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Title: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: CrashandCari on March 05, 2009, 12:21:12 AM
Now I figured they were going to throw Saywer and Juliet together and I wasn't sure I liked the idea but after watching tonight's episode I have to say I really do like them together.  Their relationship shows a certain maturity to it than the ones they "had" with Kate and Jack.  Being together for 3 years gave them an opportunity to really grow to love each other and you saw that in the tenderness in the scenes.  As much as I was a Sawyer-Kate fan I kind of want Saywer to stay with Juliet now that Kate's back.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Optimus J on March 05, 2009, 12:26:02 AM
So, you want to Ben to try to Kill James out of jealousy?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: E.S.B. on March 05, 2009, 12:27:25 AM
What I really loved about what we saw tonight was that Sawyer seemed like he was all grown up.  He showed that he has matured and grown as a character more than any of our original castaways.  Could you ever imagine him in a serious relationship like that?  He told her Juliet that he loved her!!  And he did it almost matter-of-factly, as if this has been serious for a while!

On top of that, he was acting like such a leader tonight - taking control of the situation when they first realized they were stuck in the 70's, becoming a security boss for Dharma, having a strong relationship with Goodspeed and actually was giving him advice and offering wisdom.  We saw some serious character growth tonight.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: firemanandlostfan on March 05, 2009, 12:29:49 AM
Best episode ever I think!  Sawyer was amazing in this episode
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: CrashandCari on March 05, 2009, 12:30:32 AM
So, you want to Ben to try to Kill James out of jealousy?

NOOOOO
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: CrashandCari on March 05, 2009, 12:31:47 AM
What I really loved about what we saw tonight was that Sawyer seemed like he was all grown up.  He showed that he has matured and grown as a character more than any of our original castaways.  Could you ever imagine him in a serious relationship like that?  He told her Juliet that he loved her!!  And he did it almost matter-of-factly, as if this has been serious for a while!

On top of that, he was acting like such a leader tonight - taking control of the situation when they first realized they were stuck in the 70's, becoming a security boss for Dharma, having a strong relationship with Goodspeed and actually was giving him advice and offering wisdom.  We saw some serious character growth tonight.

yea thats what i mean hes a in a grownup real relationship probably for the first time in his life... have to say made him even more sexier if that was possible... just wish his hair looked better lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 12:32:31 AM
Yeah, I think he's better off with Juliet.  I hope Kate makes a pass at him and he says "get off me, whore!"  I made a joke about how Sawyer would kill Jack and them to keep their secret since he's basically been with Dharma and Juliet and Jin and them for 3 years, way longer than he ever even knew Kate and Jack and Hurley and anyone else.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: WG?JIFFY on March 05, 2009, 12:36:38 AM
I am so ready to see the scene where Juliette and Kate
meet again after 3 yrs.

AAAWWWWKKKKWWWAAARRRDDDD!!!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Lion of Atreides on March 05, 2009, 01:06:49 AM
What I really loved about what we saw tonight was that Sawyer seemed like he was all grown up.  He showed that he has matured and grown as a character more than any of our original castaways.  Could you ever imagine him in a serious relationship like that?  He told her Juliet that he loved her!!  And he did it almost matter-of-factly, as if this has been serious for a while!

On top of that, he was acting like such a leader tonight - taking control of the situation when they first realized they were stuck in the 70's, becoming a security boss for Dharma, having a strong relationship with Goodspeed and actually was giving him advice and offering wisdom.  We saw some serious character growth tonight.

This is dead on.  I remember last season a comment that Sawyer's character was all played out.  I'm glad they found a new direction for James.  And who would've thought that such a touching episode would revolve around the maturation of Sawyer?

I'm also glad for Juliet.  A cruel ex-husband, a married man, then a man using her to provoke jealousy in his true love... it's about time she had someone who could focus on her.  Let's hope that James show his nobility and doesn't become conflicted by the return of Freckles.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 02:34:03 AM
as long as they dont muddy the waters too much with the return of Kate, I think I have a new relationship to actually give a crap about besides Penny and Des, I really like the two of them together, whatever differences they have seem to offset them in the other. Plus I still believe that Kate is carrying Jack's child.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 03:07:01 AM
I never thought Sawyer was played out.  I always new this was the natural direction for his character.  In fact, I expected it ever since the first season.  Let's see if Jack tries to take Sawyer's crown away like last time (season 3?)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Chuckie on March 05, 2009, 03:15:37 AM

 just wish his hair looked better lol

My irl LOST buddy said he looked like Sawyer Hanson. I decided the problem with his hair is 70's hair products. Especially the kind that come in black and white generic jugs that read "DHARMA HAIR PRODUCT"
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 03:35:55 AM
I was just telling KoKo that the DI spends all this money on time-traveling bunnies, but forgets to budget in a decent hairdresser. Oh, well. If Sawyer wanted a snazzy haircut he should have joined Team Other. Richard could have pointed him in the right direction.

As for Juliet/Sawyer... I just didn't feel any chemistry. Even when they told each other, "I love you"...it was...stale. Poor Koko had a stronger reaction, though. I'm sure she'll be on here tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 03:40:02 AM
Nah, I'm a guy and I don't care about the romance crap, but I thought Sawyer and Juliet's relationship was a lot more believable than Jack and Kate ever was.  Maybe because they let us fill in the blanks between those three years ourselves.  Juliet always seems a bit hesitant about being all affectionate but Sawyer's feelings for her were pretty evident and well-portrayed.  Josh Holloway continues to excel on this show.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 04:41:59 AM
I was just telling KoKo that the DI spends all this money on time-traveling bunnies, but forgets to budget in a decent hairdresser. Oh, well. If Sawyer wanted a snazzy haircut he should have joined Team Other. Richard could have pointed him in the right direction.

As for Juliet/Sawyer... I just didn't feel any chemistry. Even when they told each other, "I love you"...it was...stale. Poor Koko had a stronger reaction, though. I'm sure she'll be on here tomorrow.

KoKo will be ALL OVER this thread with her opinions!  :D
I'm in a total agreement with the lack of chemistry--just doesn't sit right....

Plus....I STILL don't trust Juliet at all.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 05:13:33 AM
KoKo will be ALL OVER this thread with her opinions!  :D
I'm in a total agreement with the lack of chemistry--just doesn't sit right....

Plus....I STILL don't trust Juliet at all.

I don't trust Juliet either.... and Maxor, I agree that Josh did a great job, and that Sawyer seemed true in his affection, but Juliet...I don't think she's grown as much as he has. I still think she's hiding a lot from him. And after 3 years? Hmmmm...makes me wonder. I want to know what she knows!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 05:15:32 AM
I trust her.  I haven't seen any reason not to since she told Jack about Ben's plans.  I think you two are just impossible to please with her.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 05:23:15 AM
I trust her.  I haven't seen any reason not to since she told Jack about Ben's plans.  I think you two are just impossible to please with her.

Or are you having the wool pulled over your eyes?  Hmmm?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 05:26:56 AM
Maybe it's the way she stares and blinks and smirks....like she knows something no one else does, and feels empowered by it. And now she loves Sawyer??? It just felt way too fast! I missed too much in those 3 years they kept skipping over.

Though they do probably deserve each other. They both know how to lie really well. I think Sawyer's using his powers for good, whereas with Juliet....she's still morally ambiguous.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: opgelost on March 05, 2009, 06:53:48 AM
KoKo will be ALL OVER this thread with her opinions!  :D
I'm in a total agreement with the lack of chemistry--just doesn't sit right....

Plus....I STILL don't trust Juliet at all.

I don't trust Juliet either.... and Maxor, I agree that Josh did a great job, and that Sawyer seemed true in his affection, but Juliet...I don't think she's grown as much as he has. I still think she's hiding a lot from him. And after 3 years? Hmmmm...makes me wonder. I want to know what she knows!

She didn't leave with the sub and stayed on the island for another 3 years for Sawyer.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 05, 2009, 07:29:23 AM
I love Sawyer and Juliet together...

Now, for the three years they've been together: I thought the three years OFF the island didn't seem like that long ON the island? Help, I'm confused! Three years passed on the island (Amy's husband died, then she and Horace got together...and Horace asked Sawyer if he thought it was possible for Amy to love him since it's only been three years)...but I thought time was different on the island than off.

My post is more confusing than the concept, I'm sure!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: getting away to lost on March 05, 2009, 09:40:58 AM
I love Sawyer and Juliet together too!

Their relationship had three years to grow and mature into a real relationship while Sawyer and Kate just had the hots for each other.

I hope Sawyer tells Kate to take a hike. Kate made her choice when she left the island. The only reason Kate is coming back to the island is because she has nothing left after losing Aaron. I think Kate liked the fun of having two men fighting over her. For Kate if she goes back she knows she has Jack because he is going with her and Sawyer is just a bonus.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: bfth on March 05, 2009, 10:09:42 AM
Sawyer has certainly evolved over the course of the series.

I think what he and Juliet have is real.  Why else would she stay for 3 years?  She finally had her chance to "go back" (after 2 weeks) and instead chose to stay on the island (and be a mechanic???).  Sawyer has given her something she never had before.  A man who loves her and believes in her.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 05, 2009, 10:18:07 AM
I hope Sawyer doesn't dump Juliette for Kate.  Sawyer has grown during those 3 years, but I don't see the same growth with Kate.  Yes, she seemed to raise Aaron just fine, but she still falls back to old habits of ducking and running.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostfan777 on March 05, 2009, 10:22:53 AM
I just read through this whole thread and no one has mentioned that Sawyer got the call from Jin...and LIED to Juliet to run off to see Kate (Oh, yeah, and Hurley, Jack, etc.).  He didn't say, "Hey, our friends are back, let's go see them", just, "It's Jin, I gotta go".  Same old Sawyer (not that I don't love the character!).
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Kinuvia on March 05, 2009, 11:24:15 AM
Something I was thinking about last night regarding Sawyer, Juliet, Jack and Kate was that Sawyer and Juliet have had 3 years together to form a bond and a relationship.  In fact someone else here mentioned basically the same thing (I read way too many threads and posts to remember who said what - sorry!). Those that were stuck in '77 are now much closer than they ever were when they were all together in the present after first crashing on the island. 

Before the 06 left, they had approx 2 months of living together on the island or so?  Then the 06'ers left.  Those who remained behind realistically probably kept hoping for a return (as Sawyer sort of "explained" to Horace and to the viewers) but as time passed, that hope faded slowly away, until they just decided to live out what they felt would be their life and accepted their new situation ... stuck in 1977, making the best of what they had and going from day to day.  Yes, they still kept looking and kept watch, but as people do, they adapted to their new situation and moved on, forming new bonds, relationships and taking new jobs.

What struck me though (and actually did last season as well) is that those who returned went their own separate ways in the world, except for the brief period of time that Jack and Kate had together, rarely had contact and ended up returning to the island with nearly the same semi-cautious, "superficial" (for lack of a better word) relationship after 3 years that they had after spending 2 months on the island.  I ended up thinking that the Sawyer-Juliet relationship was more 'real' and based on something more 'solid' than 2 months of scurrying around, living in danger and going through the emotional upheaval of that first two months.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 05, 2009, 12:19:05 PM
Sigh. I appear to be in the minority. Yes, sure, I am in agreeance about Sawyer maturing. Nice to see him assume a leadership role and being heroic and genuinely caring...but I was NOT at all thrilled to see him with Juliette. I was actually sickened -- I nearly hurled.  I don't know what it is, but I just don't see it. It seems so unnatural.  Yeah, they've been together 3 years and been thru a lot but it made me nuts when I saw them together. I'm sorry to all the Jim-Jul fans out there, but I cannot stand it!!!!!

I just loved Sawyer and Kate together. It's like they were destined to be together somehow... And then this abomination happens.  BLLLLLARRRGHHHHHH.   Excuse me.... I need some Pepto Bismo.  :P 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 12:28:10 PM
Aw, poor Koko!!  :D

I don't think Juliet thought through leaving the island in 1974. When Sawyer says Whatever you're looking for doesn't exist yet.... maybe she took it to heart. Stayed another two weeks. Realized that he was right. Then he's attracted to her because she's a woman, turns on the charm, and voila! I think she's attracted to him, and I think that started when he waded out of the ocean all shirtless and sarcastic after the freighter blew up. But love???

Just way too fast for me. I have to see more of what happened between 1974 and 1977.

I noticed that with Kate, he was James...in name and personality....now he's with the DI and Juliet, and he's called Jim. It just ain't right.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 05, 2009, 12:32:18 PM
Aw, poor Koko!!  :D

I don't think Juliet thought through leaving the island in 1974. When Sawyer says Whatever you're looking for doesn't exist yet.... maybe she took it to heart. Stayed another two weeks. Realized that he was right. Then he's attracted to her because she's a woman, turns on the charm, and voila! I think she's attracted to him, and I think that started when he waded out of the ocean all shirtless and sarcastic after the freighter blew up. But love???

Just way too fast for me. I have to see more of what happened between 1974 and 1977.

I noticed that with Kate, he was James...in name and personality....now he's with the DI and Juliet, and he's called Jim. It just ain't right.

Amen to that sister!!!! No, it just ain't right!  grumble
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
I was trying all night to get Mandy to stop shouting at the screen to not trust Juliet, so...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 05, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
I was trying all night to get Mandy to stop shouting at the screen to not trust Juliet, so...

HORRAYYY FOR MANDY!!!!!!  She's on our team!!!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: LOSTRULES on March 05, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
Sorry KoKo but I really want Sawyer and Juliet together. I DO NOT LIKE Sawyer with Kate. I'm definitely a Jater. The only problem I have is that I really don't trust Juliet either. She seems to know a lot and she doesnt devulge any of the info that she knows.
But I wouldn't worry too much...I think Sawyer is going to go back to his freckles. The look he had on his face when he saw her just said it all
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 05, 2009, 12:42:45 PM

I don't think Juliet thought through leaving the island in 1974. When Sawyer says Whatever you're looking for doesn't exist yet.... maybe she took it to heart. Stayed another two weeks. Realized that he was right. Then he's attracted to her because she's a woman, turns on the charm, and voila! I think she's attracted to him, and I think that started when he waded out of the ocean all shirtless and sarcastic after the freighter blew up. But love???

I noticed that with Kate, he was James...in name and personality....now he's with the DI and Juliet, and he's called Jim. It just ain't right.

But Juliet still called him "James."  So he's still James in personality to her.  But it was kind of nice to see him all responsible and domesticated.  Picking that flower?  Awwwww....

I'm sort of torn on this.  On the one hand, I really liked Sawyer and Kate together, and he is so clearly so deeply in love with her, and I want him to be happy.  On the other hand, Kate has just been irritating the snot out of me lately (must be her associating with Jack, because he has the same effect on me) and so I almost feel like she's not good enough for Sawyer and I wish he'd give it up and move on because I just think Kate is a toxic relationship all the way around.

As for Juliet, I have never really trusted her.  
Maybe it's the way she stares and blinks and smirks....like she knows something no one else does, and feels empowered by it.
 I think what Mrs. Alpert says has a lot to do with it -- that stare and smirk...

It seems to me like Juliet is just resigned to the fact that she's meant to be on this d@*# island, no matter what.  She couldn't get off the island as a Other, and now (as Sawyer pointed out to her and it probably sank in) she has no real reason to get off the island.  No family -- her sister would just be a kid, right?  So maybe she thinks she's destined to just bake things and lead book clubs on the island for the rest of her life, so she may as well hang out with the hottest guy while she's at it.   :)   They did both say "I love you," but it felt sort of... perfunctory to me.  And his face did light up like a Christmas tree when he saw Kate, even though he told Horace he'd forgotten what she looked like...

This is going to get complicated.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 12:45:41 PM
I don't think there's any way we cannot trust Juliet anymore... They're in this together. I for one have trusted Juliet from nearly the beginning.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 12:46:10 PM
Complicated is right! Bring on the Love Square!

I think Juliet made the choice we all would have made...or, most of us, anyway. ;)

JB, at this point, I trust Ben more than Juliet...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 05, 2009, 12:47:42 PM
Sorry KoKo but I really want Sawyer and Juliet together. I DO NOT LIKE Sawyer with Kate. I'm definitely a Jater. The only problem I have is that I really don't trust Juliet either. She seems to know a lot and she doesnt devulge any of the info that she knows.
But I wouldn't worry too much...I think Sawyer is going to go back to his freckles. The look he had on his face when he saw her just said it all


***Sigh****  I just don't see their connection other than convenience.  Sure it is natural for two people to have shared a common (very bizarre) experience together to grow closer and have a relationship. However, I don't see the true connection that Sawyer and Kate shared. They had something. Like ya said, when Sawyer first saw Kate again you could SEE in his eyes...BOOM!!!!    

I think Sawyer loves Juliette, no doubt, but he is IN LOVE with Kate. BIG BIG Difference
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: LOSTRULES on March 05, 2009, 12:50:00 PM
Yeah. He definitely is in love with Kate. But she is no good for him. I don't like how she jumps back and forth between him and Jack. Plus I just feel the connection more with Jack. I do want to Sawyer to be happy but remember when last season he said to Kate that he wanted to play house...she totally didnt and hurt him again.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 05, 2009, 12:52:38 PM
Some of the best romances are the torrid ones!!! LOL!!! It's like Heathcliff and Kathy from Wurthering Heights!!!

Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: CrashandCari on March 05, 2009, 12:59:45 PM
I dont think Sawyer and Juliet connected out of convenience as someone mentioned (sorry trying to run out to lunch and no time to scroll back).  Once they were inbedded with DI either of them could have found other people to be with but they bonded during their flashes thru time and obviously built a friendship that turned into more. 

I agree that those left behind had 3 years to build their relationships into solid true friendships whereas the O6 drifted apart and probably hardly know each other in the present. 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 01:04:09 PM
Kate doesn't deserve Sawyer, he was always way more invested in the relationship than she ever was, and I"m totally enjoying this turn, I actually care about this particular relationship, and I hope that Sawyer tell Kate step off beotch.

Let us not forget that Juliette had feelings for Jack too.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostfan777 on March 05, 2009, 02:07:44 PM
I think Sawyer loves Juliette, no doubt, but he is IN LOVE with Kate. BIG BIG Difference

I agree.  He couldn't get out of bed fast enough when he heard Kate was back.  In a normal world, the two con artists are made for each other and the two doctors also.  But this is Lost, and in real life also, opposites sometimes attract, so anything can happen.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: blueeyed2200 on March 05, 2009, 02:29:59 PM
Kate doesn't deserve Sawyer, he was always way more invested in the relationship than she ever was, and I"m totally enjoying this turn, I actually care about this particular relationship, and I hope that Sawyer tell Kate step off beotch.

Let us not forget that Juliette had feelings for Jack too.

That was going to be my point EXACTLY!  Juliet and Jack had a little thing on the island too.  I don't believe it ever got as involved as Sawyer and Kate, but she had some mixed feelings too.  I believe Sawyer will end up staying with Juliet. 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 02:32:44 PM
I don't know if Kate and Sawyer belong together, they had a lot of chemistry... but Juliet and Sawyer just feels wrong..
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 03:48:17 PM
I don't know if Kate and Sawyer belong together, they had a lot of chemistry... but Juliet and Sawyer just feels wrong..

you know its wrong, but it feels so right. ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 03:51:51 PM
I don't know if Kate and Sawyer belong together, they had a lot of chemistry... but Juliet and Sawyer just feels wrong..
If we saw Kate and Juliet in bed together, I think the ratings would go through the roof.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 03:53:22 PM
Aw, poor Koko!!  :D

I don't think Juliet thought through leaving the island in 1974. When Sawyer says Whatever you're looking for doesn't exist yet.... maybe she took it to heart. Stayed another two weeks. Realized that he was right. Then he's attracted to her because she's a woman, turns on the charm, and voila! I think she's attracted to him, and I think that started when he waded out of the ocean all shirtless and sarcastic after the freighter blew up. But love???

Just way too fast for me. I have to see more of what happened between 1974 and 1977.

I noticed that with Kate, he was James...in name and personality....now he's with the DI and Juliet, and he's called Jim. It just ain't right.
I thought Kate always called him Sawyer and it was Juliet who always called him James.  I don't think she's ever called him anything else, which could be interpreted as maybe Juliet loves the real James Ford while Kate only loved the act he put on as Sawyer.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 04:08:39 PM
I dont think Sawyer and Juliet connected out of convenience as someone mentioned (sorry trying to run out to lunch and no time to scroll back).  Once they were inbedded with DI either of them could have found other people to be with but they bonded during their flashes thru time and obviously built a friendship that turned into more. 

I agree that those left behind had 3 years to build their relationships into solid true friendships whereas the O6 drifted apart and probably hardly know each other in the present. 

I disagree, I think it was absolutely a relationship of convenience.  He only knew Juliet...and he's known her for a while---why would he run off and pick someone else that he can't even tell his real name to?  It makes sense that he would end up with Juliet--even if that is not where he belongs.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 04:25:47 PM
So is Miles hooking up with Dharma tail or is Sawyer the only one getting action?  I could understand why Daniel or Jin would be abstaining.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 05, 2009, 06:11:21 PM

I thought Kate always called him Sawyer and it was Juliet who always called him James.  I don't think she's ever called him anything else, which could be interpreted as maybe Juliet loves the real James Ford while Kate only loved the act he put on as Sawyer.

It could be that Kate first knew him as Sawyer, and that's what she's used to calling him
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 05, 2009, 06:28:29 PM
What struck me though (and actually did last season as well) is that those who returned went their own separate ways in the world, except for the brief period of time that Jack and Kate had together, rarely had contact and ended up returning to the island with nearly the same semi-cautious, "superficial" (for lack of a better word) relationship after 3 years that they had after spending 2 months on the island.  I ended up thinking that the Sawyer-Juliet relationship was more 'real' and based on something more 'solid' than 2 months of scurrying around, living in danger and going through the emotional upheaval of that first two months.

Agreed.

And I loved seeing Sawyer and Juliet together. Juliet is my favourite character on the show. I love the fact that she plays her cards close to her chest - knowledge is power!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 05, 2009, 06:29:20 PM
Kate has absolutely no appeal...Sawyer better not dump Juliet, she is beautiful, brilliant, capable, interesting...she has a personality! Kate is soooo skanky.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 05, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
Kate has absolutely no appeal...Sawyer better not dump Juliet, she is beautiful, brilliant, capable, interesting...she has a personality! Kate is soooo skanky.

Juliet is a woman. Kate is a girl.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 05, 2009, 06:33:15 PM
Kate has absolutely no appeal...Sawyer better not dump Juliet, she is beautiful, brilliant, capable, interesting...she has a personality! Kate is soooo skanky.

Juliet is a woman. Kate is a girl.
Bingo, Mango!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 05, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
Juliet is a woman. Kate is a girl.
Bingo, Mango!

 :D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Still_lost06 on March 05, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
I've had a feeling they had a thing for each other the whole season.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 05, 2009, 09:00:23 PM
Here are more thoughts. I think that Kate was attracted to Jack because of who he was, someone she saw who was responsible, caring, a leader, someone who was stable. A good guy. She knows he is the right person to be with...but somehow that did not work out, even though they tried to make it work...  cuz she has this undeniable connection to Sawyer.  But Sawyer at the time was a bad boy.  He was a con artist and although she felt this connection, she knew (at that time) he was not the "good guy" she seemed she felt she needed. 

Now Sawyer had turned into that "good guy". He has become the man that she has wanted all along. 

So where do we go from here?  BIG LOVE TRIANGLE that's where we go from here!!!Oh wait, there's Jack too. Okay LOVE SQUARE. Wait, I think somebody said that earlier. Sorry about that!!!! 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 09:14:28 PM
Here are more thoughts. I think that Kate was attracted to Jack because of who he was, someone she saw who was responsible, caring, a leader, someone who was stable. A good guy. She knows he is the right person to be with...but somehow that did not work out, even though they tried to make it work...  cuz she has this undeniable connection to Sawyer.  But Sawyer at the time was a bad boy.  He was a con artist and although she felt this connection, she knew (at that time) he was not the "good guy" she seemed she felt she needed. 

Now Sawyer had turned into that "good guy". He has become the man that she has wanted all along. 

So where do we go from here?  BIG LOVE TRIANGLE that's where we go from here!!!Oh wait, there's Jack too. Okay LOVE SQUARE. Wait, I think somebody said that earlier. Sorry about that!!!! 

I think a few of us said it before, but totally take it! Why not? It's the proper geometric shape for it...LOL  :D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 05, 2009, 09:44:18 PM
Yeah, I think he's better off with Juliet.  I hope Kate makes a pass at him and he says "get off me, whore!"  I made a joke about how Sawyer would kill Jack and them to keep their secret since he's basically been with Dharma and Juliet and Jin and them for 3 years, way longer than he ever even knew Kate and Jack and Hurley and anyone else.
I would hope he would not use such abhorent language with Kate.  Why would he call her a whore? He slept around a bit himself!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 05, 2009, 09:52:31 PM
I love Sawyer and Juliet together...

Now, for the three years they've been together: I thought the three years OFF the island didn't seem like that long ON the island? Help, I'm confused! Three years passed on the island (Amy's husband died, then she and Horace got together...and Horace asked Sawyer if he thought it was possible for Amy to love him since it's only been three years)...but I thought time was different on the island than off.

My post is more confusing than the concept, I'm sure!
I happen to like Juliet and Sawyer, although I don't trust Juliet.  I think she is keeping secrets. 
Time on the island is a paradox.  although Locke only had four days since he had seen Widmore, Widmmore had 20 years.  He had them in the past.  The O6 passed three years off the isloand before they saw Locke, but the ones who went back in time to the seventies were there three years before Jack, Katre, and Hurley went back to the past, because the O6 were not on the island to go back when
Sawyer et all went back.  The O3 did not go back to when the Sawyer gang went back, they went back to where the Sawyer ga\g were. 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 05, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
I actually like Kate much better than Juliet, but I like her with Jack.  Kate does have issues, having had an abusive stepfather and codependent enabler mother.  Kate has had to be 8incredibly strong.  Juliet avoids action.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 09:58:05 PM
I actually like Kate much better than Juliet, but I like her with Jack.  Kate does have issues, having had an abusive stepfather and codependent enabler mother.  Kate has had to be 8incredibly strong.  Juliet avoids action.

How exactly does Juliet avoid action?  I don't see that.  ???
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 10:21:59 PM
Kate and Juliet are both strong, I think, but the difference is that Kate has had to deal with being strong in a society where she's considered the outlaw. Juliet has had to be strong in a society completely unlike anything else she's experienced, that she doesn't want to be in. Both women have had to make hard decisions, and both have taken action. Juliet is more like Ben in her secrecy and manipulation, and Kate is more like Sawyer with her lying and running..

So to me, seeing Juliet with Sawyer is equivalent to seeing Kate with Ben...just creepy.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 05, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
I should say she doesn't initiate action.  She was teluctant to help deliver Amy's baby, even though she was most qualilfied.  Sawyer had to talk her into it.  She generally will pick a person and follow him (seems to like to follow men) or do what she is told.  She will stick up for herself on small things, but not big things.  She did what Ben wanted, even though she apparently disagreed, and even though he sent her lover to his death.  She actually seems to latch onto the alpha male.  Ben, Jack, now Sawyer.She defied Ben only after she latched onto Jack.  She never showed the slightest interest in sexy Sawyer till this episode.

Kate, on the other hand, always sticks up for what she believes.  She stands up to Jack, even though she loves him.  And she always protects the weak: Her mother, pregnant Claire, Pregnant Sun, Aaron, etc.  Juliet does not put herself out for anyone until she susses who is going to win.  Kate also likes alpha males, but will challenge them if she believes they are wrong.  Although she followed Jack back to the island, she left Aaron somewhere safe, rather than return him to the island.  I don't always like what she does, but she at least has the strenbgth of her convictions.  She does not follow the path of least resistencelike Juliet does.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 05, 2009, 10:41:24 PM
Here are more thoughts. I think that Kate was attracted to Jack because of who he was, someone she saw who was responsible, caring, a leader, someone who was stable. A good guy. She knows he is the right person to be with...but somehow that did not work out, even though they tried to make it work...  cuz she has this undeniable connection to Sawyer.  But Sawyer at the time was a bad boy.  He was a con artist and although she felt this connection, she knew (at that time) he was not the "good guy" she seemed she felt she needed. 

Now Sawyer had turned into that "good guy". He has become the man that she has wanted all along. 


Very well put -- I agree 100%. 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
I should say she doesn't initiate action.  She was teluctant to help deliver Amy's baby, even though she was most qualilfied.  Sawyer had to talk her into it.  She generally will pick a person and follow him (seems to like to follow men) or do what she is told.  She will stick up for herself on small things, but not big things.  She did what Ben wanted, even though she apparently disagreed, and even though he sent her lover to his death.  She actually seems to latch onto the alpha male.  Ben, Jack, now Sawyer.She defied Ben only after she latched onto Jack.  She never showed the slightest interest in sexy Sawyer till this episode.

Kate, on the other hand, always sticks up for what she believes.  She stands up to Jack, even though she loves him.  And she always protects the weak: Her mother, pregnant Claire, Pregnant Sun, Aaron, etc.  Juliet does not put herself out for anyone until she susses who is going to win.  Kate also likes alpha males, but will challenge them if she believes they are wrong.  Although she followed Jack back to the island, she left Aaron somewhere safe, rather than return him to the island.  I don't always like what she does, but she at least has the strenbgth of her convictions.  She does not follow the path of least resistencelike Juliet does.

I think you and I are arguing for the same thing, but with different words.  ;) This makes a lot of sense, definitely see the whole following-the-alpha-male thing going on. She did take action against Ben by asking Jack to kill him...but once again, she's reaching out to a strong male figure, and it's so she herself doesn't have to do the dirty work. Sneaky action, but still action to me. She's creepy, so while I do see this pattern of relying on men, I also think that she has something else up her sleeve too. Both are flawed. Your explanation is really good! Thanks for expanding on your idea....
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 05, 2009, 10:50:14 PM
I think both Pickett and Other #1 from last night would disagree that Juliet doesn't initiate action.   :D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: E.S.B. on March 05, 2009, 11:40:20 PM
Boy, has this discussion taken off!

As for the Juliet vs. Kate thing...  I'd just like to say that they are both flawed in their own ways.

I have a hard time questioning the bond between Juliet and Sawyer now that they've been together for 3 years.  I mean, a lot can happen between two people over that much time!  We did see some good stuff happen between them, like Sawyer encouraging her to deliver the baby, her cooking him dinner, etc.  I thought that really showed the strength of their bond.

There's a lot of story to tell here, and if I were a betting man I wouldn't be putting money the Sawyer-Juliet thing lasting unscathed until the end of Season 6.  But it seems to me like they have a pretty good, mature thing going on right now, which is a nice breath of fresh air compared to the other romances we've seen.  That is, until the last scene when he didn't tell her who Jin had found...

We'll see what happens!   ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 11:43:45 PM
Yeah, I think he's better off with Juliet.  I hope Kate makes a pass at him and he says "get off me, whore!"  I made a joke about how Sawyer would kill Jack and them to keep their secret since he's basically been with Dharma and Juliet and Jin and them for 3 years, way longer than he ever even knew Kate and Jack and Hurley and anyone else.
I would hope he would not use such abhorent language with Kate.  Why would he call her a whore? He slept around a bit himself!
I'd laugh if he did.  Sawyer had sex with Ana-Lucia and that's it unless I'm not remembering something and that was before Kate started showing interest in him.  The Ana-Lucia thing was just meaningless sex and both of them knew it.  Kate bounces between Jack and Sawyer and leads them both on.  I know I'm a guy and I'm biased.  And in all fairness, Juliet was sleeping with a married guy.  I just think Juliet is more genuine and Kate gravitates towards whoever is most convenient at the moment without ever really loving at all.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: jugdish on March 05, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
I thought Juliet and Sawyer was very believable. They are on the island for 3 years and have the time to get to know each other. I thought they were great together, had chemestry and it seemed legit.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
I agree.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 11:59:17 PM
I'm totally not into the whole love quadrangle thing.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 12:05:44 AM
It looks like I'm in the minority on the Juliet/Sawyer thing. Sigh. That's alright, I can be popular in other ways.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 01:31:49 AM
It looks like I'm in the minority on the Juliet/Sawyer thing. Sigh. That's alright, I can be popular in other ways.

I'm with you on it, if only because its almost the polar opposite of what most people were rooting for, it was Jate, Skate and Jacket

this one never entered the lexicon as far as I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 01:49:33 AM
Ha...well, I'm opposed to it just cause it creeps me out. Doesn't feel right, but we all have different feelings on it. It's funny to me that most of the guys on here are ok with them being a couple. Also funny that everyone has a different take on it...it's interesting! Makes for good conversations.  :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 06, 2009, 01:55:48 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 02:05:22 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!

She's not a good representative of the female race...she falls back on all the major stereotypes: Going after the strong male of the group, baking/cooking, taking care of people when they're sick, keeping some secrets but gabbing about others when it's convenient for her (think telling Jin that Sun cheated on him), the whole baby thing...she's manipulative and plays the roles that will get her the biggest advantage. So half the time, she's the stereotypical soccer mom, and the rest of the time, she's the manipulative independent woman.

She's not three-dimensional, she's two-dimensional, but she changes one of the dimensions out for a new one every now and again so we THINK that she's a well-developed character. But maybe this is the way TPTB want her to seem.. :-\
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 02:35:23 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!

She's not a good representative of the female race...she falls back on all the major stereotypes: Going after the strong male of the group, baking/cooking, taking care of people when they're sick, keeping some secrets but gabbing about others when it's convenient for her (think telling Jin that Sun cheated on him), the whole baby thing...she's manipulative and plays the roles that will get her the biggest advantage. So half the time, she's the stereotypical soccer mom, and the rest of the time, she's the manipulative independent woman.

She's not three-dimensional, she's two-dimensional, but she changes one of the dimensions out for a new one every now and again so we THINK that she's a well-developed character. But maybe this is the way TPTB want her to seem.. :-\

most of the things you said about her, the same could be said about Sawyer.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 02:40:33 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!
She's not a good representative of the female race...she falls back on all the major stereotypes: Going after the strong male of the group, baking/cooking, taking care of people when they're sick, keeping some secrets but gabbing about others when it's convenient for her (think telling Jin that Sun cheated on him), the whole baby thing...she's manipulative and plays the roles that will get her the biggest advantage. So half the time, she's the stereotypical soccer mom, and the rest of the time, she's the manipulative independent woman.

She's not three-dimensional, she's two-dimensional, but she changes one of the dimensions out for a new one every now and again so we THINK that she's a well-developed character. But maybe this is the way TPTB want her to seem.. :-\
most of the things you said about her, the same could be said about Sawyer.

Sooo.....Sawyer's a stereotypical woman? LOL!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 06, 2009, 02:42:10 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!
She's not a good representative of the female race...she falls back on all the major stereotypes: Going after the strong male of the group, baking/cooking, taking care of people when they're sick, keeping some secrets but gabbing about others when it's convenient for her (think telling Jin that Sun cheated on him), the whole baby thing...she's manipulative and plays the roles that will get her the biggest advantage. So half the time, she's the stereotypical soccer mom, and the rest of the time, she's the manipulative independent woman.

She's not three-dimensional, she's two-dimensional, but she changes one of the dimensions out for a new one every now and again so we THINK that she's a well-developed character. But maybe this is the way TPTB want her to seem.. :-\
most of the things you said about her, the same could be said about Sawyer.

Sooo.....Sawyer's a stereotypical woman? LOL!
Okay, now THAT would be a twist wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 06, 2009, 03:43:04 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!

She's not a good representative of the female race...she falls back on all the major stereotypes: Going after the strong male of the group, baking/cooking, taking care of people when they're sick, keeping some secrets but gabbing about others when it's convenient for her (think telling Jin that Sun cheated on him), the whole baby thing...she's manipulative and plays the roles that will get her the biggest advantage. So half the time, she's the stereotypical soccer mom, and the rest of the time, she's the manipulative independent woman.

She's not three-dimensional, she's two-dimensional, but she changes one of the dimensions out for a new one every now and again so we THINK that she's a well-developed character. But maybe this is the way TPTB want her to seem.. :-\

most of the things you said about her, the same could be said about Sawyer.

I think Sawyer is very two-dimensional as well. 
On a side note: I'm thinking there will be a semi-cat-fight between Juliet and Kate.  Juliet will probably get really defensive if Kate starts spending time with Sawyer--or she will catch them together and confront Kate..or both of them.  (and how ironic since it will be just like Goodwin's wife catching her.)  I would love that.  It would make the whole Juliet/Sawyer "relationship" semi-bearable.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 06, 2009, 03:52:47 AM
But it seems to me like they have a pretty good, mature thing going on right now, which is a nice breath of fresh air compared to the other romances we've seen.  That is, until the last scene when he didn't tell her who Jin had found...

We'll see what happens!   ;D

I've woke-up this morning, wondering why...

Maybe he didn't want to shock her, because she's pregnant.

In that last scene of the two together, we see her lying in bed on her side; when she's shown sitting up, we only really see her from her chest upwards.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: nomteticus on March 06, 2009, 07:02:26 AM
James(Romeo) and Juliet is probably the most believable relationship on this show. The relationship started when both of them were standing on the beach looking at the smoking freighter. That's when they started to bond, and in every episode their proto-relationship gets more solid, that by the time they reach Dharma, Sawyer basically begs Juliet to stay (and he didn't really need her to find the others).

And why not trust her? She obviously has no agenda (she wanted to leave). Maybe she knows a couple of things we don't, but that's it.

Unfortunately, knowing the way the Lost writers think, I don't think it will last, since Kate will do her best to remind him of the two months of random humping they had together.

Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 06, 2009, 07:21:45 AM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!

She's not a good representative of the female race....

\

...and Kate is???
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 06, 2009, 12:38:20 PM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!

She's not a good representative of the female race....

\


...and Kate is???

Well, both Kate and Juliette come from pretty extreme situations.  I don't believe that either one can be labled a representative of the female race...I don't know if ANYBODY can be labled that because everybody is unique.  Sure there's the stereotype of what a woman is supposed to be, but I find that kind of narrowminded.  We're all different.

Juliette & Kate are completely different, obviously, but in my humble opinion and it's only an opinion, I just don't like the Juliette/Sawyer union. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. I just simply don't like it is all. It feels wrong to me because throughout this whole series I was hoping that Kate and Sawyer would "save" each other and find happiness together. (Insert uplifting string instrumental music here.)  And sure there's this three year thing between Juliette and Sawyer that occured that we didn't see.  I believe this may be the reason I am so objective towards this bizarre twist of events. I personally feel I wasn't given time to accept this new situation. It just happened so fast--like BLAM!!!!  I mean, I went through 5 1/2 seasons waiting for the Kate and Sawyer thing to HAPPEN and then TPTB throw this pie in my face. I think THAT'S why I objected so strongly to this. It's like NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  What the heck?!?!?!??!?  ^%$#@*^!!!!!! ???????

*Sigh* I need coffee. Does anybody have any coffee around here?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 12:41:49 PM
I was going to say I think the hatred for Juliet is a purely female reaction, but I kept it to myself.  But since you basically said it first, now I can announce my theory!  Muhahahaha!
She's not a good representative of the female race....
...and Kate is???

No, this has been my problem with the whole show... my only problem btw (unless the island is Atlantis, then I have 2 problems  ;)). I haven't found any of the female characters to be truly believable. Kate seems to be a strong person, but just when we think she's grown, she goes and falls back on her old tricks. There is no female character the equivalent of Locke, Christian, Richard, Ben (though I must say Juliet comes kinda close to Ben). The male/female ratio on the island is way off, and when it comes to really intriguing, three-dimensional characters that drive the story forward....they're all guys. Maybe mostly guys. And if this story arc follows a lot of Christianity...well, women are going to be supporting characters no matter what. If we follow more Egyptian mythology, or Greek mythology, we have a better chance of getting some really great female characters.

There are two women who I thought could compare to the major male characters on the show, and the first one is Mrs. Hawking. The second was Isabel, the Other's sheriff, but according to Lostpedia she died when the Others raided the Losties' camp for pregnant women and were blown up. (But Lostpedia has been wrong about a few things, and I'm hoping, hoping, hoping it's wrong about this too). Maybe Ms. Klugh, too, and she's dead as well. Kate doesn't have an interesting storyline to me, unless they bring in something totally amazing, Juliet might have an amazing storyline but she's too secretive to tell us and I don't have patience for that when I'm watching things like Ben strangle Locke and Richard not change his outfit for 20 years.

I think that all the women on the island have a chance to grow into really great characters, and I like following them around like we've been doing...but I'm sad that they don't seem to have a bigger part in the great mythology that tptb are setting up for us. Even in the Shephard clan...Ray, Christian, Jack, Aaron...and oh yeah Claire. What about Jack's grandmother? Why not cut Jack out of the picture altogether and just have Claire as that generation's representative? The most intriguing thing that has happened to women is the whole pregnancy thing, and that's been in the background while we've watched all the alpha males fight for the island. I can't wait until the women take it back.

...but I ramble, and I apologize. So I guess no, Kate isn't much better than Juliet. And if fertility problems are "trivial" on the island, wouldn't love triangles/squares be just as trivial? I'm just sick of love-geometry, I suppose.

And I agree with Koko. Just my opinion. And I need coffee too.  :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 06, 2009, 12:47:21 PM
Well said, Mrs. A!  You know that never really occurred to me until you said so...there really aren't any 3 dimensional female characters on the show.  However, I will say I am beginning to become interested in Sun. She started off being a very 2 dimensional character, but we are starting to learn more and more about her. But we are finding more and more secrets about her.  So I will say currently, I'm interested in Sun's story.  But alas, that is for another thread.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 12:51:30 PM
You at least have 3 to potentially identify with, what about a black person that watches this show, every black character with the exception of Walt has been killed off, and Walt feels like he is being removed from the show as we speak.

As a hispanic myself, I guess I have Hurley and maybe Ceasar and Iliana, but everyone already wants Ceasar and Iliana dead.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 06, 2009, 12:57:43 PM
You at least have 3 to potentially identify with, what about a black person that watches this show, every black character with the exception of Walt has been killed off, and Walt feels like he is being removed from the show as we speak.

As a hispanic myself, I guess I have Hurley and maybe Ceasar and Iliana, but everyone already wants Ceasar and Iliana dead.

Um...I don't identify with the characters because of their sex or race. (Besides I'm a mutt! LOL!)  I identify with them based on who they are, how they handle situations, etc. not what they are! 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 01:23:31 PM
You at least have 3 to potentially identify with, what about a black person that watches this show, every black character with the exception of Walt has been killed off, and Walt feels like he is being removed from the show as we speak.

As a hispanic myself, I guess I have Hurley and maybe Ceasar and Iliana, but everyone already wants Ceasar and Iliana dead.
Um...I don't identify with the characters because of their sex or race. (Besides I'm a mutt! LOL!)  I identify with them based on who they are, how they handle situations, etc. not what they are! 

I'd like to think that I can identify with all the characters on one level or another, regardless of differences in our background/gender. That's what keeps us interested in their storylines. I love Hurley, and I identify/empathize with his dilemmas, his mindset, etc.

Remember the first season, when we're all like, man, they've got an Iraqi on the island? How avant garde of them! Now we've got...a bunch of old white men running huge, secretive corporations, fighting to get control of the island. New leader? old white guy. Ghosty thing helping him? old white guy. Old leader? old white guy....the testosterone is almost too much to bear!

I guess I feel like I have to speak up for the women because that's kinda what I've been studying in college, so. Like, I loved Lord of the Rings...but I like Kushiel's Legacy better because men and women have equally important roles. And when you're talking about a storyline that's a "God help us all" moment...I think it's dumb to leave out 50% of the population. (though on the island, it's more like, 10%  ;)) The story feels unbalanced because it's all guys. At least that's how I feel.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 01:26:11 PM
You at least have 3 to potentially identify with, what about a black person that watches this show, every black character with the exception of Walt has been killed off, and Walt feels like he is being removed from the show as we speak.

As a hispanic myself, I guess I have Hurley and maybe Ceasar and Iliana, but everyone already wants Ceasar and Iliana dead.
Um...I don't identify with the characters because of their sex or race. (Besides I'm a mutt! LOL!)  I identify with them based on who they are, how they handle situations, etc. not what they are! 
that was kinda my point, unless you are a white male, we are all minorities.
I'd like to think that I can identify with all the characters on one level or another, regardless of differences in our background/gender. That's what keeps us interested in their storylines. I love Hurley, and I identify/empathize with his dilemmas, his mindset, etc.

Remember the first season, when we're all like, man, they've got an Iraqi on the island? How avant garde of them! Now we've got...a bunch of old white men running huge, secretive corporations, fighting to get control of the island. New leader? old white guy. Ghosty thing helping him? old white guy. Old leader? old white guy....the testosterone is almost too much to bear!

I guess I feel like I have to speak up for the women because that's kinda what I've been studying in college, so. Like, I loved Lord of the Rings...but I like Kushiel's Legacy better because men and women have equally important roles. And when you're talking about a storyline that's a "God help us all" moment...I think it's dumb to leave out 50% of the population. (though on the island, it's more like, 10%  ;)) The story feels unbalanced because it's all guys. At least that's how I feel.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: opgelost on March 06, 2009, 01:34:47 PM
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the testosterone is almost too much to bear!

Wasn't that one of the island's side effects?  ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 06, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
You at least have 3 to potentially identify with, what about a black person that watches this show, every black character with the exception of Walt has been killed off, and Walt feels like he is being removed from the show as we speak.

As a hispanic myself, I guess I have Hurley and maybe Ceasar and Iliana, but everyone already wants Ceasar and Iliana dead.
Um...I don't identify with the characters because of their sex or race. (Besides I'm a mutt! LOL!)  I identify with them based on who they are, how they handle situations, etc. not what they are! 

I'd like to think that I can identify with all the characters on one level or another, regardless of differences in our background/gender. That's what keeps us interested in their storylines. I love Hurley, and I identify/empathize with his dilemmas, his mindset, etc.

Remember the first season, when we're all like, man, they've got an Iraqi on the island? How avant garde of them! Now we've got...a bunch of old white men running huge, secretive corporations, fighting to get control of the island. New leader? old white guy. Ghosty thing helping him? old white guy. Old leader? old white guy....the testosterone is almost too much to bear!

I guess I feel like I have to speak up for the women because that's kinda what I've been studying in college, so. Like, I loved Lord of the Rings...but I like Kushiel's Legacy better because men and women have equally important roles. And when you're talking about a storyline that's a "God help us all" moment...I think it's dumb to leave out 50% of the population. (though on the island, it's more like, 10%  ;)) The story feels unbalanced because it's all guys. At least that's how I feel.

I don't agree.  I think we do have some strong female characters, for one thing.  For instance, Kate protected her mother and herself from an abuser the only way she coudl, but killing him.  She then surveied on the run form a long time.  Now, she stands up to the "alpha males" on a regular basis.  She does seem afrais to actually commit to a relationship with a strong male (face it: we women do tend to like strong men.  I have not seen any Mrs. Hurlsey on these boards!).  I think she goes for Sawyer because he is relatively "safe."  She does not think he is capable of commitment , either. 

The reson for there being a lot of white guys (and hispanic is NOT a race, but an ethnic derivation), the show is the brainchild of white guys, and you write whaat you know.  Hispanic writers tend to have hispanic characters; black writers tend to write about blacks.  Nobody told Alex Haley to have white heroes in his books!!!!  Nobody asaks Maya Angelou to use whtie protagonists!  Allende's characters are hispanic!  If you want mainly black characters, then get some black writers to conceive of and write a show!  The first axiom of wrting is to write what you know.  I have no probelm with two white writers having mainly white characters.  They have a nice proportional mix. 

Sun also is quite strong, and she is Asian and female!  She whupped her dad in business.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 03:20:37 PM
Give me a female character who is chosen (I'm speaking to tptb  :))... like Ben or Locke... who has had to deal with extraordinary circumstances (more than the plane crash, everyone went through that). Kate stood up to an abusive father, that's great. John Locke has been resurrected. Sun has been growing a lot, but when she just took Ben's word about Jin being alive, I felt like it totally deflated the momentum she had going. Plus, she was gaining ground in the Paik business off-island...what can she do on-island? And is there a female equivalent to Richard? Has a woman ever turned the FDW? Has there ever been a female leader of the Others?

If everyone was chosen to be on the island for a reason, I want to see a female character with the same kind of importance to the story as the male characters that now seem to be the focus of the island's mythology. A female equivalent to Richard, Ben, Locke, Widmore, maybe Christian (where'd the ghost of Ben's mom go? Bring her back!)...and make Claire just as indispensable as Jack.

As for the ethnicity thing...I'm more disappointed that we started out the series with such a great mix of international characters, but the cast list has been culled to be less diverse.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 06, 2009, 04:39:38 PM

Maybe he didn't want to shock her, because she's pregnant.

In that last scene of the two together, we see her lying in bed on her side; when she's shown sitting up, we only really see her from her chest upwards.

But didn't that scene take place just days after, or the day after, she delivered Horace and Amy's baby?  And she was crawling around under a car right before that... her tummy looked pretty flat.

But otherwise that's a good thought...


Why not cut Jack out of the picture altogether and just have Claire as that generation's representative?

I'd vote for that ticket.   :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
Give me a female character who is chosen (I'm speaking to tptb  :))... like Ben or Locke... who has had to deal with extraordinary circumstances (more than the plane crash, everyone went through that). Kate stood up to an abusive father, that's great. John Locke has been resurrected. Sun has been growing a lot, but when she just took Ben's word about Jin being alive, I felt like it totally deflated the momentum she had going. Plus, she was gaining ground in the Paik business off-island...what can she do on-island? And is there a female equivalent to Richard? Has a woman ever turned the FDW? Has there ever been a female leader of the Others?

If everyone was chosen to be on the island for a reason, I want to see a female character with the same kind of importance to the story as the male characters that now seem to be the focus of the island's mythology. A female equivalent to Richard, Ben, Locke, Widmore, maybe Christian (where'd the ghost of Ben's mom go? Bring her back!)...and make Claire just as indispensable as Jack.

As for the ethnicity thing...I'm more disappointed that we started out the series with such a great mix of international characters, but the cast list has been culled to be less diverse.
Sorry, but I'd have to disagree. Although I'd definitely want more Claire, less Jack.

Kate has gone through an awful lot pre-island. Rose was definitely a strong female character. Sawyer himself said that Juliet was stronger than all the rest of the guys there when he challenged them while making the runway.  We still have a very diverse cast, just as diverse as originally (except maybe minus the african-american race). Look at Ilana (also probably a very strong role), Miles, Hugo, Sayid, Caesar, Sun, Jin, just to name a few. Eloise was a very strong female character in Alpert's camp.

Now, obviously, this is Hollywood, and they have a thing for portraying women as weaker than men, something they've done since their founding. I look at the DI and Ben's group as a sort of Aryan proponent, to tell the truth. They have very few ethnic roles in their society. They also have few women in prominent roles (1974 looked like all the women were wives). But just because one group of people have no diversity does not mean the show has lost diversity. In fact, aside from their prominent african-american role, name one race that has disappeared from production.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:24:36 PM
Kate has gone through an awful lot pre-island. Rose was definitely a strong female character. Sawyer himself said that Juliet was stronger than all the rest of the guys there when he challenged them while making the runway. 
Every character has had to go through trying life experiences off-island. I think what Sawyer said about Juliet is that she would have killed Kate, whereas the guys hesitated. I don't know if I would call that strength; maybe, but I'll have to watch it again. The difference between what the "strong" women have gone through and what the "strong" men have gone through is huge: John had to die. Richard doesn't age. Only men (as far as we know) have been the leaders of the Others....whereas with the women (admittedly, as often happens in Hollywood), a lot of their strength comes from "domestic" things: namely, family, as opposed to themes like sacrificing one's self for the greater good of a group of people unrelated to one's self or a cosmic/greater purpose. Does this mean that women are lesser characters? Not necessarily. Maybe I'm just venting over Lost because I thought it was going to break these stereotypes.  :-\

Look at Ilana, Miles, Hugo, Sayid, Caesar, Sun, Jin, just to name a few. But just because one group of people have no diversity does not mean the show has lost diversity. In fact, aside from their prominent african-american role, name one race that has disappeared from production.
Hugo, Sayid, Sun, and Jin have been there from the beginning, that hasn't changed. I'll consider Ilana and Cesar as replacements for Ana Lucia and Paolo. Miles is a great addition, but as my Chinese American friend said, "How come the Asian guy talks to the dead? Stereotype!" She also said that she was a little miffed that Sun somehow knew about plants and alternative medicine, lol. Whereas Eko, Ms Klugh, Abaddon, and Michael have all been killed, Rose is M.I.A., Walt has been M.I.A. for several seasons, Mikhail is dead (he may have been white, but he wasn't American, British, or Australian), Omar and Naomi are dead, (I don't count Yemi cause he was always dead for us), Nadia is dead... and isn't it enough that one race has nearly disappeared from production? That's a lot of black people who aren't turning frozen donkey wheels, leading Others, or heading major corporations...

We'll keep Claire for you, JB, because she has to represent all the Aussies...  ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 10:28:02 PM
I would hardly say that we are losing diversity, though.

I might have missed the stereotyping of an Asian talking to the dead. If Miles had Daniel's job, I might call that stereotyping.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 10:30:43 PM
(and hispanic is NOT a race, but an ethnic derivation),
was it really necessary to point this out.

I'm not easily offended, and I'm really not that upset about this, but that statement while it may be true, was very dismissive.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I would hardly say that we are losing diversity, though.

I might have missed the stereotyping of an Asian talking to the dead. If Miles had Daniel's job, I might call that stereotyping.

The story just shifted from individual characters to a larger mythology, and it doesn't seem like the larger mythology includes a more diverse group of people.

LOL @ Miles as the physicist...I'm waiting for the Indian doctor to show up, then get shot. Sigh.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:42:15 PM
(and hispanic is NOT a race, but an ethnic derivation),
was it really necessary to point this out.

I'm not easily offended, and I'm really not that upset about this, but that statement while it may be true, was very dismissive.

Aw hyper! You know you'll always be just Batmanuel to me!  :-*
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 10:55:46 PM
(and hispanic is NOT a race, but an ethnic derivation),
was it really necessary to point this out.

I'm not easily offended, and I'm really not that upset about this, but that statement while it may be true, was very dismissive.

Aw hyper! You know you'll always be just Batmanuel to me!  :-*

you should hear what my friends call me, My one buddy always tells me to do his landscaping and put up some drywall, but he is allowed because we are friends and I tell him to go drink some whiskey and eat a potato and lead me to his pot of gold. ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:59:56 PM
you should hear what my friends call me, My one buddy always tells me to do his landscaping and put up some drywall, but he is allowed because we are friends and I tell him to go drink some whiskey and eat a potato and lead me to his pot of gold. ;D

ROFL! I grew up in Boston, so if you need any new material, just let me know...but I don't want to post any potentially offensive things in the threads... ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
I appreciate that.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 12:25:56 AM
If Miles had Daniel's job, I might call that stereotyping.

I just realized....you mean like Dr Chang? LOL!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 07, 2009, 01:15:32 AM
If Miles had Daniel's job, I might call that stereotyping.

I just realized....you mean like Dr Chang? LOL!

i think it would have been worse if miles had been given horace's job, after all he is a math magician. :P
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: RM on March 07, 2009, 02:38:36 AM
Certainly at the beginning this show got an A+ for the diversity of its cast.  I remember the actor playing Jin saying he'd never had an on-screen kiss before because none of the roles he was ever able to get cast were developed enough to have relationships portrayed.  Killing off Michael was the glaring blow that created an imbalance they never bothered to redress.  (And don't get me started on why people hate Michael so much.)

The female characters get plenty of screentime and development, but it's a good point to note that they aren't allowed to be full leaders in the way the most important male characters are.  It's a show written/conceived by white men so it's always going to have that perspective even when they're writing about female/minority characters.  Minority viewers are used to having to identify with white characters (because that's all they had to choose from); for white viewers to be able to identify with minority leads is always a tougher prospect because they've never been in the position of having no other choice.  Women characters who aren't defined by the men in their life are hard to come by, much less women who are leaders of men.  The shows a reflection of the mindset of the society, but it's probably better than most other shows in many respects along these lines.

Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Maxor127 on March 07, 2009, 05:26:48 AM
I think people are analyzing the cast too much.  I don't think they should cast more black people just for the sake of diversity.  They should cast whoever fits the part they envisioned.  No need to create the illusion of politically correct diversity.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 07, 2009, 01:55:45 PM
I'm not saying that they should cast the parts of a different ethnicity for the sake of political correctness or for the sake of diversity, I just think it's a shame that it so hard for anyone other that people of that race to envision a lead character of another race. thats all.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 07, 2009, 04:25:07 PM
With regards to the "diversity" issue, there's a much bigger argument for the under-representation of gay people.

I mean, that plane took off from Sydney, which has one of the largest gay communities in the world.

I don't really dwell on it though. It's a bit of a non-issue.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 04:35:48 PM
With regards to the "diversity" issue, there's a much bigger argument for the under-representation of gay people.

I mean, that plane took off from Sydney, which has one of the largest gay communities in the world.

I don't really dwell on it though. It's a bit of a non-issue.

ABC has issues with gay people anyway. I think last fall they got some kind of award for having the most gay characters on television in their original shows, then Prop 8 passed in California, and they cut three or four of those characters from the show, made them not-so-gay anymore, or didn't even introduce them to the storyline. Honestly, within the week of Nov. 4th, they did that. So Lost is the only show of theirs I watch now.  :-\
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 07, 2009, 04:41:03 PM
ABC has issues with gay people anyway. I think last fall they got some kind of award for having the most gay characters on television in their original shows, then Prop 8 passed in California, and they cut three or four of those characters from the show, made them not-so-gay anymore, or didn't even introduce them to the storyline. Honestly, within the week of Nov. 4th, they did that. So Lost is the only show of theirs I watch now.  :-\

That's awful! They'd better not mess with Kevin Walker on Brothers & Sisters! That's an ABC show, isn't it?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 04:47:04 PM
ABC has issues with gay people anyway. I think last fall they got some kind of award for having the most gay characters on television in their original shows, then Prop 8 passed in California, and they cut three or four of those characters from the show, made them not-so-gay anymore, or didn't even introduce them to the storyline. Honestly, within the week of Nov. 4th, they did that. So Lost is the only show of theirs I watch now.  :-\

That's awful! They'd better not mess with Kevin Walker on Brothers & Sisters! That's an ABC show, isn't it?

If they haven't booted him yet, they probably won't. But then on Desperate Housewives, they made it look like one of the married gay guys had an affair with Susan, and I was totally pissed. I know California banned gay marriage, but then ABC had to go and make it seem like gay marriage doesn't mean anything? And that gay guys would sleep with women?...grrr...I get so mad about that still. Mostly because ABC basically catered to the California "majority" by altering their storylines....right after they got that award.

But I'm ranting...sorry... :-[
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 07, 2009, 04:51:34 PM
ABC has issues with gay people anyway. I think last fall they got some kind of award for having the most gay characters on television in their original shows, then Prop 8 passed in California, and they cut three or four of those characters from the show, made them not-so-gay anymore, or didn't even introduce them to the storyline. Honestly, within the week of Nov. 4th, they did that. So Lost is the only show of theirs I watch now.  :-\

That's awful! They'd better not mess with Kevin Walker on Brothers & Sisters! That's an ABC show, isn't it?

I wish they wouldn't have danced around the fact that Tom was gay
If they haven't booted him yet, they probably won't. But then on Desperate Housewives, they made it look like one of the married gay guys had an affair with Susan, and I was totally pissed. I know California banned gay marriage, but then ABC had to go and make it seem like gay marriage doesn't mean anything? And that gay guys would sleep with women?...grrr...I get so mad about that still. Mostly because ABC basically catered to the California "majority" by altering their storylines....right after they got that award.

But I'm ranting...sorry... :-[
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 07, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
(and hispanic is NOT a race, but an ethnic derivation),
was it really necessary to point this out.

I'm not easily offended, and I'm really not that upset about this, but that statement while it may be true, was very dismissive.

I did not meqan it that way, it's just that we were talking about race.  Iguess I could get upset because there are no Italians?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 07, 2009, 05:50:53 PM
Give me a female character who is chosen (I'm speaking to tptb  :))... like Ben or Locke... who has had to deal with extraordinary circumstances (more than the plane crash, everyone went through that). Kate stood up to an abusive father, that's great. John Locke has been resurrected. Sun has been growing a lot, but when she just took Ben's word about Jin being alive, I felt like it totally deflated the momentum she had going. Plus, she was gaining ground in the Paik business off-island...what can she do on-island? And is there a female equivalent to Richard? Has a woman ever turned the FDW? Has there ever been a female leader of the Others?

If everyone was chosen to be on the island for a reason, I want to see a female character with the same kind of importance to the story as the male characters that now seem to be the focus of the island's mythology. A female equivalent to Richard, Ben, Locke, Widmore, maybe Christian (where'd the ghost of Ben's mom go? Bring her back!)...and make Claire just as indispensable as Jack.

As for the ethnicity thing...I'm more disappointed that we started out the series with such a great mix of international characters, but the cast list has been culled to be less diverse.
I usually feel that way, too.  I think that Kate, Sun, and even Juliet are just as strong as the males.  I happen to think that we women are actually the stronger sex (sorry guys) and that part of it is that we love so thoroughly.  I do not see that as a female weakness.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 05:55:56 PM
I usually feel that way, too.  I think that Kate, Sun, and even Juliet are just as strong as the males.  I happen to think that we women are actually the stronger sex (sorry guys) and that part of it is that we love so thoroughly.  I do not see that as a female weakness.

I love that you said this.  :)
I agree...it's an issue with most contemporary cultures that feminine strength isn't thought to equal masculine strength, and it seems like TPTB may also consider masculine strengths to be more valuable than the other, at least when it comes to the Major Purpose of the story. I just want everyone to get along and have equal opportunities!  ;)  Like, let Juliet turn the donkey wheel, or something. 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 07, 2009, 06:54:24 PM
Behind every strong man is a strong woman.   ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 07, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
Tom was gay, wasn't he?
I usually feel that way, too.  I think that Kate, Sun, and even Juliet are just as strong as the males.  I happen to think that we women are actually the stronger sex (sorry guys) and that part of it is that we love so thoroughly.  I do not see that as a female weakness.

I love that you said this.  :)
I agree...it's an issue with most contemporary cultures that feminine strength isn't thought to equal masculine strength, and it seems like TPTB may also consider masculine strengths to be more valuable than the other, at least when it comes to the Major Purpose of the story. I just want everyone to get along and have equal opportunities!  ;)  Like, let Juliet turn the donkey wheel, or something. 
I might be in the male minority when I say this, but I completely agree with you, Nova.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 07, 2009, 10:13:01 PM
Tom was gay, wasn't he?

Yeah. And Arturo.

Hurley's sister-in-law, Lisa was evidently bisexual too.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 07, 2009, 10:29:56 PM
We need 13 from House.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 08, 2009, 04:11:46 AM
Tom was gay, wasn't he?
Yeah. And Arturo.

Hurley's sister-in-law, Lisa was evidently bisexual too.

R.I.P., Tom.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 08, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Hi Guys,

Long time no see.

Just wanted to add a couple of things.
1. I like Juliet and Sawyer (or James if you prefer) much more than Skate, Jate or whatever. I really felt offended myself when Sawyer lied to Juliet, though.

2. I don't want any Sawyer - Kate reunion simply of egoistic reason. I really don't want my fav TV show to slip into "Bold and Beautiful" type, if you know what I mean.

Actually, thinking of it it's three things (just like Spanish Inquisition ;)
Kate came to Jack to let him know she's going with him back to the big I. She needed some sort of comfort from him and jumped into his bed. Then dismissed him on the plane saying "Just because we're together on the plane it doesn't mean we're back together". How come some of you trust Kate and not Juliet?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 08, 2009, 12:22:16 PM
With regards to the "diversity" issue, there's a much bigger argument for the under-representation of gay people.

I mean, that plane took off from Sydney, which has one of the largest gay communities in the world.

I don't really dwell on it though. It's a bit of a non-issue.

ABC has issues with gay people anyway. I think last fall they got some kind of award for having the most gay characters on television in their original shows, then Prop 8 passed in California, and they cut three or four of those characters from the show, made them not-so-gay anymore, or didn't even introduce them to the storyline. Honestly, within the week of Nov. 4th, they did that. So Lost is the only show of theirs I watch now.  :-\

I appreciate all of these thoughts.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 12:23:22 PM
Hi Guys,

Long time no see.

Just wanted to add a couple of things.
1. I like Juliet and Sawyer (or James if you prefer) much more than Skate, Jate or whatever. I really felt offended myself when Sawyer lied to Juliet, though.

2. I don't want any Sawyer - Kate reunion simply of egoistic reason. I really don't want my fav TV show to slip into "Bold and Beautiful" type, if you know what I mean.

Actually, thinking of it it's three things (just like Spanish Inquisition ;)
Kate came to Jack to let him know she's going with him back to the big I. She needed some sort of comfort from him and jumped into his bed. Then dismissed him on the plane saying "Just because we're together on the plane it doesn't mean we're back together". How come some of you trust Kate and not Juliet?
Excellent point, golf. I'd much rather trust Juliet than Kate. Juliet has had real relationships in the past, Kate hasn't.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mommainternet on March 09, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
I found myself surprised by the fact that I liked Sawyer and Juliet together more than Sawyer and Kate. 

Sawyer seemed at ease telling Juliet he loved her, (something he seemed to have difficulty with in the past in other relationships and even with Kate) and that's why it didn't make sense to me that he wouldn't tell Juliet Jin had found them. 

I'm looking forward to seeing more of Sawyer and Juliet's backstory these past 3 years and also finding out with Daniel has been.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 09, 2009, 02:57:32 PM
I'd much rather trust Juliet than Kate. Juliet has had real relationships in the past, Kate hasn't.

In defense of Kate, she really hasn't had time to establish real relationships during the time we have known her. She was on the run for killing her step dad who was beating the crap of her mother. The one guy (I forget his name--sorry!) that she seemed to care deeply for was gunned down right in front of her.   And Jack whom she tried to work things out with after they ret'd to civilization, freaked out on her when they DID try to have a relationship. 

So I don't think it should be a trust issue with Kate.  I personally don't mistrust her, I think she's just had a hell of a crappy life.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 09, 2009, 03:15:29 PM
Well, for me it's not the matter of establishing relationship - it's maintaining it ;)

Kate was married before and seemed deeply engaged in that marriage. She wasn't able though to show her real face. She kept her secrets.
Just like she keeps them now away from Jack.

If Kate has secrets, why can't Juliet have some? Besides what did Juliet did wrong lately? Saved Sawyer's back, delivered a baby, tried to help Charlotte. Can't see too much harm done to others.
She did however stress at some point that she still is an Oher.

Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 09, 2009, 04:36:49 PM
But she's an Other who wanted to get the heck off of the island.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 09, 2009, 05:10:50 PM
What I meant was - she still has (or had, before the flashes stopped) a strong sense of belonging to the camp Others. Or not belonging to the camp 815.

I think Juliet really has a problem with negative identity - she was the other woman, she was a "failed" doctor, she was not an 815 when the Othersville disintegrated. And she always seems to be someone's hostage. First her husband, then Ben. This woman may be determined but she completely lacks self esteem.

I don't know whether you noticed that too but when we first met Juliet she was almost like a robot. I think it was after she saw Goodwin's body that she sort of "sinked". When she joined 815 she gradually became more human again. When she cried after delivering Amy's baby I think it was real.

Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 05:26:09 PM
I think Juliet really has a problem with negative identity - she was the other woman, she was a "failed" doctor, she was not an 815 when the Othersville disintegrated. And she always seems to be someone's hostage. First her husband, then Ben. This woman may be determined but she completely lacks self esteem.

But she has an immense survival instinct. Nobody with that high a drive to survive has low self-esteem... I believe she's just prepared to let her ego take a back-seat if need be.

I don't know whether you noticed that too but when we first met Juliet she was almost like a robot. I think it was after she saw Goodwin's body that she sort of "sinked". When she joined 815 she gradually became more human again. When she cried after delivering Amy's baby I think it was real.

I think she's just guarded. How (or why) she remains so strong, I really don't know.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 09, 2009, 05:30:23 PM

Nobody with that high a drive to survive has low self-esteem...

I disagree. But unfortunatelly I only have my word on it :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 09, 2009, 07:02:48 PM
I usually feel that way, too.  I think that Kate, Sun, and even Juliet are just as strong as the males.  I happen to think that we women are actually the stronger sex (sorry guys) and that part of it is that we love so thoroughly.  I do not see that as a female weakness.

I love that you said this.  :)
I agree...it's an issue with most contemporary cultures that feminine strength isn't thought to equal masculine strength, and it seems like TPTB may also consider masculine strengths to be more valuable than the other, at least when it comes to the Major Purpose of the story. I just want everyone to get along and have equal opportunities!  ;)  Like, let Juliet turn the donkey wheel, or something. 

Bonding with Mrs. Alpert!About the wheel: an in shape male is generally physically stronger than an in-sjhape female.  Females tend to be mentally stronger, though.  I'd like to see one of the women save the day and straighten out some of the macho A-type guys,
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 07:06:01 PM
Bonding with Mrs. Alpert!About the wheel: an in shape male is generally physically stronger than an in-sjhape female.  Females tend to be mentally stronger, though.  I'd like to see one of the women save the day and straighten out some of the macho A-type guys,

Well, Novashannon, come on down to Mrs Hume's Tea Party, where a bunch of us ladies (and some gentlemen too) discuss how to fix the island's problems. We currently have Jacob sedated, but have been giving him tea spiked with truth serum to find out what's really going on on the island.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 08:16:44 PM

Maybe he didn't want to shock her, because she's pregnant.

In that last scene of the two together, we see her lying in bed on her side; when she's shown sitting up, we only really see her from her chest upwards.

But didn't that scene take place just days after, or the day after, she delivered Horace and Amy's baby?  And she was crawling around under a car right before that... her tummy looked pretty flat.

But otherwise that's a good thought...

I dunno. The boiler suit sort of hid a lot of her shape.

I need to watch the episode again. This was probably just wishful thinking on my part. I want them to have a baby!  :D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 09, 2009, 08:21:12 PM
I know what you mean.  That would be one pretty baby!

Oh, and who is Arturo?    ??? 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 08:23:36 PM
I know what you mean.  That would be one pretty baby!

Oh, and who is Arturo?    ??? 

Tom's lover, in New York - and possibly the blindfolded man.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=7691.0

I wonder what happened to him?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 09, 2009, 08:27:32 PM
I forgot all about him!  There are so many secondary characters who may or may not be pivotal characters later on...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 09, 2009, 08:28:19 PM
OK, gotcha... thanks!

I always took it that that video was something Widmore did intentionally -- that it wasn't a "personally manned" video camera, but maybe a remote-controlled one.  That Widmore was looking up to say "This is what I do to your friends if you cross me" sort of thing.  

But I digress...  Sawyer and Juliet... I think it's a doomed romance, how's that?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 09, 2009, 08:31:28 PM
OK, gotcha... thanks!

I always took it that that video was something Widmore did intentionally -- that it wasn't a "personally manned" video camera, but maybe a remote-controlled one.  That Widmore was looking up to say "This is what I do to your friends if you cross me" sort of thing.  

But I digress...  Sawyer and Juliet... I think it's a doomed romance, how's that?

The way things are going, I don't think anybody's romances are gonna last. Shoot, even Rose and Bernard were squabbling!!!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
But I digress...  Sawyer and Juliet... I think it's a doomed romance, how's that?

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/24/nooooooo7oz.jpg)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 09, 2009, 08:36:16 PM
But I digress...  Sawyer and Juliet... I think it's a doomed romance, how's that?

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/24/nooooooo7oz.jpg)

Awwww. Hands Darth Mango a tissue.  Here's a cookie too.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 08:41:16 PM
Here's a cookie too.

I can't eat when I'm upset - but thanks anyway. I'll use the cookie to feed the troll. lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 09, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
Here's a cookie too.

I can't eat when I'm upset - but thanks anyway. I'll use the cookie to feed the troll. lol

LOL! Okay Mango!  Tell the troll it's a delicious TROLLHOUSE cookie!!! See that! See what I did there???  omg...maybe I need a cookie...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 08:47:29 PM
See that! See what I did there???

Well, no... :D I didn't get the pun until I Googled...

I guess you were referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_House_cookies

We don't have those in England. lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 09, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
See that! See what I did there???

Well, no... :D I didn't get the pun until I Googled...

I guess you were referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_House_cookies

We don't have those in England. lol

Ohhhh Mango! I didn't realize!!!!  Well now you learned something new about one of our famous American Cookie makers!!! :D   

I sooo want to go to England! I could just sit and listen to you all talk.  ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostandfree on March 09, 2009, 08:57:57 PM
LOL that was a pretty good one and she doesn't even get it.  ha
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 09:06:20 PM
I sooo want to go to England! I could just sit and listen to you all talk.  ;D

My accent is more Charlie than Charlotte. I'm common. lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 09:11:05 PM
See that! See what I did there???

Well, no... :D I didn't get the pun until I Googled...

I guess you were referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_House_cookies

We don't have those in England. lol

And they only work with nestle semi-sweet chocolate chips...many times I tried making a batch (we all like the dough before baking) with those little bags of chocolate chips, not the same (though the chocolate in England is much better than here overall...just not with the chocolate chips! I even tried using buttons!)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
though the chocolate in England is much better than here overall...just not with the chocolate chips! I even tried using buttons!

Cadbury Buttons?

Mmmmm...

(http://www.britishfooddirect.com/images/21-76-cad-buttons.jpg)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
though the chocolate in England is much better than here overall...just not with the chocolate chips! I even tried using buttons!

Cadbury Buttons?

Mmmmm...

(http://www.britishfooddirect.com/images/21-76-cad-buttons.jpg)

Yes, not clothes buttons!
My mom thought my sons were little snobs when they went to her house for Easter on a visit and they ate a chocolate bunny and said..."Ewwwww....." Nothing compares to REAL Cadbury Dairy Milk (they sell fake Cadbury here now...not the same.)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 09:29:52 PM
Oh yeah, that was one of my favorite things when I visited England...all that delicious Cadbury chocolate! Vending machines of it in the underground! There was a store near my house in Boston that sold a bunch of English stuff, and I had to go there to get Star bars and the like. I miss it here.  :'(
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 09:32:17 PM
Oh yeah, that was one of my favorite things when I visited England...all that delicious Cadbury chocolate! Vending machines of it in the underground! There was a store near my house in Boston that sold a bunch of English stuff, and I had to go there to get Star bars and the like. I miss it here.  :'(
Now you have me wanting a curly wurly bar...and some prawn cocktail crisps!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
Now you have me wanting a curly wurly bar...and some prawn cocktail crisps!

I'd never really imagined that Curly Wurlys and prawn cocktail-flavoured crisps could be seen as being... exotic. lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 09:52:03 PM
Now you have me wanting a curly wurly bar...and some prawn cocktail crisps!
I'd never really imagined that Curly Wurlys and prawn cocktail-flavoured crisps could be seen as being... exotic. lol

But Toll House cookies are? hee hee...That would be awesome if Toll House cookies were exotic AND delicious, then I wouldn't want to eat like 100 of them. I would think each one was precious and leave it at that. Then again, I'm glad they're familiar. Reminds me of home with family.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
Now you have me wanting a curly wurly bar...and some prawn cocktail crisps!

I'd never really imagined that Curly Wurlys and prawn cocktail-flavoured crisps could be seen as being... exotic. lol

I don't eat any crisps but prawn cocktail. There is a British import store about 40 miles from here, and we go every few months. I buy a few bags of crisps...my kids get the kinder eggs (they cost like two dollars here) and other sweets. We should have a thread just for British foods we miss and you can describe what you've eaten for the day (like eat a chicken balti for me)...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 10:05:54 PM
I like how everyone is tired of talking about Sawyer and Juliet, so we're talking about British foodstuffs instead. Good times on SWLS!! haha
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:09:34 PM
I think the only discernibly British thing I consumed today, is a carton of Ribena - forever immortalised in the lyrics of Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy'. lol

(http://www.english-shop.de/images/Ribena%20-%20Blackcurrant%20Juice%20Drink%20(288ml).jpg)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
I think the only discernibly British thing I consumed today, is a carton of Ribena - forever immortalised in the lyrics of Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy'. lol

(http://www.english-shop.de/images/Ribena%20-%20Blackcurrant%20Juice%20Drink%20(288ml).jpg)


Ooooo, pretty! What is it??
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
I like how everyone is tired of talking about Sawyer and Juliet, so we're talking about British foodstuffs instead. Good times on SWLS!! haha

I'll tie it into Sawyer and Juliet:
Wouldn't it be cool if Juliet pulled out a box of Mr. Kiplings Bramley Apple Pies out of the cupboard?!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:15:05 PM
Ooooo, pretty! What is it??

lol

It's just a little carton of blackcurrant juice, but it doesn't taste like any other blackcurrant juice. I can't describe it. It's sharp, but has lots of added sugar. Yum. lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:17:30 PM
Ooooo, pretty! What is it??

lol

It's just a little carton on blackcurrant juice, but it doesn't taste like any other blackcurrant juice. I can't describe it. It's sharp, but has lots of added sugar. Yum. lol

I also vouch, yum. If it weren't for my aging parents I would move back. But, then I would be missing things from here. Now I'm never content anywhere!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 09, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
You have to make friends on every continent, and get them to send stuff to you. I have friends in New Zealand who send me Tim Tams, and I send them Trident gum.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 09, 2009, 10:23:27 PM
I may be in a position to post stuff out, next month. Definitely not this month - nearly every penny is spoken for this payday.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 09, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
I may be in a position to post stuff out, next month. Definitely not this month - nearly every penny is spoken for this payday.

Thanks for the offer  :)

Luckily I can get supplies at the import store near here, the owners are from the UK and run a little tea shop there also (not sure about Mr. Kiplings...did you know there are no Bramley apples here, which is a must in pie, and I live in the apple capital of Virginia. I don't think they would survive the trip over anyway!)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostandfree on March 09, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
I want cookies!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 09, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
Man ,you guys! this is an awesome thread. I can't believe I haven't been.  :(

I didn't expect to like sawyer and Juliet. At all! I didn't like the idea last season when everyone here started speculating that they would be together, after he came back form jumping off the helicopter to the island  . but now seeing the new James! Well, I like them together. I felt that Juliet was a no BS kind of woman and she would never put up with James' immaturity. It seemed to me that being with a women like her who wouldn't put up with that made him a better man.   
I thought maybe the reason that sawyer didn't mention to Juliet that Jin found jack Kate and Hurley was possibly because he wanted to prolong the reunion of Juliet and Jack.  :-\  He didn't really lie to her exactly.
I know, it's an explanation that makes James look better than if he was just lying to Juliet because he wanted to see Kate without her there. but I'd rather think of it that way right now. he he
Kate is just drama. And I don't think she brings out the best in James.
and as for cadberry chocolate, ummm so good.  I used to get it in Vermont all the time. I never had it anywhere else though.  :(
I really enjoyed reading everyone point of view. Very insightfull.  :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 10, 2009, 01:54:30 AM
Not only that, but some of us Yanks learned all about English chocolates! LOL!  As Mrs. A said, good times, good times!! I feel so much more cultured now!!! 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 03:28:32 AM
this is my british delight of choice
(http://nuke1.net/uploads/images/justplaindave's%20beer%20pics/newcastle_brown_ale.jpg)

Mrs. Hume, I'm glad I am not the only who thinks that the problem may not arise from Sawyer seeing Kate, but for Juliette seeing Jack. She made it pretty clear last season that she digs him.

Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Sunflower on March 10, 2009, 04:41:20 AM
Man ,you guys! this is an awesome thread. I can't believe I haven't been.  :(

I didn't expect to like sawyer and Juliet. At all! I didn't like the idea last season when everyone here started speculating that they would be together, after he came back form jumping off the helicopter to the island  . but now seeing the new James! Well, I like them together. I felt that Juliet was a no BS kind of woman and she would never put up with James' immaturity. It seemed to me that being with a women like her who wouldn't put up with that made him a better man.  
I thought maybe the reason that sawyer didn't mention to Juliet that Jin found jack Kate and Hurley was possibly because he wanted to prolong the reunion of Juliet and Jack.  :-\  He didn't really lie to her exactly.
I know, it's an explanation that makes James look better than if he was just lying to Juliet because he wanted to see Kate without her there. but I'd rather think of it that way right now. he he
Kate is just drama. And I don't think she brings out the best in James.
and as for cadberry chocolate, ummm so good.  I used to get it in Vermont all the time. I never had it anywhere else though.  :(
I really enjoyed reading everyone point of view. Very insightfull.  :)

So she makes him better, but doesn't bring out the best in him?  ;)  I loved what you said Mrs. Hume and agree!  Frankly, I'm a little surprised at my girlie Koko for being so resentful about the whole thing lol  For me Jack and Kate deserve each other.  I would want to be stranded on an island with Sawyer and Juliet before I would be stuck with Jack and Kate (granted they are good with guns and tracking, but I couldn't handle all the drama and crying!).  I agree with everyone who has mentioned Sawyers growth; it is amazing, sincere and touching.  He has really come into his own and proves why Lost could not work without him.

Btw, I didn't even notice his hair!  I was busy checking at his dimples, mouth, eyes, body, etc...LOL
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 05:27:17 AM
Man ,you guys! this is an awesome thread. I can't believe I haven't been.  :(

I didn't expect to like sawyer and Juliet. At all! I didn't like the idea last season when everyone here started speculating that they would be together, after he came back form jumping off the helicopter to the island  . but now seeing the new James! Well, I like them together. I felt that Juliet was a no BS kind of woman and she would never put up with James' immaturity. It seemed to me that being with a women like her who wouldn't put up with that made him a better man.  
I thought maybe the reason that sawyer didn't mention to Juliet that Jin found jack Kate and Hurley was possibly because he wanted to prolong the reunion of Juliet and Jack.  :-\  He didn't really lie to her exactly.
I know, it's an explanation that makes James look better than if he was just lying to Juliet because he wanted to see Kate without her there. but I'd rather think of it that way right now. he he
Kate is just drama. And I don't think she brings out the best in James.
and as for cadberry chocolate, ummm so good.  I used to get it in Vermont all the time. I never had it anywhere else though.  :(
I really enjoyed reading everyone point of view. Very insightfull.  :)

So she makes him better, but doesn't bring out the best in him?  ;)  I loved what you said Mrs. Hume and agree!  Frankly, I'm a little surprised at my girlie Koko for being so resentful about the whole thing lol  For me Jack and Kate deserve each other.  I would want to be stranded on an island with Sawyer and Juliet before I would be stuck with Jack and Kate (granted they are good with guns and tracking, but I couldn't handle all the drama and crying!).  I agree with everyone who has mentioned Sawyers growth; it is amazing, sincere and touching.  He has really come into his own and proves why Lost could not work without him.

Btw, I didn't even notice his hair!  I was busy checking at his dimples, mouth, eyes, body, etc...LOL

Hate the Juliet/Sawyer thing...but saw it coming.
Like Sawyer's hair no matter what anyone else says.
Jack cries.
Kate is a hooker.
Juliet is sneaky.


Waaaaaalt! Waaaaaaaaalt!
(Where did that come from?)

Sorry, it is really late! ::)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 10, 2009, 07:24:51 AM
this is my british delight of choice
(http://nuke1.net/uploads/images/justplaindave's%20beer%20pics/newcastle_brown_ale.jpg)

Mrs. Hume, I'm glad I am not the only who thinks that the problem may not arise from Sawyer seeing Kate, but for Juliette seeing Jack. She made it pretty clear last season that she digs him.



hyperform-I lived in Newcastle-upon-Tyne...can't say I share your love for Newcastle Brown Ale (not brewed and bottled there any more)!

I don't really care for Kate or Jack...they can have each other. Sawyer and Juliet seem much more natural and REAL. James finally looked happy that last episode...his facial lines weren't as hard and he didn't look all stressed out.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mommainternet on March 10, 2009, 08:58:12 AM

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hyperform-I lived in Newcastle-upon-Tyne...can't say I share your love for Newcastle Brown Ale (not brewed and bottled there any more)!

I don't really care for Kate or Jack...they can have each other. Sawyer and Juliet seem much more natural and REAL. James finally looked happy that last episode...his facial lines weren't as hard and he didn't look all stressed out.
[/quote]

That's what I meant in my response - that he really looked happy and seemed to have let go and trusted (one of his major issues) Juliet and so I still can't figure out why he didn't tell her Jin found them.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 10, 2009, 10:59:45 AM


hyperform-I lived in Newcastle-upon-Tyne...can't say I share your love for Newcastle Brown Ale (not brewed and bottled there any more)!

I don't really care for Kate or Jack...they can have each other. Sawyer and Juliet seem much more natural and REAL. James finally looked happy that last episode...his facial lines weren't as hard and he didn't look all stressed out.
[/quote]

That's what I meant in my response - that he really looked happy and seemed to have let go and trusted (one of his major issues) Juliet and so I still can't figure out why he didn't tell her Jin found them.
[/quote]

Maybe he wasn't so worried about having unresolved feelings for Kate as he was worried that Juliet might run into Jack's arms.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 10, 2009, 01:20:54 PM
Man ,you guys! this is an awesome thread. I can't believe I haven't been.  :(

I didn't expect to like sawyer and Juliet. At all! I didn't like the idea last season when everyone here started speculating that they would be together, after he came back form jumping off the helicopter to the island  . but now seeing the new James! Well, I like them together. I felt that Juliet was a no BS kind of woman and she would never put up with James' immaturity. It seemed to me that being with a women like her who wouldn't put up with that made him a better man.  
I thought maybe the reason that sawyer didn't mention to Juliet that Jin found jack Kate and Hurley was possibly because he wanted to prolong the reunion of Juliet and Jack.  :-\  He didn't really lie to her exactly.
I know, it's an explanation that makes James look better than if he was just lying to Juliet because he wanted to see Kate without her there. but I'd rather think of it that way right now. he he
Kate is just drama. And I don't think she brings out the best in James.
and as for cadberry chocolate, ummm so good.  I used to get it in Vermont all the time. I never had it anywhere else though.  :(
I really enjoyed reading everyone point of view. Very insightfull.  :)

So she makes him better, but doesn't bring out the best in him?  ;)  I loved what you said Mrs. Hume and agree!  Frankly, I'm a little surprised at my girlie Koko for being so resentful about the whole thing lol  For me Jack and Kate deserve each other.  I would want to be stranded on an island with Sawyer and Juliet before I would be stuck with Jack and Kate (granted they are good with guns and tracking, but I couldn't handle all the drama and crying!).  I agree with everyone who has mentioned Sawyers growth; it is amazing, sincere and touching.  He has really come into his own and proves why Lost could not work without him.

Btw, I didn't even notice his hair!  I was busy checking at his dimples, mouth, eyes, body, etc...LOL

Oh no,  I said,Juliet makes him a better man, and KATE doesn't bring out the best in him. lol
Did you SEE his smile when he smiled at Juliet! I don't ever remember him smiling like that before. His dimples! (and I never gave his looks a second thought before this ) yeah his hair has seen better days when he didn't have shampoo but ... did you see his dimples?! lol

also,.....

That's what I meant in my response - that he really looked happy and seemed to have let go and trusted (one of his major issues) Juliet and so I still can't figure out why he didn't tell her Jin found them.


Maybe he wasn't so worried about having unresolved feelings for Kate as he was worried that Juliet might run into Jack's arms.


That's what I said!  ;) and Hyperform too.
I hope Jack doesn't come back and try to act the leader part now. but, my question is, and i think that this is a big one, Now that Locke and Ben are not with them to tell them what they have to do to make things right , what is going to happen? Will Locke or Ben have to do something from there time frame like turn the wheel again? oh Lordy, NOT AGAIN!!!!!  ::) :o
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 10, 2009, 01:27:16 PM
I have a feeling that things are just going to get ugly.  I have yet to see anyone truly happy yet...or if they truly are, it's really brief...say, that's like real life!  There will be conflict...oh yes. There will be conflict!!!  Too many strong personalities, too many secrets, too many conflicts of interest. Oh yeah baby. It's gonna get GOOD!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Sunflower on March 10, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
I'm changing my name to SawyerlovesJuliet for you Koko :-*
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mommainternet on March 10, 2009, 01:54:53 PM


Maybe he wasn't so worried about having unresolved feelings for Kate as he was worried that Juliet might run into Jack's arms.

I thought about that, too.  But Juliet and Jack never really seemed to move their relationship to the next step.  It seemed more like Sawyer hid the truth from Juliet for his own reasoning and not anything having to do with her.  And I guess, thinking more about it now, that bothers me because it seemed like he had moved on with Juliet and was happy and like someone else commented "being happy" is short lived on Lost - still it was great to see Sawyer smiling again.

And just for the record, I for one, was hoping he'd come back with shorter hair like the first season ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 01:59:32 PM
I'm changing my name to SawyerlovesJuliet for you Koko :-*

Oh no! She'll have to shield her eyes now whenever she visits the forum!  ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Sunflower on March 10, 2009, 02:06:36 PM
I'm changing my name to SawyerlovesJuliet for you Koko :-*

Oh no! She'll have to shield her eyes now whenever she visits the forum!  ;)
giggle snort! :D

I couldn't help myself!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 10, 2009, 02:57:25 PM
I don't really care for Kate or Jack...they can have each other.

Amen to that! 


Sawyer and Juliet seem much more natural and REAL. James finally looked happy that last episode...his facial lines weren't as hard and he didn't look all stressed out.

So true.  To me, before he has always had this look of anger about him -- a combination of defensiveness and distrust and maybe even a tad of self-loathing.  That was completely gone in LaFleur.  It was nice to see.  I'm just still not too sure I trust Juliet, though.

Vickilynn, you live in Winchester?  Beautiful country.  We drive though there all the time.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Wow... 12 pages on this topic?

Women. ;)

Edit: And, my post makes it 13... the irony is just too good.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Sunflower on March 10, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
I don't really care for Kate or Jack...they can have each other.

Amen to that! 


Sawyer and Juliet seem much more natural and REAL. James finally looked happy that last episode...his facial lines weren't as hard and he didn't look all stressed out.

So true.  To me, before he has always had this look of anger about him -- a combination of defensiveness and distrust and maybe even a tad of self-loathing.  That was completely gone in LaFleur.  It was nice to see.  I'm just still not too sure I trust Juliet, though.

Vickilynn, you live in Winchester?  Beautiful country.  We drive though there all the time.
Double amen to that!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 03:10:11 PM
Wow... 12 pages on this topic?

Women. ;)

Edit: And, my post makes it 13... the irony is just too good.

Yeah, but 8 pages or so are totally off-topic.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Novashannon on March 10, 2009, 03:21:12 PM
Man ,you guys! this is an awesome thread. I can't believe I haven't been.  :(

I didn't expect to like sawyer and Juliet. At all! I didn't like the idea last season when everyone here started speculating that they would be together, after he came back form jumping off the helicopter to the island  . but now seeing the new James! Well, I like them together. I felt that Juliet was a no BS kind of woman and she would never put up with James' immaturity. It seemed to me that being with a women like her who wouldn't put up with that made him a better man.  
I thought maybe the reason that sawyer didn't mention to Juliet that Jin found jack Kate and Hurley was possibly because he wanted to prolong the reunion of Juliet and Jack.  :-\  He didn't really lie to her exactly.
I know, it's an explanation that makes James look better than if he was just lying to Juliet because he wanted to see Kate without her there. but I'd rather think of it that way right now. he he
Kate is just drama. And I don't think she brings out the best in James.
and as for cadberry chocolate, ummm so good.  I used to get it in Vermont all the time. I never had it anywhere else though.  :(
I really enjoyed reading everyone point of view. Very insightfull.  :)

So she makes him better, but doesn't bring out the best in him?  ;)  I loved what you said Mrs. Hume and agree!  Frankly, I'm a little surprised at my girlie Koko for being so resentful about the whole thing lol  For me Jack and Kate deserve each other.  I would want to be stranded on an island with Sawyer and Juliet before I would be stuck with Jack and Kate (granted they are good with guns and tracking, but I couldn't handle all the drama and crying!).  I agree with everyone who has mentioned Sawyers growth; it is amazing, sincere and touching.  He has really come into his own and proves why Lost could not work without him.

Btw, I didn't even notice his hair!  I was busy checking at his dimples, mouth, eyes, body, etc...LOL

Hate the Juliet/Sawyer thing...but saw it coming.
Like Sawyer's hair no matter what anyone else says.
Jack cries.
Kate is a hooker.
Juliet is sneaky.


Waaaaaalt! Waaaaaaaaalt!
(Where did that come from?)

Sorry, it is really late! ::)
Why do you call Kate a hooker, monkey?  We have seen nothing to suggest that she is.  WE have seen Sawyer sleep around more than Kate, and I haven't seen you call him a hooker.  Sexist much?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
Wow... 12 pages on this topic?

Women. ;)

Edit: And, my post makes it 13... the irony is just too good.

Yeah, but 8 pages or so are totally off-topic.
Most of my wife's discussions with her friends end up that way, too. 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Ladybug on March 10, 2009, 03:26:36 PM
Man ,you guys! this is an awesome thread. I can't believe I haven't been.  :(

I didn't expect to like sawyer and Juliet. At all! I didn't like the idea last season when everyone here started speculating that they would be together, after he came back form jumping off the helicopter to the island  . but now seeing the new James! Well, I like them together. I felt that Juliet was a no BS kind of woman and she would never put up with James' immaturity. It seemed to me that being with a women like her who wouldn't put up with that made him a better man.  
I thought maybe the reason that sawyer didn't mention to Juliet that Jin found jack Kate and Hurley was possibly because he wanted to prolong the reunion of Juliet and Jack.  :-\  He didn't really lie to her exactly.
I know, it's an explanation that makes James look better than if he was just lying to Juliet because he wanted to see Kate without her there. but I'd rather think of it that way right now. he he
Kate is just drama. And I don't think she brings out the best in James.
and as for cadberry chocolate, ummm so good.  I used to get it in Vermont all the time. I never had it anywhere else though.  :(
I really enjoyed reading everyone point of view. Very insightfull.  :)

So she makes him better, but doesn't bring out the best in him?  ;)  I loved what you said Mrs. Hume and agree!  Frankly, I'm a little surprised at my girlie Koko for being so resentful about the whole thing lol  For me Jack and Kate deserve each other.  I would want to be stranded on an island with Sawyer and Juliet before I would be stuck with Jack and Kate (granted they are good with guns and tracking, but I couldn't handle all the drama and crying!).  I agree with everyone who has mentioned Sawyers growth; it is amazing, sincere and touching.  He has really come into his own and proves why Lost could not work without him.

Btw, I didn't even notice his hair!  I was busy checking at his dimples, mouth, eyes, body, etc...LOL

Hate the Juliet/Sawyer thing...but saw it coming.
Like Sawyer's hair no matter what anyone else says.
Jack cries.
Kate is a hooker.
Juliet is sneaky.


Waaaaaalt! Waaaaaaaaalt!
(Where did that come from?)

Sorry, it is really late! ::)
Why do you call Kate a hooker, monkey?  We have seen nothing to suggest that she is.  WE have seen Sawyer sleep around more than Kate, and I haven't seen you call him a hooker.  Sexist much?
[colro=deeppink]ROFLMAO!!  you tell him![/color]
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 03:29:32 PM
ROFLMAO!!  you tell him!
Too bad Hatch is female.  ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 03:30:56 PM
Hate the Juliet/Sawyer thing...but saw it coming.
Like Sawyer's hair no matter what anyone else says.
Jack cries.
Kate is a hooker.
Juliet is sneaky.

Waaaaaalt! Waaaaaaaaalt!
(Where did that come from?)

Sorry, it is really late! ::)
Why do you call Kate a hooker, monkey?  We have seen nothing to suggest that she is.  WE have seen Sawyer sleep around more than Kate, and I haven't seen you call him a hooker.  Sexist much?
IMO, Kate uses her sexuality to get what she wants more than any other character on the show. Sawyer used his for a while...but now he's been three years on the island and with Juliet. He's grown (it doesn't make me like Juliet any better, though). Kate, on the other hand, used it to keep Jack from asking about Aaron...then on the plane, gave him the cold shoulder. Now...what, is she going to try to get Sawyer back? Basically, she's still using her sexuality for selfish purposes, and Sawyer is not. At least it seems.

13 pages later, and I think maybe the Juliet/Sawyer thing is starting to seem better than a Kate/Sawyer thing...lesser of the two evils, maybe.

Lay off the Monkey...she said it was late...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 10, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
Hatchmonkey is a women  ::)
Mrs Alpert! are you converting! yay


We were posting at the same time Mrs A :-[
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
Hatchmonkey is a women  ::)
Mrs Alpert! are you converting! yay


We were posting at the same time Mrs A :-[

With the same ideas, too, I'd bet.  ;)

I don't want to be converted! Sigh. I have to watch the episode a few more times, I think. If I still feel sick when I see them waking up together, I know I won't go over to the Sawyer/Juliet shipper side. If the nausea starts to wear off after a few episodes...it's possible.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Souldrinker on March 10, 2009, 03:42:11 PM
Stop arguing about love triangles and squares ::) there is enough Sawyer for all of them ;D

No seriously I think Juliet is the better choice...Kate is too childish in some ways and...
Juliet is a woman while Kate is a girl...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:03:55 PM
I said before in another thread that they all just need to have a big sloppy 4-way.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 04:04:51 PM
You would think my picture would give away my sex....but... ::)  Mrs. Alpert said it exactly right--Kate uses her sexuality for personal gain.  I think Kate sheds a bad light on women--and in girl world...we would whisper "slu*" (I don't know what 'language' is acceptable on here)...that's just the way it is.  And yes, it was late...and I just jumped out there with what came to mind about each character after I read the other posts instead of having to quote each person and respond.

...I stick by my comment though...I'm SO sexist.  :-*
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
You would think my picture would give away my sex....but... ::)  Mrs. Alpert said it exactly right--Kate uses her sexuality for personal gain.  I think Kate sheds a bad light on women--and in girl world...we would whisper "slu*" (I don't know what 'language' is acceptable on here)...that's just the way it is.  And yes, it was late...and I just jumped out there with what came to mind about each character after I read the other posts instead of having to quote each person and respond.

...I stick by my comment though...I'm SO sexist.  :-*

LOL...as long as you know why you stand where you stand, it's all good. I'd always called Sawyer a...similar thing to what you're saying about Kate. Now it looks like he's changed, though. I mean, all those women he conned? And now he's just with Juliet. Kate's still playing the con game.

Personally I think Sawyer needs to be with one of us SWLS women...I mean, we'd treat him right, way better than Kate or Juliet. I'm not nominating myself (see my name), but I'm sure there are plenty of others who would agree with me.

I said before in another thread that they all just need to have a big sloppy 4-way.
I think there would be a fight before anything got started. Kate and Juliet don't like each other, and if Jack saw Sawyer touching Kate he'd probably sucker punch him.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:17:33 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 04:23:58 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:26:11 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 10, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
every mans solution is sex    :D  lol

(oh sorry. is that politically incorrect? now that we seem to have to be politically correct on here suddenly  ::)) 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:36:08 PM
every mans solution is sex    :D  lol

(oh sorry. is that politically incorrect? now that we seem to have to be politically correct on here suddenly  ::)) 

I don't know...I kinda think it's true, too! Let's see how many guys agree with us...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:37:13 PM
admit it ladies, sex is what makes the world go round.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:38:17 PM
admit it ladies, sex is what makes the world go round.

I'll admit it, but I want to see how many guys will agree to our stereotype...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 04:38:58 PM
admit it ladies, sex is what makes the world go round.

I'll admit it, but I want to see how many guys will agree to our stereotype...

And happily agree to it...lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:39:35 PM
admit it ladies, sex is what makes the world go round.

I'll admit it, but I want to see how many guys will agree to our stereotype...

And happily agree to it...lol

LOL! Absolutely...
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 04:39:49 PM
Yeah, it's true. :-[
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:40:16 PM
I agree to it, but as you can see by my previous post, I didn't propose it in the traditional sense. I think outside the box
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Cage match.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Ladybug on March 10, 2009, 04:41:54 PM
ROFLMAO!!  you tell him!
Too bad Hatch is female.  ;D
oh!  i forgot!  her pic doesn't show up when i'm on my work computer.  oops.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:42:15 PM
Yeah, it's true. :-[
No bashful face! You think cause women don't talk about it all the time that we're any different? haha..
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
Yeah, it's true. :-[
No bashful face! You think cause women don't talk about it all the time that we're any different? haha..

Mrs. Alpert...how is it that you are always speaking what's on my mind? lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 10, 2009, 04:44:04 PM
Yeah, it's true. :-[
No bashful face! You think cause women don't talk about it all the time that we're any different? haha..
Oh, I know you're not different.  You're just fortunate enough to be able to use it as a tool for getting things done.  We can't withhold.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:46:14 PM
Yeah, it's true. :-[
No bashful face! You think cause women don't talk about it all the time that we're any different? haha..
Oh, I know you're not different.  You're just fortunate enough to be able to use it as a tool for getting things done.  We can't withhold.
Ah yes, we call that the Kate Trick.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 04:46:55 PM
Yeah, it's true. :-[
No bashful face! You think cause women don't talk about it all the time that we're any different? haha..
Oh, I know you're not different.  You're just fortunate enough to be able to use it as a tool for getting things done.  We can't withhold.
Ah yes, we call that the Kate Trick.

LOL I <3 Mrs. A.  :D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:47:32 PM
Mrs. Alpert...how is it that you are always speaking what's on my mind? lol

Mrs H asked me this once, and the answer we came up with is that we're Attractive Geniuses. So we often think the same genius things.  ;) While being attractive.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:49:23 PM
Mrs. Alpert...how is it that you are always speaking what's on my mind? lol

Mrs H asked me this once, and the answer we came up with is that we're Attractive Geniuses. So we often think the same genius things.  ;) While being attractive.

that is interesting because that is what I am too, It's funny I've never seen you at the meetings.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
Mrs. Alpert...how is it that you are always speaking what's on my mind? lol
Mrs H asked me this once, and the answer we came up with is that we're Attractive Geniuses. So we often think the same genius things.  ;) While being attractive.
that is interesting because that is what I am too, It's funny I've never seen you at the meetings.
That's because I'm the Lady Behind the Curtain....running the whole thing.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:56:23 PM
Ahh, so I see. Well come say hi next time.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 04:57:18 PM
Mrs. Alpert...how is it that you are always speaking what's on my mind? lol
Mrs H asked me this once, and the answer we came up with is that we're Attractive Geniuses. So we often think the same genius things.  ;) While being attractive.
that is interesting because that is what I am too, It's funny I've never seen you at the meetings.
That's because I'm the Lady Behind the Curtain....running the whole thing.

...and I help her her run it... ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 10, 2009, 04:58:38 PM
Yeah, we're often pretty busy back there, making sure everyone is actually Attractive and a Genius. We can't let just anybody in, you know, and everybody wants to be part of the club.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 10, 2009, 05:22:05 PM
rolflmao!! you guuuys!
I love laughing out loud in here while my husband is in the other room going " what? what's so funny"? "what's going on in there?"
Then I asked him, about the topic at hand and he said," heck YEAAH!

See, we know you guys feel like this, we except it, and then use it to our advantage.  ;D(did I say that out loud?! :o)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 10, 2009, 05:24:39 PM
Wow, Mango! Did I miss your coming out? You're British? :)

(sorry to spam you, guys)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 10, 2009, 05:26:33 PM
(lol, that's cute) yup, he's British too!  ;D 
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 10, 2009, 05:35:35 PM
yup, he's British too!  ;D

Well, I shouldn't be surprised. There is a strong representation of Britons in Lost :) Why shouldn't there be one on SLWL :)

From MK with love
golf
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 10, 2009, 07:54:36 PM
Well, I shouldn't be surprised. There is a strong representation of Britons in Lost :) Why shouldn't there be one on SLWL :)

There's a few of us - Brits, that is.  :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 10, 2009, 08:06:04 PM
Koko loves her Brit Lostie Pals!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 10, 2009, 08:23:44 PM
Weeeeelllll, I'm only "painted" Brit  ::) as you can probably work out from my sloppy English (sorry, no cute accent here).
But hope to get my true colours sorted soon.

Anyway, I just like the idea of small world (just to link it somehow to Lost ;) )
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Madam P on March 10, 2009, 08:58:04 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Cage match.

I am absolutely floored that none of the guys have yet suggested that there should be a big mud-puddle in the boxing ring... you know, for Kate and Juliet...   :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 10, 2009, 09:14:15 PM
I don't really care for Kate or Jack...they can have each other.

Amen to that! 


Sawyer and Juliet seem much more natural and REAL. James finally looked happy that last episode...his facial lines weren't as hard and he didn't look all stressed out.

Vickilynn, you live in Winchester?  Beautiful country.  We drive though there all the time.

Yep...been here two years this summer.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 11, 2009, 12:00:50 AM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Cage match.

I was more thinking jello ;D
I am absolutely floored that none of the guys have yet suggested that there should be a big mud-puddle in the boxing ring... you know, for Kate and Juliet...   :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 11, 2009, 01:24:43 AM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Cage match.

I am absolutely floored that none of the guys have yet suggested that there should be a big mud-puddle in the boxing ring... you know, for Kate and Juliet...   :)

That would be amazing
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: E.S.B. on March 11, 2009, 12:24:50 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Cage match.

I am absolutely floored that none of the guys have yet suggested that there should be a big mud-puddle in the boxing ring... you know, for Kate and Juliet...   :)

Wait...   didn't that already happen back in Season 3?!  When Kate and Juliet were handcuffed together?   :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 11, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Nah, i think they'd be one happy non-conventional family unit.
Right... cuz Jack and Sawyer have exhibited no competitiveness thus far.
they could put a boxing ring in the back yard, it would be great.
Cage match.

I am absolutely floored that none of the guys have yet suggested that there should be a big mud-puddle in the boxing ring... you know, for Kate and Juliet...   :)

Wait...   didn't that already happen back in Season 3?!  When Kate and Juliet were handcuffed together?   :)

Yes...I believe there was a bit of a mud-skurkuffle.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 11, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
What's a painted Brit?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 11, 2009, 06:42:02 PM
What's a painted Brit?

Someone living in Britain but not British  :P
That's my own invention I'm affraid. Don't try to look it up in a dictionary.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 11, 2009, 06:43:06 PM
What's a painted Brit?

Someone living in Britain but not British  :P
That's my own invention I'm affraid. Don't try to look it up in a dictionary.

LOL! I was afraid to ask cuz I thought it was like, known!  I never keep up on new words!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 11, 2009, 06:59:10 PM

LOL! I was afraid to ask cuz I thought it was like, known!  I never keep up on new words!

You should never be afraid to ask. :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 11, 2009, 07:08:29 PM

LOL! I was afraid to ask cuz I thought it was like, known!  I never keep up on new words!

You should never be afraid to ask. :)
Thanks golf!  :)   Have you picked up a lot of the English slang. I have a friend from Sheffield and we write back and forth! It's like she's right here talking to me. She even writes in English slang and I LOVE it!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 11, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
I tried to google it first and got nothing.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 11, 2009, 07:42:04 PM
I tried to google it first and got nothing.

Awww lostie!  We were in the same boat!!!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: golfstrom on March 11, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
Isn't this the best forum to confuse/be confused? :)

Thanks KoKo :)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 11, 2009, 08:07:29 PM
Oh heck yes, Lostie. I feel right at home here.  ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostieloo on March 12, 2009, 10:23:18 AM
Thanks y'all.  We need some place to ask questions without feeling self-conscious!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostfromthestart on March 12, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
every mans solution is sex    :D  lol

(oh sorry. is that politically incorrect? now that we seem to have to be politically correct on here suddenly  ::)) 

I don't know...I kinda think it's true, too! Let's see how many guys agree with us...

If only this were true, but it never is.  I mean never.  Just ask my wife.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostfromthestart on March 12, 2009, 11:14:03 AM
So in the end, Sawyer loves them both and can't decide.  They both want him, as well.  So it becomes............. (wait for it).....................




Kasawliet - that hot three way with Sawyer in the middle!!  Can you say ratings hike?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 12, 2009, 11:18:56 AM
So in the end, Sawyer loves them both and can't decide.  They both want him, as well.  So it becomes............. (wait for it).....................




Kasawliet - that hot three way with Sawyer in the middle!!  Can you say ratings hike?

Deja vu...I think I read this somewhere before?  ;)

(Am I time traveling also?)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostfromthestart on March 12, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
"These aren't the droids you're looking for......."   (waving hand before your eyes)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 12, 2009, 04:53:35 PM
You did hear it before, only I said 4 way including Jack in the mix.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Shakey on March 12, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
You did hear it before, only I said 4 way including Jack in the mix.
Actually, lostfromthestart made the exact same post in the thread "When does Sawyer comeback"... that's what vicki was referring to.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 12, 2009, 05:05:49 PM
well I said it on march 5th in the Love The On Your With thread so  :P

we are being judged on this right ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 12, 2009, 05:17:41 PM
well I said it on march 5th in the Love The On Your With thread so  :P

we are being judged on this right ;D

It is important to keep our facts straight!

If we didn't have the hiatus we would have more topics by now; I've given up trying to speculate who Sawyer will get/stay with, and who Amy's baby is!  ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 12, 2009, 08:35:42 PM
No kidding... I'm almost bored with all these threads.  :-[
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 12, 2009, 09:32:44 PM
No kidding... I'm almost bored with all these threads.  :-[

We should start bizarre rumors then.  Spice it up a little.  Sure we'll get all our facts confused, but then again, the show is called "LOST".  How much more lost can we get?

I've noticed that Sawyer has become quite affectionate toward Hurley....hmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 12, 2009, 09:41:04 PM
No kidding... I'm almost bored with all these threads.  :-[
We should start bizarre rumors then.  Spice it up a little.  Sure we'll get all our facts confused, but then again, the show is called "LOST".  How much more lost can we get?

I've noticed that Sawyer has become quite affectionate toward Hurley....hmmmmmmm.

LOL! I even wrote up a fake recap of what last night's episode should have been:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8962.msg510818#msg510818

We can talk about that like it really happened!!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: vickilynn on March 12, 2009, 10:21:40 PM
No kidding... I'm almost bored with all these threads.  :-[
We should start bizarre rumors then.  Spice it up a little.  Sure we'll get all our facts confused, but then again, the show is called "LOST".  How much more lost can we get?

I've noticed that Sawyer has become quite affectionate toward Hurley....hmmmmmmm.

LOL! I even wrote up a fake recap of what last night's episode should have been:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8962.msg510818#msg510818

We can talk about that like it really happened!!

Jack and Kate go for dinner at Sawyer and Juliet's home. Sawyer pours Kate a glass of Dharma wine, "Mmmmm, it's so good to be back," she murmers as she looks meaningfully into his eyes. Jack and Juliet exchange a glance of their own....'70's key party, anyone?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on March 13, 2009, 07:32:09 AM
if you cant be with the one you love, love the one you're with.

but you know what? i had a major crush on a guy just before i settled down with my man, and i bumped into him 10 years later and the spark was still there, i felt like a giggley school girl. I bet sawyer and kate feel the same way - they know it aint gonna happen coz they've moved on, but the passion and buzz they got off the flirting is obviously stil there!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 13, 2009, 11:19:48 AM
if you cant be with the one you love, love the one you're with.

but you know what? i had a major crush on a guy just before i settled down with my man, and i bumped into him 10 years later and the spark was still there, i felt like a giggley school girl. I bet sawyer and kate feel the same way - they know it aint gonna happen coz they've moved on, but the passion and buzz they got off the flirting is obviously stil there!

Ooooh....I think something's gunna happen! ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: JBRam on March 18, 2009, 01:56:10 AM
every mans solution is sex    :D  lol

(oh sorry. is that politically incorrect? now that we seem to have to be politically correct on here suddenly  ::)) 

I don't know...I kinda think it's true, too! Let's see how many guys agree with us...
Yeah, it's true. :-[
No bashful face! You think cause women don't talk about it all the time that we're any different? haha..
Ok, for some reason, I really like this post :D

Anyways, I agree that most guys solve things with sex, but that's only because it works so well! ;D
So in the end, Sawyer loves them both and can't decide.  They both want him, as well.  So it becomes............. (wait for it).....................

Kasawliet - that hot three way with Sawyer in the middle!!  Can you say ratings hike?

Deja vu...I think I read this somewhere before?  ;)

(Am I time traveling also?)
Yeah, I talked about a ratings hike if Kate and Juliet hooked up.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Harry Erickson on March 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
I love the new Julier, something about a con man like Sawyer actuelly acting mature gives me some sort of respect towards him, if skate starts again im gonna fly to Hawaii, by a gun, run down Evangeline Lilly and then shoot her at least 25 times to make sure she's dead.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 18, 2009, 06:15:24 AM
I love the new Julier, something about a con man like Sawyer actuelly acting mature gives me some sort of respect towards him, if skate starts again im gonna fly to Hawaii, by a gun, run down Evangeline Lilly and then shoot her at least 25 times to make sure she's dead.

hmmm...creepy.

I think Sawyer and Kate make more sense together...and at least they have chemistry on-screen.  Juliet and Sawyer have NO chemistry at all...it's like seeing siblings kiss...awkward and gross.

And, is it just me or are all the nicknames like "Skate" getting obnoxious.  So many people around here use them..and it drives me up the wall. lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: grizn0 on March 18, 2009, 09:32:25 AM
I love the new Julier, something about a con man like Sawyer actuelly acting mature gives me some sort of respect towards him, if skate starts again im gonna fly to Hawaii, by a gun, run down Evangeline Lilly and then shoot her at least 25 times to make sure she's dead.

hmmm...creepy.

I think Sawyer and Kate make more sense together...and at least they have chemistry on-screen.  Juliet and Sawyer have NO chemistry at all...it's like seeing siblings kiss...awkward and gross.

And, is it just me or are all the nicknames like "Skate" getting obnoxious.  So many people around here use them..and it drives me up the wall. lol

Agreed. The real life ones are even worse.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 18, 2009, 12:42:12 PM
I love the new Julier, something about a con man like Sawyer actuelly acting mature gives me some sort of respect towards him, if skate starts again im gonna fly to Hawaii, by a gun, run down Evangeline Lilly and then shoot her at least 25 times to make sure she's dead.

hmmm...creepy.

I think Sawyer and Kate make more sense together...and at least they have chemistry on-screen.  Juliet and Sawyer have NO chemistry at all...it's like seeing siblings kiss...awkward and gross.

And, is it just me or are all the nicknames like "Skate" getting obnoxious.  So many people around here use them..and it drives me up the wall. lol

HM, we are soooo on the same page here!!  And I completely agree! I do not see any chemistry with Juliet and Sawyer. It just doesn't work for me at all. Totally unconvincing.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 18, 2009, 02:53:54 PM
I love the new Julier, something about a con man like Sawyer actuelly acting mature gives me some sort of respect towards him, if skate starts again im gonna fly to Hawaii, by a gun, run down Evangeline Lilly and then shoot her at least 25 times to make sure she's dead.

hmmm...creepy.

I think Sawyer and Kate make more sense together...and at least they have chemistry on-screen.  Juliet and Sawyer have NO chemistry at all...it's like seeing siblings kiss...awkward and gross.

And, is it just me or are all the nicknames like "Skate" getting obnoxious.  So many people around here use them..and it drives me up the wall. lol

HM, we are soooo on the same page here!!  And I completely agree! I do not see any chemistry with Juliet and Sawyer. It just doesn't work for me at all. Totally unconvincing.

How did I know that you would be on my side on this issue? lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: grizn0 on March 18, 2009, 03:16:56 PM
Maybe I need to be more in touch with my feminine side to understand these things...

I had no problem with Juliet and Sawyer and it seemed perfectly logical and natural to me. Going to be stuck here for god knows how long... only chick I know half decently is Juliet... she's seemingly the only girl around thats not married... had that little "You're gonna leave me here with them?" moment... yeah, I'd go for Juliet if I was in Saywer's shoes. I mean, she's not "I'd drink her bath water" hot, but she's a looker no doubt.

I know there was someone's post I read earlier that basically said she was ugly as sin... to you sir I say balderdash!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 18, 2009, 03:44:20 PM
Maybe I need to be more in touch with my feminine side to understand these things...

I had no problem with Juliet and Sawyer and it seemed perfectly logical and natural to me. Going to be stuck here for god knows how long... only chick I know half decently is Juliet... she's seemingly the only girl around thats not married... had that little "You're gonna leave me here with them?" moment... yeah, I'd go for Juliet if I was in Saywer's shoes. I mean, she's not "I'd drink her bath water" hot, but she's a looker no doubt.

I know there was someone's post I read earlier that basically said she was ugly as sin... to you sir I say balderdash!

Juliette is not unattractive at all. In fact I think she is very pretty. But I just don't see the chemistry between her and Sawyer.  That's all. There's no...sizzle for lack of better words.  And I know it's not supposed to be all about just that but it just seemed...weird.    Well, there are those who are okay with this twist of events, and others who aren't. We'll just have to agree to disagree!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 18, 2009, 03:46:02 PM
Maybe I need to be more in touch with my feminine side to understand these things...

I had no problem with Juliet and Sawyer and it seemed perfectly logical and natural to me. Going to be stuck here for god knows how long... only chick I know half decently is Juliet... she's seemingly the only girl around thats not married... had that little "You're gonna leave me here with them?" moment... yeah, I'd go for Juliet if I was in Saywer's shoes. I mean, she's not "I'd drink her bath water" hot, but she's a looker no doubt.

I know there was someone's post I read earlier that basically said she was ugly as sin... to you sir I say balderdash!

that was probably Bobx. sounds just like something he would say. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong)
But I agree with you. I like James with Juliet. and the man he has become with her. Kate is drama and problems and baby games. I mean who that heck would trust her?! Not even on a desert Island! lol (or WHATEVER it is) ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 18, 2009, 05:32:55 PM
Maybe I need to be more in touch with my feminine side to understand these things...

I had no problem with Juliet and Sawyer and it seemed perfectly logical and natural to me. Going to be stuck here for god knows how long... only chick I know half decently is Juliet... she's seemingly the only girl around thats not married... had that little "You're gonna leave me here with them?" moment... yeah, I'd go for Juliet if I was in Saywer's shoes. I mean, she's not "I'd drink her bath water" hot, but she's a looker no doubt.

I know there was someone's post I read earlier that basically said she was ugly as sin... to you sir I say balderdash!


Juliette is not unattractive at all. In fact I think she is very pretty. But I just don't see the chemistry between her and Sawyer.  That's all. There's no...sizzle for lack of better words.  And I know it's not supposed to be all about just that but it just seemed...weird.    Well, there are those who are okay with this twist of events, and others who aren't. We'll just have to agree to disagree!
as near as i can tell, it's just you and Aimee from Little Rock (listen to The Lost Initiative podcast if you don't know who that is)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 18, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
Maybe I need to be more in touch with my feminine side to understand these things...

I had no problem with Juliet and Sawyer and it seemed perfectly logical and natural to me. Going to be stuck here for god knows how long... only chick I know half decently is Juliet... she's seemingly the only girl around thats not married... had that little "You're gonna leave me here with them?" moment... yeah, I'd go for Juliet if I was in Saywer's shoes. I mean, she's not "I'd drink her bath water" hot, but she's a looker no doubt.

I know there was someone's post I read earlier that basically said she was ugly as sin... to you sir I say balderdash!


I agree with her....No sizzle what-so-ever.
as near as i can tell, it's just you and Aimee from Little Rock (listen to The Lost Initiative podcast if you don't know who that is)
Juliette is not unattractive at all. In fact I think she is very pretty. But I just don't see the chemistry between her and Sawyer.  That's all. There's no...sizzle for lack of better words.  And I know it's not supposed to be all about just that but it just seemed...weird.    Well, there are those who are okay with this twist of events, and others who aren't. We'll just have to agree to disagree!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: lostandfree on March 18, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
Well it has been three years.  Maybe the sizzle has fizzled (ha ha) a little and is now just a comfort with each other.  They still love each other but the sparks are not big enough to see to us outsiders.  I think they were believable and I do like them better than Kate and Sawyer because of the person Sawyer has become with Juliet.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 20, 2009, 08:32:38 PM
From last week's Namaste episode, it seemed that the sizzle did seem a little fizzled between Juliette and Sawyer! (lol, I liked that lost and free!)   But the fleeting glances that Sawyer and Kate have exchanged seem pretty sizzly to me. Whether or not we as a group like the match ups, looks like whatever drama is gonna happen is gonna happen!!!

Ooooo and I can hardly wait!!!  Diabolical chuckle.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 20, 2009, 09:33:53 PM
It looked more to me like he was looking at her like "I know what you are thinking, and I'm sorry but I'm with her now", the kind of way you look at an still friends ex girlfriend who clearly still wants to get with you, but you are with someone else.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: MangoBingo on March 21, 2009, 09:35:39 PM
I wanna know what was going through Jack's mind when Juliet came to the door and they chatted.

For a minute there, I thought that Jack was going to say something really inappropriate whilst Sawyer was listening, in the lounge.

Jack is a bit of a man-slut. He'd only been with Kate a night or two before!  :o
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 22, 2009, 12:18:26 AM
It looked more to me like he was looking at her like "I know what you are thinking, and I'm sorry but I'm with her now", the kind of way you look at an still friends ex girlfriend who clearly still wants to get with you, but you are with someone else.

Seemed kinda wistful to me. Well, I guess we'll find out soon!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 22, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
KoKo, I'm sorry, but Juliet is growing on me...ug. As much as I dislike the secretive/catty Juliet of Others fame, I really do like the open person she seems to be becoming again. When she was talking to Amy, she was using similar hand gestures and genuinely smiling like she did around her sister back in Miami. Her expressions are much more...well, open and genuine, I think. She was more likable in this episode than the last, for sure.  And coming in at the very last minute to save Kate from Suspicious Phil? I think any woman would have done the same, lol.

Still not convinced she and Sawyer should be together, but at least they seemed to interact like a real couple in Namaste. It didn't feel as forced and awkward as in LaFleur.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 26, 2009, 02:20:04 PM
KoKo, I'm sorry, but Juliet is growing on me...ug. As much as I dislike the secretive/catty Juliet of Others fame, I really do like the open person she seems to be becoming again. When she was talking to Amy, she was using similar hand gestures and genuinely smiling like she did around her sister back in Miami. Her expressions are much more...well, open and genuine, I think. She was more likable in this episode than the last, for sure.  And coming in at the very last minute to save Kate from Suspicious Phil? I think any woman would have done the same, lol.

Still not convinced she and Sawyer should be together, but at least they seemed to interact like a real couple in Namaste. It didn't feel as forced and awkward as in LaFleur.

LOL! It's okay Mrs. A.   For some reason this week, I felt more used to the Sawyer/Juliette thing.  Dang woman is growing on me too. As you said, she is seemingly more geniune.  I never really had anything against her personally to begin with. In fact, I really liked her character but I liked her with Jack.  I thought, finally, a good match for the guy. I think that's why I was so bummed out at the twist of relationships going awry. But I def never was a Jack and Kate fan. In the beginning of the series, yes, but as the show progressed I thought, MISMATCH!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 26, 2009, 06:34:50 PM
Yay! two more possibly converting!
I have to admit. when sawyer swam up to Juliette after the freighter blew up and everyone was saying ooh sawyer and Juliette. i was like no way, they are two totally different people it would never happen let alone work, but then when i saw them on the island during the time flashes and how he listened to her and was more respectful to her than anyone else, I thought OK, maybe. anyone but Kate.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 26, 2009, 06:38:47 PM
I have always just felt bad for Juliette, I feel like she was thrust into a really bad situation, and did the best she could. She fell for Jack and that clearly was going no where because of his feelings for Kate, and I felt the same way about Sawyer with the way Kate jerked him around, only using him for sex when she was depressed, knowing that he had feelings for her. So I am very glad that they are together, they deserve each other way more than Kate deserves Sawyer, and Jack Deserves Juliette.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: KoKoNut on March 26, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
I have always just felt bad for Juliette, I feel like she was thrust into a really bad situation, and did the best she could. She fell for Jack and that clearly was going no where because of his feelings for Kate, and I felt the same way about Sawyer with the way Kate jerked him around, only using him for sex when she was depressed, knowing that he had feelings for her. So I am very glad that they are together, they deserve each other way more than Kate deserves Sawyer, and Jack Deserves Juliette.

Well when ya put it that way hyper, I really can understand that! 

Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 26, 2009, 08:07:06 PM
I have always just felt bad for Juliette, I feel like she was thrust into a really bad situation, and did the best she could. She fell for Jack and that clearly was going no where because of his feelings for Kate, and I felt the same way about Sawyer with the way Kate jerked him around, only using him for sex when she was depressed, knowing that he had feelings for her. So I am very glad that they are together, they deserve each other way more than Kate deserves Sawyer, and Jack Deserves Juliette.

I'm rooting for them to split. My husband is rooting for them to stick together.

It's a wacky world.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 08:17:15 PM
I have more sympathy for Juliet as a person pre-island. But when she gets all secretive...blah. I'd take flighty Kate over manipulative Juliet any day. Even when Kate's good, she's not very good. Juliet has a little more humanity in her.

I don't think either of them are good for Sawyer, but dang it, nice Juliet is growing on me! Grrr!! Especially what she said to Kate in the motor pool, and how she said it.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 26, 2009, 08:45:38 PM
you are coming around.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 08:46:59 PM
I don't want to though! I don't want to be wishy-washy... :-\
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 26, 2009, 08:48:09 PM
it's not wishy washy to realize that you were totally wrong and admit it and come over to the good side ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 26, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
Granted, Juliet seems to be changing, as are all the characters so maybe I can get away with saying that my less-hatred of her is because she's grown the past few episodes.

Generally I go to the side that has cookies, good or bad. I was told the dark side has cookies. Hence, my defense of Ben.  ::)
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: hyperform on March 26, 2009, 08:51:07 PM
the cookies side is always the good side.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:13:30 AM
fine, I'll give you cookies little girl, it's ok, just come on over to the Juliette and sawyer side, it's reeeally niiiice overrrr heeeear , really nice ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 01:15:16 AM
And...I think I'll stop reading your posts Mrs H until after I finish eating dinner... LOL!

What kind of cookies are they?
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:17:11 AM
they are... ummm .... what kind do you like? ...  They're those!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:18:21 AM
And...I think I'll stop reading your posts Mrs H until after I finish eating dinner... LOL!

What kind of cookies are they?

see, no one is going to get that unless they saw our other posts in the other thread! lol
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 01:20:08 AM
Oh no! Those are my favorite kinds of cookies! AHHHHHH!!! I LIKE JULIET!!!! lol...

And...I think I'll stop reading your posts Mrs H until after I finish eating dinner... LOL!

What kind of cookies are they?

see, no one is going to get that unless they saw our other posts in the other thread! lol
That's alright. I'll catch people up:
Mrs H said something hilarious in the SOOOOO Ben killed his dad right right am I right thread, and I nearly spat out my mashed potatoes.

You've been caught up.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 01:24:52 AM
ok, you have to stop!!!!!  I'm getting a headache from laughing so hard between this thread and the "OTHER" thread. seriously I'm in tears. :'( ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 27, 2009, 01:30:07 AM
Ah! And my belly hurts from laughing...that means we did it right, Mrs H. I think I'm drained of funny anyway. Sigh. Good times, good times.  ;D
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: LostinAlaska on March 27, 2009, 03:52:04 AM
Now I figured they were going to throw Saywer and Juliet together and I wasn't sure I liked the idea but after watching tonight's episode I have to say I really do like them together.  Their relationship shows a certain maturity to it than the ones they "had" with Kate and Jack.  Being together for 3 years gave them an opportunity to really grow to love each other and you saw that in the tenderness in the scenes.  As much as I was a Sawyer-Kate fan I kind of want Saywer to stay with Juliet now that Kate's back.

I COMPLETELY agree. I even thought this same thing to myself, how they made it work and they just seemed alright together. Thanks CnC!
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: opgelost on March 27, 2009, 07:54:59 AM
They soon will get a little boy, who has been shot, to take care of.
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 27, 2009, 02:52:05 PM
or Amy will. :-\
Title: Re: Sawyer and Juliet
Post by: LostinLock on March 28, 2009, 01:51:52 PM
They soon will get a little boy, who has been shot, to take care of.

umm is that fact?