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Title: Richard needing the body?
Post by: taki1379 on March 04, 2009, 11:32:53 PM
Why did Richard need Paul's body?
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: matahari on March 04, 2009, 11:35:55 PM
Locke had to do this with his father's body. He had to prove something to the others.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Roman122 on March 04, 2009, 11:36:30 PM
to send it out to a burial at sea, like Colleen?
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: jugdish on March 04, 2009, 11:38:02 PM
The others wanted payback for their guys being killed. He had to bring proof.
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Post by: Folly529 on March 04, 2009, 11:42:38 PM
I thought it was proof, too, but bodies seem to be awfully important in a couple of different places - Locke's father, Christian, Emi (Eko's brother), and of course, Locke himself.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Maxor127 on March 04, 2009, 11:42:47 PM
When Amy said she and Horace had a fight about Paul, it made me think they she was seeing his ghost and maybe Richard had a hand in that.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Still_lost06 on March 04, 2009, 11:58:26 PM
It could be for proof I guess but I think it would be much more interesting if it turns out that the whispers we hear once in a while really ARE the people who died on the island.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: WG?JIFFY on March 05, 2009, 12:17:06 AM
I think the "eye for an eye" thing is what it is for. 

They may be canibals too and just want a bite to eat.  LOL
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Bostonlost on March 05, 2009, 12:32:26 AM
Why did those two hostiles kill Paul if there was a truce?

and were they kidd knapping Amy?......
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 05, 2009, 12:36:40 AM
Why did those two hostiles kill Paul if there was a truce?

and were they kidd knapping Amy?......

thats another thing too.. we dont know the situation that sawyer and them came up to amy...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on March 05, 2009, 01:13:23 AM
If the two Others did kill Paul for no good reason, and thus were the instigators in breaking the truce, I'm a bit surprised that Richard didn't take more responsibility for their actions.  Which suggests two possibilities:
   1) Richard is not in total control of his people, or factions of his people.
   2) The two Others did this on orders for Richard.  Which begs the question: why kidnap Amy?  Only if she is more valuable that she otherwise was made to appear.  Or, the Others were looking to grab the baby, i.e. the baby is valuable.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: arkay on March 05, 2009, 02:03:56 AM
Other body considerations:
- bodies of the kidnappers HAD to be burried, 'how deep did you bury them' Horace asked Sawyer.  WHY? 
- Nikki and Paulo, let us not forget the WORST episode in this saga. 

bodies are IMPORTANT.
perhaps they come back to life?  Nikki and Paulo might be a foreshadowing of that. 

What say you?
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 05, 2009, 02:07:18 AM
Other body considerations:
- bodies of the kidnappers HAD to be burried, 'how deep did you bury them' Horace asked Sawyer.  WHY? 
- Nikki and Paulo, let us not forget the WORST episode in this saga. 

bodies are IMPORTANT.
perhaps they come back to life?  Nikki and Paulo might be a foreshadowing of that. 

What say you?

They had to be burried because there was a truce.  They could not just leave them there because they would find them.  Horace asked Sawyer how deep they were burried to be sure Richard would not find them.  Nikki and Paulo will not be brought up again in this show.  TPTB realize they made a big mistake by introducing new characters in the way they introduced them.

by the way.  I didn't like Nikki and Paulo but their episode was actually pretty good.  I mean they connected them in the things we already saw in the show very well.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 02:09:59 AM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Bostonlost on March 05, 2009, 02:47:16 AM
Looking at a old transcipt from .......The Man Behind the Curtain


RICHARD: What you got there?

BEN: It's a birthday present. Mine just happens to be today. You do remember birthdays, don't you Richard?


What do you think this meant back then? Pretty funny now
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Blitz Wing on March 05, 2009, 02:58:41 AM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I also like that episode....it was funny how Nikki and Paulo found everything way before the Losties did.

Razzle Dazzle!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 03:09:52 AM
I think that if they hadn't tried so hard to force those characters in so quickly we might have accepted them eventually.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 05, 2009, 03:13:32 AM
I think that if they hadn't tried so hard to force those characters in so quickly we might have accepted them eventually.

i agree with you... that eventually they would have done somethign to earn our trust... the people spoke out too soon i thin kthis time. even in that episode... Locke eve nsays to Palo..." whatevers buried on this island doesnt stay buried for long"
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 05, 2009, 03:39:50 AM
I think the greatest thing that TPTB could do in this series is make Adam and Eve be Paulo and Nikki somehow.  That would piss so many hardcore fans off that it would be totally worth it.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 03:43:35 AM
I think the greatest thing that TPTB could do in this series is make Adam and Eve be Paulo and Nikki somehow.  That would piss so many hardcore fans off that it would be totally worth it.

No way, if tptb pull that off, they will be immortalized to me. That would take so much hard work, I don't know if I'd still hate Nikki & Paulo anymore...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Astriastar on March 05, 2009, 04:27:03 AM
If the two Others did kill Paul for no good reason, and thus were the instigators in breaking the truce, I'm a bit surprised that Richard didn't take more responsibility for their actions.  Which suggests two possibilities:
   1) Richard is not in total control of his people, or factions of his people.
   2) The two Others did this on orders for Richard.  Which begs the question: why kidnap Amy?  Only if she is more valuable that she otherwise was made to appear.  Or, the Others were looking to grab the baby, i.e. the baby is valuable.

What baby?  She wasn't pregnant at that time.  She gave birth 3 years later.  No, I think that if they were kidnapping her, it was because they wanted her.  Maybe it was lust?  Saw a hot chick out there, killed her man, and then took her away... kind of caveman-ish.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 04:30:46 AM
Why did those two hostiles kill Paul if there was a truce?

and were they kidd knapping Amy?......

thats another thing too.. we dont know the situation that sawyer and them came up to amy...

My husband thinks that Amy killed her husband...we don't know the situation at all, is right.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 04:34:43 AM
The Others must've been there in the presence of her killing her husband because they were there too fast to have just heard gunshots and appeared to throw a bag over her head.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 05, 2009, 04:36:10 AM
They could have been trying to take her.  He tried to stop them so they killed him.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 04:37:22 AM
The Others must've been there in the presence of her killing her husband because they were there too fast to have just heard gunshots and appeared to throw a bag over her head.

If they had been there...Juliet and Sawyer killed them before they had the chance to say anything.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: opgelost on March 05, 2009, 07:24:24 AM
I thought it was proof, too, but bodies seem to be awfully important in a couple of different places - Locke's father, Christian, Emi (Eko's brother), and of course, Locke himself.

I also believe that bodies are important. Amy insisted on bringing Paul's body to the barracks immediatly.
In what time did Charlotte's body stay? In four toed statue time? Or did she die before and is it in
the time that Locke went in the well?
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 05, 2009, 12:41:54 PM
Other body considerations:
- bodies of the kidnappers HAD to be burried, 'how deep did you bury them' Horace asked Sawyer.  WHY? 
- Nikki and Paulo, let us not forget the WORST episode in this saga. 

bodies are IMPORTANT.
perhaps they come back to life?  Nikki and Paulo might be a foreshadowing of that. 

What say you?

Worst episode ever?? Are you kidding me?? Nikki and Paulo getting buried alive was awesome. I'm so glad that TPTB not only listened to the fans and killed them off, but did it in such an awesome way. Which makes me think that Ben totally killed Penny to pieces because that's just like them to do that.

As for Richard needing the body, I don't think it was for proof that he was dead, because Sawyer told him that the truce wasn't broken. Seemed more like they were trying to prevent something happening to it, like (as some of us have theorized about) Smokey getting to it and using it as a host/model.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 12:51:59 PM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.
"Razzle-Dazzle" killed that episode from the first minute on screen. I agree it was one of the lowest points in the series.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 01:04:26 PM
Someone was saying on another thread (help me if you find it) that in the I Ching, bodies can't be buried because the spirits will come back to haunt people....so the bodies have to be cremated, like the way the Others did. Richard didn't want anybody else haunting the island.

Grrr...wish I could find it now... if this is your theory, please expand on this idea!

Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Madam P on March 05, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
It wasn't my theory, but I am in line with this.  I think bodies are important for some reason, and it's important how you treat them after somebody dies.  I would guess it has something to do with either Smokey "inhabiting" them or some haunting or whatever...  remember Danielle's buddies -- they were definitely not themselves!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 05, 2009, 03:46:18 PM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I also like that episode....it was funny how Nikki and Paulo found everything way before the Losties did.

Razzle Dazzle!


when ever I do something very unimpressive or uninspiring, I always throw a "RAZZLE-DAZZLE!!" on the end of it.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 05, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
And everyone looks at you like you're the weirdest person alive.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 05, 2009, 04:23:12 PM
And everyone looks at you like you're the weirdest person alive.

they do that anyway.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Gutterball94 on March 05, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
Someone was saying on another thread (help me if you find it) that in the I Ching, bodies can't be buried because the spirits will come back to haunt people....so the bodies have to be cremated, like the way the Others did. Richard didn't want anybody else haunting the island.

Grrr...wish I could find it now... if this is your theory, please expand on this idea!

I was looking for something along these lines. This was an idea I had as well. This is, perhaps, why the Others send the bodies of their dead into the sea. There is some significance behind all of this and I firmly believe that it has to do with the spirit/ghost stuff that we see from Christian and others like him.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: MangoBingo on March 05, 2009, 04:42:25 PM
Yeah, I think it was for proof that "justice had been done" - and yeah, I think the body was going to be "recycled" in some way.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8066.msg415018#msg415018
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 04:52:58 PM
Yeah, I think it was for proof that "justice had been done" - and yeah, I think the body was going to be "recycled" in some way.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8066.msg415018#msg415018

Oh jeez MB I just got chills when I read "recycled"....brrrrrr! CREEPED OUT!!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: MangoBingo on March 05, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
Yeah, I think it was for proof that "justice had been done" - and yeah, I think the body was going to be "recycled" in some way.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8066.msg415018#msg415018

Oh jeez MB I just got chills when I read "recycled"....brrrrrr! CREEPED OUT!!

You're easily creeped-out!

Anyway... Did anybody get the impression that this wasn't the first time that Richard had asked for a dead body? Horace seemed very matter-of-fact about the whole situation. I know that he wouldn't have wanted to display his own shock, so that Amy wouldn't be too traumatised; but even so...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Maxor127 on March 05, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
I figured Richard wanted the body as proof that "justice" had been served.  Kind of like eye for an eye.
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Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 05, 2009, 09:56:37 PM
I stayed home all day and did absolutely nothing...RAZZLE-DAZZLE!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: taki1379 on March 05, 2009, 10:05:14 PM
Someone was saying on another thread (help me if you find it) that in the I Ching, bodies can't be buried because the spirits will come back to haunt people....so the bodies have to be cremated, like the way the Others did. Richard didn't want anybody else haunting the island.

Grrr...wish I could find it now... if this is your theory, please expand on this idea!



What about the pit of bodies during the purge. That's a lot of ghosts.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Novashannon on March 05, 2009, 10:10:51 PM
Some bodies come back, if their work is not done.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 05, 2009, 10:12:09 PM
Someone was saying on another thread (help me if you find it) that in the I Ching, bodies can't be buried because the spirits will come back to haunt people....so the bodies have to be cremated, like the way the Others did. Richard didn't want anybody else haunting the island.

Grrr...wish I could find it now... if this is your theory, please expand on this idea!
What about the pit of bodies during the purge. That's a lot of ghosts.

Hence...it being helpful if whoever came up with this idea would help me out with a little more information, lol!  ;)

Then why the ceremony when Pickett's wife dies? And why does Richard need the bodies of Paul as well as the 2 others? Maybe Paul's body is proof, and the Others' bodies are for proper...disposal of their own people? There's clearly something strange going on here.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: tonysee200x on March 05, 2009, 11:19:04 PM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I still laugh when I think that Paulo big moment was using the bathroom in the Pearl <ha>

Now the episode about Jack Tattoos, now that was an awful episode. Especially after all the commercials leading up to it saying how "a big secret of the island would be revealed" -- and they were talking about Jack's tattoos -- WHO CARES....
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: patrixmith on March 05, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
Why did those two hostiles kill Paul if there was a truce?

and were they kidd knapping Amy?......

thats another thing too.. we dont know the situation that sawyer and them came up to amy...

My husband thinks that Amy killed her husband...we don't know the situation at all, is right.

I like this idea... She didn't seem all that upset at first. Even Sawyer thought it was just her friend, until she said "This was my husband."
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 05, 2009, 11:34:57 PM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I still laugh when I think that Paulo big moment was using the bathroom in the Pearl <ha>

Now the episode about Jack Tattoos, now that was an awful episode. Especially after all the commercials leading up to it saying how "a big secret of the island would be revealed" -- and they were talking about Jack's tattoos -- WHO CARES....

say what you want about Stranger in a Strange Land, but Bai Ling looked hot in that episode. ;D
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: tonysee200x on March 05, 2009, 11:53:58 PM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I still laugh when I think that Paulo big moment was using the bathroom in the Pearl <ha>

Now the episode about Jack Tattoos, now that was an awful episode. Especially after all the commercials leading up to it saying how "a big secret of the island would be revealed" -- and they were talking about Jack's tattoos -- WHO CARES....

say what you want about Stranger in a Strange Land, but Bai Ling looked hot in that episode. ;D

OK, but Nikki was hot also
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 12:02:43 AM
Only if you like girls solely for their boobs. She had no other impressive qualities.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 12:07:08 AM
Her teeth were really straight...??
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 12:12:14 AM
So overrated.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 01:29:28 AM
So overrated.

yeah but haven't we established that JB doesn't find any woman attractive.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 01:45:46 AM
JB doesn't find any woman attractive, and yet he has like, 500 restraining orders? Why does he stalk, then?
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 01:47:37 AM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Maxor127 on March 06, 2009, 01:57:18 AM
I was going to say Buffalo Dick as in Buffalo Richard like Buffalo Bill (the villain in Silence of the Lambs) but that nickname just sounds wrong.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 02:06:57 AM
I was going to say Buffalo Dick as in Buffalo Richard like Buffalo Bill (the villain in Silence of the Lambs) but that nickname just sounds wrong.

LMAO! That's so wrong... *shudder *
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Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 06, 2009, 03:47:00 AM
 :o

Being compared to a psycho, so uncool.  Ruuuuuudeeee.

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Post by: BobBX542 on March 06, 2009, 12:45:01 PM
I stayed home all day and did absolutely nothing...RAZZLE-DAZZLE!

Exactly.

So overrated.

For once you and I agree on something. She is nasty. But now is not the time or the place for this...IS IT LIL??
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 06, 2009, 05:45:25 PM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I still laugh when I think that Paulo big moment was using the bathroom in the Pearl <ha>

Now the episode about Jack Tattoos, now that was an awful episode. Especially after all the commercials leading up to it saying how "a big secret of the island would be revealed" -- and they were talking about Jack's tattoos -- WHO CARES....

I thought at the time, rightly so, the sherrif was reffering to ben while speaking about Jacks Tatoo,

"He walks among us but is not one of us"

and the whole sentence the camera was on Ben, to show he was not exactly an "other"
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BurkRoyer on March 06, 2009, 05:53:57 PM
They need bodies to sacrifice to Smokey... or to make Zoombies out of...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 08:04:16 PM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
That's cold, dude.

Emilie de Ravin is hot.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 06, 2009, 08:32:17 PM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
That's cold, dude.

Emilie de Ravin is hot.

Once again, we agree. Everybody is up on Kate's pointy face, and no one even noticed Claire or Sun.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 10:02:14 PM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
That's cold, dude.

Emilie de Ravin is hot.

Once again, we agree. Everybody is up on Kate's pointy face, and no one even noticed Claire or Sun.
So true. Kate is not the hottest chick on the island (don't let Juggy see that)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 10:09:33 PM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
That's cold, dude.

Emilie de Ravin is hot.

Once again, we agree. Everybody is up on Kate's pointy face, and no one even noticed Claire or Sun.
So true. Kate is not the hottest chick on the island (don't let Juggy see that)


I'm just messing with you man, since this is not the first time that I have noted that you don't find certain women on the show attractive, I just think it's funny that, (as we all know how this world works, that you have to be an attractive woman for the most part to make it in tv or movies, it doesn't mean I like it or am for it, thats just the way the world works) and I always seem to see you talking about how disgusting the women on this show are, not that I disagree with you , just maybe not to the extent that you say it, but I don't totally disagree.

I still say I wouldn't kick any of them out of my bed for having crumbs in it.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 10:18:05 PM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
That's cold, dude.

Emilie de Ravin is hot.

Once again, we agree. Everybody is up on Kate's pointy face, and no one even noticed Claire or Sun.
So true. Kate is not the hottest chick on the island (don't let Juggy see that)


I'm just messing with you man, since this is not the first time that I have noted that you don't find certain women on the show attractive, I just think it's funny that, (as we all know how this world works, that you have to be an attractive woman for the most part to make it in tv or movies, it doesn't mean I like it or am for it, thats just the way the world works) and I always seem to see you talking about how disgusting the women on this show are, not that I disagree with you , just maybe not to the extent that you say it, but I don't totally disagree.

I still say I wouldn't kick any of them out of my bed for having crumbs in it.
No issues here. I'd even let Danielle stay in my bed... Although I'd rather have younger Danielle. She's not bad for a Frenchie ;)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 10:19:24 PM
if you don't mind unshaved pits ;D
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 10:24:55 PM
if you don't mind unshaved pits ;D
Hey, with a face like that, I don't care about the pits.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:28:26 PM
 :o  TMI, boys, TMI....
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 06, 2009, 10:30:40 PM
That was a P, not a T.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:46:37 PM
I know...still, I just threw up a little, LOL! Where's Lil when you need her?  :)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 10:50:35 PM
over the prospect of her unshaved pits, or of the notion that someone would be okay with that ???
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 06, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
over the prospect of her unshaved pits, or of the notion that someone would be okay with that ???

Neither in and of themselves, I just don't like reading about it in a Richard thread, haha. It kinda threw me, and I'm eating, and I could only think of that commercial that's out right now with the couple riding a tandem bike and her armpit hair keeps blowing into his face.... ew. Poor timing, I guess.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2009, 10:57:01 PM
over the prospect of her unshaved pits, or of the notion that someone would be okay with that ???

Neither in and of themselves, I just don't like reading about it in a Richard thread, haha. It kinda threw me, and I'm eating, and I could only think of that commercial that's out right now with the couple riding a tandem bike and her armpit hair keeps blowing into his face.... ew. Poor timing, I guess.

I know exactly the one, and that went thru my mind when I was typing it.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: matahari on March 07, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

Get out. No seriously, get out. :P

No seriously, was that a Kitzis/Horowitz ep?


Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 07, 2009, 01:13:30 AM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

Get out. No seriously, get out. :P

No seriously, was that a Kitzis/Horowitz ep?




it was, look I agree that those characters were annoying in the episodes leading up to that one, but if you could remove the episode from the fact that its part of lost, it was a great hour of tv.

and it had one of the all time best lines in the whole series spoken by mr. jim lafleur "who the hell are nikki and paulo?"
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 07, 2009, 03:27:05 AM
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

Get out. No seriously, get out. :P

No seriously, was that a Kitzis/Horowitz ep?




it was, look I agree that those characters were annoying in the episodes leading up to that one, but if you could remove the episode from the fact that its part of lost, it was a great hour of tv.

and it had one of the all time best lines in the whole series spoken by mr. jim lafleur "who the hell are nikki and paulo?"

but the writers did teke the episode as a way to slip alot of answers and ties in and questions and fun facts... it was a gimme epi
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 07, 2009, 02:25:24 PM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 07, 2009, 02:26:45 PM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.

amen sister
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: MangoBingo on March 07, 2009, 04:08:09 PM
I always feel sorry for the Nikki and Paolo actors, when everybody laughs about them getting killed off.  :-\

Expose was a great episode: it was fun; had loads of reveals and a twist ending.

The worst episode ever is the Jack-tattoo episode. Ugh.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
Worst episode: S.O.S. or the one where Claire caught the bird. wtf?

I liked Stranger in a Strange land, if only because we were introduced to Isabel, Juliet got marked, and I like tattoos.  :-\ Expose was fun for the writers to write (filling in all those little holes), and fun to watch. Plus, hellooooo, Nikki and Paulo died, so, what more could you ask for?

(MB, when I saw the movie "300", I kept calling the bad guy Paolo. You can tell because I can't remember his character's actual name now, and I love that movie  :D)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: MangoBingo on March 07, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
Oh, Mrs Alpert... I worry that your husband may be secretly very evil indeed - and he'll break your heart.  :-[
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 04:39:19 PM
Oh, Mrs Alpert... I worry that your husband may be secretly very evil indeed - and he'll break your heart.  :-[

Is it wrong that that's kinda why I'm attracted to him? lol...I love Ben too...don't wanna crawl into his bed or anything, but he interests me.

Plus, y'know, the guyliner... ;)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: MangoBingo on March 07, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Plus, y'know, the guyliner... ;)

You're such a push-over!  :D
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 07, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
Worst episode: S.O.S. or the one where Claire caught the bird. wtf?

I liked Stranger in a Strange land, if only because we were introduced to Isabel, Juliet got marked, and I like tattoos.  :-\ Expose was fun for the writers to write (filling in all those little holes), and fun to watch. Plus, hellooooo, Nikki and Paulo died, so, what more could you ask for?

(MB, when I saw the movie "300", I kept calling the bad guy Paolo. You can tell because I can't remember his character's actual name now, and I love that movie  :D)
Xercxes is the bad guys name

Par Avion (the one with Claire and the bird) was an awesome episode, we found out the Christian was her father, and we saw Jack playing football with the others, thus causing a huge rift with the rest of the losties.


Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
MB, I know it, I'm a pushover. That's just me, I guess. (but seriously, he rocks it)

Xercxes is the bad guys name
As you can see, I don't know my villains or my history... heehee. I remembered once I read it, tho.

Par Avion (the one with Claire and the bird) was an awesome episode, we found out the Christian was her father, and we saw Jack playing football with the others, thus causing a huge rift with the rest of the losties.
Nah, we already suspected/knew that Christian was her father, we just didn't know if she knew it, and there were other episodes they could have squeezed it into. The last three seconds of Jack playing football--when we realize he is not running away but part of a game--were good. But 3 seconds out of the entire episode gets rounded down for me, so I didn't really like it at all. It's still Lost! Compared to like, The Bachelor, it was awesome. But we should never have to compare Lost to The Bachelor.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 07, 2009, 07:08:58 PM
MB, I know it, I'm a pushover. That's just me, I guess. (but seriously, he rocks it)

Xercxes is the bad guys name
As you can see, I don't know my villains or my history... heehee. I remembered once I read it, tho.

Par Avion (the one with Claire and the bird) was an awesome episode, we found out the Christian was her father, and we saw Jack playing football with the others, thus causing a huge rift with the rest of the losties.
Nah, we already suspected/knew that Christian was her father, we just didn't know if she knew it, and there were other episodes they could have squeezed it into. The last three seconds of Jack playing football--when we realize he is not running away but part of a game--were good. But 3 seconds out of the entire episode gets rounded down for me, so I didn't really like it at all. It's still Lost! Compared to like, The Bachelor, it was awesome. But we should never have to compare Lost to The Bachelor.


...I watch The Bachelor....lol....I am ashamed.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 07, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
...I watch The Bachelor....lol....I am ashamed.

Oh don't be! We've all got our guilty pleasures.  ;)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 07, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
The others wanted payback for their guys being killed. He had to bring proof.
bump  I agree with Juggy.

And now to catch up on the rest of the thread....
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I also like that episode....it was funny how Nikki and Paulo found everything way before the Losties did.

Razzle Dazzle!


when ever I do something very unimpressive or uninspiring, I always throw a "RAZZLE-DAZZLE!!" on the end of it.
Do you even throw in the jazz hands like I do? :D


So overrated.

yeah but haven't we established that JB doesn't find any woman attractive.
hehehee


Once again....my LOST girl crush has to be Gabriela.
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q107/jlpitzer/Lost/th_normal_huntingpartycap330.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q107/jlpitzer/Lost/?action=view&current=normal_huntingpartycap330.jpg)
Look @ her lips!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 12:52:45 PM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.
I didn't like Shannon either. ;)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 09, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.

I hate for a living, so I can't really help it, I'm a professional. The thing that really got to me about them though was the horrendous acting, and the way they were introduced. Compare that to the way they introduced Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, and Frank. If those 4 would have just dropped on the beach and been like, "We're from a boat!! We're here to help you." Do you know how annoying that would be?? Yes, you do, because that's what they did with Nikki and Paulo. LOL, but seriously, I hate them. For reals.

The others wanted payback for their guys being killed. He had to bring proof.
bump  I agree with Juggy.

And now to catch up on the rest of the thread....
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I also like that episode....it was funny how Nikki and Paulo found everything way before the Losties did.

Razzle Dazzle!


when ever I do something very unimpressive or uninspiring, I always throw a "RAZZLE-DAZZLE!!" on the end of it.
Do you even throw in the jazz hands like I do? :D

Only if I'm "feeling" the jazz hands.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 09, 2009, 02:10:26 PM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.

I hate for a living, so I can't really help it, I'm a professional. The thing that really got to me about them though was the horrendous acting, and the way they were introduced. Compare that to the way they introduced Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, and Frank. If those 4 would have just dropped on the beach and been like, "We're from a boat!! We're here to help you." Do you know how annoying that would be?? Yes, you do, because that's what they did with Nikki and Paulo. LOL, but seriously, I hate them. For reals.
His hate for them was rivaled only by his hate for Michael. lol
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 09, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.

I hate for a living, so I can't really help it, I'm a professional. The thing that really got to me about them though was the horrendous acting, and the way they were introduced. Compare that to the way they introduced Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, and Frank. If those 4 would have just dropped on the beach and been like, "We're from a boat!! We're here to help you." Do you know how annoying that would be?? Yes, you do, because that's what they did with Nikki and Paulo. LOL, but seriously, I hate them. For reals.
His hate for them was rivaled only by his hate for Michael. lol

So much so, that they made me like Michael. Until they died (in the most awesomest way), then Michael went back to the top of the list.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 09, 2009, 03:40:02 PM
Worst episode: S.O.S. or the one where Claire caught the bird. wtf?

I liked Stranger in a Strange land, if only because we were introduced to Isabel, Juliet got marked, and I like tattoos.  :-\ Expose was fun for the writers to write (filling in all those little holes), and fun to watch. Plus, hellooooo, Nikki and Paulo died, so, what more could you ask for?

(MB, when I saw the movie "300", I kept calling the bad guy Paolo. You can tell because I can't remember his character's actual name now, and I love that movie  :D)

iti was Xerxies ( pronounced Zerksees)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: WhatThe on March 09, 2009, 08:34:47 PM
because he finds them so unappealing that he wants to create a woman suit out of them, like the guy in silence of the lambs.
That's cold, dude.

Emilie de Ravin is hot.

Once again, we agree. Everybody is up on Kate's pointy face, and no one even noticed Claire or Sun.

Oh, trust me, I notice sun lol ;). There was one episode where, in a flashback, she and Jin are going to attempt to have a baby, and she crawls into bed wearing a really short green teddy. Drool lol ((grin)).
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: WhatThe on March 09, 2009, 08:37:13 PM
Oh, and Richard needed the body because Paul will eventually become Jacob lol. That's actually why the Others were about to kill the woman, because she had just killed "Jacob", although to Sawyer and Juliet (and to us) we think the Others killed him. Richard asking for the body was his way of saying "He was supposed to be our leader, so we need his body. He'll lead us as a spirit in a cabin rather than as a physical being now."

Ok, I just made all that up, but I wanted to go off on a tangent lol.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Novashannon on March 09, 2009, 08:51:50 PM
I never had a problem with the Nikki/Paulo episode---I'm surprised it created such an uproar with the fans.  I didn't find Nikki any more obnoxious than Shannon.  I may have been irritated if they had become central characters...but over-all, I really liked the episode.  I thought the part when they were buried alive was really scary--and I loved it.  Don't hate on the Nikki/Paulo epi.  Come on now.

I hate for a living, so I can't really help it, I'm a professional. The thing that really got to me about them though was the horrendous acting, and the way they were introduced. Compare that to the way they introduced Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, and Frank. If those 4 would have just dropped on the beach and been like, "We're from a boat!! We're here to help you." Do you know how annoying that would be?? Yes, you do, because that's what they did with Nikki and Paulo. LOL, but seriously, I hate them. For reals.

The others wanted payback for their guys being killed. He had to bring proof.
bump  I agree with Juggy.

And now to catch up on the rest of the thread....
I agree, Expose was a good episode.

I also like that episode....it was funny how Nikki and Paulo found everything way before the Losties did.

Razzle Dazzle!


when ever I do something very unimpressive or uninspiring, I always throw a "RAZZLE-DAZZLE!!" on the end of it.
Do you even throw in the jazz hands like I do? :D

Only if I'm "feeling" the jazz hands.
I hated Paolo and whats=her-name for much the same reason.  they just suddenly appeared and acted as though they had been there all along.  Plus, they were annoying.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 03:33:00 AM
the only reason they popped up like that was because a lot of the fans were complaining about not knowing anything about the log carrying guys, and this is what we got for it.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: CaseyMac on March 10, 2009, 05:20:53 AM
I know this is off-topic but Expose gets a really bad wrap. It was a great episode, and here's why I think so:

1. Intro with Nikki dancing
2. Billy Dee Williams
3. Razzle Dazzle!
4. Awesome Hitchcock-ian murder scene at the breakfast table
5. Seeing events and characters from a fresh new point of view
6. It works as a stand alone episode. They are barely mentioned before the episode and they die at the end. It's a break from the contant story arc that has been running since the pilot.
7. Last but not least, the epic ending was like a classic Twilight Zone or Tales from the Crypt.


As for the body swap, I think it was just about eye for an eye justice, but there is a running theme with bodies in the show, so there could be alot more to it.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
You only forgot one thing, the return of Doctor Arzt
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 10, 2009, 04:32:46 PM
Why was everyone such a big fan of Arzt?? I thought he was kind of an uppity jerk, and on top of it, he lied about the tradewinds.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
cuz he was entertainingly pathetic, and easily frustrated.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 10, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
Why was everyone such a big fan of Arzt?? I thought he was kind of an uppity jerk, and on top of it, he lied about the tradewinds.

well you must have never been in the outsiders clicq before.. ha... he is stuck on an island with a broken heart from rejection... and then all you have is your teaching expierience... you see an oppertunity to be an active participant for the islands rescue... you smudge the facts to build yourself up. it was self preservation for Arzt. something to keep him sane ... which leads to his death... but he went out being an amazing help. he wanted to be part of the cool kids, and speakign on behalf of all the people that know what thats like... he's inspireing, and showed enough heart and soul to try to help. and also at least he admitted to it...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 10, 2009, 05:23:01 PM
though his education and yearning to want to know and find new information also lead to nikki and palos death too.... thats where nikki learned about the Medusa Spider...so he was a help there too lol...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 10, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
Why was everyone such a big fan of Arzt?? I thought he was kind of an uppity jerk, and on top of it, he lied about the tradewinds.

well you must have never been in the outsiders clicq before.. ha... he is stuck on an island with a broken heart from rejection... and then all you have is your teaching expierience... you see an oppertunity to be an active participant for the islands rescue... you smudge the facts to build yourself up. it was self preservation for Arzt. something to keep him sane ... which leads to his death... but he went out being an amazing help. he wanted to be part of the cool kids, and speakign on behalf of all the people that know what thats like... he's inspireing, and showed enough heart and soul to try to help. and also at least he admitted to it...

Aw, I liked Artz too. :)  He just wanted to be part of the 'in-crowd'...
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 11, 2009, 11:26:48 AM
Meh, I guess. It's not that I didn't like him, I just didn't see why everyone liked him. Plus, seeing as how much everyone (me included) detests lying/liars, I just find it odd that he was so popular. Oh well. 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 11, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
Meh, I guess. It's not that I didn't like him, I just didn't see why everyone liked him. Plus, seeing as how much everyone (me included) detests lying/liars, I just find it odd that he was so popular. Oh well. 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.

Does that mean you hate Ben, Locke, Jack, Hurley, Kate, Penny, Sun, Sayid...

liars. lol  ;)

I hate lying in REAL life...in LOST land...it's A-OKay.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: WhatThe on March 11, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
Meh, I guess. It's not that I didn't like him, I just didn't see why everyone liked him. Plus, seeing as how much everyone (me included) detests lying/liars, I just find it odd that he was so popular. Oh well. 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.

Does that mean you hate Ben, Locke, Jack, Hurley, Kate, Penny, Sun, Sayid...

liars. lol  ;)

I hate lying in REAL life...in LOST land...it's A-OKay.

Actually, in LOST land it's irritating as hell as well lol :)...I find myself too often saying "Will you just tell the freakin' truth to everyone already?? Geez!!"
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 12, 2009, 11:07:42 AM
Meh, I guess. It's not that I didn't like him, I just didn't see why everyone liked him. Plus, seeing as how much everyone (me included) detests lying/liars, I just find it odd that he was so popular. Oh well. 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.

Does that mean you hate Ben, Locke, Jack, Hurley, Kate, Penny, Sun, Sayid...

liars. lol  ;)

I hate lying in REAL life...in LOST land...it's A-OKay.

I guess more accurately phrased, I hate the lies, not the liars.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 13, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Meh, I guess. It's not that I didn't like him, I just didn't see why everyone liked him. Plus, seeing as how much everyone (me included) detests lying/liars, I just find it odd that he was so popular. Oh well. 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.

Does that mean you hate Ben, Locke, Jack, Hurley, Kate, Penny, Sun, Sayid...

liars. lol  ;)

I hate lying in REAL life...in LOST land...it's A-OKay.

I guess more accurately phrased, I hate the lies, not the liars.

but still .. to hate a character for the reason of they are a liar... um its a television show. Ben lies all the time and thats what makes his character great. he's expectedly unexpecting. and did i mention... this is only a television show.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 13, 2009, 08:00:07 PM
Meh, I guess. It's not that I didn't like him, I just didn't see why everyone liked him. Plus, seeing as how much everyone (me included) detests lying/liars, I just find it odd that he was so popular. Oh well. 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.

Does that mean you hate Ben, Locke, Jack, Hurley, Kate, Penny, Sun, Sayid...

liars. lol  ;)

I hate lying in REAL life...in LOST land...it's A-OKay.

I guess more accurately phrased, I hate the lies, not the liars.

but still .. to hate a character for the reason of they are a liar... um its a television show. Ben lies all the time and thats what makes his character great. he's expectedly unexpecting. and did i mention... this is only a television show.

I refuse to believe that... ;)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: qgardens on March 14, 2009, 08:12:19 PM
i've only caught up on this thread so far...but can we get back to richard needing the body?  why is Paul's body proof of "justice" if richard's people killed him in the first place?  what is this truce that amy and paul violated by having a picnic?  i'm slightly discombobulated (still).
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: vickilynn on March 14, 2009, 10:59:08 PM
i've only caught up on this thread so far...but can we get back to richard needing the body?  why is Paul's body proof of "justice" if richard's people killed him in the first place?  what is this truce that amy and paul violated by having a picnic?  i'm slightly discombobulated (still).

Only slightly?! I'm thoroughly confused and can't wait until Wednesday when we will hopefully get some more answers!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: Harry Erickson on March 15, 2009, 04:28:23 AM
Maybe he can use their bodies to keep his age
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: hyperform on March 15, 2009, 04:38:56 AM
Maybe he can use their bodies to keep his age

Like a Lady Bathory type thing, bathing in the blood of virgins.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 16, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
i've only caught up on this thread so far...but can we get back to richard needing the body?  why is Paul's body proof of "justice" if richard's people killed him in the first place?  what is this truce that amy and paul violated by having a picnic?  i'm slightly discombobulated (still).


Arzt-Arzt-Arzt, all up in you face.

Just kidding, anyway...My view is that the truce that was broken was probably a boundary like Tom set up with Jack back in season 2. If you listen to Amy when Sawyer and friends are back in the bushes, she is saying something to the effect of,...'We were just having a picnic, we didn't know how far...' Is that reason enough to kill Paul?? No, I don't think so, but I'm not an other.

As far as the issue of justice, well, even though the Others killed Paul, 2 of them were also killed, and I think that Richard wanted to show that even though they lost 2 of their own, they went out fighting. Not so much as justice, but more like, honor. And I know you're thinking, or about to say, "they didn't go out fighting, they killed him first", and my preemptive response is this. Richard can tell them whatever he wants.
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: qgardens on March 17, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
Why does this make so much sense now having someone else explain it?
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 17, 2009, 11:51:38 PM
Why does this make so much sense now having someone else explain it?

It's like when someone else makes dinner. Just tastes better.  :)
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: qgardens on March 18, 2009, 12:08:55 AM
Got that right!
Title: Re: Richard needing the body?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 18, 2009, 12:44:42 PM
Why does this make so much sense now having someone else explain it?

That's just my take on it. But thanks.