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Title: Baby Charlie
Post by: Folly529 on January 28, 2009, 11:09:02 PM
I love that they named the baby for Charlie!
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Asmodean on January 28, 2009, 11:10:01 PM
A great way to honor him.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: vickilynn on January 28, 2009, 11:10:22 PM
I know; that really made me smile  :)
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Jungle Otter on January 28, 2009, 11:10:39 PM
Way to go Des  ;D
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Maxor127 on January 28, 2009, 11:16:18 PM
At first I thought why did he name the baby after Penny's asshole dad?  I'd completely forgotten about the hobbit.  I'd still like to know if there's some significance to both characters being named Charlie.  It's not like they ran out of names and couldn't have used a different one for either character.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: hyperform on January 28, 2009, 11:26:24 PM
I teared up when he said his name
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Bostonlost on January 29, 2009, 12:06:18 AM
Hey nice touch
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Ladybug on January 29, 2009, 12:51:33 AM
i thought it was sweet too, except it's the same name as her dad.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: AstroJones on January 29, 2009, 01:14:07 AM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: darinfic on January 29, 2009, 01:16:59 AM
We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.

hahaha!

however, penny being adopted would be a nice parallel to ben/alex!

i'm thinking there has to be a reason that penny's mother hasn't been mentioned/shown.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: hyperform on January 29, 2009, 01:51:24 AM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

you totally beat me to this, I just rewatched the episode and was thinking a very similar thing.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: KoKoNut on January 29, 2009, 03:13:55 AM
Wow, I never thought of that. I thought that they named their son after Charlie, you know, our Charlie from Driveshaft. I thought it was for sentimental purposes because Charlie was the one who first contacted Penny and let her know that Desmond was okay.  And he sacrificed his life right before Desmond's eyes.   So now I am really wondering what is the real story here.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: PK on January 29, 2009, 07:46:53 AM
I think baby Charlie could be Charlie Pace from Driveshaft.  Look at the mark on the right side of the baby's face.  Charlie Pace has the same mark in the same place only it's kinda hidden under his beard. Some shots show it clearly though (http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/13839/15_2007/claire%20and%20charlie.jpg)

Coincidence? 
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: vickilynn on January 29, 2009, 08:35:41 AM
I think baby Charlie could be Charlie Pace from Driveshaft.  Look at the mark on the right side of the baby's face.  Charlie Pace has the same mark in the same place only it's kinda hidden under his beard. Some shots show it clearly though (http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/13839/15_2007/claire%20and%20charlie.jpg)

Coincidence? 

Now that would be "creepy!"
I just took it to mean that Des named the baby after Driveshaft Charlie because of all they went through.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Ladybug on January 29, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
I think baby Charlie could be Charlie Pace from Driveshaft.  Look at the mark on the right side of the baby's face.  Charlie Pace has the same mark in the same place only it's kinda hidden under his beard. Some shots show it clearly though (http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/13839/15_2007/claire%20and%20charlie.jpg)

Coincidence? 

Now that would be "creepy!"
I just took it to mean that Des named the baby after Driveshaft Charlie because of all they went through.
i think that's what happened.  i just don't know that i would name my kid charlie (even if it was my dead bff) if my dad was charles and an a** hole.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Asmodean on January 29, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Good point! ;D
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: WG?JIFFY on January 29, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
IMHO...I think it is safe to say he was named after Charlie Pace. Nothing to do with Daddy Widmore.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: KoKoNut on January 29, 2009, 01:13:43 PM
I think baby Charlie could be Charlie Pace from Driveshaft.  Look at the mark on the right side of the baby's face.  Charlie Pace has the same mark in the same place only it's kinda hidden under his beard. Some shots show it clearly though (http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/13839/15_2007/claire%20and%20charlie.jpg)

Coincidence? 

If this were true, then how do we explain Charlie's older brother Liam. I think they just named him Charlie, that's all.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Madam P on January 29, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

wow, i should explode with wtfness if this happened... so creepy and trippy and perfect

I agree.  Wow, what a brain-buster that would be!

I just took it that Desmond was honoring "our" Charlie -- they became kind of close when Des was trying to save his life... Charlie answering Penny's phone call right before he died sort of brought Des and Penny back together... all that.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: KoKoNut on January 29, 2009, 03:53:34 PM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

wow, i should explode with wtfness if this happened... so creepy and trippy and perfect

I agree.  Wow, what a brain-buster that would be!

I just took it that Desmond was honoring "our" Charlie -- they became kind of close when Des was trying to save his life... Charlie answering Penny's phone call right before he died sort of brought Des and Penny back together... all that.

I agree Madame P!  :)
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Madam P on January 29, 2009, 03:57:41 PM
I agree Madame P!  :)

Thanks!  And I like your "yum" picture.  LOL!
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on January 29, 2009, 11:49:31 PM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)




You will be the first to be awarded the newly and aptly named IRISH POP TART, which is a Guinness and open faced PB&J with your choice of Jam (b/c jelly is yucky)!!

Congrats!

 ;D
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 30, 2009, 12:15:31 AM
charlie is obviously named after hobbit charlie
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: laklost on January 30, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
And if one of this show's main themes is parenthood - specifically fatherhood, I was more than satisified to see Des already a caring father with probably the most beautiful little boy I've seen since my Jake was three.  I think the connection between Charlie Pace, Penny and Desmond is about how one gave his life so the two could be together.  Charlie Hume is the next generation with a whole new set of chances and a different story to tell.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: AstroJones on January 30, 2009, 04:23:24 PM
VERY well said Lak.  Beautiful.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: SQUIRT199 on January 30, 2009, 05:04:28 PM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

Even if it's just for fun,

a very interesting theory,

I am sure he is named after Charlie pace but wouldnt it be interesting to play out that way,

Maybe widmore figures since Desmond is special, him not meeting/marrying Penny would cause him (widmore) not to be born and the future could be changed?,

Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: hyperform on January 30, 2009, 08:24:22 PM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...
For the record, I don't actually think this will happen, but it nicely illustrates the world we're living in now with time travel on Lost.

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)




You will be the first to be awarded the newly and aptly named IRISH POP TART, which is a Guinness and open faced PB&J with your choice of Jam (b/c jelly is yucky)!!

Congrats!

 ;D
Wow, I feel so special for having named that.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Mommainternet on February 02, 2009, 09:07:11 AM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

I was doing some thinking and realized for the first time that they'd named the baby not only after Charlie which I loved, but that meant they were also naming him after Penny's father which didn't make sense.

Then I thought about it some more and thought do shows ever name characters the same name - not usually.  It gets confusing, even though it's Charles and Charlie, still too similar.

At first when I read your post I thought too far out there, but . . . it's very interesting and definitely made me go Hmmm. . . . . .  And you might be on to something.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Wishbone on February 02, 2009, 10:26:55 AM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

Thats a great theory, maybe you can get a job on the show.

When I first heard them call him Charlie I immediately thought of Widmore not Pace, it was only when I came on here that I even thought about the other Charlie - how quickly I forget!
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: KoKoNut on February 02, 2009, 11:30:57 AM
Hey everyone, here's a twisted theory for you...

We will discover in an upcoming episode that Penny was adopted.
Then, towards the end of the series, Penny, Desmond, and Charlie will be forced to travel back 20 years before tonight's episode.  They'll have the island pretty much to themselves.  BEcause they'll have greater insight at this point, they'll raise Charlie, calling him Charles.
Charlie/Charles and Desmond will have a huge fight over something and then Desmond and Penny will die, and a very young Charles will bury them in the rape caves
Then, in memory of his mother (and because of his anger and hatred for his father) he'll take on her maiden name.  Widmore.

And 20 years later, in 1954 he's wearing a uniform with the name Jones on it.
Charles Widmore is Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie.  That's what this is all about!  I just figured out the entire thing.

Seriously...just having some fun.  ;)

Thats a great theory, maybe you can get a job on the show.

When I first heard them call him Charlie I immediately thought of Widmore not Pace, it was only when I came on here that I even thought about the other Charlie - how quickly I forget!


Wouldn't that be a kick in that pants???  :D
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 14, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
The podcast confirmed that he was named for Charlie Pace...NOT Charles Widmore.  Damon & Carlton talked (jokingly?  Sometimes you can't tell with those guys. lol) about a deleted scene where Desmond told Charles that his grandson specifically WASN'T named for him.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Asmodean on February 14, 2009, 09:45:33 PM
...and it's the zombie season we're in.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: Wishbone on February 15, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
So maybe that's why Charlie had to die - so Des would name his son after hoim and he could grow up to be Charles Widmore.

I know it's far fetched but come one - this is Lost - I'm not discounting any possibilities at this point :)
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: hyperform on February 15, 2009, 06:21:27 PM
I heard there is a deleted scene in Jughead where Desmond does answer some of Widmore's questions and tells him about their child, and Widmore taken aback says something to the effect of "why would you name him after me?" and of course Des answers with " we didn't name it after you, we named it after the man who gave his life so that I could see Penny again"
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: laklost on February 19, 2009, 09:05:48 PM
I heard there is a deleted scene in Jughead where Desmond does answer some of Widmore's questions and tells him about their child, and Widmore taken aback says something to the effect of "why would you name him after me?" and of course Des answers with " we didn't name it after you, we named it after the man who gave his life so that I could see Penny again"

Did you make that up?  It was good!  :D
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: hyperform on February 19, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
not at all, I sincerely heard that on a podcast, can't remember which one though.
Title: Re: Baby Charlie
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 21, 2009, 10:16:01 PM
The podcast confirmed that he was named for Charlie Pace...NOT Charles Widmore.  Damon & Carlton talked (jokingly?  Sometimes you can't tell with those guys. lol) about a deleted scene where Desmond told Charles that his grandson specifically WASN'T named for him.
I heard there is a deleted scene in Jughead where Desmond does answer some of Widmore's questions and tells him about their child, and Widmore taken aback says something to the effect of "why would you name him after me?" and of course Des answers with " we didn't name it after you, we named it after the man who gave his life so that I could see Penny again"

Did you make that up?  It was good!  :D
I think it was the 2/5 abc podcast.