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Title: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 23, 2009, 01:00:45 AM
ok i coudl be wrong but in the decypher of Bentham's obituary it meantioned how he was "survived by a teenage son."  am i wrong or can anyone help me unwrap this around my brain...... please???
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: The Boy on February 23, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
ok i coudl be wrong but in the decypher of Bentham's obituary it meantioned how he was "survived by a teenage son."  am i wrong or can anyone help me unwrap this around my brain...... please???

A friend of mine told me that exact same thing...I called him crazy because nobody on HERE had mentioned it yet....untill you did.   

anyone have any info on this?
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 23, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
The only teenager we know of at this point may be Walt...and I don't think the article is referring to him.

I had an idea that maybe Locke got Helen pregnant, but I think the timing is off on that one. If Locke was crippled in 2000, that means he would have had to get her pregnant before then, and for his son to be a teenager, it'd have to have been around...1994? 1995? I think maybe this belongs in the crackpot theory thread...  ;)
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 23, 2009, 02:58:50 PM
At this point the clipping is not considered to be "canon", meaning it may just be something put together by the prop department to have Jack hold, not written with specificity to the plotline. I wouldn't work to hard to decipher it until it's released "officially". After the attention this has gotten I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work as much into the story as they can, but at the time they said it wasn't meant to be read by anyone.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: vickilynn on February 24, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
Couldn't the whole obituary be "faked" by Ben et al?
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: tonysee200x on February 24, 2009, 06:18:51 PM
The newspaper clipping that Jack finds on the plane that leads him to the funeral does not say anything about "Survived by a teenage son".

Below is the detail of what is says : per-- http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Newspaper_clipping
>>>
Los Angeles
Man found dead in
downtown loft

"The body of Je ~*~ entham of
New York was discovered shortly after 4
a.m. in the ~*~ of Grand
Avenue. Ted [lastname], [a door]man at The
Tower ~*~ heard loud
noises ~*~ entham's loft.
~*~ [sa]fety, he co[nfessed]
~*~ discovered the
~*~ entered the loft a beam
in the ~*~ mom ~*~ [ac]cordin[g]
>>

Does the info he is survived by a teenage son come from someplace else?
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 24, 2009, 10:37:31 PM
I remember hearing this  at the time this episode aired too. and it ALWAYS bothered me. the answer that it wasn't meant for us to read doesn't sit right with me because usually, tptb never throw things in there that don't have any meaning. I'm sure it's expected to be picked apart by us.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 25, 2009, 02:12:31 PM
At this point the clipping is not considered to be "canon", meaning it may just be something put together by the prop department to have Jack hold, not written with specificity to the plotline. I wouldn't work to hard to decipher it until it's released "officially". After the attention this has gotten I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work as much into the story as they can, but at the time they said it wasn't meant to be read by anyone.

This HAS TO BE true... that the "obituary" was just thrown together because they didnt think anyone wolud be able to get the whole thing... cuz if you remember in the obituary that NEVER LEFT JACKS SIDE, and he was reading it all the time would have noticed that it said Jeremy Bentham found hanged in his NY apt loft. but in "316" he didnt know he had comitted suicide. BIG MISTAKE TPTB. as good as writers and creaters as you are... your fans are more thorough lol....
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 25, 2009, 02:14:24 PM
The newspaper clipping that Jack finds on the plane that leads him to the funeral does not say anything about "Survived by a teenage son".

Below is the detail of what is says : per-- http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Newspaper_clipping
>>>
Los Angeles
Man found dead in
downtown loft

"The body of Je ~*~ entham of
New York was discovered shortly after 4
a.m. in the ~*~ of Grand
Avenue. Ted [lastname], [a door]man at The
Tower ~*~ heard loud
noises ~*~ entham's loft.
~*~ [sa]fety, he co[nfessed]
~*~ discovered the
~*~ entered the loft a beam
in the ~*~ mom ~*~ [ac]cordin[g]
>>

Does the info he is survived by a teenage son come from someplace else?

has to be ... i could have sworn that someone on here on sledgeweb deciphered the whole obit.... and it said survived by a teenage son. or i coudl be wrong... i am only human.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 25, 2009, 02:16:03 PM
At this point the clipping is not considered to be "canon", meaning it may just be something put together by the prop department to have Jack hold, not written with specificity to the plotline. I wouldn't work to hard to decipher it until it's released "officially". After the attention this has gotten I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work as much into the story as they can, but at the time they said it wasn't meant to be read by anyone.

This HAS TO BE true... that the "obituary" was just thrown together because they didnt think anyone wolud be able to get the whole thing... cuz if you remember in the obituary that NEVER LEFT JACKS SIDE, and he was reading it all the time would have noticed that it said Jeremy Bentham found hanged in his NY apt loft. but in "316" he didnt know he had comitted suicide. BIG MISTAKE TPTB. as good as writers and creaters as you are... your fans are more thorough lol....


but so far, all that is true. his name is Jeremy bentham and he was in a NY apt and he did commit suicide. so what about that was thrown together? why would it be so impossible for the rest to be true?
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 25, 2009, 02:19:04 PM
you're not crazy because that was why a lot of speculation back in season 3/4 was that the person in the coffin was Michael, because he was the only one on the show that had a teenage son. I'm trying to find references to it right now.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 25, 2009, 02:22:03 PM
I think that the show had enough CRAZY fans like us at the time that tptb knew we would screen-cap it, decipher it, and pour over it endlessly. Jack isn't exactly quick-on-the-draw when it comes to putting 2 and 2 together. It's possible he was so distraught over the fact that Bentham was actually dead that he didn't put too much thought into the whole "hanged" thing. And I think by the end of season 3 tptb knew where it was all going. I'm going to take a leap of faith and believe that everything will fit together. I don't think it was a prop error.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 25, 2009, 02:22:29 PM
then again, tptb did say that they didn't know who was going to be in the coffin until the last minute. So maybe they put in survived by a teenage son because they were leaning towards Michael being the one in the coffin.  ???

Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 25, 2009, 02:40:01 PM
I've found out that there was a supposedly "leaked" copy of the obit posted on the Fuselage that had supposedly come from an inside source there. It was that one that mentioned a teenage son. (And called the deceased John Latham) It has been pretty much discounted and that's why you don't see it listed in the articles about the clipping.

Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 25, 2009, 03:55:04 PM
I've found out that there was a supposedly "leaked" copy of the obit posted on the Fuselage that had supposedly come from an inside source there. It was that one that mentioned a teenage son. (And called the deceased John Latham) It has been pretty much discounted and that's why you don't see it listed in the articles about the clipping.



Thanks CC for fact-checking (as always!  ;D btw I love your recaps. You should write the "Lost Untangled" things, you'd make them so much better...).

That being the case, I'm glad tptb have been true to what we've deciphered from the article so far. Hopefully tonight we'll see if the rest of the story fits with it.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 25, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
I've found out that there was a supposedly "leaked" copy of the obit posted on the Fuselage that had supposedly come from an inside source there. It was that one that mentioned a teenage son. (And called the deceased John Latham) It has been pretty much discounted and that's why you don't see it listed in the articles about the clipping.



Thanks CC for fact-checking (as always!  ;D btw I love your recaps. You should write the "Lost Untangled" things, you'd make them so much better...).

That being the case, I'm glad tptb have been true to what we've deciphered from the article so far. Hopefully tonight we'll see if the rest of the story fits with it.

why thank you! I'd love to work on the Lost Untangled if only because they seem to know in advance whats going to happen. They were a lot funnier, tho, when they were just on YouTube. I don't even get the joke on the couple that I've seen during "Life on Mars."

And yes, lets all hope that tonights epi puts all this speculation to rest. I don't care what the answer is at this point, I just want to know it. lol.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 26, 2009, 02:28:55 AM
ok ok ok i retract my statement respectfully... but i have another theory. kinda weak but still.... anyone think Abbadow is Walt? right as walt walked up abbadow slipped away and right when walt walked away... bloop... theres abbadow again... maybe with how "special " walt is he'd sense it.. or maybe if he makes a memory with a younger self... again with teh ability soemthign woudl happen... ? again i coudl be wrong, but this woudl onl be 2 strikes on one thread.. lol... what you all everybody think?
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 26, 2009, 02:39:31 AM
we haven't seen the whole story yet! don't retract so fast.  :-\
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 26, 2009, 02:42:50 AM
oh .. i agree we havent.. but just thrwing out theories that are swarming my mind right now.  or do u mean you literally ahvent seen it yet? cuz i saw it 6  hours ago lol
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 26, 2009, 02:47:06 AM
lol, no I saw it. I'm just saying don't retract your survived by a teenage son thought yet because we could still hear something about that. maybe they made up a story for some reason. or maybe it really wasn't canon. but there is more story to go so wait and see.  ;)
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 26, 2009, 08:11:51 AM
ok ok ok i retract my statement respectfully... but i have another theory. kinda weak but still.... anyone think Abbadow is Walt? right as walt walked up abbadow slipped away and right when walt walked away... bloop... theres abbadow again... maybe with how "special " walt is he'd sense it.. or maybe if he makes a memory with a younger self... again with teh ability soemthign woudl happen... ? again i coudl be wrong, but this woudl onl be 2 strikes on one thread.. lol... what you all everybody think?

This theory has been mentioned a few times, and I just don't see it coming true. For one thing, based on what you said about him disappearing, I saw Abbadon leaning against the car watching Walt and Locke while they talked. Also, they just don't speak similarly. Obviously any number of things could happen in a man's life to make him change how he speaks, like just taking diction lessons or purposely trying to disguise hi voice, but... I don't know, I just don't think Abbadon = Grown Up Walt.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: BadRobot64 on February 27, 2009, 05:44:07 AM
ok ok ok i retract my statement respectfully... but i have another theory. kinda weak but still.... anyone think Abbadow is Walt? right as walt walked up abbadow slipped away and right when walt walked away... bloop... theres abbadow again... maybe with how "special " walt is he'd sense it.. or maybe if he makes a memory with a younger self... again with teh ability soemthign woudl happen... ? again i coudl be wrong, but this woudl onl be 2 strikes on one thread.. lol... what you all everybody think?

This theory has been mentioned a few times, and I just don't see it coming true. For one thing, based on what you said about him disappearing, I saw Abbadon leaning against the car watching Walt and Locke while they talked. Also, they just don't speak similarly. Obviously any number of things could happen in a man's life to make him change how he speaks, like just taking diction lessons or purposely trying to disguise hi voice, but... I don't know, I just don't think Abbadon = Grown Up Walt.

ill have to watch it again .. and i will and reply after i do... but i dont recall abbadow in the same scene, but reguardles... thinking about it more... i still think the same that abbadow is grown up walt... i mean just give it a thought for a second... i know abbadow is creepy but even through the creep theres soul... which all us lost fans have seen in many a creepy guys... nathan, ben, widmore.. all creepy but they have souls and we've seen it... so my point is... just think for a second all locke did for wwalt from day 1. always that STRONG kinship... a connection. to walt ... lock is the only one who "understands" him... then they were seperated... walt is special.. has dreams of things to come... walt grows up... uses his "specialness" to find a way to get back and help Locke.... now... think for a second seperately about Abbadow... how he talks, and trats locke... with such admiration, respect... looking out for him at all costs to "get him where he is supposed to be". at all costs... even his own life.. which he knows locke must do as well.

my side is that in the world of LOST nothing is certain... look at the facts... i can admit my blindness tot he fact i ACTUALLY believed Locke.. or Bentham.. actually hanged himself out of self sacrifice. til i saw the epi. and id liek to hear and see where anyone thought otherwise, so my Walt/ Abbadon theory is very plausible concidering the facts i stated... but hey its LOST... Nikki and Palo were supposed to be NEW GREAT ADDITIONS to the cast.. pffft!!! hahahahahahhahaha... ok im seriously open to other sides, just like to debate... let me know whats up
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: JBRam on February 27, 2009, 07:23:08 AM
ok ok ok i retract my statement respectfully... but i have another theory. kinda weak but still.... anyone think Abbadow is Walt? right as walt walked up abbadow slipped away and right when walt walked away... bloop... theres abbadow again... maybe with how "special " walt is he'd sense it.. or maybe if he makes a memory with a younger self... again with teh ability soemthign woudl happen... ? again i coudl be wrong, but this woudl onl be 2 strikes on one thread.. lol... what you all everybody think?

This theory has been mentioned a few times, and I just don't see it coming true. For one thing, based on what you said about him disappearing, I saw Abbadon leaning against the car watching Walt and Locke while they talked. Also, they just don't speak similarly. Obviously any number of things could happen in a man's life to make him change how he speaks, like just taking diction lessons or purposely trying to disguise hi voice, but... I don't know, I just don't think Abbadon = Grown Up Walt.
The only similarity between the two is skin color, and that's not even exactly the same.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 27, 2009, 07:48:11 AM
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k62/Cayleyjh/normal_jeremy-b088.jpg)
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 27, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
the picture above has Locke shaking hands with Walt, and Abbadon is in the background. There's more than one black guy in the world.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 27, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
ok ok ok i retract my statement respectfully... but i have another theory. kinda weak but still.... anyone think Abbadow is Walt? right as Walt walked up abbadow slipped away and right when Walt walked away... bloop... theres abbadow again... maybe with how "special " Walt is he'd sense it.. or maybe if he makes a memory with a younger self... again with teh ability soemthign woudl happen... ? again i coudl be wrong, but this woudl onl be 2 strikes on one thread.. lol... what you all everybody think?

This theory has been mentioned a few times, and I just don't see it coming true. For one thing, based on what you said about him disappearing, I saw Abbadon leaning against the car watching Walt and Locke while they talked. Also, they just don't speak similarly. Obviously any number of things could happen in a man's life to make him change how he speaks, like just taking diction lessons or purposely trying to disguise hi voice, but... I don't know, I just don't think Abbadon = Grown Up Walt.

ill have to watch it again .. and i will and reply after i do... but i dont recall abbadow in the same scene, but reguardles... thinking about it more... i still think the same that abbadow is grown up Walt... i mean just give it a thought for a second... i know abbadow is creepy but even through the creep theres soul... which all us lost fans have seen in many a creepy guys... nathan, ben, widmore.. all creepy but they have souls and we've seen it... so my point is... just think for a second all locke did for wwalt from day 1. always that STRONG kinship... a connection. to Walt ... lock is the only one who "understands" him... then they were seperated... Walt is special.. has dreams of things to come... Walt grows up... uses his "specialness" to find a way to get back and help Locke.... now... think for a second seperately about Abbadow... how he talks, and trats locke... with such admiration, respect... looking out for him at all costs to "get him where he is supposed to be". at all costs... even his own life.. which he knows locke must do as well.

my side is that in the world of LOST nothing is certain... look at the facts... i can admit my blindness tot he fact i ACTUALLY believed Locke.. or Bentham.. actually hanged himself out of self sacrifice. til i saw the epi. and id liek to hear and see where anyone thought otherwise, so my Walt/ Abbadon theory is very plausible concidering the facts i stated... but hey its LOST... Nikki and Palo were supposed to be NEW GREAT ADDITIONS to the cast.. pffft!!! hahahahahahhahaha... ok im seriously open to other sides, just like to debate... let me know whats up

I didn't think Locke killed himself once Ben said he didn't know that Locke killed himself. so from the episode 316 and after, and I had posted that too. but that is besides the point. I don't think that Walt and abbadon are the same person, but any theory is plausible in lost. since they could write what ever they want and make it fit. lol  Abbadon Doesn't look anything like Walt though. and I don't see anything special in Abbadon especially since he is dead. or was able to die like that.also, I don't see Walt working for widmore. if anyone he would work for Richard or that side. BUT I DO believe that Abbadon had seen Walt before. because he says to john about Walt, " the boy got big" So my question is, when did Abbadon ever meet Walt????!!! Did we ever see them meet? If so some one remind me when, because I don't remember and it might be of some significance. was it in the mental hospital with Hurley or was it when Michael was hired for widmore or was he just following Michael before he worked for widmore or even crashed on the plane and saw Walt then?
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: patrixmith on March 02, 2009, 01:03:30 AM
At this point the clipping is not considered to be "canon", meaning it may just be something put together by the prop department to have Jack hold, not written with specificity to the plotline. I wouldn't work to hard to decipher it until it's released "officially". After the attention this has gotten I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work as much into the story as they can, but at the time they said it wasn't meant to be read by anyone.

This HAS TO BE true... that the "obituary" was just thrown together because they didnt think anyone wolud be able to get the whole thing... cuz if you remember in the obituary that NEVER LEFT JACKS SIDE, and he was reading it all the time would have noticed that it said Jeremy Bentham found hanged in his NY apt loft. but in "316" he didnt know he had comitted suicide. BIG MISTAKE TPTB. as good as writers and creaters as you are... your fans are more thorough lol....

Ms. Hawking said in episode 316 that they would never mention someone hanging themselves in the obituaries. Therefore, Jack never knew he committed suicide. No mistake by TPTB...
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 01:34:29 PM
the picture above has Locke shaking hands with Walt, and Abbadon is in the background. There's more than one black guy in the world.
To be the devil's advocate, Abaddon could have kept his distance in order to not cause some major time-space disturbance...

I didn't think Locke killed himself once Ben said he didn't know that Locke killed himself. so from the episode 316 and after, and I had posted that too. but that is besides the point. I don't think that Walt and abbadon are the same person, but any theory is plausible in lost. since they could write what ever they want and make it fit. lol  Abbadon Doesn't look anything like Walt though. and I don't see anything special in Abbadon especially since he is dead. or was able to die like that.also, I don't see Walt working for widmore. if anyone he would work for Richard or that side. BUT I DO believe that Abbadon had seen Walt before. because he says to john about Walt, " the boy got big" So my question is, when did Abbadon ever meet Walt????!!! Did we ever see them meet? If so some one remind me when, because I don't remember and it might be of some significance. was it in the mental hospital with Hurley or was it when Michael was hired for widmore or was he just following Michael before he worked for widmore or even crashed on the plane and saw Walt then?

I don't think they have physically come in contact before, but I believe that Abaddon helped assemble the original Oceanic 815. Therefore, he would definitely know what each person looked like.
Title: Re: Bentham "survived by a teenage son"?????
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 08, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
 :P

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