesn't want people to reproduce on the island?
Ooooo..and he's the villain? I kinda like that.
Well maybe theres a perfectly good reason why people shouldnt reproduce on the island too. Not saying your man is evil for sure :P
Hmm....too bad. LOL! I want him to be wise and good, but if he can play a really kick-a$$ villain, that'd just be hot.  ::)

I had a thought that, if the statue is Taweret, maybe there are other statues around that have the unfortunate circumstance of having nothing left to them, not even a four-toed remnant. If fertility problems are trivial to Richard, I'd think that either 1.They have a better way of solving those problems (Taweret), 2.They have to be focused on something else besides fertility right now and that's why Ben got the boot, because he wasn't doing his job, or 3.Everyone's destiny is to become like Locke/Christian, possibly Richard, and can you reproduce if you've been dead but are resurrected?  ??? idk....just thinking...
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 16, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
What if Richard is responsible for the destruction of the statue? What if he doesn't want people to reproduce on the island?
Ooooo..and he's the villain? I kinda like that.
Well maybe theres a perfectly good reason why people shouldnt reproduce on the island too. Not saying your man is evil for sure :P
Hmm....too bad. LOL! I want him to be wise and good, but if he can play a really kick-a$$ villain, that'd just be hot.  ::)

I had a thought that, if the statue is Taweret, maybe there are other statues around that have the unfortunate circumstance of having nothing left to them, not even a four-toed remnant. If fertility problems are trivial to Richard, I'd think that either 1.They have a better way of solving those problems (Taweret), 2.They have to be focused on something else besides fertility right now and that's why Ben got the boot, because he wasn't doing his job, or 3.Everyone's destiny is to become like Locke/Christian, possibly Richard, and can you reproduce if you've been dead but are resurrected?  ??? idk....just thinking...

I like number 2! Ben does seem to care an awful lot about fixing the fertility problem.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 16, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Yeah, if Richard understands that there's a really big problem on the island, and recruits Ben to be the new leader....and all Ben does is whine about reproduction when really he should be worried about time and space and saving the planet or whatever, I can imagine how Richard would be kinda pissed at him. And why the island would want him gone.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: BobBX542 on March 16, 2009, 04:53:18 PM
I'm curious (as others are as well I'm sure) as to why Ben is so concerned with the reproductive aspect of the women on the island. Perhaps it has something to do with his Mom dying at childbirth, or something involving Annie?? This seems to stick out to me more than most other issues. I was thinking that it might be something ambiguous, like the island/Jacob told him to resolve an issue that relates to him and the island, and he incorrectly assumed it was the women dying during childbirth.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 16, 2009, 05:05:02 PM
I like that idea, Bob...makes sense. At this point I like anything that makes sense, lol! My standards have definitely been lowered! :D
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 16, 2009, 06:32:50 PM
i think broadened would be a better word in my case haha
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on March 16, 2009, 07:57:49 PM
This is a great theory.  I can't believe that I missed those initials!  Especially when I was saying back in season 3 that characters like Richard, Ben and Widmore were possibly gods.  I have been an advocate of Widmore being a god similar to Poseidon, because of the similarities with him and Desmond in the story of Homer's Odyssey.  Finally people are starting to come around to the god theories!
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 17, 2009, 08:50:30 AM
This is a great theory.  I can't believe that I missed those initials!  Especially when I was saying back in season 3 that characters like Richard, Ben and Widmore were possibly gods.  I have been an advocate of Widmore being a god similar to Poseidon, because of the similarities with him and Desmond in the story of Homer's Odyssey.  Finally people are starting to come around to the god theories!

I never thought of that but you're right, Widmore and Desmond's story is similar to Homer's Odyssey. How cool! But which god could you compare Ben to?
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: BrianIsLost2 on March 17, 2009, 07:12:02 PM
This is a great theory.  I can't believe that I missed those initials!  Especially when I was saying back in season 3 that characters like Richard, Ben and Widmore were possibly gods.  I have been an advocate of Widmore being a god similar to Poseidon, because of the similarities with him and Desmond in the story of Homer's Odyssey.  Finally people are starting to come around to the god theories!

I never thought of that but you're right, Widmore and Desmond's story is similar to Homer's Odyssey. How cool! But which god could you compare Ben to?

I don't know exacly what kind of god Ben would be, but I put him in that catigory because of what Widmore said to him when they had their talk in the middle of the night.  Widmore said "I know what you are" Not who, but what.  I think that may mean that he knows that Ben, too, is some kind of god.
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 17, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
Would it be inappropriate to say that Richard and Ben are kinda already my gods? LOL!
Title: Re: A new theory on the Statue, plus more Egyptian connections
Post by: grizn0 on March 18, 2009, 09:08:10 AM
This is a great theory.  I can't believe that I missed those initials!  Especially when I was saying back in season 3 that characters like Richard, Ben and Widmore were possibly gods.  I have been an advocate of Widmore being a god similar to Poseidon, because of the similarities with him and Desmond in the story of Homer's Odyssey.  Finally people are starting to come around to the god theories!

I never thought of that but you're right, Widmore and Desmond's story is similar to Homer's Odyssey. How cool! But which god could you compare Ben to?

I don't know exacly what kind of god Ben would be, but I put him in that catigory because of what Widmore said to him when they had their talk in the middle of the night.  Widmore said "I know what you are" Not who, but what.  I think that may mean that he knows that Ben, too, is some kind of god.

Interesting...