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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 5 => Episode 5x03 => Topic started by: dragonflyk on January 29, 2009, 01:42:52 AM

Title: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: dragonflyk on January 29, 2009, 01:42:52 AM
I don't know if this was brought up at all, but I was just going over the hatch door videos...

There was Latin and English written on the Hatch door.... How did the two before Desmond (Inman/ Karpinzky spelling???) know Latin??

Maybe I am totally trying to relate the two, and it has nothing to do with anything....but I was curious on everyone else's thoughts...

So...THOUGHTS??  ;D

Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Lion of Atreides on January 29, 2009, 03:35:37 AM
Yeah, and martial arts must then be 'Others 102'.  But at what point did Juliet start to spend all this time learning how to kick ass, and take names in Latin? Wasn't she focused on solving the mother-baby problem, while spending any free time with Goodwin, or getting oggled by Ben, going to therapy, or attending her book club?

Good catch on the blast door/Others 101 connection.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: uofapiglet on January 29, 2009, 04:39:02 AM
Latin has always been an interesting part of Lost... blast door, tabula rasa, deus ex machina, via domus, philosophical debates... Apparently Juliet referred to it as "the language of the enlightened"... Tough to learn even though it's considered a dead language, probably because you can say the same thing in multiple ways depending on the verb suffices.

Wonder what other classes they offer at Others University. The book club was probably part of the curriculum.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Staggerlee on January 29, 2009, 10:15:04 AM

Interesting that Jacob comes from the Latin Iacobus which means supplanter which is the noun form of the verb supplant which means to supersede and replace.

Iacobus and Iacomus are the same, the latter turning to James in English the former to Jacob.

Does Mssr. Ford have more to do?
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: zeekloveslost on January 29, 2009, 11:01:50 AM
I heart word nerds.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Creflo on January 29, 2009, 11:09:01 AM
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Interesting that Jacob comes from the Latin Iacobus which means supplanter which is the noun form of the verb supplant which means to supersede and replace.

When Jacob was first introduced in Lost, I went with the biblical origins of the name which have to do with the story of Jacob and Esau.  Esau came out first (and would've been the rightful heir to Isaac) but Jacob was grasping his heel, therefore he was given the name יַעֲקֹב which means heel-grabber.  One of his sons was named Benjamin.

I took Latin in high school primarily because it is a common root of so many other languages.  I'd say that any of the British Others we saw last night were heavily schooled in the language by age 14.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: zeekloveslost on January 29, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
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I'd say that any of the British Others we saw last night were heavily schooled in the language by age 14.

Agreed. They did very well. Juliette, however, not so much. (I took Latin in 7th grade - gotta love NYC schools)
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 29, 2009, 03:13:51 PM
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Interesting that Jacob comes from the Latin Iacobus which means supplanter which is the noun form of the verb supplant which means to supersede and replace.

When Jacob was first introduced in Lost, I went with the biblical origins of the name which have to do with the story of Jacob and Esau.  Esau came out first (and would've been the rightful heir to Isaac) but Jacob was grasping his heel, therefore he was given the name יַעֲקֹב which means heel-grabber.  One of his sons was named Benjamin.

I took Latin in high school primarily because it is a common root of so many other languages.  I'd say that any of the British Others we saw last night were heavily schooled in the language by age 14.

I remember you doing that and I remember reading that! it was very interesting too
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: thewarlord on January 29, 2009, 10:06:53 PM
I'm perturbed once again that an 'other' in this case Juliet is providing a hint about what it means to be an other and neither Sawyer nor Locke follow up on it.  The whole "Others 101" thing came off like she was being smart, but the fact remains that see speaks conversation latin (more than a Dr. would remember I think.  If nothing else a quick discussion about "Otherdom" would make good traveling entertainment.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: RM on January 30, 2009, 02:09:11 AM
Does this tie in with the "Island is Atlantis" theory?  (Our island "disappeared into the sea" just like the "real" Atlantis.)

So the "real" Atlantis has supposedly been determined to be San Torini(sp?) in the Mediterranean (where a city built on the side of a supervolcanic island blew up when the eruption and tsunami destroyed it).  So, is San Torini near Italy?  Would the inhabitants have spoken Latin?  (Or is Latin a much later language than the era of Atlantis?)


Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Matt_at_TSH on January 30, 2009, 02:21:45 AM
Ive always thought that the conotations of an ancient civilization originally inhabiting the island has been omnipresent in the show. From the 4 toed statue to the temple and other landmarks, clues have been given that people have inhabited the Island for centuries. Is it posible that these "stoic" peoples native tounge may have been latin? I am all but certain that when we finally see temple, we will get some back story on these ancient others and how Alpert is one of them and may be passing on their teachings.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: CastawayCayley on January 30, 2009, 08:29:29 AM
Does this tie in with the "Island is Atlantis" theory?  (Our island "disappeared into the sea" just like the "real" Atlantis.)

I had heard people mention it might be Atlantis before the island moved but dismissed the idea. Now that it has actually "disappeared" I am seeing that it might be actually plausible...
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Staggerlee on January 30, 2009, 10:13:21 AM


If that be the case, I could see just walking away...

Am not totally dismissive of the idea, but if someone stands op (on the show) and says, "Yes, Jack, this is Atlantis..." that would be patently absurd, and I do not believe they will go that route.

Now it being said that the Isle through time led to what is the mythology that is Atlantis...(not as stinky as Brie, but still a bit of the curdled milk sense about it)....the disappearing city that whom was it, Aristotle? that wrote the history of it...? No it was Plato, regardless there are other mythologies that are far more interesting that could be tapped, and I rather see them creating new and tapping many to tie the knot of these old things together...
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: CastawayCayley on January 30, 2009, 12:32:39 PM

Now it being said that the Isle through time led to what is the mythology that is Atlantis...(not as stinky as Brie, but still a bit of the curdled milk sense about it)....the disappearing city that whom was it, Aristotle? that wrote the history of it...? No it was Plato, regardless there are other mythologies that are far more interesting that could be tapped, and I rather see them creating new and tapping many to tie the knot of these old things together...

well, thats what I mean by plausible... perhaps the island was moved, and people who knew it used to be there tried to make sense of it by coming up with the story that it sank... hey, it's a moving frickin' island... it's already a little wacky to begin with, why not have some historical significance?
lol;) ;D

 
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: bleev on January 30, 2009, 12:37:22 PM
Wouldn't the crew of an 18th century sailing ship be pretty good with Latin?

Thanks for all the active member insights. I'm sure there a many like me who enjoy want can be found here, but just do not participate.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Staggerlee on January 30, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
Good point 'Cay, makes friggin'* sense!!








* I like friggin' as opposed to frickin', hehehehehe



Bleev, not so sure about that, would prob'ly depend on the port of the ship, and it's crew make up, but by and large by the 18th century I think that while it was not a dead language, it was already a language reserved for specific levels or what have you, the Church, Science maybe....
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: MangoBingo on January 30, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
I thought it was a pretty good hint that Others are made, rather than "born that way". Yes, I know that no babies have been born on the Island for some time, but seeing as some Others can evidently come and go as they please, this is a moot point.

How would an adult like Juliet learn Latin such a short space of time? Do they brainwash it into them?
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: SQUIRT199 on January 30, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
3 yearas, a little practice every day,

After working on the pregnancy issue every day, what else would she have to do?

Quite plausible.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Staggerlee on January 30, 2009, 05:10:54 PM
3 yearas, a little practice every day,

After working on the pregnancy issue every day, what else would she have to do?

Quite plausible.

Very much so, though she did have to be prepared for Ben's Book Club meetings too...


How does  that saying go..."No TV No Beer make Homer go something something..."
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: MangoBingo on January 30, 2009, 05:15:07 PM
...and she has time to bake muffins too!!!

It's all very... odd.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Staggerlee on January 30, 2009, 05:25:10 PM
I'll eat muffins with her....mmmmmmmmmmmmmbuttery muuuuuuuufffffffffffffffffiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnsssssssssss...
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: MangoBingo on January 30, 2009, 06:23:25 PM
I'll eat muffins with her....mmmmmmmmmmmmmbuttery muuuuuuuufffffffffffffffffiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnsssssssssss...

 :D
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Mrs Hume on January 30, 2009, 08:08:29 PM
maybe they put you in Room 23  before you " become" an other. Learn latin and everything there is to know to be an other in 3 short hrs (and all for 2 easy payments of 19.99 !) lol ;)
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: LostinAlaska on January 31, 2009, 01:08:07 AM
I'm perturbed once again that an 'other' in this case Juliet is providing a hint about what it means to be an other and neither Sawyer nor Locke follow up on it.  The whole "Others 101" thing came off like she was being smart, but the fact remains that see speaks conversation latin (more than a Dr. would remember I think.  If nothing else a quick discussion about "Otherdom" would make good traveling entertainment.


omgoodness I felt the same way about Juliet. I know we have seen the sisterly (and adulterous) side of her, but I can't shake that she is hiding so much more then we know. Not just because she know Latin, but just little things make me raise my eyebrows in distrust.

Does this tie in with the "Island is Atlantis" theory?  (Our island "disappeared into the sea" just like the "real" Atlantis.)

So the "real" Atlantis has supposedly been determined to be San Torini(sp?) in the Mediterranean (where a city built on the side of a supervolcanic island blew up when the eruption and tsunami destroyed it).  So, is San Torini near Italy?  Would the inhabitants have spoken Latin?  (Or is Latin a much later language than the era of Atlantis?)

This guy has Italy written all over him: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Avellino
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Bostonlost on January 31, 2009, 02:06:12 AM
What if this is Richard's native language?....Saying this with a straight face..........

I have a theory floating around in me noggin that

Richard just might have mastered time travel

Richard just might be from Ancient Rome

There is a lot of mixing of mythology here....Just look at Desmond....Walt...Richard...Locke: Would you not call them ancient heroes? Touched by the Gods?

Desmond is a perfect example of how his life is very similar to Odysseus

My theory on the Island is that it is ATLANTIS
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: hatch4815162342 on January 31, 2009, 02:47:08 PM
Richard does look like he could be alittle meditarranian with his dark hair and dark brown eyes...
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: MangoBingo on January 31, 2009, 02:57:29 PM
Richard does look like he could be alittle meditarranian with his dark hair and dark brown eyes...

Maybe not Ancient Rome but the Mediteranean; around the time of ships like The Black Rock exporting slaves to America. It wasn't just the British whom had a slave trade. The Portuguese did too - in fact they were the first.

That wouldn't explain his distinctly American accent though.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: laklost on January 31, 2009, 03:30:04 PM
maybe they put you in Room 23  before you " become" an other. Learn latin and everything there is to know to be an other in 3 short hrs (and all for 2 easy payments of 19.99 !) lol ;)

I'm reading along, wrapping my happy head around all these good theories, and then I read this.  BAH!  Love you, Mrs. Hume!  :D
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: Bostonlost on January 31, 2009, 03:39:15 PM
I like the Black Rock Idea ....

What about Jacob, Richard, Magnus Hanso, Widmore as the crew and Abandon a slave freed
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: laklost on January 31, 2009, 03:43:18 PM
High five, Bostonlost!  We can't forget these characters.  Makes me wonder too what the DeGroots were able to figure out about the island that sent them there with Dharma.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: LostinLock on February 28, 2009, 09:02:29 PM
Well, we know why and how now, it was the 1954 picture of the military that started the lampost looking for the island and the Black Rock's Log that also had information to bring them there..

I still say the Dharma Initiative was a cover and I believe it has been show that in fact the DI was there to do what they said they were doing, but this the underlying knowledge as Dr. Candleman aka Chang, knew of "rules" and he either was obeying them or knew more about them.

Frankly there could have been an agreement with the others and allowing the DI to go there to do their research.  So someone says okay folks you found us you are interetsted in the island "powers" and lets them go and do what they want with limitations.

Any of the Powers to be might have encountered issues with the others vice versa and thus the fence being put up etc.

But I digress Juliette should be sharing more than she is.  She knows about the island, perhaps that is why they had counseling, due to the information that was shared. 

Who knows, but frankly I also hope it is not anything lame like Atlantis.

Rambling sorry ;D
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on March 01, 2009, 02:33:17 AM
Rambling is good, Lil! That's where all the really good theories come from.  :)

I think the "Atlantis" approach would be lame, too. There are so many better stories...so many more important stories...that to fall back on this would be a waste of those talented, well-read writers.
Title: Re: Latin is "Others 101"....
Post by: LostinLock on March 01, 2009, 11:42:15 AM
But all my theories are good  ;)  rambling or not ;D ;)  just joking.

There were many thoughts in this and I had to put it down b4 they left my brain