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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x07 => Topic started by: JMart on February 18, 2009, 11:51:31 PM

Title: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: JMart on February 18, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
jack: did you know he killed himself?
ben: no, no i didn't.

in the preview it shows ben talking to locke seemingly right before he hangs himself
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on February 19, 2009, 07:12:41 AM
It looks like Ben to me, too.  Ben lies a lot. 
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: shadow on February 19, 2009, 07:59:44 AM
Either he is lying and he did know
or
John needed a literal "push" from Ben, making it murder and not suicide.
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: DaveJohnson on February 19, 2009, 08:23:41 AM
It looks like Ben to me, too.  Ben lies a lot. 
I rather think he selectively tells the truth.
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: sillysab on February 19, 2009, 02:13:12 PM
jack: did you know he killed himself?
ben: no, no i didn't.

in the preview it shows ben talking to locke seemingly right before he hangs himself

I'm betting Ben leaves the room without knowing if John hangs himself or not for sure... he only knows he MAY have hung himself. Just like Ben's literal truth when Jack asks him if Locke came to see him... no, he went to see Locke. AH, BEN! Not so much selective, but exact and twisted all at the same time.
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 19, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
I think Ben stuck around for the hanging. Then he took Jin's wedding ring and wrote the suicide note. It was just too much of a coincidence that Ben tells Jack, "It's not your fault that he's dead" SECONDS before Jack reads a note that says, basically, it's your fault I'm dead because you didn't believe me. How did Hawking get the note? Ben planted it. I'd wager.
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: BobBX542 on February 19, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
I think Ben stuck around for the hanging. Then he took Jin's wedding ring and wrote the suicide note. It was just too much of a coincidence that Ben tells Jack, "It's not your fault that he's dead" SECONDS before Jack reads a note that says, basically, it's your fault I'm dead because you didn't believe me. How did Hawking get the note? Ben planted it. I'd wager.

Nail on the FREAKING HEAD!!
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 19, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
I think Ben stuck around for the hanging. Then he took Jin's wedding ring and wrote the suicide note. It was just too much of a coincidence that Ben tells Jack, "It's not your fault that he's dead" SECONDS before Jack reads a note that says, basically, it's your fault I'm dead because you didn't believe me. How did Hawking get the note? Ben planted it. I'd wager.

Nail on the FREAKING HEAD!!

Thanks Bob! I'm coming up with some zingers today.  ;)
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: JBRam on February 21, 2009, 07:22:27 PM
I don't know... I think that Locke actually wrote the note because Jack really did need to believe. I agree with Dave Johnson. Ben tells the truth selectively (and deceptively).
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: Mrs Hume on February 22, 2009, 08:32:34 PM
It looks like Ben to me, too.  Ben lies a lot. 
I rather think he selectively tells the truth.

I so agree with you. He doesn't technically lie. which he could. but doesn't. he also doesn't need to tell them if they don't need to know.
I think locke pulled a Ben. Wanting to keep his word to Jin , Locke told Ben to tell sun he was alive and that killed two birds with one stone. Technically then he didn't bring her back and he didn't tell her Jin was alive. And it got her back to the island.
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: JMart on September 19, 2009, 06:13:11 PM
oh those silly writers tricked us again :D
Title: Re: lol @ ben lying to jack..
Post by: Mrs Hume on September 20, 2009, 01:31:56 PM
tell me about it! Now I bet we all wish Ben would have just killed locke, like he wanted to ,  ( back on the island, now that its not Locke but the man in black.) guess the island really did want locke dead,( on the island, not off)  so this couldn't happen. ah but then why did it keep healing him you say? well, there are to sides on the island, we know that now. so the man in blacks side kept him alive? the man in white's side kept telling Ben to kill locke.
maybe.?.  :-\