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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x08 => Topic started by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 09:47:47 PM

Title: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 09:47:47 PM
Was Amy's insistence that they bury the dead Others bodies, purely to hide the fact they were killed?

The Others appear to be expert trackers. One broken branch can lead them onto your trail, so I doubt a shallow grave would have been much use; the Others would have found the grave sooner or later.

Remember how Danielle and Karl's bodies appeared to be not so much buried as absorbed into the ground?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2ylpikk.jpg)

Is there something else at play here?

And Paul's necklace... Ankhs were popular around the late sixties/early seventies, but what if Paul's necklace indicated something else - like allegiance to something other than the DHARMA Initiative? Perhaps, Paul was an undercover Other?

Why exactly did Richard want his body? Why wouldn't his word be good enough, if he'd told the Others that the perpetrator had been killed? The Others seem to believe everything else he tells them...

What if there are dozens of undercover Others within the D.I. ranks? They might use Egyptian symbolism as a calling card to one another (like the countdown timer in the Swan hatch) in the same way that graffiti artists tag their work.

Sorry if none of this makes sense. It's nearly one a.m. here and I'm a bit bog-eyed.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
Makes perfect sense to me...and is entirely plausible! I wish I could make sense...make connections...of all the little clues we've received. Danielle and Karl's bodies did creep me out...not sure what it means. You must bury the dead deep, or else, it seems. I also agree that Richard did not need the body for "proof," I'm sure the others would take his word for it. There must be something else going on...and hopefully we'll find out sooner rather than later!
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 09:55:51 PM
I also agree that Richard did not need the body for "proof," I'm sure the others would take his word for it.

Well, my first thought was that they were going to recycle the body - which is a bit out there. lol

It does seem more plausible that if Paul was an undercover Other, Richard would want his people to bury the body, rather than the D.I.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 10:01:56 PM
In the thread "Richard Needing the Body", I read it really fast and thought it said Richard FEEDING the Body, and my mind totally thought he was going to feed dogs with poor Paul's body. Cerberus has gotta eat, right? LOL!

It makes sense to me too (your theory MB, not Richard feeding a Dharmite to Smokey).

On Amy's insistence that they bury the bodies: If the Others could find her and Paul while having a picnic, they would surely stumble across the two dead bodies, sooner than later. Others don't kill each other (Juliet got marked for it), so they would know the DI must have done it. Couldn't bring the bodies back, because the Others might come to ask about their missing people, OR maybe Horace would be pissed that they broke the truce, and he'd have to find Richard himself to tell him. But as Locke said, Nothing stays buried on this island. It is a recurring theme, so it probably does have a deeper meaning.

I really can't say what I believe because I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened. I mean, Amy and Paul went on a picnic, and Paul gets shot?!?! That seems harsh even for Others. I think something else is going on there, as well.

Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:02:53 PM
Yes, my very first thought was that they were going to do something with the body too (didn't think of recycling, but along that line)...but Paul being an undercover other makes sense. Or, maybe they just started to intermingle and breed together!
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:05:31 PM
I really can't say what I believe because I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened. I mean, Amy and Paul went on a picnic, and Paul gets shot?!?! That seems harsh even for Others. I think something else is going on there, as well.

Amy's expression when she zapped them on the sonic fence and she removed her earplugs... It just seemed cold. Very cold, considering they'd just saved her. I don't like her.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 10:08:07 PM
I really can't say what I believe because I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened. I mean, Amy and Paul went on a picnic, and Paul gets shot?!?! That seems harsh even for Others. I think something else is going on there, as well.

Amy's expression when she zapped them on the sonic fence and she removed her earplugs... It just seemed cold. Very cold, considering they'd just saved her. I don't like her.

Maybe if she becomes the new Juliet with all the secret-keeping, I'll like Juliet more. There's hope for me yet!
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
Didn't Paul work for the Security division? Surely a Security Officer would be more aware of the boundaries, than say... a janitor at the DHARMA school?

Something's not adding-up at all.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:13:21 PM
I really can't say what I believe because I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened. I mean, Amy and Paul went on a picnic, and Paul gets shot?!?! That seems harsh even for Others. I think something else is going on there, as well.

Amy's expression when she zapped them on the sonic fence and she removed her earplugs... It just seemed cold. Very cold, considering they'd just saved her. I don't like her.

I agree 100%!
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:16:04 PM
I agree 100%!

That's the first 100% I've had in aaaaaaages.  :)
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
I agree 100%!

That's the first 100% I've had in aaaaaaages.  :)

Feels good, huh?!  ;D
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:32:42 PM
You must bury the dead deep, or else, it seems.

Yes... Very curious.

I presume you're considering reanimation (by Smokey?) as a possibility?
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:38:49 PM
You must bury the dead deep, or else, it seems.

Yes... Very curious.

I presume you're considering reanimation (by Smokey?) as a possibility?
That is definitely a possibility.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: Maxor127 on March 10, 2009, 02:16:50 AM
I think Amy wanted to hide the bodies as a desperate attempt to keep the peace and nothing more.  And I think Richard wanted Paul's body as evidence that justice had been served and nothing more.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: Chuckie on March 10, 2009, 03:46:37 AM
Perhaps, Paul was an undercover Other?


Hmmm. This got my mind spinning. Forgive me if I'm rehashing exactly what someone else has said.

What if Paul was an undercover other, and Amy found out? Paul was there to blend in, like Ethan was to the Losties. So he blended in with Amy. But she found out. She said they should take a picnic. When they get out to the picnic, she pulls a gun and confronts Paul. They argue and she shoots him. Hearing the gunshots the 2 Others come running. That's when our Losties arrive. They see 2 Others with guns on a DI woman, whose husband and apparent fellow Dharmite is dead on the ground, and she has a bag on her head. Sawyer and Juliet take out the Others, and Amy has gotten away. Then from there Amy leads them back through the sonic fence, the Losties tell their story, and Amy doesn't tell anyone anything different, because for some reason she's keeping Paul's true identity a secret.

As I said, my mind got spinning. If it doesn't make sense, sorry about that. It's late.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 10, 2009, 07:56:03 AM
I think Amy wanted to hide the bodies as a desperate attempt to keep the peace and nothing more.  And I think Richard wanted Paul's body as evidence that justice had been served and nothing more.

You didn't find Amy's behaviour strange or Richard's request weird?

What if Paul was an undercover other, and Amy found out? Paul was there to blend in, like Ethan was to the Losties. So he blended in with Amy. But she found out. She said they should take a picnic. When they get out to the picnic, she pulls a gun and confronts Paul. They argue and she shoots him.

I do think she killed her husband.

Why didn't the two thug-like Others just shoot her too, if they were so trigger-happy? The two Others seemed to be abducting her to take her back to the Others camp - hence the sack over her head. Why abduct her rather than kill her?... My guess is to face trial for killing one of their people.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: Mommainternet on March 10, 2009, 09:11:04 AM
Perhaps, Paul was an undercover Other?


Hmmm. This got my mind spinning. Forgive me if I'm rehashing exactly what someone else has said.

What if Paul was an undercover other, and Amy found out? Paul was there to blend in, like Ethan was to the Losties. So he blended in with Amy. But she found out. She said they should take a picnic. When they get out to the picnic, she pulls a gun and confronts Paul. They argue and she shoots him. Hearing the gunshots the 2 Others come running. That's when our Losties arrive. They see 2 Others with guns on a DI woman, whose husband and apparent fellow Dharmite is dead on the ground, and she has a bag on her head. Sawyer and Juliet take out the Others, and Amy has gotten away. Then from there Amy leads them back through the sonic fence, the Losties tell their story, and Amy doesn't tell anyone anything different, because for some reason she's keeping Paul's true identity a secret.

As I said, my mind got spinning. If it doesn't make sense, sorry about that. It's late.

This actually makes a lot of sense.  I think like most things in Lost we'll come to find out that scene wasn't what we thought it was and I tend to agree I don't think the Others killed Paul.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 10, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
I think Amy's an undercover Other too.

So, both Amy and Paul were undercover Others and after she shot Paul, the two thug-like Others were going to take her back to face trial, like Juliet did.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: Chuckie on March 11, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
I think Amy's an undercover Other too.

So, both Amy and Paul were undercover Others and after she shot Paul, the two thug-like Others were going to take her back to face trial, like Juliet did.

This makes a lot of sense as well. And I thought of this, but I can't figure out what would set Amy on the path to killing Paul, if they were both Others. Not to say it didn't happen, this way. In fact, I would guess this is the truth. I just liked the "Why wouldn't Amy tell everyone he was an Other?" loose end better than the "Why did OtherAmy shoot OtherPaul?"
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 12, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
In fact, I would guess this is the truth. I just liked the "Why wouldn't Amy tell everyone he was an Other?" loose end better than the "Why did OtherAmy shoot OtherPaul?"

The reason why Amy wouldn't tell everybody that her dead husband was an undercover Other, would be to not raise the finger of suspicion against herself.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: conway on March 13, 2009, 10:29:09 PM
Great idea.  Ben was a double agent as well as he lived in Dharma land but worked with Richard to eventually kill off his friends as well as dear old Dad.
I always thought it odd that Richard insisted that Dharma had broken the truce when in reality Richard's men apparently killed Paul and were about to shoot Amy.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: JMart on March 13, 2009, 11:20:11 PM
i like this idea :D
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 14, 2009, 06:51:11 AM
Great idea.  Ben was a double agent as well as he lived in Dharma land but worked with Richard to eventually kill off his friends as well as dear old Dad.

Undercover Others may have been behind the strange video in Room 23. It might have started off as a fairly innocuous DHARMA training film, until it was amended by persons unknown over the years, becoming the freakathon it is now.

The only other time we know of someone editing DHARMA films, was when Kelvin told Desmond that Radzinsky had cut the Swan Orientation film. So... I think that Radzinsky was also an undercover Other (and possibly an alias of Sam Toomey - but that's another topic really).
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: Creflo on March 17, 2009, 02:43:22 PM
To steer this back toward the original post...

I think burying the bodies IS significant because of what happens (or doesn't happen) afterward.  I'm not sure what that is, but Amy did NOT say "We've got to hide the bodies".

I'm almost certain that the reason Alpert wanted the bodies back was to hold an Others funeral...

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/48/ColleenSea3x05.jpg)

...which is about as different from burying as you can get.
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: MangoBingo on March 17, 2009, 08:04:26 PM
I'm almost certain that the reason Alpert wanted the bodies back was to hold an Others funeral...

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/48/ColleenSea3x05.jpg)

...which is about as different from burying as you can get.

Are you including Paul along with the two thug-like Others?
Title: Re: Burying The Bodies
Post by: Creflo on March 20, 2009, 12:04:16 PM

Are you including Paul along with the two thug-like Others?

I believe Alpert wanted Paul's body (and those of the two thugs) so that he could control what happened to their "spirit" (for lack of a better term).  I'm not sure what he'll do with them or which of the three he'd want to come back to life (if that would even happen).  Maybe he can get information from Paul using a Miles-like gifted Hostile.

But, I'm pretty sure that burying a body on The Island prevents the person from coming back.