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Title: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 18, 2009, 09:10:22 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 18, 2009, 09:38:27 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!

Yeah I had read that too, it is an interesting theory, but at the time Hurley said that to Jack, I don't believe Locke was dead or they knew Locke was dead.

Unless Locke is pulling a Christian!
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Ladybug on January 18, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!
that is interesting.  So are you saying that you believe that they CAN raise locke from the dead?  maybe the 'don't bring him back' statement is more that they aren't supposed to take locke's BODY back to the island?
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 18, 2009, 09:46:55 PM
That works also.

You are right about Locke not being dead yet. Jack was not in full beard during that Hurley trip. He was still with Kate.

But dead Charlie could be predicting the future.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 18, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Locke has to return part of the equation.   ;)


I think Ben knew that when he turned the wheel or perhaps learned afterwards that he needs all of these folks to get back.

Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Asmodean on January 18, 2009, 10:21:30 PM
I think he meant raising Aaron, but it wouldn't be the first time they snookered us.

Didn't the fake psychic tell Claire "You have to raise him."  If she's dead, how's that going to play into it?

Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 18, 2009, 10:45:54 PM
I think he meant raising Aaron, but it wouldn't be the first time they snookered us.

Didn't the fake psychic tell Claire "You have to raise him."  If she's dead, how's that going to play into it?


Correct he did and he told her she had to be on that flight.  I don't believe she is dead, well not yet, but, still believing she is a survivor.  If Charlie was speaking to Hurley then he could have meant the baby.  But you are correct they have played us enough times for us to say huh what?

I think we do get something about Claire this season and why, but we may not "see" her.

Oh I am so exicted!!!!!! ::)
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Asmodean on January 18, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
There's that weird vibe Miles was having around her too. 
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 18, 2009, 11:06:54 PM
Yeah, was acting odd around her, but I was not sure if that was Aaron or her?  But recalling the way Sawyer was reprimanding him about staying away from her, he could have picked up something.

queue eerie musak!
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 19, 2009, 04:49:15 PM
claire's not dead yet... she's just not gonna be in this season cause she's with christian/jacob
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 19, 2009, 04:55:18 PM
No one is stating for sure that she is dead, but it is a theory. She was  acting very weird at the end of the season, Miles was responding to her in a strange way, She left her baby in the middle of the jungle and she is hanging with dead Christian. Claire is dead is a conclusion that can be made from those statements.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Sunflower on January 19, 2009, 05:23:09 PM
I guess the stated theory could work.  I thought they were just talking about the body.

Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 19, 2009, 05:45:32 PM
i guess i can see where thats coming from... actually now that i think about it, it makes more sense to me... huh....wow... that would be crazy...
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 19, 2009, 07:19:33 PM
Glad we're discussing this interesting theory!

What makes it plausible is that in neither comment from Claire or Hurley do they reference Aaron's name - only "him."  Maybe Ben is telling Jack to bring Locke back to the Island because it is part of his sinister master plan somehow?  Maybe the Island doesn't want (or need) Locke back, but Ben is manipulating Jack to do so for some reason.  Claire and Charlie (through Hurley) are warning Jack and Kate.  And remember - Ben always has a plan.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 19, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
Ben does always have a plan and it is usually sinister.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 19, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
Glad we're discussing this interesting theory!

What makes it plausible is that in neither comment from Claire or Hurley do they reference Aaron's name - only "him."  Maybe Ben is telling Jack to bring Locke back to the Island because it is part of his sinister master plan somehow?  Maybe the Island doesn't want (or need) Locke back, but Ben is manipulating Jack to do so for some reason.  Claire and Charlie (through Hurley) are warning Jack and Kate.  And remember - Ben always has a plan.

In something nice back home when Jack visits Hurley and shares that he is living with Kate feeding the baby etc. Hurley says, I thought you didn't want to see him.  Then Jack said after the hearing he changed his mind.  Then Hurley shares the fact that charlie sits with him and speaks to him and gave him a message. You're not suppose to raise him Jack.  And Hurley asks Jack if he thinks Charlie means Aaron.  Jack is disturbed by all of this, so if there is another person he is not suppose to raise it is a new character.  BUT Jack at this point knows that is his nephew.  I still am not sure if Kate knows this, but it falls into place with what the physic said.  Of course we don't know who is not suppose to raise him, but in this instance I am going with the raising as that of a raising of a child.  When Jack gets home he questions Kate if he really is good with Aaron (ie: being a parent)  then asks her to marry him.  Later when he finds out she helped Sawyer they fought and he says you are not even related to him, so I imagine at this point Kate knows Aaron is his nephew.

Well, Kate (refering to Aaron) as I have to get back to him at the end of season three, so we thought it was someone else.  Claire was specific to Kate as do not bring him back,meaning her child.  guess we could speculate, but why would a mother hold her child and tell Kate not to bring him back? 



I also do not believe Claire is dead.  Agree she left the baby in an odd place, but somehow it appeared he was left in a "safe" place.  I think she was hypnotized or dazed but whatever the situation she recognized her Father and he must have had something compelling for her to leave her child.  I don't think she was "dead".   But whatever he told her it allowed her not to bring Aaron!

I think they use the word Him as a teaser, something to string our minds along.  let us face we are addicted.

Ben has to have a plan!  Otherwise we might be flopping around the island with Locke ;)
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Asmodean on January 19, 2009, 09:46:08 PM
I just can't stop thinking that they shot an RPG at the house which exploded and came down on her.  All or most things will become clearer soon enough though.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 19, 2009, 10:17:04 PM
Great points, LiL, especially the context of Hurley's conversation with Jack being quite clearly about Aaron and Claire saying those things to Kate while holding Aaron in her arms.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 20, 2009, 06:36:50 AM
E.S.B.  as with most things taken out of context you can interpret anything.  That is why i went back to see that episode.  I knew they were talking about something and it was Jack's conversation with Kate that brings me to a conclusion that it is Aaron.  If I am wrong I will admit it  ;)  btw thanks

Asmo not sure if you have been reading any of the front page articles but there is some insight to who is where in show.  A ruse perhaps but at this juncture I am holding that she is not "dead". 

Agreed that there could be more information in the end, but we know she is on hold this season.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Asmodean on January 20, 2009, 08:55:35 AM
That's usually my first stop Lil.  I go with the simplest explanation is usually the best.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 20, 2009, 09:32:33 AM
E.S.B.  as with most things taken out of context you can interpret anything.  That is why i went back to see that episode.  I knew they were talking about something and it was Jack's conversation with Kate that brings me to a conclusion that it is Aaron.  If I am wrong I will admit it  ;)  btw thanks

Asmo not sure if you have been reading any of the front page articles but there is some insight to who is where in show.  A ruse perhaps but at this juncture I am holding that she is not "dead". 

Agreed that there could be more information in the end, but we know she is on hold this season.
Everyone should read the front page articles!!!
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on January 20, 2009, 09:44:26 AM
I often forget about the front page - I only ever go straight to the forum pages. Mebbe you could stick a front page thread in there?

lol
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 21, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
Still waiting on a front page comment from you!!!

Doc Jensen clairified his point that we are talking about. He believes they are talking about not raising Christian Shepard from the dead. He theorizes that Christian is living between life and death. If Jack choosed one road Christian will live, if Jack does something different Christian will stay dead.

Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on January 21, 2009, 01:03:02 PM
OH I am going to read that article right now!!
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Madam P on January 21, 2009, 04:32:11 PM
I'm on board with Jensen about it being Locke.  I think those quotes are not referring to Aaron.  Yes, the context points there, but it's just too easy.  (Then again, I'm prime Dharma meat; I'll believe any wacko conspiracy theory anyone throws out there...)

Yes, Hurley assumed it was about Aaron because he doesn't know about Locke being dead, but the quote originated with Dead Charlie.  Dead Charlie is probably... someone else?  the Island?  speaking.  "It" knows about Locke (or Christian, whichever, but I'm going to stick with Locke because I don't want him dead and I want them to "bring him back" which clearly they will have to do if that quote is to mean anything... LOL!)

Also, we assume Aaron just because Dreaming-Kate and Dream-Generated-Claire are in Aaron's room at the time.  However, it could be that DGClaire is just having a little visit with Aaron, while at the same time delivering the message of "don't bring him back." 

I don't know... it just goes in with a long-held theory of mine that "ghosts" (for lack of a better term) aren't always that great at being specific in their communications.  They have a limited window, and can't or don't take the time to be as long-winded and specific as I tend to be...   :-[
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 21, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
You can see Jensen's new article here
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20250233_20253740,00.html
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 21, 2009, 06:11:23 PM
Still waiting on a front page comment from you!!!

Doc Jensen clairified his point that we are talking about. He believes they are talking about not raising Christian Shepard from the dead. He theorizes that Christian is living between life and death. If Jack choosed one road Christian will live, if Jack does something different Christian will stay dead.



Is that a general "you" or where you waiting for a specific person ???
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 21, 2009, 06:30:01 PM
I had read something that fit that video wasn't going to say anything here not sure if it was considered spoilerish and anyway.  I had a feeling and now once again confirmed.  I won't boast, it just helps to know I was on the right track ;D
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 21, 2009, 07:21:52 PM
Still waiting on a front page comment from you!!!

Doc Jensen clairified his point that we are talking about. He believes they are talking about not raising Christian Shepard from the dead. He theorizes that Christian is living between life and death. If Jack choosed one road Christian will live, if Jack does something different Christian will stay dead.



Is that a general "you" or where you waiting for a specific person ???

yes
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: nikarro on January 21, 2009, 08:40:49 PM
I like this idea, but so that means they are still going to bring back Aaron, I have a question though, what about the NEW baby, Sun's baby?  I still think they should go ahead and kill Sun off to and carry HER body back with Locke's they could end up with a cargo plane full of dead people.  I guess that will be how Zombie Season gets started, the dead people cargo plane will crash and POOF, here comes zombies!
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: LostinLock on January 21, 2009, 08:45:39 PM
Still waiting on a front page comment from you!!!

Doc Jensen clairified his point that we are talking about. He believes they are talking about not raising Christian Shepard from the dead. He theorizes that Christian is living between life and death. If Jack choosed one road Christian will live, if Jack does something different Christian will stay dead.



Is that a general "you" or where you waiting for a specific person ???

yes

Yes to both?  Sorry not following you or maybe that is the intention! Nice articles :D
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 22, 2009, 12:21:19 AM
Still waiting on a front page comment from you!!!

Doc Jensen clairified his point that we are talking about. He believes they are talking about not raising Christian Shepard from the dead. He theorizes that Christian is living between life and death. If Jack choosed one road Christian will live, if Jack does something different Christian will stay dead.



Is that a general "you" or where you waiting for a specific person ???

yes

Yes to both?  Sorry not following you or maybe that is the intention! Nice articles :D
yes
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Staggerlee on January 22, 2009, 09:21:31 AM
I like this idea, but so that means they are still going to bring back Aaron, I have a question though, what about the NEW baby, Sun's baby?  I still think they should go ahead and kill Sun off to and carry HER body back with Locke's they could end up with a cargo plane full of dead people.  I guess that will be how Zombie Season gets started, the dead people cargo plane will crash and POOF, here comes zombies!


Now here is an idea I can cotton with...hehehe...Romero can direct that epi, then we can resurrect Tura Satana and do a Faster Pussycat/AstroZombies angle...

Now to do the smart thing, am off to read El Jefe Juggy's articles now before I slide down the slippery slope of silliness...
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 12:39:34 PM
In my opinion, this has to be about Aaron. Mainly because of Claire being in his room when she tells Kate, but also because if Charlie knew that Jack was coming to see Hurley, he must have known that Sayid was coming too. I know that doesn't seem that important, but if the message was about Locke being raised from the dead, then Hurley would have been told by Charlie to tell all of the O6 not to raise him. Since the message was for Jack, he has to mean Aaron.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 22, 2009, 03:24:30 PM
I like this idea, but so that means they are still going to bring back Aaron, I have a question though, what about the NEW baby, Sun's baby?  I still think they should go ahead and kill Sun off to and carry HER body back with Locke's they could end up with a cargo plane full of dead people.  I guess that will be how Zombie Season gets started, the dead people cargo plane will crash and POOF, here comes zombies!


Now here is an idea I can cotton with...hehehe...Romero can direct that epi, then we can resurrect Tura Satana and do a Faster Pussycat/AstroZombies angle...

Now to do the smart thing, am off to read El Jefe Juggy's articles now before I slide down the slippery slope of silliness...
I think you passed Silliness a few exits ago. :D   But that's one reason why we love you. :)


In my opinion, this has to be about Aaron. Mainly because of Claire being in his room when she tells Kate, but also because if Charlie knew that Jack was coming to see Hurley, he must have known that Sayid was coming too. I know that doesn't seem that important, but if the message was about Locke being raised from the dead, then Hurley would have been told by Charlie to tell all of the O6 not to raise him. Since the message was for Jack, he has to mean Aaron.
I'm with you until we hear that message being conveyed to any of the other 06-ers.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 03:46:57 PM
In my opinion, this has to be about Aaron. Mainly because of Claire being in his room when she tells Kate, but also because if Charlie knew that Jack was coming to see Hurley, he must have known that Sayid was coming too. I know that doesn't seem that important, but if the message was about Locke being raised from the dead, then Hurley would have been told by Charlie to tell all of the O6 not to raise him. Since the message was for Jack, he has to mean Aaron.
I'm with you until we hear that message being conveyed to any of the other 06-ers.

Oh, absolutely. I'm with me until I hear that too. LOL
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: gjohnson on January 22, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
In my opinion, this has to be about Aaron. Mainly because of Claire being in his room when she tells Kate, but also because if Charlie knew that Jack was coming to see Hurley, he must have known that Sayid was coming too. I know that doesn't seem that important, but if the message was about Locke being raised from the dead, then Hurley would have been told by Charlie to tell all of the O6 not to raise him. Since the message was for Jack, he has to mean Aaron.
Or did Hurley misinterpret the message in the same way we have?
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Staggerlee on January 22, 2009, 04:23:07 PM
is there something about these apparition soothsayers not being able to get to the point and say things plainly?

then this would all make some sort of convoluted twirly whirly sense....
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 22, 2009, 04:45:21 PM
In my opinion, this has to be about Aaron. Mainly because of Claire being in his room when she tells Kate, but also because if Charlie knew that Jack was coming to see Hurley, he must have known that Sayid was coming too. I know that doesn't seem that important, but if the message was about Locke being raised from the dead, then Hurley would have been told by Charlie to tell all of the O6 not to raise him. Since the message was for Jack, he has to mean Aaron.
Or did Hurley misinterpret the message in the same way we have?

Well, it seemed to me that hurley didn't interperet it really, he just asked Jack, "You think he means Aaron??" Hurley just delivered the message.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Harry Erickson on January 23, 2009, 06:42:55 AM
Good theory but its charlie, it would make more sense hes talking about aaron
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: lostfromthestart on January 23, 2009, 10:15:36 AM
But this is all convoluted by the fact that it was Richard that told Locke that he had to die in order to get to the O6 and get them to come back.  If it was just Ben scheming to find a trick way to get back, ok we'd understand that.  That's Ben.  He lies.  Don't raise him warning means don't raise Locke, don't come back.

But Ben and Richard are on the outs.  Locke is the leader now, and Richard is the faithful follower/adviser.  The fact that Leader Locke is "out of sinc" with the island now prompts Richard to take this unorthodox move of purposefully having his leader die so they all can live (a rather Christian approach to things, no?)

So we have both Ben and Richard working towards the same end.  Who is against this?  Widmore!  So all agents working against "the return" are working for or influenced by Widmore.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: redcrow1973 on January 23, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
I'm thinking we're all SUPPOSED to think it's Aaron...or even Locke...who they aren't to dare to bring back - but ultimately it's BEN the Island doesn't want to return.  He was sort of banished via donkey wheel, yes?  Ben wants back on the Island and will use the O6 to get there. 
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on January 23, 2009, 12:47:47 PM
Don't forget about Christian. He has a play in this. Would not be the first time "christian" was raised to save a world
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Ladybug on January 23, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
But this is all convoluted by the fact that it was Richard that told Locke that he had to die in order to get to the O6 and get them to come back.  If it was just Ben scheming to find a trick way to get back, ok we'd understand that.  That's Ben.  He lies.  Don't raise him warning means don't raise Locke, don't come back.

But Ben and Richard are on the outs.  Locke is the leader now, and Richard is the faithful follower/adviser.  The fact that Leader Locke is "out of sinc" with the island now prompts Richard to take this unorthodox move of purposefully having his leader die so they all can live (a rather Christian approach to things, no?)

So we have both Ben and Richard working towards the same end.  Who is against this?  Widmore!  So all agents working against "the return" are working for or influenced by Widmore.
i'm so glad you're back!  i love everything you said. 

i hadn't even thought about the "Christ"ian approach.  so locke must die so that everyone else must live.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: redcrow1973 on January 23, 2009, 12:50:10 PM
IMHO, I think you guys are reading WAY too much into the "Christian" thing.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Staggerlee on January 23, 2009, 12:54:17 PM
only b/c them that hold the keys to the souped up Ford have made a point in the past to take these things into consideration... to not consider it would be like trying to use a socket set with out the wrench...
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Madam P on January 23, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Don't forget about Christian. He has a play in this. Would not be the first time "christian" was raised to save a world

Not only that, but a Christian "Shephard" to boot!  (notwithstanding the spelling...)
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Ladybug on January 24, 2009, 11:39:51 AM
IMHO, I think you guys are reading WAY too much into the "Christian" thing.
why?  the whole lost series has had Christianity laced right through it.  some blatant, some not so much.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Madam P on January 24, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
I'm thinking we're all SUPPOSED to think it's Aaron...or even Locke...who they aren't to dare to bring back - but ultimately it's BEN the Island doesn't want to return.  He was sort of banished via donkey wheel, yes?  Ben wants back on the Island and will use the O6 to get there. 

I'm still not convinced of this.  We only have Ben's word for that "rule," remember, and we all know how good that is.  Ben sure seems to be preparing to return to the island.

It goes back again to the definition of "rule."  Is it something that can't be broken, or something that shouldn't be broken.  (Like Widmore "broke the rules" when Keamy killed Alex.)  At first, I took what Ben said to Locke about not being able to come back to the island as meaning that you couldn't, as opposed to shouldn't.  But then I thought about it a minute and decided never to believe Ben anyway.   :)
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Asmodean on January 24, 2009, 09:37:42 PM
"Are you happy now Jacob?" makes me think it's permanent he gets punted off the island.  I think he plans on riding the coat tails of the O-6 to get back.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on January 25, 2009, 12:50:21 AM
i will laugh if the O-6 and ben are going to the island, and somehow ben gets left behind lol
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: rhythm on January 25, 2009, 01:29:23 AM
Yeah but...
1.  We still don't know exactly what Christian/Jacob said to Locke in the cabin.
2.  We don't know how Ben knows what to do...
3.  What if Kate's dream was...oh I dunno...just a dream?
4.  We don't know who of the Foundies Locke contacted or exactly what he said to them.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 26, 2009, 03:50:21 PM
Yeah but...
1.  We still don't know exactly what Christian/Jacob said to Locke in the cabin.
2.  We don't know how Ben knows what to do...
3.  What if Kate's dream was...oh I dunno...just a dream?
4.  We don't know who of the Foundies Locke contacted or exactly what he said to them.

I thought it was established that Locke had contacted everyone except for Sun (that we know of).
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: sillysab on January 26, 2009, 05:14:18 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!

There's totally something here - more biblical parallels to be sure. Raise him from the dead. Locke had to die to save them. It's just like the story of Jesus in the bible. Ben is cast away from the island by Jacob, our God-like character that cannot be seen and sends apparitions to people, and God cast down the devil... there's too much to type but you see where I am going, yes? It's all there.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 26, 2009, 05:18:33 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!

There's totally something here - more biblical parallels to be sure. Raise him from the dead. Locke had to die to save them. It's just like the story of Jesus in the bible. Ben is cast away from the island by Jacob, our God-like character that cannot be seen and sends apparitions to people, and God cast down the devil... there's too much to type but you see where I am going, yes? It's all there.

Okay, if Jacob is the God, then who is the devil, and how did he cast him down??
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: sillysab on January 26, 2009, 05:21:21 PM
sorry I did not complete my thought... Ben was cast off by Jacob, he represents the devil-like character in the story... can't tell if he's good or bad, but when it comes down to it, he's bad and full of temptations... that's why Sayid says not to listen to him.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: rhythm on January 26, 2009, 05:28:13 PM

I thought it was established that Locke had contacted everyone except for Sun (that we know of).

Precisely, we don't know if he contacted Sun, or Desmond (or Penny) for that matter...and we don't know exactly what it was he said to any of them.
Title: "Dont you dare bring him back......"
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 03, 2009, 02:11:52 AM
ok hey... this is a lazy moment on my part... but when Claire says to Kate in her dream "Dont bring him back Kate, dont you dare bring him back!!" ... i always assumed Claire was speaking of Aarron because she was just sitting with him... but its LOST. "him" can be any of the him's that came back, or havent... i cant believe i let this one slip.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: jugdish on March 03, 2009, 09:31:34 AM
We already have discusses this.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: Harry Erickson on March 09, 2009, 11:11:17 AM
No it doesnt make sense, jack or kate has no way of raising Lockeand if you say that by going to the island they revived him then why did hurley go?
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 09, 2009, 03:57:17 PM
I'm thinking we're all SUPPOSED to think it's Aaron...or even Locke...who they aren't to dare to bring back - but ultimately it's BEN the Island doesn't want to return.  He was sort of banished via donkey wheel, yes?  Ben wants back on the Island and will use the O6 to get there. 


THANK YOU!!! it took 3 pages of this thread for ANYONE to share in my theory that Claire wasnt taling about Aaron, or Locke... i think shes angry and tellign kate not to bring Ben back... nobody even hinted at that point... but i completely agree...

i also agree that charlie's message to hugo wasnt understood by hugo, but he was passing along a message... any maybe in telling jack he didnt say it word for word but paraphrased it and maybe changed what he was meant to say without knowing becacuse, like all of us, he assumed what the message meant when it said "him".
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 09, 2009, 03:59:40 PM
Don't forget about Christian. He has a play in this. Would not be the first time "christian" was raised to save a world

TEchnically it would be the first time a Christian was raised to save the world.. if you are referenceing the Christian Jesus... he was actually Hebrew. Christianity is the religion for him, didnt show up until later in time... so Juggy technically that statement is moot.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 09, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!

There's totally something here - more biblical parallels to be sure. Raise him from the dead. Locke had to die to save them. It's just like the story of Jesus in the bible. Ben is cast away from the island by Jacob, our God-like character that cannot be seen and sends apparitions to people, and God cast down the devil... there's too much to type but you see where I am going, yes? It's all there.

Okay, if Jacob is the God, then who is the devil, and how did he cast him down??

are you serious??? do u even watch the show? if jacob is God then obviously Ben woudl be the devil... judged by his character not even the intent for his actions... just the fac that he was the 2nd in command to jacob and was cast out of paradise. tho... Widmore was also cast out of paradise... by ben... so ben might be god. who says god is supposed to be this all good being people hype him up to be... look at all the crap the christian god allows... the christian god is just an immature spoiled little kid with a magnifying glass and an anthill...
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 09, 2009, 05:03:31 PM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!

There's totally something here - more biblical parallels to be sure. Raise him from the dead. Locke had to die to save them. It's just like the story of Jesus in the bible. Ben is cast away from the island by Jacob, our God-like character that cannot be seen and sends apparitions to people, and God cast down the devil... there's too much to type but you see where I am going, yes? It's all there.

Okay, if Jacob is the God, then who is the devil, and how did he cast him down??

are you serious??? do u even watch the show? if jacob is God then obviously Ben woudl be the devil... judged by his character not even the intent for his actions... just the fac that he was the 2nd in command to jacob and was cast out of paradise. tho... Widmore was also cast out of paradise... by ben... so ben might be god. who says god is supposed to be this all good being people hype him up to be... look at all the crap the christian god allows... the christian god is just an immature spoiled little kid with a magnifying glass and an anthill...

See?? That's why I asked.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BadRobot64 on March 09, 2009, 07:16:55 PM
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Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 10, 2009, 12:00:40 PM
word

The funny thing is that when ever my friend asks something about LOST that seems so obvious to me, I always say the same thing about watching the show, even though we always watch it together. Laughs and hilarity then abound.
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 12, 2009, 02:39:58 AM
*sigh*  You guys are like the bloody rock gods of LOST, huh.  ;D
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: The_Hatch_Monkey on March 12, 2009, 03:40:40 AM
Jeff Jensen posted an interesting theory last week.

Claire tells Kate "Don't you dare bring him BACK"

Hurley informs Jack that dead Charlie told him "You are not suppose to RAISE hime."

We all assumed they are talking about Aaron, but what if they really mean John Locke. Don't bring him BACK from the dead and don"t RAISE Locke from the dead.

I liked this theory a lot. I think he may be onto something here!

That just about made my brain explode with swirling LOST thoughts...OMB....OMB.....OMB....OMB...
Title: Re: Raise Him and Bring Him Back mean something else?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 12, 2009, 10:58:25 AM
*sigh*  You guys are like the bloody rock gods of LOST, huh.  ;D

We only make it look easy PL.