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Title: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 02:01:47 PM
I am rewatching season 2 and it is either amazing or some poor writing that the Losties never just sat down and talked. In the first 3 eps of season 2 there was clear moments where logical people would of said WTF!!

a) Coming back from the opening of the hatch, Hurley tells Jack all about the numbers and winning the lottery. He tells him about the guy in the psych ward repeating the numbers, using them to win the lottery, all of the bad luck and then seeing the numbers on the hatch. Neither of them mention that these are the same numbers that the Danielle had in her notes not does Hurley mention they were first heard by Sam Toomey (I think). Plus they find out they have to enter these very same numbers into a computer to save the world!! All jack says is "You were in the psych ward'. Not even a "Boy thats weird!"

b) Jack and Desmond both recognize each other, but neither acknowledges the other. Two people end up on this island and we don't even get a "What a coincidence!"

I am ranting, but this always bothered me. All the weird stuff going on and they never have a meeting of the minds or compare notes.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Jungle Otter on January 06, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
Unless they compared notes off screen......but you bring up a good point. Jack did look at Desmond and say "You" but nothing more than that....curious.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 04:16:09 PM
When Desmond and Jack were outside, Desmond asked Jack if he knew him. They did discuss 'girl" who was Sarah.

I was just getting frustrated last night.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Ladybug on January 06, 2009, 05:19:40 PM
i think it's been brought up before about how the losties didnt' talk to each other.  maybe they talk (figuratively) but tptb just didn't feel it important for us to see it on screen.  don't know, but i know it's always bugged me a little to.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 05:56:40 PM
i think it's been brought up before about how the losties didnt' talk to each other.  maybe they talk (figuratively) but tptb just didn't feel it important for us to see it on screen.  don't know, but i know it's always bugged me a little to.

Just show it once or twice!!!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Ladybug on January 06, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
i think it's been brought up before about how the losties didnt' talk to each other.  maybe they talk (figuratively) but tptb just didn't feel it important for us to see it on screen.  don't know, but i know it's always bugged me a little to.

Just show it once or twice!!!
i agree!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 06, 2009, 06:18:32 PM
Thanks for bringing this up cause it was odd that they don't discuss things.  Unless they are in such a fog they don't recall these people.  But then again, we are focused on it and do remember every detail of your life, even from say a  month ago?

bumping to someone in the hall, the market, where ever you might be.  I don't think everyone is focused on the same thing. 

But the numbers, that was an odd thing and I hoped they would look into it more, but when you think about it to many other things were going on.

Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
it would just be natural to have some conversation on how the numbers are every where!!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 06, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
& then there are the times when they OVER-talk things. LOL  Like with Miles talking to Daniel about Naomi using the code. 
When she said "Tell my sister I love her." 
Because she didn't have a sister.   
The code that means Naomi was killed.
So why did she use that code when she said "Tell my sister that I love her" that means that she was killed.
It was a code.
SHUT UP ALREADY!  What- is this "Lost for Dummies?" ::)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 10:04:10 PM
Very good point.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 06, 2009, 10:09:52 PM
Well, that is a good question to pose to they dynamic duo in one of their podcast or questions from around the world.  I would hope that they would come to some kind of an answer.

I could get frustrated about what they could have should have done but they are being paid good money to come up with this stuff, so perhaps we will have an explaination.

It will be in the book "All you wanted to know about LOST, but were unable to ask"

Oh we have a thread like that don't we? ::) ???
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: BobBX542 on January 07, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
I also just started rewatching S2, and was curious about this. I know that the other people in the background are just that, background people, but why is it that no one tried to lay claim to stuff in the Hatch?? Like the bed?? Or how come there wasn't a line for people using the shower?? I mean hell, they could have got me to push that button all day every day as long as they let me crash out on the bed. Just seemed weird to me.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 01:03:19 PM
I have thought about that also. Just show some of this going on in the background occasionally
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 07, 2009, 04:50:21 PM
Hmmmmm-All very valid points!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 05:41:15 PM
I also just started rewatching S2, and was curious about this. I know that the other people in the background are just that, background people, but why is it that no one tried to lay claim to stuff in the Hatch?? Like the bed?? Or how come there wasn't a line for people using the shower?? I mean hell, they could have got me to push that button all day every day as long as they let me crash out on the bed. Just seemed weird to me.

Yes, that is what real life people think about, but this is a show with an agenda and if they focused on how many people would push and so on then we would be watching a show called push the damn button please.  i know we all think WT heck this is not normal, but this is LOST.  It is thinking outside the box or the norm of life.  i would have also thought that more people would have wanted to have sleeping bags down there and wash.  But somehow they managed to want to live a more rugged life. 

So they didn't focus cause it was not the focus if that makes sense
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 06:05:43 PM
It would not have to be the focus but just have people walking by in the background. One guy doing some dishes, another person coming out of the shower etc.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 07, 2009, 06:10:18 PM
It would not have to be the focus but just have people walking by in the background. One guy doing some dishes, another person coming out of the shower etc.
So can I agree with Juggy in this thread too?  Because I always wondered why the other people never have anything to say or just wander around in packs......They could mention something like....so and so is taking over laundry duties or so and so went to get some water.....You know there were other people on the island.  :P
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 09:05:18 PM
It would not have to be the focus but just have people walking by in the background. One guy doing some dishes, another person coming out of the shower etc.

I believe we are all agreeing, but why they didn't is now another island writer mystery!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 10:24:18 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 10:31:26 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.

Yes, their cost for writers was higher! :D
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 10:32:55 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.

Yes, their cost for writers was higher! :D
They were not spending it on writing dialogue
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on January 08, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
I think extras who have speaking parts get paid more than silent extras.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 08, 2009, 07:17:36 PM
What I meant was they were paying high salaries on the writers and not the writing or any of the continuity of the content. 

Well, there is always the possibility that they have the what me missed on LOST after the season finale!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: E.S.B. on January 08, 2009, 08:43:23 PM
Remember what happened when the writers came out of the blue and gave some "background" people too much dialogue?  lol   ;D
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 08, 2009, 09:58:55 PM
The back ground people did not have to talk, they would just be seen in the background doing stuff in the hatch.

I want the main losties to talk to each other.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinAlaska on January 09, 2009, 02:30:22 AM
In the spirit of your thread Jugs, this is the very thing that makes me NOT want to watch LOST anymore. I mean people are sleeping in the dirt and the hatch is a secret? Showers, laundry, etc? And Claire being pregnant and not having any kind of priority for the hatch, even after having her newborn, irritates me, b/c a beach is CLEARLY he best place to keep a newborn. GAH! Even when the food first arrived everyone was so... I don't know.. weird about it. I hated when the button wasn't pushed and the huge beam of light happened and they all majestically looked up in the air and no one was like, "WTF JUST HAPPENED!!???" Everyone got over it within minutes.

But ok maybe I'm ranting  ::) But I totally get what you're saying and agree whole heartedly
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: KoKoNut on January 09, 2009, 02:31:44 AM
I think extras who have speaking parts get paid more than silent extras.

You're exactly right SOL. My hubby used to do background work and he said that in some scenes they had to lip sinc like they were talking but not really talking.  And he said that if you actually got a speaking line, even one word, they paid you a lot more!!! 

Or maybe, just MAYBE all the other people on the island became mute after the crash.  Or maybe they were already mute...it was a Mute Convention or something. Yeah. I'm reaching....
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 09, 2009, 11:15:57 AM
I watched 2.5 last night and Rose did say that she does not want to return to the hatch because it creeps her out. This might of been there way of telling us why others don't go to the hatch.

Still love the show.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 09, 2009, 11:19:12 AM
I watched 2.5 last night and Rose did say that she does not want to return to the hatch because it creeps her out. This might of been there way of telling us why others don't go to the hatch.

Still love the show.

Thanks Jug- amazing the little subtle hints we need, but sometimes miss, that makes it all make sense!  :)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinAlaska on January 09, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
I don't hate the show, but it's not perfect. I'm just waiting for more continuity and answers per se. If this season coming up is a let down, I'm not that big of a fan I guess b/c I will be ticked off  :-\ But I have normal hopes if not high hopes and the little things like you mention, Jug, are things I need to be reminded of!!! So thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: E.S.B. on January 10, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
I hated when the button wasn't pushed and the huge beam of light happened and they all majestically looked up in the air and no one was like, "WTF JUST HAPPENED!!???" Everyone got over it within minutes.

I think these characters are in shock and denial.  I don't think they've gotten over any of the stuff that's happen - what can you say about something that you truly can't explain.  I mean, think about it - how can you rationalize to yourself seeing the sky turn purple, the Island shake and hearing that really loud magnetic sound thing?  I think Hurley had some under-stated comment to someone about the hatch like "so dude... that thing just like... imploded."  Or how do you rationalize smokey?  The Island moving?  The characters don't want to deal with the screwed-up craziness that is going on, so their reactions to things are more subtle.  I think they are in denial, and that's part of the reason they don't talk about stuff.

Also, we may not see the characters discussing things because it is a literary technique by the writers - maybe they don't want to come out and tell us things, but want us to put the pieces together on our own.  That's how I rationalize it, anyway.  I have to believe that there is some "off-screen" discussion amongst the characters about things they are dealing with.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 11, 2009, 01:05:19 PM
I watched "What Kate Did" last night. Locke explains to Micheal (he just got back with the tailies) that he set up two man teams (to push the button) and that everyone is taking a turn.

So that would tell us that the background people where involved, we just were not seeing it.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 11, 2009, 05:01:25 PM
Everyone has valid points, but this is an hour show, well not fully, but let us say 40 minutes and the writers have to tell a story.  If they got into the detail we all wanted this show would continue ad nauseum and we still wouldn't like it.

I can't recall one show where the continuity was to the detail we may look for.  And if there was one it didn't last very long.  We focus on the main characters to get through the story and yes all the things Juggy and others mentioned happened, but do you recall the exact details of season one?  Let alone what may have happened in our own lives a week ago.  Well, okay our own lives may be more important.

My point is I think we all agree that there were topics we would have expected them to discuss in normal conversation.  But they didn't.

Just like Jack and Claire not knowing they are siblings.  Or Jack querying Sawyer further on his meeting with his Dad and how his Dad got there.  Yes, the numbers, never pursued or Hurley's money or how or what these folks did before the island or why they were going to LA.  Or Locke every having a discussion with Sawyer about his past and thanking him for killing his dad.  Or anyone asking Kate, Sawyer or Jack what was done to them when they were taken captive.
I am not sure they even discussed why the hatch was imploded. 

Oh Alaskas I think Claire choose the beach as she didn't want the caves, I think they, or most thought it was the obvious place to be found and the "safest" place for them.

We find tidbits and there are nuances that make us scratch our heads.

Instead the writers catapulted them into seeking the islands secrets, flashbacks, forwards etc.  The writers have a course and they are sticking to it and maybe at the end, we will find them sitting around a campfire talking about things we wanted to find out most.   As a detail person it is frustrating, but it is comforting to know we are all in good company.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 11, 2009, 05:43:12 PM
VERY well said LIL!   ;)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 11, 2009, 10:24:46 PM
There is no reason to bring reason and logic into the discussion

Plus, I have been bringing up points to dispute my complaint.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 11, 2009, 11:54:41 PM
There is no reason to bring reason and logic into the discussion

Plus, I have been bringing up points to dispute my complaint.
This is NOT the I Agree with Juggy Thread!  :)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinLock on January 12, 2009, 07:20:02 AM
VERY well said LIL!   ;)
Thanks Jen ;D
There is no reason to bring reason and logic into the discussion

Plus, I have been bringing up points to dispute my complaint.
This is NOT the I Agree with Juggy Thread!  :)
(((Jen)))  my last post in this thread :)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on January 12, 2009, 07:59:05 AM
It would not have to be the focus but just have people walking by in the background. One guy doing some dishes, another person coming out of the shower etc.
I know why they don't have background extras in scene too often, coz we would all over analyse it and ask questions.

Why were they there? is that significant? it this another Nikki/Paulo character introduction? how come they are doing that? where are they going next? who with? what happened to the background extra with the blue shirt? is he dead? why don't we see headscarf woman anymore? has she been taken by the hostiles? etc etc etc

and in the meant time miss 'important plot lines' in the foreground. IMHO

or something.

I only say this coz thats what I do
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: BobBX542 on January 12, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
It would not have to be the focus but just have people walking by in the background. One guy doing some dishes, another person coming out of the shower etc.
I know why they don't have background extras in scene too often, coz we would all over analyse it and ask questions.

Why were they there? is that significant? it this another Nikki/Paulo character introduction? how come they are doing that? where are they going next? who with? what happened to the background extra with the blue shirt? is he dead? why don't we see headscarf woman anymore? has she been taken by the hostiles? etc etc etc

and in the meant time miss 'important plot lines' in the foreground. IMHO

or something.

I only say this coz thats what I do

That's aactually a very good point, never looked at it like that.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 12, 2009, 11:15:02 AM
There is no reason to bring reason and logic into the discussion

Plus, I have been bringing up points to dispute my complaint.
This is NOT the I Agree with Juggy Thread!  :)
Every thread is the I agree with Juggy thread.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: KoKoNut on January 12, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
There is no reason to bring reason and logic into the discussion

Plus, I have been bringing up points to dispute my complaint.
This is NOT the I Agree with Juggy Thread!  :)
Every thread is the I agree with Juggy thread.

Why yes, I agree!  Well would you look at that!!! How do you DO that Juggy?!??!?  :P
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: JBRam on January 12, 2009, 02:30:29 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.
They should come to this site. I for one would be an extra for free.

Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 12, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
There is no reason to bring reason and logic into the discussion

Plus, I have been bringing up points to dispute my complaint.
This is NOT the I Agree with Juggy Thread!  :)
Every thread is the I agree with Juggy thread.
Hmmmm....You think?
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinAlaska on January 12, 2009, 08:24:48 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.
They should come to this site. I for one would be an extra for free.



Chyeah, count me in!  ;)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: KoKoNut on January 12, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.
They should come to this site. I for one would be an extra for free.



Chyeah, count me in!  ;)

Oh yeah! Me too! (What are we talking about? I just don't wanna be left behind...)  :P
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 12, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.
They should come to this site. I for one would be an extra for free.



Chyeah, count me in!  ;)

Oh yeah! Me too! (What are we talking about? I just don't wanna be left behind...)  :P

They are all agreeing with me!
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: nejsitsol on January 13, 2009, 09:46:19 PM
Some of it is likely cost. No extras is cheaper for abc.
They should come to this site. I for one would be an extra for free.



Chyeah, count me in!  ;)

Oh yeah! Me too! (What are we talking about? I just don't wanna be left behind...)  :P

They are all agreeing with me!

Wrong Thread but good try Juggy!  :P
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 15, 2009, 01:45:23 PM
In the spirit of your thread Jugs, this is the very thing that makes me NOT want to watch LOST anymore. I mean people are sleeping in the dirt and the hatch is a secret? Showers, laundry, etc? And Claire being pregnant and not having any kind of priority for the hatch, even after having her newborn, irritates me, b/c a beach is CLEARLY he best place to keep a newborn. GAH! Even when the food first arrived everyone was so... I don't know.. weird about it. I hated when the button wasn't pushed and the huge beam of light happened and they all majestically looked up in the air and no one was like, "WTF JUST HAPPENED!!???" Everyone got over it within minutes.

But ok maybe I'm ranting  ::) But I totally get what you're saying and agree whole heartedly

In Fire and Water Claire asks John Locke if her and Aaron could sleep in the hatch. They decided that Aaron could not sleep with the alarm going off every 108 minutes. So I guess they did give us more than I thought
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Ladybug on January 15, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
In the spirit of your thread Jugs, this is the very thing that makes me NOT want to watch LOST anymore. I mean people are sleeping in the dirt and the hatch is a secret? Showers, laundry, etc? And Claire being pregnant and not having any kind of priority for the hatch, even after having her newborn, irritates me, b/c a beach is CLEARLY he best place to keep a newborn. GAH! Even when the food first arrived everyone was so... I don't know.. weird about it. I hated when the button wasn't pushed and the huge beam of light happened and they all majestically looked up in the air and no one was like, "WTF JUST HAPPENED!!???" Everyone got over it within minutes.

But ok maybe I'm ranting  ::) But I totally get what you're saying and agree whole heartedly

In Fire and Water Claire asks John Locke if her and Aaron could sleep in the hatch. They decided that Aaron could not sleep with the alarm going off every 108 minutes. So I guess they did give us more than I thought
like aaron's going to sleep better on a bundle of sticks on the beach with bugs and critters everywhere.  geesh.  i would have taken the alarm.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: LostinAlaska on January 15, 2009, 11:27:58 PM
In the spirit of your thread Jugs, this is the very thing that makes me NOT want to watch LOST anymore. I mean people are sleeping in the dirt and the hatch is a secret? Showers, laundry, etc? And Claire being pregnant and not having any kind of priority for the hatch, even after having her newborn, irritates me, b/c a beach is CLEARLY he best place to keep a newborn. GAH! Even when the food first arrived everyone was so... I don't know.. weird about it. I hated when the button wasn't pushed and the huge beam of light happened and they all majestically looked up in the air and no one was like, "WTF JUST HAPPENED!!???" Everyone got over it within minutes.

But ok maybe I'm ranting  ::) But I totally get what you're saying and agree whole heartedly

In Fire and Water Claire asks John Locke if her and Aaron could sleep in the hatch. They decided that Aaron could not sleep with the alarm going off every 108 minutes. So I guess they did give us more than I thought
like aaron's going to sleep better on a bundle of sticks on the beach with bugs and critters everywhere.  geesh.  i would have taken the alarm.

Eh, she was a new mom... I know how I can be... LoL  :D (but seriously...the alarm would've been fine)
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 16, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
He slept in the craddle john made
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Ladybug on January 16, 2009, 10:38:18 AM
He slept in the craddle john made
i know.  that's the bundle of sticks i was refering too.
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: jugdish on January 16, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
But it was well made.

But at least they did discuss it,
Title: Re: Why did they never talk??
Post by: Ladybug on January 16, 2009, 12:09:54 PM
But it was well made.

But at least they did discuss it,
okay, i guess.