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Title: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 05, 2009, 12:09:15 PM
Last year Ben stated that Charlotte's birthday was July 2, 1979. How is she alive on the island in 1974 when Daniel sees her??

Did Ben lie or is it a mistake by the producers?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 12:15:11 PM
Interesting....well, we know that other stuff from what Ben said was a lie: about her being born in England, at least. Possible he could have lied about that. Maybe that's the history she was told so she wouldn't think about the island anymore...and that's the history that's out there, in files and stuff that Ben had people investigate for him. He got wrong information??
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 12:16:49 PM
Maybe it's a mistake by Daniel. He might have seen a little girl that he THOUGHT was Charlotte but really wasn't.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 12:18:33 PM
I think when Charlotte left the island with her mother she was given a totally new idenity just Locke and Ben have had.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 05, 2009, 12:20:14 PM
Interesting....well, we know that other stuff from what Ben said was a lie: about her being born in England, at least. Possible he could have lied about that. Maybe that's the history she was told so she wouldn't think about the island anymore...and that's the history that's out there, in files and stuff that Ben had people investigate for him. He got wrong information??

Seems like the way to go. Like if she was on the island until 1979, and then her and her mother left the island, and falsified all of her documents so that her offisland birthday was in '79. Either that...or a HUGE flub by the producers.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JMart on March 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Last year Ben stated that Charlotte's birthday was July 2, 1979. How is she alive on the island in 1974 when Daniel sees her??

Did Ben lie or is it a mistake by the producers?

was that girl not 5 years old?


maybe that's all they could cast, but wanted her to be 5
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 12:28:16 PM
You can tell a girl that her birthday is one or two years off, but TEN? No way that's a good excuse. It's either a mistake or she wasn't Charlotte, imho.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: LOSTRULES on March 05, 2009, 12:30:57 PM
I felt so bad for Daniel when he was saw her as a little girl.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on March 05, 2009, 12:31:02 PM
I really hope it turns out not to be her or a good explanation is given because that would be a huge mistake in the timeline
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 12:39:49 PM
With how complex and intertwined everything is on this show, I can't see the producers making a mistake like that. They know how we LOST fans analyze everything that happens and try to interpret some hidden meaning. Everything happens for a reason!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 12:58:21 PM
Wait a minute...what if, when Charlotte and her mum leave the island, THEY jump into the future...so, Charlotte is 5yo when they leave, but they jump to 1984?? That would explain everything. But of course the new question would be, wtf with time-jumping Charlotte??
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 05, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
i do not believe that there is all of this time jumping. Desmond did because of the hatch turn key and those results. Ben and Locke and Losties did because of the donkey wheel. Don't think Charlotte got off the island because of this.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 01:12:58 PM
Time jumping may have been a factor. Good point, but I guess it would depend on how she left??? I still think that a fake passport may have been her only link to her birth though.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lost In NH on March 05, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
I dont' think it was Charlotte.  Dan is grieving and saw a little red head.  

Maybe they can fool some casual Lost fans, but not us!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
I dont' think it was Charlotte.  Dan is grieving and saw a little red head.  

Maybe they can fool some casual Lost fans, but not us!

Yeah, but she had an English accent too.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
There would have been no other point for showing us that little girl! After Daniels rambling about Charlotte dying it only makes sense (if thats possible) for it to be Charlotte!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 05, 2009, 01:15:43 PM
Time jumping may have been a factor. Good point, but I guess it would depend on how she left??? I still think that a fake passport may have been her only link to her birth though.
I just don't believe they sent little Charlotte down to turn the donkey wheel
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 01:17:37 PM
I agree, but we may not know of all the different ways people get off the island. I think it will be important to know why she left first.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: opgelost on March 05, 2009, 01:22:45 PM
Time jumping may have been a factor. Good point, but I guess it would depend on how she left??? I still think that a fake passport may have been her only link to her birth though.
I just don't believe they sent little Charlotte down to turn the donkey wheel

That's the only way to skip ten years of your life.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 05, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
Charlotte stated that she grew up on the Island, in the DHARMA Initiative, though she and her mother had to leave while she was still quite young. Her father did not leave with them. At some point while she was on the island, she had an encounter with a "crazy" man (who she later came to believe was Daniel Faraday) who told her that she should never come back to the island or else she would die. After they settled in England, Charlotte says that whenever she would ask her mother about the island, her mother would insist that it was not real, and that she had imagined it
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 05, 2009, 01:24:28 PM
Time jumping may have been a factor. Good point, but I guess it would depend on how she left??? I still think that a fake passport may have been her only link to her birth though.
I just don't believe they sent little Charlotte down to turn the donkey wheel

That's the only way to skip ten years of your life.
It is the only way that we know of so far.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
What if Charlotte's mom turned the wheel to leave the island with young Charlotte in tow, that would explain the ten year discrepancy and would explain why she not only knew what the orchid really was, and why she knew where the well lead to.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: opgelost on March 05, 2009, 01:57:13 PM
I would like to know when Charlotte's body is.
When Jin flashed from when Montand lost his arm to when Rousseau shot Robert,
Montands arm was still there, in decay, but still there.

Now they flash from a period when the well is there, but the orchid not yet
to a time when the statue is there to a time when the well is there, but closed.
And Charlotte's body is gone. Did she die in the first period or in the statueperiod?
In what time is her body and who is going to find it or how does it disappear?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 02:08:56 PM
What if Charlotte's mom turned the wheel to leave the island with young Charlotte in tow, that would explain the ten year discrepancy and would explain why she not only knew what the orchid really was, and why she knew where the well lead to.


TRUE!!!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 05, 2009, 02:10:39 PM
I would like to know when Charlotte's body is.
When Jin flashed from when Montand lost his arm to when Rousseau shot Robert,
Montands arm was still there, in decay, but still there.

Now they flash from a period when the well is there, but the orchid not yet
to a time when the statue is there to a time when the well is there, but closed.
And Charlotte's body is gone. Did she die in the first period or in the statueperiod?
In what time is her body and who is going to find it or how does it disappear?

Thats a good point! I'm not sure if it was because they went back in time instead of forward. She is only 5 where they are now. If they had of shifted time into the future, her body should have still been there.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: opgelost on March 05, 2009, 02:16:59 PM
I supposed they went forward in time, because the well was closed with earth.
To build a well you start digging and build the wall later or do you first build
the wall and than dig inside of it? I never digged a well.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 05, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
I would like to know when Charlotte's body is.
When Jin flashed from when Montand lost his arm to when Rousseau shot Robert,
Montands arm was still there, in decay, but still there.

Now they flash from a period when the well is there, but the orchid not yet
to a time when the statue is there to a time when the well is there, but closed.
And Charlotte's body is gone. Did she die in the first period or in the statueperiod?
In what time is her body and who is going to find it or how does it disappear?

She died right before the flash that made the Losties see the statue. So this we can assume is somewhere near present time.  So when the island shifted back in time her body was not there.   I guess that is the only way to explain it.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 02:29:53 PM
I supposed they went forward in time, because the well was closed with earth.
To build a well you start digging and build the wall later or do you first build
the wall and than dig inside of it? I never digged a well.
I think you dig first. I mean, you can't really build a wall underground if it's still covered with dirt.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Survivor815 on March 05, 2009, 02:36:42 PM
Last year Ben stated that Charlotte's birthday was July 2, 1979. How is she alive on the island in 1974 when Daniel sees her??

Did Ben lie or is it a mistake by the producers?

I thought the same thing last night and it confused the hell out of me!!!   ???  But Lost will do that to ya! lol
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: lostieloo on March 05, 2009, 06:27:39 PM
Could it have been that other elusive redhead Annie?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Still_lost06 on March 05, 2009, 06:40:39 PM
Ben does seem to lie once in a while. Oops. I mean tell the TRUTH once in a while.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 05, 2009, 07:43:39 PM
I can't see them making such a huge timeline error accidentally.  Ben's story is beginning to unravel.  While Charlotte clearly believed the story he told, it's probably just not true.  She was lied to by her mom for her own protection.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: LostinLock on March 05, 2009, 07:54:07 PM
Ben does seem to lie once in a while. Oops. I mean tell the TRUTH once in a while.

Okay any here who believe Ben tells the truth raise their hands
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 07:58:05 PM
Only when it suits him.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 09:03:39 PM
My hand is half-raised, cause he tells the truth half the time, and even then, he only tells half-truths.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: sledgeweb on March 05, 2009, 10:12:24 PM
My hand is half-raised, cause he tells the truth half the time, and even then, he only tells half-truths.

So, in total, he tells 1/4 truth.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: fmbleiler432 on March 05, 2009, 10:23:05 PM
am i completly off or would charlotte have been in that one room classroom woth ben durring that episode of bens childhood
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 10:23:57 PM
My hand is half-raised, cause he tells the truth half the time, and even then, he only tells half-truths.

So, in total, he tells 1/4 truth.

Yeah, approximately. But I don't know how to raise my hand 1/4 of the way. I don't think it'd get past my elbow.  :-\
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 06, 2009, 12:35:05 PM
Last year Ben stated that Charlotte's birthday was July 2, 1979. How is she alive on the island in 1974 when Daniel sees her??

Did Ben lie or is it a mistake by the producers?
was that girl not 5 years old?
maybe that's all they could cast, but wanted her to be 5

I might be bad at guessing ages, but I have a 4 year old nephew (5 at the end of March) and that little girl did not look 5 years old. She looked closer to three to me, and that small of a discrepency could be missed by faking a birth certificate.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Lyricc96 on March 06, 2009, 01:18:20 PM
Thats what I think happened, when Charlotte left the island they falsified her documents (maybe they were afraid of future ties to the island) so there may explain a discrepancy with her "true" age. Because she was born on the island (I'm guessing) they needed a fake birth certifiacte (passport) for her to appear as though she was born somewhere else.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: opgelost on March 06, 2009, 01:37:39 PM
Last year Ben stated that Charlotte's birthday was July 2, 1979. How is she alive on the island in 1974 when Daniel sees her??

Did Ben lie or is it a mistake by the producers?
was that girl not 5 years old?
maybe that's all they could cast, but wanted her to be 5

I might be bad at guessing ages, but I have a 4 year old nephew (5 at the end of March) and that little girl did not look 5 years old. She looked closer to three to me, and that small of a discrepency could be missed by faking a birth certificate.

If she was 3 in 1974 when Dan saw her, she was born in 1970/1971. Ben said 1979. That's a big difference.
You cannot fool a 15year old girl and tell her that se is 7.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 06, 2009, 02:51:48 PM
Last year Ben stated that Charlotte's birthday was July 2, 1979. How is she alive on the island in 1974 when Daniel sees her??

Did Ben lie or is it a mistake by the producers?
was that girl not 5 years old?
maybe that's all they could cast, but wanted her to be 5

I might be bad at guessing ages, but I have a 4 year old nephew (5 at the end of March) and that little girl did not look 5 years old. She looked closer to three to me, and that small of a discrepency could be missed by faking a birth certificate.

If she was 3 in 1974 when Dan saw her, she was born in 1970/1971. Ben said 1979. That's a big difference.
You cannot fool a 15year old girl and tell her that se is 7.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I can't believe I did that. I was thinking backwards because they traveled back in time. Holy crap that was stupid. LOL. Nice catch. Although I still think the girl was closer to three. Maybe the easy answer is that wasn't Charlotte. I mean, it is possible that there has been more than one red headed child on the island. LOL, so stupid I am I says.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PNS on March 06, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
CV informations about Kahana crew collect for Ben Michael.
There said Miles to Michael that nobody on Kahana is who seems.
So Charlotte's biography was probably fake. She can't wrote into biography that was born on the island  ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 06, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
Daniel went after the little girl when he was completely spaced out.  If ever there was a time when Daniel could be described as crazy, that was it.  This would suggest that it was Charlotte and that was the time that Daniel talked to her.  But, I think this and the red hair are the only reasons to believe that it was Charlotte that Daniel saw.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 06, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
and if that was her and that was the time he told her to leave the island, then this time around he didn't tell her to leave. So I wonder if she stays and what happeneds if she does? Do they (o6 + ) take her with them before the purge! and then Dan raises her as her father and that is why he loves her so? I don't know, would that work out? cause they are  around the same age on the the island when she dies. Maybe that's because Dan can time jump anytime. so he was time jumping from the beginning of all this. I'm just thinking out loud.  :-\
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 06, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
Daniel went after the little girl when he was completely spaced out.  If ever there was a time when Daniel could be described as crazy, that was it.  This would suggest that it was Charlotte and that was the time that Daniel talked to her.  But, I think this and the red hair are the only reasons to believe that it was Charlotte that Daniel saw.

Not trying to pick on you I swear, LOL. But I don't think Dan went after her. Are you talking about when Richard came into the camp and everyone was ordered inside?? I might be remembering it wrong, but I'm pretty sure he just was shuffled inside with all of the others.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 09:39:00 PM
I agree with Bob. Daniel just noticed her. We will see him talking with Charlotte later on.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 07, 2009, 02:15:13 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 08, 2009, 02:54:18 PM
yes well,  I was just trying to clear up what shakey was saying.
and I have no predictions on this matter. I could see it going either way right now.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 08, 2009, 04:21:59 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.

speaking of that, does anyone else think that at some point the Dharmaites will accuse Dan of being a pedophile.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 04:28:08 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.
speaking of that, does anyone else think that at some point the Dharmaites will accuse Dan of being a pedophile.

I know I shouldn't laugh because I agree with you, but that boy has always seemed so nice, it's kind of ridiculous to me that anyone could think that...until he chases after the 3-year-old with his googly eyes....
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 08, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.
speaking of that, does anyone else think that at some point the Dharmaites will accuse Dan of being a pedophile.

I know I shouldn't laugh because I agree with you, but that boy has always seemed so nice, it's kind of ridiculous to me that anyone could think that...until he chases after the 3-year-old with his googly eyes....
well if you watch those "to catch a predator" shows, most of the guys they catch are usually fine upstanding citizens.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 04:39:41 PM
well if you watch those "to catch a predator" shows, most of the guys they catch are usually fine upstanding citizens.


I don't know, they always seem creepy to me. Dan was gentle and sensitive. Except now he's crazier than ever. Pre-time-skipping Dan = no way he's a predator. Post-time-skipping crazy googly-eyed Dan = predator.  :( Maybe he'll be marked like Juliet and banished from the island.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 08, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
well if you watch those "to catch a predator" shows, most of the guys they catch are usually fine upstanding citizens.


I don't know, they always seem creepy to me. Dan was gentle and sensitive. Except now he's crazier than ever. Pre-time-skipping Dan = no way he's a predator. Post-time-skipping crazy googly-eyed Dan = predator.  :( Maybe he'll be marked like Juliet and banished from the island.

I didn't say he was one, I just think someone will see him staring at young Charlotte and not understand the circumstances.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
I didn't say he was one, I just think someone will see him staring at young Charlotte and not understand the circumstances.

Oh I know. I think so too. I just wish he wasn't all crazy.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 08, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
I didn't say he was one, I just think someone will see him staring at young Charlotte and not understand the circumstances.

Oh I know. I think so too. I just wish he wasn't all crazy.

speaking of pedophiles, I just tried to add you as a friend on myspace but you have it set so I can only do it if I know your last name or emails address, so add me instead.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
speaking of pedophiles, I just tried to add you as a friend on myspace but you have it set so I can only do it if I know your last name or emails address, so add me instead.

LOL! Do you listen to Bo Burnham? No more talking about pedophiles, it's giving me heeby jeebies! Let me see what I can do about myspace.....
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 08, 2009, 04:58:09 PM
I didn't know who that was until you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 08, 2009, 07:56:31 PM
well if you watch those "to catch a predator" shows, most of the guys they catch are usually fine upstanding citizens.


I don't know, they always seem creepy to me. Dan was gentle and sensitive. Except now he's crazier than ever. Pre-time-skipping Dan = no way he's a predator. Post-time-skipping crazy googly-eyed Dan = predator.  :( Maybe he'll be marked like Juliet and banished from the island.

I didn't say he was one, I just think someone will see him staring at young Charlotte and not understand the circumstances.
"Iím not allowed to have chocolate before dinner... mm...."

Creepiest line in the history of LOST. *shudder*
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 08:12:29 PM
Agreed, PL. I thought at the time that we might hear her say everything she was saying in her time-warp, and the chocolate thing definitely sounded to me like a response to Daniel's creepy approach...  :(
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: MangoBingo on March 08, 2009, 08:23:32 PM
"I’m not allowed to have chocolate before dinner... mm...."

Creepiest line in the history of LOST. *shudder*

My ten year-old niece, Sophie, kept saying this to me on Friday evening. She was affecting a Verruca Salt voice as she did it. It was really weird and annoying!!!

(http://standanddeliver.blogs.com/dombo/wonveruca.jpg)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: zeekloveslost on March 08, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
What if Charlotte's mom turned the wheel to leave the island with young Charlotte in tow, that would explain the ten year discrepancy and would explain why she not only knew what the orchid really was, and why she knew where the well lead to.

this would also explain why she knew to search for evidence of the island in Tunisia!
I'm leaning on Charlotte and mom leaving the island via the wheel and ending up in Tunisia enough years into the future to make it plausible for folks to think she was born in '79.

like Mrs Alpert says here:

Wait a minute...what if, when Charlotte and her mum leave the island, THEY jump into the future...so, Charlotte is 5yo when they leave, but they jump to 1984?? That would explain everything. But of course the new question would be, wtf with time-jumping Charlotte??
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 11:01:56 PM
What if Charlotte's mom turned the wheel to leave the island with young Charlotte in tow, that would explain the ten year discrepancy and would explain why she not only knew what the orchid really was, and why she knew where the well lead to.

this would also explain why she knew to search for evidence of the island in Tunisia!
I'm leaning on Charlotte and mom leaving the island via the wheel and ending up in Tunisia enough years into the future to make it plausible for folks to think she was born in '79.

like Mrs Alpert says here:

Wait a minute...what if, when Charlotte and her mum leave the island, THEY jump into the future...so, Charlotte is 5yo when they leave, but they jump to 1984?? That would explain everything. But of course the new question would be, wtf with time-jumping Charlotte??

That would make sense, I guess... I don't necessarily see it happening any time soon.

BUT, maybe this is the incident...
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 11:05:49 PM
this would also explain why she knew to search for evidence of the island in Tunisia!
I'm leaning on Charlotte and mom leaving the island via the wheel and ending up in Tunisia enough years into the future to make it plausible for folks to think she was born in '79.

like Mrs Alpert says here:
Wait a minute...what if, when Charlotte and her mum leave the island, THEY jump into the future...so, Charlotte is 5yo when they leave, but they jump to 1984?? That would explain everything. But of course the new question would be, wtf with time-jumping Charlotte??
That would make sense, I guess... I don't necessarily see it happening any time soon.

BUT, maybe this is the incident...

I'm glad you guys like my crackpot theory... I like it too.  :) What if the incident does something that scatters a bunch of people off the island & through time? (this is the crackpot part of it, lol!)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 11:12:01 PM
this would also explain why she knew to search for evidence of the island in Tunisia!
I'm leaning on Charlotte and mom leaving the island via the wheel and ending up in Tunisia enough years into the future to make it plausible for folks to think she was born in '79.

like Mrs Alpert says here:
Wait a minute...what if, when Charlotte and her mum leave the island, THEY jump into the future...so, Charlotte is 5yo when they leave, but they jump to 1984?? That would explain everything. But of course the new question would be, wtf with time-jumping Charlotte??
That would make sense, I guess... I don't necessarily see it happening any time soon.

BUT, maybe this is the incident...

I'm glad you guys like my crackpot theory... I like it too.  :) What if the incident does something that scatters a bunch of people off the island & through time? (this is the crackpot part of it, lol!)
A little too crackpot for me... unless it gets Jack, et al back to present time.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 10:54:59 AM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
Thank you.. that was what I meant.  I should've stated it more clearly.  I don't know if he does or doesn't warn her this time but I believe this period of time is the most likely given his current mental state.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
Thank you.. that was what I meant.  I should've stated it more clearly.  I don't know if he does or doesn't warn her this time but I believe this period of time is the most likely given his current mental state.

I think he will warn her. His craziness has to incubate for a little while longer, and finally, after telling himself for months that he won't tell her, he totally snaps, and that's why Charlotte perceives him as a crazy man.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
Thank you.. that was what I meant.  I should've stated it more clearly.  I don't know if he does or doesn't warn her this time but I believe this period of time is the most likely given his current mental state.

I think he will warn her. His craziness has to incubate for a little while longer, and finally, after telling himself for months that he won't tell her, he totally snaps, and that's why Charlotte perceives him as a crazy man.
He'll probably be described that way by mom &/or others.  I'd imagine that a 3yr old (or however old she is) wouldn't necessarily describe an adult that way.  I know my memories from that age aren't that descriptive.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.

speaking of that, does anyone else think that at some point the Dharmaites will accuse Dan of being a pedophile.

I sincerely hope not.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Madam P on March 11, 2009, 10:03:19 AM
What if Charlotte's mom turned the wheel to leave the island with young Charlotte in tow, that would explain the ten year discrepancy and would explain why she not only knew what the orchid really was, and why she knew where the well lead to.

this would also explain why she knew to search for evidence of the island in Tunisia!
I'm leaning on Charlotte and mom leaving the island via the wheel and ending up in Tunisia enough years into the future to make it plausible for folks to think she was born in '79.

like Mrs Alpert says here:

Wait a minute...what if, when Charlotte and her mum leave the island, THEY jump into the future...so, Charlotte is 5yo when they leave, but they jump to 1984?? That would explain everything. But of course the new question would be, wtf with time-jumping Charlotte??

That would make sense, I guess... I don't necessarily see it happening any time soon.

BUT, maybe this is the incident...

You know, that's a very interesting thought.  I need to go back and watch Candle's video where he talks about The Incident.  Think of it... let's say Dharma (in Candle-time) knew there was something freaky-deeky about the well area (obviously they know that, we saw it with the tunnel scene where Daniel was there.)  But they don't know exactly what it is or what the wheel does.  But Somebody knows, and that Somebody tells Charlotte's mom to take Charlotte there and get her off the island.  (Somebody = future Daniel maybe?)  So from Dharma/Candle's perspective, a mother and child go down into the basement of the station and just *poof!* disappear.  If I were Candle, I can see labelling that as "...An Incident" and looking extremely uncomfortable...

Hmmmmm.  Does it work timeline-wise?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 11, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
I thought the incident had something to do with the Swan hatch specifically, or communicating between stations on the computer? Maybe it's more like, our Losties-in-Dharma-Time man all the stations, and use the computers to synchronize a take-over...??
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 11, 2009, 03:06:23 PM
I thought the incident had something to do with the Swan hatch specifically, or communicating between stations on the computer? Maybe it's more like, our Losties-in-Dharma-Time man all the stations, and use the computers to synchronize a take-over...??

I like that. Slight variation though. Perhaps they tell the people in the stations about what the DI is doing, and they stage the take over.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 12, 2009, 02:26:52 AM
I thought the incident had something to do with the Swan hatch specifically, or communicating between stations on the computer? Maybe it's more like, our Losties-in-Dharma-Time man all the stations, and use the computers to synchronize a take-over...??

I like that. Slight variation though. Perhaps they tell the people in the stations about what the DI is doing, and they stage the take over.
Hmmm....this may explain the mysterious edit, but I still think the Incident was some sort of electromagnetic anomaly which led to the entering of the numbers protocol.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 12, 2009, 02:43:30 AM
I thought the incident had something to do with the Swan hatch specifically, or communicating between stations on the computer? Maybe it's more like, our Losties-in-Dharma-Time man all the stations, and use the computers to synchronize a take-over...??
I like that. Slight variation though. Perhaps they tell the people in the stations about what the DI is doing, and they stage the take over.
Hmmm....this may explain the mysterious edit, but I still think the Incident was some sort of electromagnetic anomaly which led to the entering of the numbers protocol.
Maybe I need to rewatch "Orientation"... :-[ I forget things.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 12, 2009, 11:06:03 AM
I thought the incident had something to do with the Swan hatch specifically, or communicating between stations on the computer? Maybe it's more like, our Losties-in-Dharma-Time man all the stations, and use the computers to synchronize a take-over...??
I like that. Slight variation though. Perhaps they tell the people in the stations about what the DI is doing, and they stage the take over.
Hmmm....this may explain the mysterious edit, but I still think the Incident was some sort of electromagnetic anomaly which led to the entering of the numbers protocol.
Maybe I need to rewatch "Orientation"... :-[ I forget things.

PL- The incident is most deffinitely something involving the electromagnet, that's not even a question (to me anyway), but the Orientation video (transcript on link)...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Swan_orientation#Transcript

Says that using the computer to contact the outside world could lead to another incident. I'm thinking that someone probably plants a seed of doubt in the DI, and they then try to contact the outside world, but either can't, or are convinced that letting the incident occur is a good idea.

Mrs. Alpert- Just read the transcript on the link of all you need is a memory jog.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 12, 2009, 01:07:39 PM
Gotcha.  Thanks for the clarification.  I can see it going down like that!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 12, 2009, 04:56:31 PM
I just had a thought, what if the little red haired girl is not Charlotte but Harper, you know the psychologist from The Other Woman. Maybe she is Charlotte's older sister. Her last name in the episode was Stanhope, but that was because she was married to Goodwin.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 13, 2009, 01:22:22 PM
I just had a thought, what if the little red haired girl is not Charlotte but Harper, you know the psychologist from The Other Woman. Maybe she is Charlotte's older sister. Her last name in the episode was Stanhope, but that was because she was married to Goodwin.

As far as the difference in how old she looks and how old she really is goes, I'm with you that the little girl might not be Charlotte, but I think we're in the minority there.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: norville on March 13, 2009, 02:01:04 PM
I'm not sure which theory to favor -- the "timeline/production mistake" theory, the "radically falsified birth date to conceal birth on the island" theory, or the "escaped the island to tunisia via time travel" theory.  All seem rather implausible to me.

However, I did want to point out that escaping the island to Tunisia does not necessarily mean that Charlotte (and her mother) turned the donkey wheel.  That is, unless you believe that at some point in history, a Dharma polar bear climbed down into that same chamber and turned the donkey wheel -- with its teeth?  I dunno.  But at any rate, I think the polar bear in Tunisia is sufficient evidence that there are other ways to travel off the island rather than exactly the way Ben and Locke did it.

Perhaps it was possible to travel to Tunisia using the chamber in the Orchid station -- the one Ben destroyed to get to the donkey wheel?  Or perhaps there are other special locations on the island that can also cause the same effect -- now I'm thinking about the polar bear cave from which Locke pulled Eko in "Further Instructions" in season 3...
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Madam P on March 13, 2009, 04:02:03 PM
However, I did want to point out that escaping the island to Tunisia does not necessarily mean that Charlotte (and her mother) turned the donkey wheel.  That is, unless you believe that at some point in history, a Dharma polar bear climbed down into that same chamber and turned the donkey wheel -- with its teeth?  I dunno.  But at any rate, I think the polar bear in Tunisia is sufficient evidence that there are other ways to travel off the island rather than exactly the way Ben and Locke did it.


I assumed that the Dharma polar bear was an experiment -- they harnessed it to the donkey wheel like you would harness... well, ... a donkey.  (Seems sort of like belling a cat, though;  if I were the person assigned to do the harnessing, I think I'd prefer using a donkey for the experiment rather than a polar bear that might object to the harness, but hey...)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 13, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.

ok is this just me... but did nobody else notice that Dan wasnt in 1977. I mean we see Sawyer, Miles, Jin and Juliet... but where did dan go?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 13, 2009, 07:52:37 PM
No, I think what shakey was saying was, this would have been the time frame that Charlotte described as the time he told her to not leave the island but he passed it up this time. When she died he said he wasn't going to say anything to her when it happeneds again and he didn't but that would have been the moment he did if he did.
I doubt it. He has three years to talk with her. I think he's going to watch her for a while, then finally tell her.

ok is this just me... but did nobody else notice that Dan wasnt in 1977. I mean we see Sawyer, Miles, Jin and Juliet... but where did dan go?

I mentioned this in another thread, and was reminded that we did see him, In the season premier, working in the Orchid and bumping into Pierre Chang.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Madam P on March 13, 2009, 08:34:44 PM
We don't know for sure that that was 1977, though, do we?   That could've been a time when he "flashed" some other time.

My theory was that Daniel was locked up in some "quiet place" with men in white jumpsuits to look after him.  He looked to me like he was ready to go over the edge when he saw Charlotte.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: MangoBingo on March 14, 2009, 06:55:08 AM
We don't know for sure that that was 1977, though, do we?

My theory was that Daniel was locked up in some "quiet place" with men in white jumpsuits to look after him.  He looked to me like he was ready to go over the edge when he saw Charlotte.

Hmmm... That might be why he was looking so cagey when disguised as part of the Orchid construction crew. He could have escaped from a DHARMA psychiatric ward.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: lostandfree on March 14, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
I just had a thought, what if the little red haired girl is not Charlotte but Harper, you know the psychologist from The Other Woman. Maybe she is Charlotte's older sister. Her last name in the episode was Stanhope, but that was because she was married to Goodwin.

As far as the difference in how old she looks and how old she really is goes, I'm with you that the little girl might not be Charlotte, but I think we're in the minority there.

I was thinking at first that the little girl might not be Charlotte and was just another little red haired girl, but the little girl was speaking Korean, which I think was to show us that it was Charlotte, unless they did that to trick us and there are a whole bunch of people who speak Korean.  But I don't think so.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 14, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
I didn't hear her say anything let alone say something in Korean!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 14, 2009, 06:52:01 PM
I heard her say mommy in a british accent, which shouldn't it be mummy?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: LostinLock on March 14, 2009, 07:32:07 PM
"Iím not allowed to have chocolate before dinner... mm...."

Creepiest line in the history of LOST. *shudder*

My ten year-old niece, Sophie, kept saying this to me on Friday evening. She was affecting a Verruca Salt voice as she did it. It was really weird and annoying!!!

(http://standanddeliver.blogs.com/dombo/wonveruca.jpg)

Is this not the annoying child who ended up as a giant blueberry.  Never cared for her character and I am sorry your niece was annoying. I would have offered her some Jaffa cakes and said off with you child ;D or Cadbury
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 14, 2009, 08:33:35 PM
yeah, the girl's name is Veruca Salt, just like the band.

Every time I hear Jaffa cakes, I think of Spaced.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 14, 2009, 09:38:29 PM
"Iím not allowed to have chocolate before dinner... mm...."

Creepiest line in the history of LOST. *shudder*

My ten year-old niece, Sophie, kept saying this to me on Friday evening. She was affecting a Verruca Salt voice as she did it. It was really weird and annoying!!!

(http://standanddeliver.blogs.com/dombo/wonveruca.jpg)

Is this not the annoying child who ended up as a giant blueberry.  Never cared for her character and I am sorry your niece was annoying. I would have offered her some Jaffa cakes and said off with you child ;D or Cadbury
Veruca was the "bad egg."  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7nG3KvZDA&feature=related
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Harry Erickson on March 15, 2009, 04:24:36 AM
Maybe she left the island on 1979, to keep it a secret they said she was born then, or maybe it isnt 1974 whenever they are, or maybe that isnt charlotte and he's gonna threaten the wrong girl
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 15, 2009, 04:27:38 AM
Maybe she left the island on 1979, to keep it a secret they said she was born then, or maybe it isnt 1974 whenever they are, or maybe that isnt charlotte and he's gonna threaten the wrong girl

It has to be Charlotte.  I would bet my right arm...and I'm a righty!  ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: MangoBingo on March 15, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
I looooove Jaffa Cakes.

(http://www.irelandclick.com/blog/food_and_drink/uploaded_images/jaffa-cakes-771190.jpg)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 16, 2009, 01:21:58 PM

(http://standanddeliver.blogs.com/dombo/wonveruca.jpg)

Is this not the annoying child who ended up as a giant blueberry.  Never cared for her character and I am sorry your niece was annoying. I would have offered her some Jaffa cakes and said off with you child ;D or Cadbury

No, this...

(http://www.codehappy.net/mimage/wonka009.jpg)

Is the girl that turns into the Blueberry. Violet Beauregarde
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: MangoBingo on March 16, 2009, 03:54:58 PM
Verucca Salt ended up falling down the chute for "bad eggs". lol
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 16, 2009, 04:04:11 PM
Maybe she left the island on 1979, to keep it a secret they said she was born then, or maybe it isnt 1974 whenever they are, or maybe that isnt charlotte and he's gonna threaten the wrong girl

It has to be Charlotte.  I would bet my right arm...and I'm a righty!  ;)

Ya im pretty sure its Little miss lewis as well... why this late in the game do they introduce a little red headed brittish girl who catches Dans eye, and NOT have it go with the flow of the story... and i think dan is smart enough to at least ask the girls name before he "threatens" her in case of mistake. i also heard this is how Charlotte learns korean ... through Jin. interesting...
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 16, 2009, 04:46:54 PM
Maybe she left the island on 1979, to keep it a secret they said she was born then, or maybe it isnt 1974 whenever they are, or maybe that isnt charlotte and he's gonna threaten the wrong girl

It has to be Charlotte.  I would bet my right arm...and I'm a righty!  ;)

Ya im pretty sure its Little miss lewis as well... why this late in the game do they introduce a little red headed brittish girl who catches Dans eye, and NOT have it go with the flow of the story... and i think dan is smart enough to at least ask the girls name before he "threatens" her in case of mistake. i also heard this is how Charlotte learns korean ... through Jin. interesting...

I kind of agree that it would be a mistake to "introduce" her if she's meaningless, but I stray off when you say he would ask her name. He doesn't seem to be in the right thinking frame of mind, and apparently she was already speaking in Korean. Sure Jin could help her understand more, but I don't think this is how she learns it.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 16, 2009, 05:32:27 PM
can some one please , tell me when we see that little girl speak Korean? I still can't find it.  ???
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 16, 2009, 05:36:43 PM
can some one please , tell me when we see that little girl speak Korean? I still can't find it.  ???
I never saw her speak Korean either.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 16, 2009, 05:39:58 PM
Me either. We see her for like 5 seconds.  ::) wt...
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 16, 2009, 09:10:40 PM
can some one please , tell me when we see that little girl speak Korean? I still can't find it.  ???
she does not, I think someone was mistaken.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: vickilynn on March 16, 2009, 10:31:59 PM
can some one please , tell me when we see that little girl speak Korean? I still can't find it.  ???
she does not, I think someone was mistaken.
I think they were getting mixed up with when the adult Charlotte speaks Korean, maybe?
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
I will say that it might not be Korean, but operating under the theory that it might be Charlotte, you can clearly hear her saying something in a foreign language before she says mommy. It seemed real obvious to me, the first time I watched it I said, "Is she speaking Korean??"

http://fep.abc.go.com/fep/player?src=abccomjs&show=93372&pn=index

Time stamp is 25:38 that you first hear her speak. Now I don't speak Korean at all, but what ever it is that she is saying, sounds like an Asian language to me. It is very possible that she is saying nothing more than childish gibberish, but it sounds like there is more structure to it than that.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 17, 2009, 11:37:08 AM
Just sounded like an English accent to me. I am sure she ends up learning Korean from Jin and he did not have time to teach it to her yet. They had just arrived.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2009, 12:10:27 PM
Doesn't sound like any english words to me, but as usual when we have dissenting opinions, we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: lostandfree on March 17, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
I think I was the one who first mentioned she was speaking Korean.  I could be wrong, but it did sound like a foreign Asian language.  It is when the camera is on Dan and we start to hear a little girl speaking in the background.  We don't see her yet, we only hear her.  Of course it could be jibberish.  It was only for a second.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 17, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Doesn't sound like any english words to me, but as usual when we have dissenting opinions, we'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, but, you remember things that never happened, too.  Soooooo....   ;D
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 17, 2009, 03:52:55 PM
I think I was the one who first mentioned she was speaking Korean.  I could be wrong, but it did sound like a foreign Asian language.  It is when the camera is on Dan and we start to hear a little girl speaking in the background.  We don't see her yet, we only hear her.  Of course it could be jibberish.  It was only for a second.

I didn't realize she was speaking before the camera was on her!!!! I went to the point (25:38 ) that bobx said and I hear what you are talking about! I think I'll try to use close caption ,sometimes if they are speaking another language it will say it. If it is then good catch lostandfree! if not then at least we had fun figuring it out.  ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
Doesn't sound like any english words to me, but as usual when we have dissenting opinions, we'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, but, you remember things that never happened, too.  Soooooo....   ;D

No, everything I remember happened at one point, it might not have happened on the show, but it happened.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 17, 2009, 04:00:55 PM
I believe shakey is referring to the infamous Lepidus childhood story I presume!?! lol  :D
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
I believe shakey is referring to the infamous Lepidus childhood story I presume!?! lol  :D

I'm assuming as much as well at this point, BUT, you can't prove that didn't happen to someone at some point, so therefore, my logic is bulletproof.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 17, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
ah, ha ha I got ya! your too funny  :D !
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2009, 04:26:25 PM
ah, ha ha I got ya! your too funny  :D !

I try.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 19, 2009, 08:26:27 AM
I believe shakey is referring to the infamous Lepidus childhood story I presume!?! lol  :D

I'm assuming as much as well at this point, BUT, you can't prove that didn't happen to someone at some point, so therefore, my logic is bulletproof.
Conceded.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 19, 2009, 10:20:52 AM
I believe shakey is referring to the infamous Lepidus childhood story I presume!?! lol  :D

I'm assuming as much as well at this point, BUT, you can't prove that didn't happen to someone at some point, so therefore, my logic is bulletproof.
Conceded.

I love how grown up we can all be when we're all being completely ridiculous. LOL
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 19, 2009, 12:27:02 PM
I believe shakey is referring to the infamous Lepidus childhood story I presume!?! lol  :D

I'm assuming as much as well at this point, BUT, you can't prove that didn't happen to someone at some point, so therefore, my logic is bulletproof.
Conceded.

I love how grown up we can all be when we're all being completely ridiculous. LOL
I'm all about logic.  I could've argued further if you'd restricted your memory to the show, but, you didn't so I had to concede since I can't say that you don't remember this from some other experience in your life.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 19, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
If you consider the official lost podcast to be spoilery, than don't read this

Darlton was asked a question about the timeline of Charlottes age with here appearing as a little girl in 1977 vs. Ben's statement that she was born in 1979, and apparently the 79 thing was an ad lib because the character was originally written as older and being born in 1970, and Rebecca Mader not realizing that they would be time traveling next season, said off camera that she was born in 1979, so on set the line was changed, and the writers missed the connection in the editing phase.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 19, 2009, 04:36:29 PM
If you consider the official lost podcast to be spoilery, than don't read this

Darlton was asked a question about the timeline of Charlottes age with here appearing as a little girl in 1977 vs. Ben's statement that she was born in 1979, and apparently the 79 thing was an ad lib because the character was originally written as older and being born in 1970, and Rebecca Mader not realizing that they would be time traveling next season, said off camera that she was born in 1979, so on set the line was changed, and the writers missed the connection in the editing phase.
That answers that!  I don't see how that's considered a spoiler, but I'm sure that many appreciate your caution. :)

Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 19, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
If you consider the official lost podcast to be spoilery, than don't read this

Darlton was asked a question about the timeline of Charlottes age with here appearing as a little girl in 1977 vs. Ben's statement that she was born in 1979, and apparently the 79 thing was an ad lib because the character was originally written as older and being born in 1970, and Rebecca Mader not realizing that they would be time traveling next season, said off camera that she was born in 1979, so on set the line was changed, and the writers missed the connection in the editing phase.
That answers that!  I don't see how that's considered a spoiler, but I'm sure that many appreciate your caution. :)


I agree with PL. :)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 19, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
well it dismisses a lot of speculation about the character.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 19, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
Hi everyone.

I am going to do something unusual here but I am doing it for two reasons.

a) I started the topic and asked the question.

b) I do not consider this a spoiler at all. This is just an explanation of a production error.

In the abc podcast posted today. They producers explain the difference of the year of birth for Charlotte. It was explained that Rebbecca Mader herself changed the date because she did not want to be thought of as older than she is. The producers missed it in editing. They said it was an acceptable error.  Charlotte was born in 1970 and would of been 4 when Daniel saw her. There is no issue with the dates, just a mistake.

Again, I do not consider this a spoiler because it is not suppose to be an issue on the show and it is not going to affect anything in the future. It is just a clarification of a mistake that was made during production. There are many of these in most all shows and movies.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 19, 2009, 11:48:55 PM
thanks juggy, i wasnt sure what to do with the info.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 20, 2009, 12:07:20 AM
I hope I do not upset anyone, but it is not suppose to be a mystery so it should be cleared up.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 20, 2009, 12:47:44 AM
I hope I do not upset anyone, but it is not suppose to be a mystery so it should be cleared up.

Not a spoiler, thanks Juggy--appreciate it! :)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 20, 2009, 02:05:43 AM
*PHEW*  One mystery solved......598,362 to go. ::)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 20, 2009, 03:37:14 AM
I agree, that's not a spoiler . It's a fact that we would need to better understand what we are talking about.  So we can make educated theories.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 20, 2009, 08:22:49 AM
I agree, that's not a spoiler . It's a fact that we would need to better understand what we are talking about.  So we can make educated theories.
Right.  And, as PL implied, we have enough mysteries without debating phantom mysteries.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2009, 04:57:47 PM
Sooooooooo, dead thread??
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 20, 2009, 05:12:05 PM
I guess so
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2009, 05:34:28 PM
We have gathered here today to mourn the loss of a dear thread, "Charlotte Should not be born". Although it was not a long life, she did make many friends who had much to say about her, only to be brought down in the prime of her life by a simple production error. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Requiem and terra pax, and so forth, Amen.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: MangoBingo on March 20, 2009, 05:56:14 PM
We have gathered here today to mourn the loss of a dear thread, "Charlotte Should not be born". Although it was not a long life, she did make many friends who had much to say about her, only to be brought down in the prime of her life by a simple production error. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Requiem and terra pax, and so forth, Amen.

It'll be reincarnated one day, via the resurrecting power of the almighty God of Geekdom Lord Retcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon).
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 20, 2009, 06:07:55 PM
We have gathered here today to mourn the loss of a dear thread, "Charlotte Should not be born". Although it was not a long life, she did make many friends who had much to say about her, only to be brought down in the prime of her life by a simple production error. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Requiem and terra pax, and so forth, Amen.
rofl  You threw off my LOST groove again!







Clear the mechanism.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 20, 2009, 06:09:12 PM
*waits with a shovel*  ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: opgelost on March 21, 2009, 09:00:18 AM
Charlotte will show up again. Her body is gone, like Christian's, Yemi's and Charlie's.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Shakey on March 23, 2009, 09:16:10 AM
Charlotte will show up again. Her body is gone, like Christian's, Yemi's and Charlie's.
I don't think it's like them.  They flashed to a different time.. Charlotte's body did not.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 23, 2009, 09:37:32 PM
I think everyone is reading too much into the body of Charlotte thing, they simply probably didn't want to pay Rebecca Mader to play dead for a scene, so they added a line of dialog to explain it in the universe.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 24, 2009, 10:16:17 AM
Here is the official explanation about the age discrepancy. The producers now admit it is their fault.

 http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 24, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 24, 2009, 01:39:56 PM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.
Enhanced only by your need to break it down for us like that. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 24, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
So then "what happened isn't what happened" ?!  lol  ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 24, 2009, 04:28:49 PM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.

omg....rofl...
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 24, 2009, 04:37:09 PM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.
Enhanced only by your need to break it down for us like that. ;) ;D

I figured it would be such an in joke, I would have to. LOL
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 24, 2009, 04:38:37 PM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.
Enhanced only by your need to break it down for us like that. ;) ;D

I figured it would be such an in joke, I would have to. LOL

I would appreciate it if you broke down a joke every now-and-again, just so we can remember this. lol
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 24, 2009, 06:46:43 PM
speaking of this thread being dead

http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/lost/trouble-on-the-island-deceased-lost-beauty-accuses-former-bosses-of-cover-up
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 24, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
Wow! I can't believe this soap opera -ish stuff going on over this! lol thanks for that Hyper
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 24, 2009, 07:14:37 PM
lol wow.....draaaaaaammmmmmaaaa....
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 24, 2009, 07:15:40 PM
Is it safe to say we wont be seeing the older charlotte on the show anymore? ! lol
Title: Charlotte's real age!
Post by: tonysee200x on March 24, 2009, 09:30:46 PM
Breaking news on the whole Charlotte's age controversy. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html)

I was not sure where to post this and I did not want people to miss it so I started a new topic. Now we just need them to clear up Ethan's age. Actually until I read this I was starting to think the two were related and connected with some time travel thing happening  ::)
>>>

'Lost' exclusive: War erupts over Charlotte's real age!

Mar 23, 2009, 09:34 PM | by Michael Ausiello

Categories: Lost

Rebeccamader_lAn ugly dispute between Rebecca Mader and her former Lost bosses over the correct age of her late character, Charlotte, appears to have been settled. Thanks, in part, to, well, me.

But first, let's flash back to the most recent Lost podcast, during which exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse -- in attempting to explain how Faraday could have seen a young Charlotte in 1974 when she wasn't born until 1979 -- alleged that Mader changed the age of her character from 28 to 37 in an earlier script "because she did not really want to brand herself as 37, which is what she would have had to been had we stuck to the initial script."

Mader fired back on her Facebook page, accusing Team Darlton of throwing her under the bus. "The timeline error was their mistake," she harrumphed, "and they are making it out to be my fault. Not cool."

Reached for comment this evening, D&C now concede that they got their facts wrong. "Rebecca is absolutely right and we apologize to both her and the entire fan community for screwing up the story," the pair said in a joint email. "By way of explanation, here's what happened:

There were a gazillion questions about the timeline discrepancy in that young Charlotte clearly exists in 1974, but wasn't supposed to be born until 1979, per a single line of dialogue courtesy of Ben back in episode #402. When we inquired as to how this happened, the intel came back that we used Rebecca Mader's birthday, July 2, 1979 because she was actually eight years YOUNGER than the character as originally conceived/scripted. We misremembered this as having come from Rebecca herself on the set, but in fact, it came several days earlier when our continuity expert Gregg Nations pointed it out and suggested using Rebecca's actual birthday for Charlotte. And so, the mistake was OURS. Rebecca's production draft DID have the date as being 1979.

Our first mistake was the timeline gaffe, but the much more significant one was wrapping Rebecca up in this when she had nothing to do with it. Not her fault on any level. It was our bad. One hundred percent. We will say as much in a very special "Eating Crow" edition of our Podcast tomorrow. Speaking of which, what a wonderful world we live in where we can make a comment in a Podcast that triggers a response on someone's Facebook page and that triggers a mea culpa on someone else's blog. Ah, technology."

I'm glad that's settled.
Title: Re: Charlotte's real age!
Post by: Novashannon on March 24, 2009, 09:44:37 PM
Good to know.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 24, 2009, 10:56:22 PM
ummmm, scroll up 4 posts, that is exactly what I posted, only I just put the link. ???
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: tonysee200x on March 24, 2009, 11:23:58 PM
ummmm, scroll up 4 posts, that is exactly what I posted, only I just put the link. ???

Ya, sorry about that.  I posted in under the Namaste and they moved it. I didn't look here for it, but figured no one would see it if I posted it here.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 24, 2009, 11:39:37 PM
But I posted it 6 before you!!1
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: E.S.B. on March 25, 2009, 12:25:02 AM
Wow, I guess we won't be seeing Ms. Mader returning for a guest-spot any time soon!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 25, 2009, 01:44:04 AM
yeah hyperform posted the link.  when I read it I couldn't believe this happened and the drama it caused!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 25, 2009, 03:54:21 AM
I really hope it all gets resolved and doesn't hurt any further storyline that they might need her for.  Got to be careful who you sever ties with.  I wonder how far that apology will go with her...from her statement, she seemed really mad.  I thought the retraction was a little weak sauce.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on March 25, 2009, 08:18:55 AM
retcon


<giggle> never heard of that before - excellent, a plan B!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 25, 2009, 10:59:17 AM
I think that as long as she's gone, we're better off. I wasn't a big fan of her in the first place from that look she had on her effin face when she first landed on the island, and then she spoke, and that did her in as far as I'm concerned. The age thing was a bit of a mystery, but now that it is over and done with, I'm glad we won't be seeing her anymore...I hope.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 25, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
I got the impression they are covering for her. They took the hit. I believe the original story that she changed the date or at least put up a big stink about it. THey are taking the blame just to be nice.
Title: TPTB Officially Messed Up
Post by: JBRam on March 25, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if you've seen this yet: http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/lost/trouble-on-the-island-deceased-lost-beauty-accuses-former-bosses-of-cover-up

So we have confirmation of two things: the little girl WAS supposed to be Charlotte, and TPTB are not infallible.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 25, 2009, 02:50:35 PM
You are only the 4th or 5th to start this idea. We have covered it!!!
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 25, 2009, 04:29:45 PM
You are only the 4th or 5th to start this idea. We have covered it!!!

Calm your self man. Was it really necesarry to put that third exclamation point on there?? I mean 2, sure, but three, that's a little over the line.

Remember when I made my little Eulogy about the thread?? I kind of assumed you would have locked it.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 25, 2009, 06:02:25 PM
I got the impression they are covering for her. They took the hit. I believe the original story that she changed the date or at least put up a big stink about it. THey are taking the blame just to be nice.

Michael Emerson backed her up, and said it was in his script too, so unless it's a conspiracy, I think she is correct. She maybe over reacted, but is correct none the less.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 25, 2009, 08:20:46 PM
Hyper, can you point me in the direction of that interview with Michael Emerson, you know how I like to hear his interview's :)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: jugdish on March 25, 2009, 09:23:09 PM
You are only the 4th or 5th to start this idea. We have covered it!!!

Calm your self man. Was it really necesarry to put that third exclamation point on there?? I mean 2, sure, but three, that's a little over the line.

Remember when I made my little Eulogy about the thread?? I kind of assumed you would have locked it.

You are correct. I overreacted with that third exclamtion point.

(but JB was the third person to start a thread on the same topic already covered and I have to keep merging them and then I don't have time to just relax and read others post. Then I never got the rating summary done this week and i feel guilty about that and  ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: hyperform on March 26, 2009, 04:00:27 AM
Hyper, can you point me in the direction of that interview with Michael Emerson, you know how I like to hear his interview's :)

I don't remember exactly where I read that now ???
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 04:02:28 AM
ok, not a problem. thanks anyway  ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 26, 2009, 10:57:27 AM
You are only the 4th or 5th to start this idea. We have covered it!!!

Calm your self man. Was it really necesarry to put that third exclamation point on there?? I mean 2, sure, but three, that's a little over the line.

Remember when I made my little Eulogy about the thread?? I kind of assumed you would have locked it.

You are correct. I overreacted with that third exclamtion point.

(but JB was the third person to start a thread on the same topic already covered and I have to keep merging them and then I don't have time to just relax and read others post. Then I never got the rating summary done this week and i feel guilty about that and  ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Oh, well then, exclaim away.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 26, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
You are only the 4th or 5th to start this idea. We have covered it!!!

Calm your self man. Was it really necesarry to put that third exclamation point on there?? I mean 2, sure, but three, that's a little over the line.

Remember when I made my little Eulogy about the thread?? I kind of assumed you would have locked it.

You are correct. I overreacted with that third exclamtion point.

(but JB was the third person to start a thread on the same topic already covered and I have to keep merging them and then I don't have time to just relax and read others post. Then I never got the rating summary done this week and i feel guilty about that and  ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The fact that it was JB bumped it to a 3 exclamation point vent.  There, there, Juggers.  ((((( :-* )))))
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: LostinLock on March 29, 2009, 10:21:34 AM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.

Oh Bobx!!!  Wow this really took on a life of it's own.  I just wrote that there are continuity issues on the show!  So this confirms it once again. 
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on March 30, 2009, 10:40:10 AM
Sooooo, I guess "dead thread doesn't mean dead thread".

LOL, you see what I did there?? I took the title of an upcoming episode of LOST (A show we all enjoy), and made it relevant to the topic at hand, While simultaneously tying it into a comment I made earlier in the thread. Man, that was some good old fashioned humor.

Oh Bobx!!!  Wow this really took on a life of it's own.  I just wrote that there are continuity issues on the show!  So this confirms it once again. 

You're welcome??

Please explain that further. LOL, I really think you lost me on that one.
Title: Re: Charlotte Should not be born yet.
Post by: BobBX542 on May 13, 2009, 10:47:01 AM
When Swayer flashback, it is 1977, 3years later, Daniel went to that island.
at that time, Charlotte had been 1 year;s old so she can sit on the swing and listen to Daniel.
isn't it normal?

Huh?? Sentence structure and punctuation are key to making sense.