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Title: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Sammy_G on May 30, 2008, 01:50:13 PM
I loved the finale, but I think there are a few inconsistencies.   How the heck can Keamy's arm-band, heart-rate, radio-transmitter broadcast a signal when he is supposedly "deep" underground?  That is a little far fetched  the signal would have faded the minute Keamy went in the elevator shaft.  Also, the ship didnt start moving towards the island until after the tender/zodiac had come and gone twice once with Saiyed and again with Faraday.  Thats a long haul on a little zodiac on the open ocean.  Again a little far fetched.  I think Im just not supposed to think that hard about these things and just accept them as plausible. 
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on May 30, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
I thought it was amazing...the only thing missing for me was Abbadon
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: solost on May 30, 2008, 02:47:14 PM
Sammy.. Sammy.. Sammy.....this LOST anything is possible!
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: zeekloveslost on May 30, 2008, 02:52:17 PM
Well, Sayid did mention that the Sat phones were more advanced than anythign he'd ever seen. Widmore probably just has access to extremely advanced technologies. Better than the cell phoen you keep tryign to use in the elevator at work.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: T Mack on May 30, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
I wasn't too impressed with the finale.  The other finale's have been much better. This one was good, but not great.

Other inconsitencies:

-Keamy gets shot. Then he lives.  What, was he playing dead after Richard shot him or what?  If he had a vest on, he would have just gotten right back up like Charlotte did.  This was a weak part of the plot IMO.
- the whole Zodiac thing has me troubled
-Sawyer acts like nothing happens after he pulls  a stuntman move out of a flying helicopter into the ocean and swims 5 miles to the beach.  Juliet sitting on the beach drunk (very weakly acted by Juliet, IMO), Dumb scene and pointless.
--Jin staying with the Michael and the bomb, didn't make any sense why he would do that knowing he had a pregnant wife to take care of.
-Sayid killing a man (who and what for) outside Santa Rosa, then Sayid storms a mental ward with gun in hand, yet no one is around to stop him or talk to him

I'm sure there are other examples.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: blueeyed2200 on May 30, 2008, 03:50:47 PM
I thought it was the best finale they have done since the beginning of the show. 
Things I loved:
1.  Desmond/Penny kiss . . . . been waiting since season 2 for that one!!! 
2.  So many ??'s answered
3.  So many new ??'s raised
4.  Sawyer wet and shirtless
5.  Keamy finally dead (thank god, I couldn't stand him) 
6.  Certain characters changing their perspective unexpectedly (Charlotte, Miles)
7.  Main characters dead
8.  Creepy whispers and dead people appearing out of nowhere
9.  Sawyer wet and shirtless (wait, I already said that huh??  Oh well, still loved it!)
10.  Walt came back!!!

Classic LOST finale . . . 9 more months??  UGH!!
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Gutterball94 on May 30, 2008, 03:54:30 PM
I think Im just not supposed to think that hard about these things and just accept them as plausible. 

It's not really like all those things are completely 100% impossible. They're still within the realm of possibility. Find me a television show that is completely realistic and I'll show you a show that sucks eggs.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: KoKoNut on May 30, 2008, 04:16:50 PM
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-Keamy gets shot. Then he lives.  What, was he playing dead after Richard shot him or what?  If he had a vest on, he would have just gotten right back up like Charlotte did.  This was a weak part of the plot IMO.
Well, I don't think Keamy would have gotten right back up, because if he had, they probably would have shot him in the head. 

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-Sawyer acts like nothing happens after he pulls  a stuntman move out of a flying helicopter into the ocean and swims 5 miles to the beach.  Juliet sitting on the beach drunk (very weakly acted by Juliet, IMO), Dumb scene and pointless.
  For me, it was a relief to see Sawyer safely on the beach! I didn't want him to die!!!  And Juliet was numb because she probably assumed Jack and everyone else was on the frieghter when it exploded.  That could explain her dazed behavior. Also the reason they probably showed that part was so that we would know how the other survivors on the island knew what happened to the freighter.

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--Jin staying with the Michael and the bomb, didn't make any sense why he would do that knowing he had a pregnant wife to take care of.
I believe that Jin actually thought he could diffuse the bomb. He was just trying to save his wife, baby and everyone else on board. 

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- the whole Zodiac thing has me troubled
Not sure which part troubled you, but hopefully they will explain that a little more in upcoming episodes.

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-Sayid killing a man (who and what for) outside Santa Rosa, then Sayid storms a mental ward with gun in hand, yet no one is around to stop him or talk to him
Obviously the man that Sayid killed was stalking Hurley, probably one of the people from Widmore's camp who are going after the Oceanic 6.  Sayid was a trained assassin so I'm sure he was able to get into places that normal people could not.

These were just my opinions! I loved this finale! :)
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Captain Falafel on May 30, 2008, 04:56:29 PM
I wasn't too impressed with the finale.  The other finale's have been much better. This one was good, but not great.

Other inconsitencies:

-Keamy gets shot. Then he lives.  What, was he playing dead after Richard shot him or what?  If he had a vest on, he would have just gotten right back up like Charlotte did.  This was a weak part of the plot IMO.
- the whole Zodiac thing has me troubled
-Sawyer acts like nothing happens after he pulls  a stuntman move out of a flying helicopter into the ocean and swims 5 miles to the beach.  Juliet sitting on the beach drunk (very weakly acted by Juliet, IMO), Dumb scene and pointless.
--Jin staying with the Michael and the bomb, didn't make any sense why he would do that knowing he had a pregnant wife to take care of.
-Sayid killing a man (who and what for) outside Santa Rosa, then Sayid storms a mental ward with gun in hand, yet no one is around to stop him or talk to him

I'm sure there are other examples.

T Mack, I'm with you on some, but not on others:
-Keamy didn't "get right back up like Charlotte did" because that would totally defeat the purpose of playing possum. His main objective was Ben. Why fight half of the island when someone gives you an opporunity to play dead, you can take a breather (as long as your ribcage doesn't expand) and then go after your primary objective bypassing an extended gunfight with an immortal and his disheveled posse.
-I too would have like to see the zodiac thing taken to fruition.
- I loved Sawyer being nonchalant about his stuntwork because it kept with his character perfectly. The only thing I didn't get was how he remained concious after jumping out of a speeding helo and hitting pavement-like water. He could have acted a little stunned.
-I didn't get the Juliet boozing on the beach scene either. Probably cause I've played it out in my mind so many times before and it didn't go anything like that! Of course mine couldn't really have played out on broadcast television.
-I think the Sayid scene was to reiterate that there was a dangerous operative watching Hugo. As far as someone being there to stop him... The Nutshack at that hour isn't exactly a swarming hub of activity and any late night security guard would be preoccupied with the fight to stay awake or the attempt to catch a buzz.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Luna C on May 30, 2008, 11:24:59 PM
Hey, long time lurker, here.

Re: the questions about the Zodiac --  I used to have a boat like it, and believe me, even with a relatively low power motor, those things can MOVE, because they are very light and they skip right across the top of the water, with almost no surface drag. (Mine used to get up to around 35 mph if the water was flat.) And in these scenes, there was not much wave action.

It's totally reasonable that the boat could've made one or two round trips between the island the freighter in relatively short time.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: jugdish on May 31, 2008, 12:19:39 AM
I liked the episode also but.......

I am not a big sci fi fan and the whole donkey wheel scene bothered me. Here is some reasons why.

1) How would Ben know that putting all of the metal in the chamber would blow out the back wall. They could of never done it before, otherwise it will would of been destroyed.

2) Ben never did the move the island thing before, but he knew exactly what to do.

3) How does turning a wheel make an island move?? Pretty dumb to me. Very disappointed in that idea. Some ancient civilization discovered this?? We are not going to go aliens also, are we??

That whole scene was to over the top for my taste. I would of prefered that he just used the machine down there. I can go along with a scientist inventing something other than a frozen donkey wheel in the bowels of the island.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Lion of Atreides on May 31, 2008, 03:12:10 AM
It reminded me of a mix of sets from Conan + Alien v Predator.  As a sci fi fan, I'm somewhat baffled by the donkey wheel myself.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Point Place WI on May 31, 2008, 04:33:24 AM
I liked the episode also but.......

I am not a big sci fi fan and the whole donkey wheel scene bothered me. Here is some reasons why.

1) How would Ben know that putting all of the metal in the chamber would blow out the back wall. They could of never done it before, otherwise it will would of been destroyed.

2) Ben never did the move the island thing before, but he knew exactly what to do.

3) How does turning a wheel make an island move?? Pretty dumb to me. Very disappointed in that idea. Some ancient civilization discovered this?? We are not going to go aliens also, are we??

That whole scene was to over the top for my taste. I would of prefered that he just used the machine down there. I can go along with a scientist inventing something other than a frozen donkey wheel in the bowels of the island.


Yeah that was pretty lame.  It just didn't fit.  So, are we suppose the believe that the swan explosion had nothing to do with that sound when the sky turned purple and that sound.  Someone left the island as well during the Swan Explosion as I heard the same sound when Ben left. 

Ehh Flippin Dharma they are just unpredictable even if they were just workmen
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: RM on May 31, 2008, 11:15:41 AM
Yeah, turning a wheel to move the island was a little too much for me.

But, was it:
(A) releasing a latch that was holding the island in place against the natural forces surrounding it?, or
(B) adjusting the island to a different "frequency" so that it moved to a new time/space?

Plus, so Ben is so close to Ground Zero that he gets spit out 10 months later (whereas who knows when/where the island went)?

I did kind of like the bit with Jack making sure to save his loved one (Kate) at the expense of saving Sun's loved one (Jin) and now there's a permanent rift between them.  That was some nice snap-decision-in-a-crisis drama.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: WhatThe on May 31, 2008, 11:25:35 AM
I did kind of like the bit with Jack making sure to save his loved one (Kate) at the expense of saving Sun's loved one (Jin) and now there's a permanent rift between them.  That was some nice snap-decision-in-a-crisis drama.


I thought it was the helicopter pilot's call to not go back and rescue Jin, not Jack's...
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: WhatThe on May 31, 2008, 11:30:25 AM

-Juliet sitting on the beach drunk (very weakly acted by Juliet, IMO), Dumb scene and pointless.

Think about it:

Juliet has now seen TWO vessels explode that she was expecting to get her off the island.

She also thinks she just saw the man she obviously loved blow up right in front of her (Jack).

She also thinks everyone else just died right along with him.

She ALSO may think that Ben "somehow" had something to do with it, after being manipulated by him so much for so long.

Juliet is in complete shock...and at this point, she's giving up hope completely of ever leaving. She's now accepting what she feels is her fate: to be on that island forever, to die there.

I'd be downing a hell of a lot more than just rum if I were in her shoes lol.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
I agree, WhatThe, except I don't think she knows yet that Jack was anywhere near the freighter.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: qgardens on June 03, 2008, 04:25:24 AM
My two cents here:
1) How would Ben know that putting all of the metal in the chamber would blow out the back wall. They could of never done it before, otherwise it will would of been destroyed.  If Ben knows as much about the Island as he claims, then why wouldn't he know why one shouldn't put metal in the chamber and what would happen if one did?  He's a jerk, but he's not stupid.
2) Ben never did the move the island thing before, but he knew exactly what to do. Ditto
3) How does turning a wheel make an island move?? Pretty dumb to me. Very disappointed in that idea. Some ancient civilization discovered this?? We are not going to go aliens also, are we?? We still don't know everything about the island and its past inhabitants, so maybe they did.  Willing suspension of disbelief, except for the part about aliens, about which I agree with you.  I will puke if it's aliens.  That's such a cop-out.  I've had many an enjoyable book ruined for me by a crappy, far-fetched, you-readers-are-stupid-enough-to-accept-this-weak-answer "alien" ending; I hope not this show, too.   

And Cap'n Falafel:  as for Sawyer being conscious after hitting the water, I *suppose* we could be persuaded to believe that if he hit feet-first the impact would have been absorbed/lessened that way - that's one reason there have been survivors of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge.  Add to that the known effect of stress-induced adrenaline overload allowing people to perform amazing physical feats.  Yeah, granted, it's unlikely, and he should have at least been hobbling around a bit when he climbed up the beach, but that's also a willing suspension of disbelief you can choose to go with.  It's also not like the past four seasons have been error- and inconsistency-free, either. 

Men of Science, proceed to rebut....
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 03, 2008, 12:19:24 PM
I'm just choosing to believe the heli was low enough to make this feasible.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: WhatThe on June 03, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
I'm just choosing to believe the heli was low enough to make this feasible.

Yeah, me too. Think about the cliff diving that takes place in places like Jamaica...they're pretty damn high up lol.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: newerakb on June 03, 2008, 12:40:45 PM
The only thing that reallybothered me was Keamy's device triggering the bomb. Like the OP said...there's no way that signal could go through the metal/concrete lining the station, and then go through so many feet of earth, then out across the ocean to the boat. Especially not with a radio transmitter the size of a fist. Ever notice a radio tower, how big they are? Those things cut out if you go in a tunnel. Now imagine a tower that isn't 300 feet high, and is buried underground. Think you'd get signal?

On the other end of the bomb, back on the boat. When Michael brought that can of liquid Nitrogen out, I got excited because I knew exactly what he could do with it...but then he did something else. The bomb only goes off if the batter sends a reaction. If you've frozen the wires to the battery, the reaction can't happen...so instead of continuing to freeze the wire, freeze it once and then CUT THE WIRE, so the battery can't possibly send any power.

Both of those really bothered me. But I know that they were just means to and end, and if they wanted to kill Michael (and Jin?) they were going to, regardless of how.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: jugdish on June 03, 2008, 02:54:01 PM
My two cents here:
1) How would Ben know that putting all of the metal in the chamber would blow out the back wall. They could of never done it before, otherwise it will would of been destroyed.  If Ben knows as much about the Island as he claims, then why wouldn't he know why one shouldn't put metal in the chamber and what would happen if one did?  He's a jerk, but he's not stupid.
2) Ben never did the move the island thing before, but he knew exactly what to do. Ditto
3) How does turning a wheel make an island move?? Pretty dumb to me. Very disappointed in that idea. Some ancient civilization discovered this?? We are not going to go aliens also, are we?? We still don't know everything about the island and its past inhabitants, so maybe they did.  Willing suspension of disbelief, except for the part about aliens, about which I agree with you.  I will puke if it's aliens.  That's such a cop-out.  I've had many an enjoyable book ruined for me by a crappy, far-fetched, you-readers-are-stupid-enough-to-accept-this-weak-answer "alien" ending; I hope not this show, too.   

And Cap'n Falafel:  as for Sawyer being conscious after hitting the water, I *suppose* we could be persuaded to believe that if he hit feet-first the impact would have been absorbed/lessened that way - that's one reason there have been survivors of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge.  Add to that the known effect of stress-induced adrenaline overload allowing people to perform amazing physical feats.  Yeah, granted, it's unlikely, and he should have at least been hobbling around a bit when he climbed up the beach, but that's also a willing suspension of disbelief you can choose to go with.  It's also not like the past four seasons have been error- and inconsistency-free, either. 

Men of Science, proceed to rebut....

My point is that the stations where dharama stations. No one else had filled the chamber with metal and blew a hole in the back of it. If they did, there would of been a hole. It was either a good guess or bad writing.

Newerakb, I agree about the battery and taking the wires off.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 03, 2008, 03:48:12 PM
My two cents here:
1) How would Ben know that putting all of the metal in the chamber would blow out the back wall. They could of never done it before, otherwise it will would of been destroyed.  If Ben knows as much about the Island as he claims, then why wouldn't he know why one shouldn't put metal in the chamber and what would happen if one did?  He's a jerk, but he's not stupid.
2) Ben never did the move the island thing before, but he knew exactly what to do. Ditto
3) How does turning a wheel make an island move?? Pretty dumb to me. Very disappointed in that idea. Some ancient civilization discovered this?? We are not going to go aliens also, are we?? We still don't know everything about the island and its past inhabitants, so maybe they did.  Willing suspension of disbelief, except for the part about aliens, about which I agree with you.  I will puke if it's aliens.  That's such a cop-out.  I've had many an enjoyable book ruined for me by a crappy, far-fetched, you-readers-are-stupid-enough-to-accept-this-weak-answer "alien" ending; I hope not this show, too.   

And Cap'n Falafel:  as for Sawyer being conscious after hitting the water, I *suppose* we could be persuaded to believe that if he hit feet-first the impact would have been absorbed/lessened that way - that's one reason there have been survivors of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge.  Add to that the known effect of stress-induced adrenaline overload allowing people to perform amazing physical feats.  Yeah, granted, it's unlikely, and he should have at least been hobbling around a bit when he climbed up the beach, but that's also a willing suspension of disbelief you can choose to go with.  It's also not like the past four seasons have been error- and inconsistency-free, either. 

Men of Science, proceed to rebut....

My point is that the stations where dharama stations. No one else had filled the chamber with metal and blew a hole in the back of it. If they did, there would of been a hole. It was either a good guess or bad writing.

Newerakb, I agree about the battery and taking the wires off.
Unless the fixed the back end.

Ben used to be part of Dharma. Maybe he knew someone in that station and they told him what happened the first time they accidentally put metal in there, or maybe Jacob told him to do it.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: MangoBingo on June 03, 2008, 04:51:23 PM
Unless the fixed the back end.

Ben used to be part of Dharma. Maybe he knew someone in that station and they told him what happened the first time they accidentally put metal in there, or maybe Jacob told him to do it.

I completely agree.

And to repeat my analogy; if The Orchid was a car, the pod was the dashboard and the Ice Chamber was its engine. Ripping a dashboard out of a car doesn't render a car engine unuseable - just more difficult to utilise.

I'm beginning to think that's why the Faraday character was introduced - to repair the pod.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: therealsawyer on June 03, 2008, 09:33:51 PM

-Juliet sitting on the beach drunk (very weakly acted by Juliet, IMO), Dumb scene and pointless.

Think about it:

Juliet has now seen TWO vessels explode that she was expecting to get her off the island.

She also thinks she just saw the man she obviously loved blow up right in front of her (Jack).

She also thinks everyone else just died right along with him.

She ALSO may think that Ben "somehow" had something to do with it, after being manipulated by him so much for so long.

Juliet is in complete shock...and at this point, she's giving up hope completely of ever leaving. She's now accepting what she feels is her fate: to be on that island forever, to die there.

I'd be downing a hell of a lot more than just rum if I were in her shoes lol.
I also thought it was a call back to her previous flashbacks.

Sitting on the beach in Miami in "Not in Portland" and with Goodwin in "The Other Woman".
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 03, 2008, 11:37:01 PM
Unless the fixed the back end.

Ben used to be part of Dharma. Maybe he knew someone in that station and they told him what happened the first time they accidentally put metal in there, or maybe Jacob told him to do it.

I completely agree.

And to repeat my analogy; if The Orchid was a car, the pod was the dashboard and the Ice Chamber was its engine. Ripping a dashboard out of a car doesn't render a car engine unuseable - just more difficult to utilise.

I'm beginning to think that's why the Faraday character was introduced - to repair the pod.
I think that the pod is more like the A/C. It is one function of the car, but nothing bad happens if you rip it out. It's just an inconvenience.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Madam P on June 05, 2008, 08:54:46 PM
You know, it never ceases to amaze me... we sit here and watch an entire island blip away into the ocean and we don't bat an eye, but we worry about whether a transmitter will transmit through rock or whether a polar bear is capable of pushing a wheel in a semi-circle.   ;D  I know -- I'm just as bad -- I do it too.  We try to make everything make sense, but hey... this is "Lost"!  Three-quarters of the stuff on here doesn't make sense!   :D
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 05, 2008, 09:02:18 PM
I agree... :D

However, with a science fiction story, everything has to make sense in the universe that's created. So a disappearing island makes sense, but oversights and discontinuities don't... sorta.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: qgardens on June 06, 2008, 03:29:00 AM
Madam P and JBRam:  Nice ways to put it...something more to tide me over during the looooooong wait until January! 
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 06, 2008, 12:47:02 PM
Madam P and JBRam:  Nice ways to put it...something more to tide me over during the looooooong wait until January! 
You're more than welcome to wait it out with us :)
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: qgardens on June 12, 2008, 10:55:41 PM
Madam P and JBRam:  Nice ways to put it...something more to tide me over during the looooooong wait until January! 
You're more than welcome to wait it out with us :)
And I will - as long as my computer doesn't crap out like it did last week  >:( 
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 12, 2008, 10:59:55 PM
Madam P and JBRam:  Nice ways to put it...something more to tide me over during the looooooong wait until January! 
You're more than welcome to wait it out with us :)
And I will - as long as my computer doesn't crap out like it did last week  >:( 
Come visit us in the Community Lounge... it will make the time pass faster.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: qgardens on June 12, 2008, 11:32:23 PM
Yeah, I am.  But I fear running up my post count in the word-association game.  I guess that's not technically postwhoring, correct?
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 12, 2008, 11:53:20 PM
Yeah, I am.  But I fear running up my post count in the word-association game.  I guess that's not technically postwhoring, correct?
postwh0ring is allowed and encouraged in the community lounge :D

(But only in the community lounge!)
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: qgardens on June 13, 2008, 02:03:09 AM
only in the community lounge!
maybe i'll stick to here longer...youse guys made my head spin last month.  who'da thunk i'd need my college brain on a televison website??
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Shakey on June 13, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
And Cap'n Falafel:  as for Sawyer being conscious after hitting the water, I *suppose* we could be persuaded to believe that if he hit feet-first the impact would have been absorbed/lessened that way - that's one reason there have been survivors of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge.  Add to that the known effect of stress-induced adrenaline overload allowing people to perform amazing physical feats.  Yeah, granted, it's unlikely, and he should have at least been hobbling around a bit when he climbed up the beach, but that's also a willing suspension of disbelief you can choose to go with.  It's also not like the past four seasons have been error- and inconsistency-free, either. 

Men of Science, proceed to rebut....
I'm choosing to believe that the island's properties extend to the point that Sawyer is a fortunate recipient of its healing powers.  His jump was a self-sacrificing act and I'm sure the island gave him props for that.

As for the issue regarding the donkey wheel.. ya know, I'm okay with it.  I didn't expect them to explain in great detail how the island can move so I saw it as a "black box" method of explaining it.  Now, class, watch as I turn this wheel on this side of the wall and you'll see something incredible happen.  If they don't get into the inner workings of it, I'm accepting it as a simple way of letting us know that the island can, in fact, move but the how is gonna have to be kept secret.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: qgardens on June 13, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
Now that I reread that, I suppose you all know I meant "attempted suicides".  Duh.  My thanks for your polite disregard of the brain fart.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: JBRam on June 13, 2008, 11:06:11 PM
And Cap'n Falafel:  as for Sawyer being conscious after hitting the water, I *suppose* we could be persuaded to believe that if he hit feet-first the impact would have been absorbed/lessened that way - that's one reason there have been survivors of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge.  Add to that the known effect of stress-induced adrenaline overload allowing people to perform amazing physical feats.  Yeah, granted, it's unlikely, and he should have at least been hobbling around a bit when he climbed up the beach, but that's also a willing suspension of disbelief you can choose to go with.  It's also not like the past four seasons have been error- and inconsistency-free, either. 

Men of Science, proceed to rebut....
I'm choosing to believe that the island's properties extend to the point that Sawyer is a fortunate recipient of its healing powers.  His jump was a self-sacrificing act and I'm sure the island gave him props for that.

As for the issue regarding the donkey wheel.. ya know, I'm okay with it.  I didn't expect them to explain in great detail how the island can move so I saw it as a "black box" method of explaining it.  Now, class, watch as I turn this wheel on this side of the wall and you'll see something incredible happen.  If they don't get into the inner workings of it, I'm accepting it as a simple way of letting us know that the island can, in fact, move but the how is gonna have to be kept secret.
I kinda hope they don't explain it, cause it will just be cheesy trying to have a Dharma film say how the Casimir effect can make something completely disappear.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 14, 2008, 10:40:21 AM
Right, we just need some science fictional (or supernatural) handwaving accompanied by a few big words.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: E.S.B. on June 27, 2008, 01:35:31 PM
Shakey, you've summed up my feelings on both the Sawyer and Donkey Wheel issue.  Good post!

The one thing I'd like to add about people's complaints on the donkey wheel is...  can anyone come up with a better way for them to have moved the Island?  I mean, really, they just moved an Island!  Is there any way that concept can possibly be made realistic?  I thought the show did as a good a job as possible at turning that mind-bending concept into a reality on the screen.  It made me think of someone changing the tuner on an old-fashioned radio to a new frequency.  And I definitely thought it was pretty cool that there was a flash and sound reminiscent of the Hatch-imploding event.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: Shakey on June 27, 2008, 01:55:25 PM
Shakey, you've summed up my feelings on both the Sawyer and Donkey Wheel issue.  Good post!

The one thing I'd like to add about people's complaints on the donkey wheel is...  can anyone come up with a better way for them to have moved the Island?  I mean, really, they just moved an Island!  Is there any way that concept can possibly be made realistic?  I thought the show did as a good a job as possible at turning that mind-bending concept into a reality on the screen.  It made me think of someone changing the tuner on an old-fashioned radio to a new frequency.  And I definitely thought it was pretty cool that there was a flash and sound reminiscent of the Hatch-imploding event.
Thanks... your post is exactly what I was thinking... no realistic way to explain how they moved the island so don't bother trying.
Title: Re: Loved the Finale, But......
Post by: MangoBingo on January 23, 2009, 07:43:41 PM
Unless the fixed the back end.

Ben used to be part of Dharma. Maybe he knew someone in that station and they told him what happened the first time they accidentally put metal in there, or maybe Jacob told him to do it.

I completely agree.

And to repeat my analogy; if The Orchid was a car, the pod was the dashboard and the Ice Chamber was its engine. Ripping a dashboard out of a car doesn't render a car engine unuseable - just more difficult to utilise.

I'm beginning to think that's why the Faraday character was introduced - to repair the pod.

Well, I think he managed to repair it!  ;)