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Title: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: HugeJohnLockeFan on February 18, 2009, 11:08:40 PM
I think Ben might have killed Penelope. Revenge for his adopted daughter.

Okay, maybe not, but I think Desmond was the one who beat him up.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on February 18, 2009, 11:09:42 PM
I was going to start a thread on this but you beat me to it  . . . I'm thinking Penny's a goner.  He was at the marina, it all makes sense
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: vickilynn on February 18, 2009, 11:10:47 PM
He said he was going to see an old friend didn't he? To "tie up some loose ends?"
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: wcaclimbing on February 18, 2009, 11:11:08 PM
I was surprised that Jack didn't ask him about it.
Wouldn't surprise me if they just leave it at 'something went wrong' and don't tell anything else...
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Writers_Strike on February 18, 2009, 11:12:17 PM
He tried to con a fisherman into giving him crabs for .99/lb, the fisherman was not swayed by Ben's Jedi mind tricks.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Asmodean on February 18, 2009, 11:12:26 PM
That was definitely the promise he had to keep with an old friend.

I hope he didn't kill her.  I think Charles had people there to protect her (plus Des & Charlie) since he knew that's where they would be.  
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: DizzyIzzy on February 18, 2009, 11:16:27 PM
My husband's first thought was that Ben killed Penelope.  I forgot Ben said he needed to tie up some loose ends.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 18, 2009, 11:18:45 PM
I think and hope he killed her.  Desmond will work for Widmore now and try to get revenge.  Yeah it made me mad that Jack didn't ask what happened to him just like he didn't ask Kate what happened to Aaron.  Jack pissed me off this episode.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: razzle-dazzle on February 18, 2009, 11:19:01 PM
I think Desmond beat Ben up, but did Ben carry out his revenge?
Maybe he kidnapped Penny and brought her to the island.  :o
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: vickilynn on February 18, 2009, 11:19:28 PM
I think and hope he killed her.  Desmond will work for Widmore now and try to get revenge.  Yeah it made me mad that Jack didn't ask what happened to him just like he didn't ask Kate what happened to Aaron.  Jack pissed me off this episode.
Jack is all about denial.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: E.S.B. on February 18, 2009, 11:19:38 PM
That was definitely the promise he had to keep with an old friend.

I hope he didn't kill her.  I think Charles had people there to protect her (plus Des & Charlie) since he knew that's where they would be.  

Oh man, I didn't even put 2 and 2 together - Ben running into Des gave him the clue that Penny was within striking distance.  It does not look good for her.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: SQUIRT199 on February 18, 2009, 11:26:23 PM
That was definitely the promise he had to keep with an old friend.

I hope he didn't kill her.  I think Charles had people there to protect her (plus Des & Charlie) since he knew that's where they would be.  

I was thinking Penny was dead but it is more than likely that daddy had thugs waiting, I didnt think of that till I read this.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Bostonlost on February 18, 2009, 11:26:39 PM
He said he was going to see an old friend didn't he? To "tie up some loose ends?"

I thought that as soon as he said it he was going after Penny..............

That combined with the fact that he was reading Ulysses by James Joyce

A novel that Desmond almost mirrors might just be a clue who won the fight

Here is a scenario  :

Ben Kills or hurts Penny Desmond and Widmore team up......Desmond goes to search for the Island to Kill Ben


See ya in another life Brotha
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on February 18, 2009, 11:29:09 PM
Was he reading Ulysses or Odysseus??  I thought I read Ulysses too, but in another thread, Juggy seemed to think it was Odysseus . .
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: vickilynn on February 18, 2009, 11:33:33 PM
Ulysses is the Latin form of Odysseus. James Joyce's novel is a "modern" take on the story.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 18, 2009, 11:34:01 PM
I don't know what Odysseus is.  There's Ulysses by James Joyce and the Odyssey by Homer.  I don't know of any work called Odysseus, just the main character of the Odyssey.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: vickilynn on February 18, 2009, 11:36:57 PM
Ulysses was the Roman name for Odysseus. The names of the gods were also changed in the Latin version (I have to teach the Odyssey every year).
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 18, 2009, 11:43:57 PM
I know, I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense for the book to be called "Odysseus."  It would either be titled Ulysses by James Joyce or the Odyssey.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Bostonlost on February 18, 2009, 11:49:30 PM
I think that is more of a clue to who his beef was with.....
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: jamesl on February 19, 2009, 12:36:40 AM
Ben killed Eloise Faraday

I still think Ben didn't know she was Daniel's mother until Desmond showed up and said so
and that little look that Ben gave last week when Desmond said that ?
I don't think it was a look of surprise that Des now knew what Ben knew , I think it was a look of surprise of Ben learning something new

if we believe that she is Widmore's ex-lover and that Widmore still loves her, but she left Widmore then it would make sense for Ben to kill her as part of his revenge
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Still_lost06 on February 19, 2009, 12:44:54 AM
I think he tried to get to Penny but since Widmore knew she was in LA, or at least that Desmond would be, he had her looked after. I almost felt sorry for Ben when I saw him like that...almost.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: LouE68 on February 19, 2009, 12:50:02 AM
I'd like to guess its Sayid, and thats how he got them to come...but he did have buisness with Pen...
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Austruck on February 19, 2009, 01:18:28 AM
I thought the loose ends were getting Sayid and Hurley on board (literally). Do the lawyer thing with Hurley. And when he went to Sayid, Sayid beat him to a pulp. Ben could then press charges and Sayid is extradited, and hence on the plane in handcuffs.

HOWEVER, why he would be extradited to GUAM is beyond me, so there my theory falls short.  :)
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Madam P on February 19, 2009, 01:39:05 AM
He didn't just say he had loose ends to tie up, he said something like he had made a promise to an old friend.  To me, this says he was going to kill Penny, like he had promised Widmore he would do.

I think it's possible Desmond may have been the one who beat Ben up.  The question is, does Desmond (and thus Penny) look worse than Ben now?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: ILoveLost on February 19, 2009, 01:53:13 AM
I was totally going to start this...Glad I'm not the only one ;D

It looks to me that Ben is at the spot where Desmond and Penny took their picture? Am I wrong? Penny is on a boat and there are boats around Ben. Of this is true it would also get Desmond back to the island for revenge against Ben. Crazy...I kinda liked Penny. And what about little Charlie?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: hyperform on February 19, 2009, 02:29:59 AM
there is no way that they would kill a major character like that and not show us one way or another.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: norville on February 19, 2009, 02:37:08 AM
To me it seems perfectly clear that Ben left the church, followed Desmond back to the marina, and had in mind to kill Penny.  The big question is, did he succeed, and who beat him to a pulp.  I hadn't thought about Widmore's thugs either, but that sounds like a possibility.  But what got me thinking was, when Ben called Jack, he had already had his butt kicked, but he still needed Jack to get get Locke.  It was like he had been beaten up, but he still had stuff to do.  Any thoughts what he was up to then?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 19, 2009, 02:40:34 AM
I'm with all y'all...Ben was at the marina, where Des's boat would be, and he had business to settle with Penny (namely, her death). I don't think he succeeded, though, because he was shaken up when he talked to Jack; if things had gone smoothly, he would have taken Locke to the airport himself. But he was still making the call from the marina, so if Des did beat him up, Ben seemed to be out of danger at least.

I think he was reading Ulysses because he wants to figure out what'll happen with Des and Penny....lol.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: norville on February 19, 2009, 02:51:07 AM
Yes, fantastic Mrs. Alpert!  Maybe that's how Ben manages to know everything... he's got an "in" with the writers, and spends his free time reading all their favorite books so he can predict what everyone's going to do.  Now THAT would be a great plot twist for season 7.  ;-)
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 19, 2009, 03:26:24 AM
Yes, fantastic Mrs. Alpert!  Maybe that's how Ben manages to know everything... he's got an "in" with the writers, and spends his free time reading all their favorite books so he can predict what everyone's going to do.  Now THAT would be a great plot twist for season 7.  ;-)

Well, reading all the references on this show hasn't helped me...maybe Ben has more time to do things like that, when he's not out drowning puppies and knocking ice cream cones out of kids' hands.  :-\
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Madam P on February 19, 2009, 09:02:27 AM
To me it seems perfectly clear that Ben left the church, followed Desmond back to the marina, and had in mind to kill Penny.  The big question is, did he succeed, and who beat him to a pulp.  I hadn't thought about Widmore's thugs either, but that sounds like a possibility.  But what got me thinking was, when Ben called Jack, he had already had his butt kicked, but he still needed Jack to get get Locke.  It was like he had been beaten up, but he still had stuff to do.  Any thoughts what he was up to then?

Well, he had to get to a hospital and get his arm set in a cast, for starters.  He was looking pretty bad at that point.  Maybe he wasn't sure he was even going to make it?  Maybe he succeeded in his quest, and needed to dispose of evidence/bodies?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Shakey on February 19, 2009, 09:14:56 AM
To me it seems perfectly clear that Ben left the church, followed Desmond back to the marina, and had in mind to kill Penny.  The big question is, did he succeed, and who beat him to a pulp.  I hadn't thought about Widmore's thugs either, but that sounds like a possibility.  But what got me thinking was, when Ben called Jack, he had already had his butt kicked, but he still needed Jack to get get Locke.  It was like he had been beaten up, but he still had stuff to do.  Any thoughts what he was up to then?

Well, he had to get to a hospital and get his arm set in a cast, for starters.  He was looking pretty bad at that point.  Maybe he wasn't sure he was even going to make it?  Maybe he succeeded in his quest, and needed to dispose of evidence/bodies?
I agree... the medical attention was the thing he still had to do.  I don't know if Ben killed Penny but he was at the marina for some time.  I don't know what time he left the church but it was morning when he called Jack so his attempt to keep a promise to an old friend took a good chunk of the night.

For those of us who'd LOVE for Des to return to the island, Ben's accomplishing his task is the best way for that to happen.  Des promised Penny he'd never return to the island.  Penny's demise would let Des out of the promise as well as provide for the incentive that Des would need.  And, Des' relationship with Mrs. Hawking would provide him with a possibility of finding the island later on his own.  After all, he made it to the island on his own the first time so that would be much easier to replicate.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: soulska on February 19, 2009, 09:27:10 AM
To me it seems perfectly clear that Ben left the church, followed Desmond back to the marina, and had in mind to kill Penny.  The big question is, did he succeed, and who beat him to a pulp.  I hadn't thought about Widmore's thugs either, but that sounds like a possibility.  But what got me thinking was, when Ben called Jack, he had already had his butt kicked, but he still needed Jack to get get Locke.  It was like he had been beaten up, but he still had stuff to do.  Any thoughts what he was up to then?

Well, he had to get to a hospital and get his arm set in a cast, for starters.  He was looking pretty bad at that point.  Maybe he wasn't sure he was even going to make it?  Maybe he succeeded in his quest, and needed to dispose of evidence/bodies?

first off... Hello to everyone i have been a lurker of this site for quite some time. (http://smiliesftw.com/x/wave.gif)

Bens arm was just in a sling if im not mistaken. one can easily buy a sling at any pharmacy. i think a man that has resources like ben could easily get medical attention discreetly. since we see a shaken ben making the call to jack i hate to say this, but i think he killed penny and desmond or killed penny as promised and beat up desmond. i say this because, for him to make a call at the marina without the urgency to get away from a crime scene shows that he was confident that the job at hand was done.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 19, 2009, 09:29:19 AM
I figured he couldn't get Locke's body because he needed to dispose of Penny's body or something.  I'm guessing they'll show in flashbacks exactly what happened to everyone between the time meeting Ben that night and ending up on the plane.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Gmonkey on February 19, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
I think and hope he killed her.  Desmond will work for Widmore now and try to get revenge.  Yeah it made me mad that Jack didn't ask what happened to him just like he didn't ask Kate what happened to Aaron.  Jack pissed me off this episode.

I too was disappointed, but I have come to realize that if all us sledgeweb addicts were replaced with the characters on lost, the show would last about 3 episodes before everyone knew every tiny detail and had solved every problem.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Survivor815 on February 19, 2009, 09:56:09 AM
I was surprised that Jack didn't ask him about it.
Wouldn't surprise me if they just leave it at 'something went wrong' and don't tell anything else...

Exactly what I was thinking! Why the hell didn't anyone (especially Jack now that he's got this new weird repore with Ben) ask what happened to him?! Someone really F'd him up and no one even batted an eye at it! ???
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Madam P on February 19, 2009, 10:03:16 AM
Well, Ben has spent a good part of this show getting the crap beat out of him... maybe they think it's just par for the course.   :D  I bet he was even beat up by the little pre-teen Dharmites when he was a kid...

I thought it looked like his arm was in a cast, but I haven't re-watched, so maybe it was just a sling.  Either way, he needed some medical attention, I think.

Yeah it made me mad that Jack didn't ask what happened to him just like he didn't ask Kate what happened to Aaron.  Jack pissed me off this episode.

Just this episode?  Welcome to the club!  He p's me off every episode!  If he hadn't finally read the note from Locke, I would've reached right through the TV screen and strangled him.

Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 19, 2009, 10:03:30 AM
I have to agree, Bens "loose ends" was to kill Penny like he had promised he would do to Widmore. The clue to this that he calls Jack from a Marina. This will be the reason that Desmond returns to the Island, to seek revenge on Ben!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: CrashandCari on February 19, 2009, 10:05:35 AM
i really don't think Ben killed Penny.  there's no way in hell Des would have let him live if he had.  i do agree that Ben's business to take care of was to go after Penny and maybe Des beat the crap out of him for that

was completely ridiculous that Jack didn't even ask him what the heck happened.. typical lost lol

as for the poster who asked if that was the same marina where Des and Penny's picture was taken.. they were standing in front of a fake backdrop of Australia in that picture
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: opgelost on February 19, 2009, 10:06:41 AM
I think Ben went to kill Penny, but encountered Sayid there,
who tried to kill him. But he didn't succeed, because the island
won't let him die (Widmore also knew that he couldn't kill Ben).
That's why Sayid was surprised to see Ben on the plane.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Jungle Otter on February 19, 2009, 10:49:58 AM
I think it was Desmond (or possibly Widmore's men) who kicked the crap outta Ben when he went after Penny - he did have a loose thread to deal with.


or it was him....just because  ;)

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Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on February 19, 2009, 11:06:23 AM
To me it seems perfectly clear that Ben left the church, followed Desmond back to the marina, and had in mind to kill Penny.  The big question is, did he succeed, and who beat him to a pulp.  I hadn't thought about Widmore's thugs either, but that sounds like a possibility.  But what got me thinking was, when Ben called Jack, he had already had his butt kicked, but he still needed Jack to get get Locke.  It was like he had been beaten up, but he still had stuff to do.  Any thoughts what he was up to then?

Well, he had to get to a hospital and get his arm set in a cast, for starters.  He was looking pretty bad at that point.  Maybe he wasn't sure he was even going to make it?  Maybe he succeeded in his quest, and needed to dispose of evidence/bodies?

first off... Hello to everyone i have been a lurker of this site for quite some time. (http://smiliesftw.com/x/wave.gif)

Bens arm was just in a sling if im not mistaken. one can easily buy a sling at any pharmacy. i think a man that has resources like ben could easily get medical attention discreetly. since we see a shaken ben making the call to jack i hate to say this, but i think he killed penny and desmond or killed penny as promised and beat up desmond. i say this because, for him to make a call at the marina without the urgency to get away from a crime scene shows that he was confident that the job at hand was done.

Thats exactly what I was thinking . .  If someone was still after him, he wouldn't have been able to stop at the marina in broad daylight to make a phone call. 
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on February 19, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
I think and hope he killed her.  Desmond will work for Widmore now and try to get revenge.  Yeah it made me mad that Jack didn't ask what happened to him just like he didn't ask Kate what happened to Aaron.  Jack pissed me off this episode.

I don't believe that Des would ever work for Widmore though in order to get revenge for Penny against Ben.  I think Des will always blame Widmore for all of it.  Keeping him away from Penny for all of those years, and being that it is basically Widmore's fault that Ben was after Penny in the first place.  I really hope Penny isn't dead though . . . That would leave three orphaned kids from 7 People going back to the island . . .
Desmond - Charlie
Kate - Aaron
Sun - Ji Yeon
What's up with that?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Thomas on February 19, 2009, 11:45:59 AM
i really don't think Ben killed Penny.  there's no way in hell Des would have let him live if he had.  i do agree that Ben's business to take care of was to go after Penny and maybe Des beat the crap out of him for that

was completely ridiculous that Jack didn't even ask him what the heck happened.. typical lost lol

as for the poster who asked if that was the same marina where Des and Penny's picture was taken.. they were standing in front of a fake backdrop of Australia in that picture

I agree....it seemed too simple....Ben saying loose ends, then calling from the Marina.   Wouldn't that be a pretty boring reveal.    I think there was something else afoot and the marina was a coincedence.    Ben's been back for 3 years, I would have thought He'd have caught up with Penny before now, plus...Desmond left and Ben was still in the church lighting candles and being all nice...how would he have known where Desmond went?     I'm looking forward to getting a surprize when we see what he did.   I'll be disappointed if it was as simple as head to the marina, kill Penny and get beat up by Desmond.   Too predictable.  I bet he tried to mess with Widmore some other way and barely escaped with his life.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: CastawayCayley on February 19, 2009, 11:53:42 AM
One thing that I wonder about is the idea of Des being at the marina. I have no idea when the conversation with Widmore happened when he got Ms. Hawking's address, but this message seemed to be urgent. Would he have sailed to LA from London? How long does something like that take? I suppose he could have but I had assumed he flew there. Maybe the marina is a red herring? Maybe it's the same marina they were arguing at the night before and it's significant to Ben for another reason?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 19, 2009, 12:19:47 PM
HOWEVER, why he would be extradited to GUAM is beyond me, so there my theory falls short.  :)

If the marshal woman who had Sayid in custody was working for Ben anything is possible  :-\
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: lostieloo on February 19, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
Well, Ben has spent a good part of this show getting the crap beat out of him... maybe they think it's just par for the course.   :D  I bet he was even beat up by the little pre-teen Dharmites when he was a kid...

I was thinking that too.  He's spent an awful lot of screen time with his face banged up!  If he was beat up as a kid, that and father issues would go a long way to explain his psyche!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: solost on February 19, 2009, 12:37:50 PM
One thing that I wonder about is the idea of Des being at the marina. I have no idea when the conversation with Widmore happened when he got Ms. Hawking's address, but this message seemed to be urgent. Would he have sailed to LA from London? How long does something like that take? I suppose he could have but I had assumed he flew there. Maybe the marina is a red herring? Maybe it's the same marina they were arguing at the night before and it's significant to Ben for another reason?
My thoughts exactly!! This LOST, they are playing mind games with us. I believe the marina is being used to send us in the wrong direction. OR, Ben was so pissed that Jill ran out of PORTERHOUSE that he Fed her to the sharks.....she probably put up one helluva fight.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 19, 2009, 01:03:38 PM
Well, Ben has spent a good part of this show getting the crap beat out of him... maybe they think it's just par for the course.   :D  I bet he was even beat up by the little pre-teen Dharmites when he was a kid...

I thought it looked like his arm was in a cast, but I haven't re-watched, so maybe it was just a sling.  Either way, he needed some medical attention, I think.

Yeah it made me mad that Jack didn't ask what happened to him just like he didn't ask Kate what happened to Aaron.  Jack pissed me off this episode.

Just this episode?  Welcome to the club!  He p's me off every episode!  If he hadn't finally read the note from Locke, I would've reached right through the TV screen and strangled him.


I would've been mad if he didn't read it as well.  Jack has actually been tolerable post-island.  Maybe I just enjoyed seeing him a broken mess.  If Ben did anything other than kill or try to kill Penny, I'll be very disappointed.  There's nothing else that scene could've meant so the question is did Ben succeed or not?  I think he did for the sole reason that her character is worthless now and her death is the only thing I see that could reintegrate Desmond into the story.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Ladybug on February 19, 2009, 01:11:17 PM
I'd like to guess its Sayid, and thats how he got them to come...but he did have buisness with Pen...
this is what i'm thinking.  i think he was trying to get a way to get sayid there.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Ladybug on February 19, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
I thought the loose ends were getting Sayid and Hurley on board (literally). Do the lawyer thing with Hurley. And when he went to Sayid, Sayid beat him to a pulp. Ben could then press charges and Sayid is extradited, and hence on the plane in handcuffs.

HOWEVER, why he would be extradited to GUAM is beyond me, so there my theory falls short.  :)
i like this. 

but what if the cop, the cuffs, the whole kit and caboodle are fake.  what if the cop works FOR ben and THAT'S how he got sayid on there.  he's FAKING an extradition.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Ladybug on February 19, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
I'm with all y'all...Ben was at the marina, where Des's boat would be, and he had business to settle with Penny (namely, her death). I don't think he succeeded, though, because he was shaken up when he talked to Jack; if things had gone smoothly, he would have taken Locke to the airport himself. But he was still making the call from the marina, so if Des did beat him up, Ben seemed to be out of danger at least.

I think he was reading Ulysses because he wants to figure out what'll happen with Des and Penny....lol.
but ben COULDN'T have been the one to take locke to the airport.  it HAD to be jack.  JUST LIKE IN THE BEGINNING, with christian's body.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Shakey on February 19, 2009, 01:14:35 PM
There's nothing else that scene could've meant so the question is did Ben succeed or not?  I think he did for the sole reason that her character is worthless now and her death is the only thing I see that could reintegrate Desmond into the story.
Maybe Ben's attempt would be enough to get Desmond involved again.  Des would feel that Penny's life is in danger so long as Ben is out there.  He would know that Ben is headed back to the island because of the meeting at the church and the island would be the best place to find Ben.  Des' options would be to keep trying to hide Penny forever, hope to find Ben in civilization (if ever there was a needle in a haystack, this is it) or get Mrs. Hawking to help him get back to the island to kill Ben so that Penny would be safe.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Ladybug on February 19, 2009, 01:15:57 PM
I was surprised that Jack didn't ask him about it.
Wouldn't surprise me if they just leave it at 'something went wrong' and don't tell anything else...

Exactly what I was thinking! Why the hell didn't anyone (especially Jack now that he's got this new weird repore with Ben) ask what happened to him?! Someone really F'd him up and no one even batted an eye at it! ???
nobody asked because ben lies.  they wouldn't be able to believe anything he said.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: LostinLock on February 19, 2009, 01:22:41 PM
I also thought about Ben and you know, I think most of thought that he had achieved something, but I thought that perhaps Ben met up with some of Widmore's friends.  Let us face it if we don't believe that Charles has Penny and Desmond followed to LA for protection then we have not been watching the same show.

As much as Charles may dispise him for being weak (Desmond) He loves his daughter with all his heart, and Ben just may have been beaten up by yet another set of Keamy like folks.  I can only say this with a hopeful heart as remember the island is not yet done with Desmond.  And we do not know where Pen and lil Charlie were ;D
One thing that I wonder about is the idea of Des being at the marina. I have no idea when the conversation with Widmore happened when he got Ms. Hawking's address, but this message seemed to be urgent. Would he have sailed to LA from London? How long does something like that take? I suppose he could have but I had assumed he flew there. Maybe the marina is a red herring? Maybe it's the same marina they were arguing at the night before and it's significant to Ben for another reason?

CC right - did he fly or sail?  Long sail to make it there in a short time.  So now for the reality check.
We do not know if Desmond flew or sailed.  We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him.  
We do not know if Penny and little Charlie are there.  We do not know if this had anything to do with Des and Penny.  Yes we all agree that Ben has a vendetta against Widmore.

Also someone mentioned this beign the same marina in the picture.  That picture was not taken in front of a real marina it was a photo, one in the same maybe, but again nice forshadowing there.

Also how would Ben know that Desmond was on a boat and with Penny.  He appeared to be shocked to see Desmond.  

If anything Widmore had some boys around if he did find his way to Penny.  

My other thought on this is that Ben may have messed himself up or perhaps he ran into Annie or other friends.  We know how well loved the man is. :-\
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: LostinLock on February 19, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
How do we know that Sayid was extradited?  We don't he was handcuffed.

He was brought there under duress
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Ladybug on February 19, 2009, 01:38:41 PM
How do we know that Sayid was extradited?  We don't he was handcuffed.

He was brought there under duress
i agree.  he's on the plane against his will. 

what still strikes me as odd is that sayid, the super soldier, is being held captive by one woman.  how is that?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Quofan on February 19, 2009, 01:59:55 PM
My first thought was that Ben killed Penny and she put up quite a fight.  However, I'm hoping that's not true, 'cause i like Penny and don't want to see her killed off.  As far as bodyguards?  Hasn't Widmore had a difficult time finding Penny?  After all, he asked Desmond how she was.  Another theory is Sayid did it to him in the process of being convinced to come, but Sayid looked pretty surprised to see Ben come on the plane (so did Hurley, so we can rule out him too).  To me the most likely theory is that he either killed or tried to kill Penny, and Desmond might have come to Penny's rescue (if she did live).  Ben killing Penny (or trying to kill her) would certainly give Desmond that feeling of revenge, leading him to (like Odysseus) to try to find that island.  I also think that Ben would have said something about exacting his revenge on Penny. After all, Ben doesn't seem to be afraid to go for the 'shock' value with things he has done, or his feelings (he didn't care what happened to the other passengers).  I am amazed that no one, especially Jack, asked what happened to him.  I mean, come on, that should have been a natural question to ask him, considering how he looked.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Still_lost06 on February 19, 2009, 02:25:54 PM
I'm really convinced that Ben did try to kill Penny. Or actually did kill her. In last night's episode Ben says to Jack that he made a promise to someone, that he has some loose ends to tie up. I think that promise is the one he made to Widmore last season. To kill his daughter because he killed Ben's daughter, kind of.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BurkRoyer on February 19, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
I think Penny was the one who beat the crap out of Ben : )
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on February 19, 2009, 03:12:27 PM
so did Ben get beat up after he got off the phone with Jack because when he was on the phone it look like he had blood splatter on him. I didn't see any cuts on his face. When he got on the plane he was all cut up. Weird  ???
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 19, 2009, 04:23:45 PM
His voice was shaking when he was talking to Jack on the phone, and he looked like he'd been through hell. All bloody and shaking, he seemed to me to have been in a pretty bad fight.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: CrashandCari on February 19, 2009, 04:25:46 PM
Great point about flying from England and not sailing.  Duh on not picking up on that one.

Can I ask a really dumb question? This has been eating at me and no one I know can give me an outright yes.  

Did Ben ever actually meet Desmond?  I sort of thought when Ben was being held in the Hatch Desmond was around but my friend swears he wasn't.  That Des had run off which is why Locke became in charge of pushing the button and then came back after Michael released Ben.

Remember there was a scene.. can't remember exactly when right now.. when Desmond's boat was discussed and I'm pretty sure Ben said something to the effect as "there's a boat on the island?" and he was geniuinely surprised about it.  That always made me think the Others had no clue Desmond was there.

So my second part to the question is.. regardless of whether or not Ben knew Des was on the island.  How did he ever connect Widmore's daughter to this guy?

Am I making sense?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Madam P on February 19, 2009, 04:28:59 PM

 Jack has actually been tolerable post-island.  Maybe I just enjoyed seeing him a broken mess. 

ROFL!   :D
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: hyperform on February 19, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
you are making sense, i don't believe that they ever had a scene together, but I believe it was Expose where we saw that Ben and Julliette went to the Pearl station and were watching the monitors of the losties in the hatch, so because of that I would think that Ben would have done the same when Des was in there by himself and with Kelvin.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Souldrinker on February 19, 2009, 04:33:45 PM
My guess is Ben was going to kill Penny , got beaten the **** out of himself (I think Des or Sayid) and was thrown into the water (he was wet) presumed to be dead , but he can't die , so he came out of it alive and made his call to Jack when the one who kicked his ass was allready gone...
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 19, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
Good thought, I honestly just assumed they knew of each other (or at least Ben kne Desmond). They certainly didn't seemed surprised by thier meeting at the church. Plus I'm sure Ben knows EVERYTHING about Penny, so he would know about Des that way too.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Ladybug on February 19, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
you are making sense, i don't believe that they ever had a scene together, but I believe it was Expose where we saw that Ben and Julliette went to the Pearl station and were watching the monitors of the losties in the hatch, so because of that I would think that Ben would have done the same when Des was in there by himself and with Kelvin.
exactly.  ben knew who desmond was.  he'd been watching him for 3 years
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 19, 2009, 04:40:02 PM
My guess is Ben was going to kill Penny , got beaten the **** out of himself (I think Des or Sayid) and was thrown into the water (he was wet) presumed to be dead , but he can't die , so he came out of it alive and made his call to Jack when the one who kicked his ass was allready gone...

...and if it were Sayid, that would explain Sayid's shocked expression when Ben came on the plane...
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 19, 2009, 04:41:34 PM
No I don't think it was Sayid. He was just as surprised to see Jack as he was Ben. It had to be someone related to Penny, like Widmore or one of his "men".
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Beej on February 19, 2009, 04:47:08 PM
My feeling is that Ben didn't kill Penny, because Ben doesn't care if Des wasn't on the plane because Des didn't crash on the Island so he probably wouldn't be caught up in the flash like to O6. I believe he has to get there by boat again.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 19, 2009, 04:49:07 PM
Why else would Des need to go back to the Island anyway??? We only know that he will because Mrs Hawkings said the island wasn't finished with him yet.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: opgelost on February 19, 2009, 04:59:34 PM
He has to push the button.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 19, 2009, 05:02:41 PM
lol :)
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 19, 2009, 05:09:01 PM
I think he brutally throttled Penny to death. And who beat him up?? Maybe it was Penny, defending herself from this psycho dude that was killing her. I think this is going to be what makes Desmond go back to the island. Sorry if that was all said, I didn't read all of the posts.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Mommainternet on February 21, 2009, 08:40:27 AM
That was definitely the promise he had to keep with an old friend.

I hope he didn't kill her.  I think Charles had people there to protect her (plus Des & Charlie) since he knew that's where they would be.  

Oh man, I didn't even put 2 and 2 together - Ben running into Des gave him the clue that Penny was within striking distance.  It does not look good for her.

I didn't put this together either.  And I really like Penny and the Penny/Des storyline but it would make sense as a way to get Desmond back to the island.  But I'd think he'd have to get there by boat because that's how he originally wound up there.  Still not going to be happy to hear that Penny really was the loose end he was tying up.  She was one of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Brimstone on February 22, 2009, 11:50:06 PM
I think Ben killed both Penny and Charlie. Not without a fight, thus his bloodied and sodden appearance. Anything to get Des back to the island
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 23, 2009, 05:12:02 PM
We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him. 

Sure we do. Penny said so in the boat when Des came back and said that the address was in LA, so said, "Well, I guess we're going to LA with you then." Or something to that nature.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: hyperform on February 24, 2009, 01:12:22 AM
We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him. 

Sure we do. Penny said so in the boat when Des came back and said that the address was in LA, so said, "Well, I guess we're going to LA with you then." Or something to that nature.
well if that is the case, that is the fastest boat known to man
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: LouE68 on February 24, 2009, 01:27:03 AM
We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him. 

Sure we do. Penny said so in the boat when Des came back and said that the address was in LA, so said, "Well, I guess we're going to LA with you then." Or something to that nature.
well if that is the case, that is the fastest boat known to man
they went through one of the worm holes....or it just happend at a different time
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: JBRam on February 24, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him. 

Sure we do. Penny said so in the boat when Des came back and said that the address was in LA, so said, "Well, I guess we're going to LA with you then." Or something to that nature.
well if that is the case, that is the fastest boat known to man
they went through one of the worm holes....or it just happend at a different time
I think Lou's second theory is right, here. If the boat is there (which I'm betting it is), I don't think that they had to travel at supersonic speeds. Remember that there have been three years off-island and we don't really have a date for any of what Des has done (other than by looking at how old Charlie is and that's just approximate).
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: lostieloo on February 24, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 24, 2009, 01:34:09 PM
Yup! I agree too!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: JBRam on February 24, 2009, 01:35:31 PM
Woot. Two agrees in less than three minutes!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Lyricc96 on February 24, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
:)
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 24, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
Im leaning more towards he tried to kill her but did not complete the task.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Bostonlost on February 24, 2009, 04:57:12 PM
I think Ben killed both Penny and Charlie. Not without a fight, thus his bloodied and sodden appearance. Anything to get Des back to the island

I might buy Penny being hurt or killed......but not Charlie

For some reason I don't think we have seen the last of Aaron, Ji Yeon, and Charlie and the three might play a big part in things to come

I do think what ever happened on the docks sends Desmond out on another boat to find and kill Ben

Another trip out at sea for odysseus
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 24, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him. 

Sure we do. Penny said so in the boat when Des came back and said that the address was in LA, so said, "Well, I guess we're going to LA with you then." Or something to that nature.
well if that is the case, that is the fastest boat known to man
they went through one of the worm holes....or it just happend at a different time
I think Lou's second theory is right, here. If the boat is there (which I'm betting it is), I don't think that they had to travel at supersonic speeds. Remember that there have been three years off-island and we don't really have a date for any of what Des has done (other than by looking at how old Charlie is and that's just approximate).

I really want to believe that myself, but something tells me that if this was that important of a message, he wouldn't have sailed. I don't know what route he would have taken, but either way, it's got to be a while. I am on board with the "Ben killed Penny in the boat" theory, but it is kind of a flimsy one.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Mommainternet on February 25, 2009, 07:29:00 AM
We do know Penny said she would go to LA with him. 

Sure we do. Penny said so in the boat when Des came back and said that the address was in LA, so said, "Well, I guess we're going to LA with you then." Or something to that nature.
well if that is the case, that is the fastest boat known to man
they went through one of the worm holes....or it just happend at a different time
I think Lou's second theory is right, here. If the boat is there (which I'm betting it is), I don't think that they had to travel at supersonic speeds. Remember that there have been three years off-island and we don't really have a date for any of what Des has done (other than by looking at how old Charlie is and that's just approximate).

I agree with this.  We don't have a time frame for when these events have been happening for Desmond.  I'd always thought they'd fly to LA.  Maybe the marina scene was to throw us off.  Still thinking on this one.

I don't think Ben killed Charlie.  Penny's a real possibility, but not Charlie. 
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: lostfromthestart on February 25, 2009, 09:22:10 AM
Penny is not dead.  If Ben tried he was thwarted by Des or more likely Widmore goons.

- if Widmore goons, this could cause a reconciliation with her father for saving her
- if Des, this could also cause a reconciliation with her father for saving his daughter.

Just think of the potential plot twists if Des, Penny and Widmore join forces.  And if Hawkins is in cahoots with Widmore already, and playing Ben from both sides, then we got a good old fashioned Lost double-whammy coming up.


Ahhhhh, I love this show.
Title: Who beat up Ben?
Post by: lostgirl2 on March 12, 2009, 12:40:15 AM
Beat up Ben calls Jack from the marina... who is hurt or dead?  Penny, Desmond, little Charlie?  If Penny is gone, it gives Desmond purpose to return to the island for some Ben vengence....
Title: Re: Who beat up Ben?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 12, 2009, 12:45:55 AM
There's a lot of speculation about this in this thread:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=8684.0

Hope it helps...post in it, bump it up, and I bet more people will respond... :)
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: joshzam on March 12, 2009, 11:06:07 PM
Ben killed Penny. Widmore finds out and freaks. Widmore then, in a desperate attempt to change history and save his daughter, works with his Island sweetheart Mrs. Hawkings to unstick Desmond in time and change the events leading up to Penny's death. This is why Desmond is different and why time doesn't affect him the same way it affects everyone else.

Waddaya think?
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: grizn0 on March 13, 2009, 09:26:33 AM
Ben killed Penny. Widmore finds out and freaks. Widmore then, in a desperate attempt to change history and save his daughter, works with his Island sweetheart Mrs. Hawkings to unstick Desmond in time and change the events leading up to Penny's death. This is why Desmond is different and why time doesn't affect him the same way it affects everyone else.

Waddaya think?

But as far as we know... you can't change whats happened. And I stress "as far as we know"
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: joshzam on March 14, 2009, 05:56:40 AM
Ben killed Penny. Widmore finds out and freaks. Widmore then, in a desperate attempt to change history and save his daughter, works with his Island sweetheart Mrs. Hawkings to unstick Desmond in time and change the events leading up to Penny's death. This is why Desmond is different and why time doesn't affect him the same way it affects everyone else.

Waddaya think?

But as far as we know... you can't change whats happened. And I stress "as far as we know"

You can't change what happened, but Desmond can!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Harry Erickson on March 18, 2009, 01:25:09 AM
I think he kills Penny and maybe Charlie but then desmond kicks the SH1T out of him
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 18, 2009, 03:32:45 AM
Ben killed Penny. Widmore finds out and freaks. Widmore then, in a desperate attempt to change history and save his daughter, works with his Island sweetheart Mrs. Hawkings to unstick Desmond in time and change the events leading up to Penny's death. This is why Desmond is different and why time doesn't affect him the same way it affects everyone else.

Waddaya think?

But as far as we know... you can't change whats happened. And I stress "as far as we know"

You can't change what happened, but Desmond can!

Loved that.
I know he planned to kill Penny...and as much as I like her character (and I would be sad for Des)...I hope Ben did kill her.  It will heighten the excitement of this season by a million!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 18, 2009, 12:51:37 PM
Loved that.
I know he planned to kill Penny...and as much as I like her character (and I would be sad for Des)...I hope Ben did kill her.  It will heighten the excitement of this season by a million!

Plus, it would be a really "LOST" thing to do to kill her off so suddenly and violently.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: HugeJohnLockeFan on April 09, 2009, 10:14:33 AM
I was right, it was Desmond.  ;D
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 09, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
DAMMIT!! WHY CAN I NEVER BE RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING ANYMORE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: opgelost on April 09, 2009, 10:45:41 AM
Lol, I was completely wrong too.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: Shakey on April 09, 2009, 11:53:59 AM
DAMMIT!! WHY CAN I NEVER BE RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING ANYMORE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Because.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: hyperform on April 09, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
because the writers know what we are thinking, they are nerds just like us, and they watch the show and try to think like us, and then do the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 09, 2009, 05:17:39 PM
because the writers know what we are thinking, they are nerds just like us, and they watch the show and try to think like us, and then do the exact opposite.

Yeah, but that's stupid for the stupid writers to do stupid things like that stupid thing.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: hyperform on April 10, 2009, 12:00:55 AM
Relax Bob, or you will be wearing a tin foil hat by the end of the week
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see this is us
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 10, 2009, 01:14:39 AM
Relax Bob, or you will be wearing a tin foil hat by the end of the week
(http://www.gaijinside.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/vlcsnap-107457.png)
see this is us

Can I be the homeless guy?? I like hitting people on the head with bottles.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 10, 2009, 01:18:47 AM
Until the image loaded, I was picturing the foil hats in Signs! lol
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 10, 2009, 01:30:18 AM
Until the image loaded, I was picturing the foil hats in Signs! lol


We're not dorks PL, give us some credit. LOL
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 10, 2009, 01:34:41 AM
Until the image loaded, I was picturing the foil hats in Signs! lol


We're not dorks PL, give us some credit. LOL
LOL  Sorry!  Geeks...nerds....but not dorks.


I still remember you 2 saying that "time is purple" in video games.  That conversation alone earned you each like 1,000 geek points. ;D
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on April 10, 2009, 03:34:07 AM
Until the image loaded, I was picturing the foil hats in Signs! lol


Me too!!! lol
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 10, 2009, 01:31:35 PM
Until the image loaded, I was picturing the foil hats in Signs! lol


We're not dorks PL, give us some credit. LOL
LOL  Sorry!  Geeks...nerds....but not dorks.


I still remember you 2 saying that "time is purple" in video games.  That conversation alone earned you each like 1,000 geek points. ;D

Okay, that's fair, but time IS purple.
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 10, 2009, 01:33:56 PM
Until the image loaded, I was picturing the foil hats in Signs! lol


We're not dorks PL, give us some credit. LOL
LOL  Sorry!  Geeks...nerds....but not dorks.


I still remember you 2 saying that "time is purple" in video games.  That conversation alone earned you each like 1,000 geek points. ;D

Okay, that's fair, but time IS purple.
Don't worry!  Being King of the Geeks is a good thing to most girls around here! ;D
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 10, 2009, 02:13:46 PM
So I'm a king now?? LOL Effing SWEET!!
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on April 10, 2009, 07:04:56 PM
LOL  Sorry!  Geeks...nerds....but not dorks.


I still remember you 2 saying that "time is purple" in video games.  That conversation alone earned you each like 1,000 geek points. ;D

Okay, that's fair, but time IS purple.
Don't worry!  Being King of the Geeks is a good thing to most girls around here! ;D
PL's got it all figured out.  ;)
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: hyperform on April 10, 2009, 09:57:13 PM
I totally forgot about that, TIME IS PURPLE
Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 11, 2009, 02:51:13 AM
If you say so! LOL

Title: Re: Who kicked the crap out of Ben?
Post by: LostinLock on April 11, 2009, 02:02:44 PM
I think it was Desmond (or possibly Widmore's men) who kicked the crap outta Ben when he went after Penny - he did have a loose thread to deal with.


or it was him....just because  ;)

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Jungle Otter also called it was Desmond