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Title: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Mommainternet on May 30, 2008, 06:45:10 AM
I don't think Jin died in the explosion for a few reasons.  At first when I saw the episode with Hurley and Sun visiting Jin's supposed grave I thought he had died and that explained why he wasn't an Oceanic 6, but thinking more about it and the date on the tombstone being the date of the crash and the lie they told him about him dying I don't think so anymore.

Also when you watch the episode again, Jack is saying that he was sorry about Jin, but he never says he dies, instead he guts cut off mid-sentence.

And now that we know that Sun is pairing with Widmore to find the island, that's making me believe Jin didn't die in the explosion and she's going back to find him.

Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Fenster on May 30, 2008, 09:15:58 AM
If he did somehow survive he'd be floating in the middle of the ocean as the island would have moved before he could have gotten back.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 30, 2008, 09:42:41 AM
At least until he gets picked up by the Faraday-Lostmobile
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 30, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
Jin has gone the way of Kelvin and died. But thank god Michael is dead, am I right?? Huh?? Yeah, I'm right.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 30, 2008, 09:55:52 AM
"Who the hell are you"-BOOM!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 30, 2008, 10:49:53 AM
I think he's dead, but I'm open to the possibility that he survived.  I think at the very least everyone on that helicopter thinks he's dead, and I don't see how he'd get off the boat without anyone on the chopper being like thank god he jumped off!  Either way, Jin was a retard for staying behind with Michael.  Two straight finales of questionable deaths... last season Charlie closed himself in and died when he could've easily escaped.  This season Jin stayed with Michael because who knows why, and then stayed on the freighter instead of jumping off because who knows why.  And even if he did manage to jump off and survive, one thing I learned from Titanic is that he's just going to get sucked underwater and drown when that ship is sinking.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: lostieloo on May 30, 2008, 10:53:03 AM
I'm going to be of the opinion that unless you see a dead body, they probably aren't dead.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: SQUIRT199 on May 30, 2008, 10:54:43 AM
Actually Mythbusters tested the "vacuum theory" of a sinking boat and proved that it wont drag you down with it when it sinks,

Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 30, 2008, 11:10:39 AM
That's funny because my friend said the helicopter didn't blow up when the fuel tank was shot and I told her Mythbusters proved that doesn't really happen unless maybe you're using tracer rounds.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Jas0n on May 30, 2008, 11:30:40 AM
sorry dudes but Jin is dead. the island is gone, the only way he has a chance of surviving is if he somehow got off the boat, and got rescued by penelopes boat... and we all know that didnt happen.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: CrashandCari on May 30, 2008, 11:35:22 AM
i said it in another thread.. i dont think he's dead

if you look at sledgeweb's own screenshot of the boat explosion.. theres NO ONE on the deck of the boat and Jin was standing right where the helicopter pad is

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/05/4x13-boat-explosion.php

i think michael was the only who died because he redeemed himself to the island but christian/jacob made it that everyone else was safe and probably back on the island..  somewhere we haven't seen yet
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: lostfromthestart on May 30, 2008, 11:42:12 AM
Jin is only dead IF the island is done with him.  I don't think it is.

Michael, on the other hand, was told by Christian (who is the island) that "he could go now".  Read:  dead.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on May 30, 2008, 01:14:32 PM
I honestly am still on the fence with this one. . . I agree with lostieloo that if we don't see a body, then they usually aren't dead.  Plus, I don't think Jin would be stupid enough to stay on the boat knowing it is going to explode.  Not to mention the fact that we don't see anyone on the deck when it explodes.  BUT,  if he did by chance get off the boat in time,  where could he have gone??  I think his only chance for living would be if Faraday and the Zodiac picked him up.  But if the Zodiac got sucked down with the island,  Jin would just end up S-O-L.   Unless he was smart enough to grab some type of floatation device before jumping.  Then he would float along in the ocean for a few days, and then be S-O-L.  Either way, it doesn't look promising for Jin, but I have high hopes!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 30, 2008, 01:31:32 PM
i said it in another thread.. i dont think he's dead

if you look at sledgeweb's own screenshot of the boat explosion.. theres NO ONE on the deck of the boat and Jin was standing right where the helicopter pad is

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/05/4x13-boat-explosion.php

i think michael was the only who died because he redeemed himself to the island but christian/jacob made it that everyone else was safe and probably back on the island..  somewhere we haven't seen yet

There is no one in the water either. There was more then just Jin on the boat. It had at least 11 red shirts and 5 crewmen aboard. I think Jack said to Sun there was no one in the water after the explosion.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Ladybug on May 31, 2008, 11:41:14 AM
i think he's dead.  i don't want him to be dead, but i think he is.  that scene was SO dramatic, so serious, so grave that i don't think tptb will come back and say, 'well it doesn't matter, he's alive.'  sun's grief shook me as a viewer.  i think that was it. final.  end. dead.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on May 31, 2008, 01:58:36 PM
Yunjin Kim was amazing in that scene..I felt like screaming and crying with her!  I really think she is the most underrated actress on the show!  I would love to see more of her and less Kate.  Anyways, I too think he is dead, but am open to him not being dead.  If he is not and they can explain it, the reunion would be better than the Penny/Desmond reunion.  However, I don't think this will happen.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 31, 2008, 02:06:03 PM
Jin is only dead IF the island is done with him.  I don't think it is.

Michael, on the other hand, was told by Christian (who is the island) that "he could go now".  Read:  dead.
*fingers crossed*  I agree & HOPE you're right!!!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: lostieloo on May 31, 2008, 02:28:23 PM
^ I know, huh?  That would be an amazing and tear jerking reunion, just like Penny and Des!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2008, 04:49:13 PM
His only hope is Island intervention, of the magical, probably teleportational kind.

He can't have been saved by Danny's boat. That boat could not have been to the freighter, picked Jin up and gotten back inside the bubble before the helicopter gets there.

I want him to be alive, but I fear its serious Island juju or nothing.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on May 31, 2008, 04:54:14 PM
Off topic...so Faraday is doomed too?
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2008, 05:07:04 PM
Oh no, I think Faraday and company are inside the bubble.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on May 31, 2008, 05:07:30 PM
Oh good!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 31, 2008, 05:13:31 PM
Oh no, I think Faraday and company are inside the bubble.
No Faraday and the Other Oceanic 6 (O-O6) were traveling in the direction of the boat. The island light was comming from behind them. Faraday and O-O6 will make a return next season in contradiction to Sayid's answer to the reporter, who they showed again for a reason. This gives the writers 6 more back stories to work with.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: JBRam on May 31, 2008, 05:51:51 PM
if you look at sledgeweb's own screenshot of the boat explosion.. theres NO ONE on the deck of the boat and Jin was standing right where the helicopter pad is

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/05/4x13-boat-explosion.php
You realize that any pyrotechnic who destroys a boat with actors still on it is basically insane, right?

I say Jin is dead, but I've been saying that since Sun did back in Ji Yeon. Michael is most likely dead. Christian saying "You can go now" seemed like he was released and allowed to die.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on May 31, 2008, 05:59:30 PM
I was watching this scene and it would appear that he died.  Sure they didn't show him RIGHT when the explosion happened, but hey! 
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: JBRam on May 31, 2008, 06:05:14 PM
I don't know if he died in the explosion or if he died by drowning. Did he ever get a life jacket?
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on May 31, 2008, 06:08:22 PM
No he didn't.  Sun did really think he was down there tho...
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: jphimself on May 31, 2008, 11:03:06 PM
I honestly am still on the fence with this one. . . I agree with lostieloo that if we don't see a body, then they usually aren't dead.  Plus, I don't think Jin would be stupid enough to stay on the boat knowing it is going to explode.  Not to mention the fact that we don't see anyone on the deck when it explodes.  BUT,  if he did by chance get off the boat in time,  where could he have gone??  I think his only chance for living would be if Faraday and the Zodiac picked him up.  But if the Zodiac got sucked down with the island,  Jin would just end up S-O-L.   Unless he was smart enough to grab some type of floatation device before jumping.  Then he would float along in the ocean for a few days, and then be S-O-L.  Either way, it doesn't look promising for Jin, but I have high hopes!


Here's another theory on how Jin could have survived, if he was able to dive off the boat before the explosion and survive the jump and the blast concussion:

As has been said, the Island would be gone, there would be no place for him to swim.
Jin would presumably be stranded just like the O6 plus Des and Frank.

But...we know that Halliwax, on the tape, warned against putting non-organic material in the chamber, especially metal.  Suppose only organic matter can transport (through time and/or space) with the island

It could be possible that Jin would transport with the Island while the gang in the chopper would not, even though closer to the Island, because they are encased in metal, the chopper itself.  After all, we don't know how wide an area would transport with the Island.  Perhaps Jin, alone and totally organic in the water, would fall within its influence.  As for Daniel and the others in the zodiac, could go either way, but I'd bet they would go with the Island as well because of their nearness to it.

Sun may have used her control of Paik Industries to discover this possibility, but needs to manipulate Widmore into some action to make her plan work, hence her trip to London.

Hell, it would make for one very satisfying reunion in season 5 or 6, especially after her agony at apparently losing him in the explosion.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 31, 2008, 11:19:20 PM
if you look at sledgeweb's own screenshot of the boat explosion.. theres NO ONE on the deck of the boat and Jin was standing right where the helicopter pad is

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/05/4x13-boat-explosion.php
You realize that any pyrotechnic who destroys a boat with actors still on it is basically insane, right?

I say Jin is dead, but I've been saying that since Sun did back in Ji Yeon. Michael is most likely dead. Christian saying "You can go now" seemed like he was released and allowed to die.

And you do realize that was all done with CG on a computer. Fake actors would be easy to put in there. There were no actors in the water either.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: lostandfree on June 01, 2008, 12:07:11 AM
I don't know if Jin died or not.  But if he is alive no one on that helicopter would know it.  It's not like they went back and examined the water, they flew away.  So whatever Jack said to Sun or Sun said to Widmore has nothing to do with it because none of them have any way of knowing if Jin survived.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: newerakb on June 01, 2008, 02:05:41 AM
The fact that there were no people in the water or on the deck of the boat during the explosion to me doesn't hint that he's alive, it more hints that they either were lazy with the CG, used a pyrotechnic shot and obviously didn't have people on it, or more likely haven't yet decided if Jin lives or dies so they didn't want a decisive answer in the shot.

When the explosion first happened, my gut reaction was that he jumped and survived, and then when the 6 go back to the island next season, there's a big reunion. But then the island disappeared, and since Jin would have been further from the island than the chopper at that point, there's no way he made it to the island. So now I'm about 80% sure he's dead, and can't imagine any scenario that involves him alive that would seem plausible. The only possibilities I can think of involve divine intervention or the island somehow taking him, and both of those seem like cop-outs as far as writing goes.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: golfstrom on June 01, 2008, 05:53:28 AM
When I saw the scene with Jin running through the corridors, desperately trying to get to the upper deck, and then getting there to see the chopper fly off I couldn't help but think of a similar scene in "Platoon", when Elias is left to die...

Did anyone have the same impression?

Not that it explains anything but is another "intertextual" in Lost.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: bianconiglio on June 01, 2008, 10:33:51 AM
I really hope he didn't...  :-[
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: JBRam on June 01, 2008, 03:10:07 PM
if you look at sledgeweb's own screenshot of the boat explosion.. theres NO ONE on the deck of the boat and Jin was standing right where the helicopter pad is

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/05/4x13-boat-explosion.php
You realize that any pyrotechnic who destroys a boat with actors still on it is basically insane, right?

I say Jin is dead, but I've been saying that since Sun did back in Ji Yeon. Michael is most likely dead. Christian saying "You can go now" seemed like he was released and allowed to die.

And you do realize that was all done with CG on a computer. Fake actors would be easy to put in there. There were no actors in the water either.
Probably CG, although it might be easier just to blow a boat. However, adding in actors takes more time, takes more money, etc. The absence of actors in the water and on the boat to me just means they didn't have them there.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Lostfanchrim on June 01, 2008, 03:44:40 PM
Why else would Sun take over as Managing Director of paik Industries and then search out Charles Widmore to align herself with him? She wants to find the island just as much as Widmore does. IMO, Sun would not be doing this unless she hopes to find Jin alive when she finds the island again. She probably doesn't know if he is alive or not but, she IS trying to find him.

Just my 2 cents. I think Jin is alive.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on June 01, 2008, 10:19:37 PM
OK to me It is definitely a CG shot, That was contracted out to a firm. The producers probably didn't want anything to get leaked so they just asked for an areal shot from a helicopter of a freighter exploding. The CG firm probably asked if people were on it and were told just make an empty boat we haven't decided if we are going to kill people off or not.

Thats my take on the whole scene.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: WhatThe on June 01, 2008, 11:01:36 PM
Yunjin Kim was amazing in that scene..I felt like screaming and crying with her!  I really think she is the most underrated actress on the show!  I would love to see more of her and less Kate. 
I'd like to see more of both, actually...scantily dressed and whipping their hair around in slow motion.  8)
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: WhatThe on June 01, 2008, 11:03:30 PM
Oh, and I think Jin is alive just as much as I thought Christian was dead. Which means Jin is alive.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: spazzledazzle on June 02, 2008, 09:14:57 AM
but if he survived then he's stranded in the middle of the ocean since the island isnt there anymore... so he would die anyway even if he did survive the explosion.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: opgelost on June 02, 2008, 09:48:25 AM
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It could be possible that Jin would transport with the Island while the gang in the chopper would not, even though closer to the Island

The island disappeared in a whirlpool in the ocean. I think it sucked in it everything surrounding, the people in the water,
Daniel on the boat and the remains of the freighter. The helicopter was in the air.
Like when you pull the table-cover you bring down everything on it, but not the lamp hanging above the table.
I think Jin is alive. 
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: spazzledazzle on June 02, 2008, 11:23:09 AM
i hope youre right. but still even if he did move with the island he still just survived an explosion where he must have been hurt because he was right next to it. and he was far away from the island in the water. how could he swim all the way to the island being hurt? i mean i was surprised sawyer made it to the island being so far from it. i hope jin is alive though and i hope we have a jin/sun reunion like the des/penny one. but not for awhile or it would be too corny.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Writers_Strike on June 02, 2008, 01:45:47 PM
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It could be possible that Jin would transport with the Island while the gang in the chopper would not, even though closer to the Island

The island disappeared in a whirlpool in the ocean. I think it sucked in it everything surrounding, the people in the water,
Daniel on the boat and the remains of the freighter.
The helicopter was in the air.
Like when you pull the table-cover you bring down everything on it, but not the lamp hanging above the table.
I think Jin is alive. 


Not like that, Think of a boat in the water. It displaces water equal to the total weight of the boat. If you make the boat disappear instantaneously, there will be a void in the water the shape of the hull. The water will instantly start filling the gap. This is what we saw after the island disappeared. Now I am not saying the island was floating, just that it displaces water also.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 02, 2008, 03:45:39 PM
Yunjin Kim was amazing in that scene..I felt like screaming and crying with her!  I really think she is the most underrated actress on the show!  I would love to see more of her and less Kate. 
I'd like to see more of both, actually...scantily dressed and whipping their hair around in slow motion.  8)

Here you go.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=2543.msg111153#msg111153
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: JBRam on June 02, 2008, 04:02:53 PM
Yunjin Kim was amazing in that scene..I felt like screaming and crying with her!  I really think she is the most underrated actress on the show!  I would love to see more of her and less Kate. 
I'd like to see more of both, actually...scantily dressed and whipping their hair around in slow motion.  8)

Here you go.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=2543.msg111153#msg111153
:D
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 02, 2008, 04:15:13 PM
Yunjin Kim was amazing in that scene..I felt like screaming and crying with her!  I really think she is the most underrated actress on the show!  I would love to see more of her and less Kate. 
I'd like to see more of both, actually...scantily dressed and whipping their hair around in slow motion.  8)

Here you go.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=2543.msg111153#msg111153
:D

She's my favorite on the show.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: NoraCharles on June 02, 2008, 06:20:20 PM
Jin is only dead IF the island is done with him.  I don't think it is.

Michael, on the other hand, was told by Christian (who is the island) that "he could go now".  Read:  dead.

Yeah, I'm in the Jin is alive camp.
Plus it kind of repeats a cyclical pattern with the island. People are separated (Penny and Desmond) and then they are reunited. Sun knew enough that if anyone can find the island again, it's Whidmore and she's going to align with him to find Jin.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: golfstrom on June 03, 2008, 07:07:53 AM
Here's a bit of cynical comment on that subject by my husband:

"Wasn't Daniel Dae Kim stopped for drink-driving? Well, everything's clear then".
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: lostieloo on June 03, 2008, 09:56:12 AM
^ Oh yeah, the dreaded Lost curse! 
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 03, 2008, 10:01:44 AM
Here's a bit of cynical comment on that subject by my husband:

"Wasn't Daniel Dae Kim stopped for drink-driving? Well, everything's clear then".

Forgot about that, even further proof that he won't be on the show anymore. Well done.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Jungle Otter on June 03, 2008, 10:21:36 AM
I think Jin is alive as well...how he would survive in the water is another story but anything is possible. Michael - depends on what your definition of "alive" is - is Christian "alive" or is it spiritual Memorex? I think we may see Michael yet again tho in a different circumstance, ie. the cabin - Claire is there and possibly dead/not dead....

Granted Michael didn't have a chance in hell of running down the corridor, out onto the deck, grab a life jacket and get off before the boom but it could be Christian "collected" him
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 03, 2008, 12:18:51 PM
I think Jin is alive as well...how he would survive in the water is another story but anything is possible. Michael - depends on what your definition of "alive" is - is Christian "alive" or is it spiritual Memorex? I think we may see Michael yet again tho in a different circumstance, ie. the cabin - Claire is there and possibly dead/not dead....

Granted Michael didn't have a chance in hell of running down the corridor, out onto the deck, grab a life jacket and get off before the boom but it could be Christian "collected" him

So even if Michael were going to be back on the show, which he isn't, what purpose would he serve in the cabin??
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: newerakb on June 03, 2008, 12:52:50 PM
Jin is only dead IF the island is done with him.  I don't think it is.

Michael, on the other hand, was told by Christian (who is the island) that "he could go now".  Read:  dead.

Yeah, I'm in the Jin is alive camp.
Plus it kind of repeats a cyclical pattern with the island. People are separated (Penny and Desmond) and then they are reunited. Sun knew enough that if anyone can find the island again, it's Whidmore and she's going to align with him to find Jin.

Except for black fathers and sons, according to Harold Perrineau (Michael) in a TV guide interview, where he sounded really pissed about being killed off, and about Lost's attitude towards black people, and how bad it is that they reunite all these other people but take away a black kid's father, in some sort of homage to a bad stereotype.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 03, 2008, 01:11:00 PM
Except for black fathers and sons, according to Harold Perrineau (Michael) in a TV guide interview, where he sounded really pissed about being killed off, and about Lost's attitude towards black people, and how bad it is that they reunite all these other people but take away a black kid's father, in some sort of homage to a bad stereotype.

Personally I think that this is a touch much of Harold Perrineau trying to play the race card. I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't see Michael get blown up and think, "Isn't it just like a black man to abandon his kid??" The fact of the matter is that the Michael and Walt weren't reunited because that's what the story called for. They could have been any race, and it wouldn't have mattered. They could have just as easily not had any black people at all in the cast. And what about Rose and Bernard?? If the producers are comfortable enough to put a white man and a black woman in a relationship, then why is it assumed that they are racist?? Sorry to go off on that, but it really bothered me when I read that yesterday.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Jungle Otter on June 03, 2008, 01:34:08 PM
I think Jin is alive as well...how he would survive in the water is another story but anything is possible. Michael - depends on what your definition of "alive" is - is Christian "alive" or is it spiritual Memorex? I think we may see Michael yet again tho in a different circumstance, ie. the cabin - Claire is there and possibly dead/not dead....

Granted Michael didn't have a chance in hell of running down the corridor, out onto the deck, grab a life jacket and get off before the boom but it could be Christian "collected" him

So even if Michael were going to be back on the show, which he isn't, what purpose would he serve in the cabin??

the same as Claire i would suppose....
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 03, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
I think Jin is alive as well...how he would survive in the water is another story but anything is possible. Michael - depends on what your definition of "alive" is - is Christian "alive" or is it spiritual Memorex? I think we may see Michael yet again tho in a different circumstance, ie. the cabin - Claire is there and possibly dead/not dead....

Granted Michael didn't have a chance in hell of running down the corridor, out onto the deck, grab a life jacket and get off before the boom but it could be Christian "collected" him

So even if Michael were going to be back on the show, which he isn't, what purpose would he serve in the cabin??

the same as Claire i would suppose....

Which is??
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 30, 2008, 03:00:55 AM
This is probably WAY old news (sorry, all....I'm retarded like that.  Deal. lol), but neither Jin nor Claire appear in the main s5 promotional shots.





(still no spoiler tags, so quote my post if you want to read it)

Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Jungle Otter on December 30, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
Jin is the Wile E Coyote of LOST..... just a theory  ;)

(http://www.pioneernet.net/curtis/images/wile_e/wilekite.jpg)
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 30, 2008, 01:30:58 PM
This is probably WAY old news (sorry, all....I'm retarded like that.  Deal. lol), but .......





(still no spoiler tags, so quote my post if you want to read it)



That could just be a way of surprising us. I took out the text entirely, just in case.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: E.S.B. on December 30, 2008, 11:04:19 PM
I had been in the "Jin is alive" camp, but now I'm thinking he's dead.  His character kind of went full circle, the way Charlie did, with his redemption and making the ultimate sacrifice to save Sun and Ji Yeon, becoming the hero.  I'm guessing Jin will still play a role, but more like Charlie - appearences from the "beyond" or wherever "dead" characters go in the Lost universe.

And I also was really really hoping that Claire is still alive, but then I just rewatched The Shape of Things to Come and Something Nice Back Home, and I'm thinking she's dead.  After Sawyer saves Claire and brings her to Ben's house, they ask her if she's okay, and she says she's feeling woozy but, "I'll be alright."  And then Miles quickly retorts "for now."  And let's remember, Miles is a clairevoyant of some sort.  This just struck me over the head when I saw it.  And then in 4.10 when she leaves Aaron to go off with Christian, that just struck as being completely out of character for Claire - she is not one to quickly believe in things, so why would Christian be able to convince her to leave Aaron and come to the cabin because the Island is in danger?  And more importanly, she would NEVER leave Aaron like that.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 31, 2008, 01:23:12 PM
I had been in the "Jin is alive" camp, but now I'm thinking he's dead.  His character kind of went full circle, the way Charlie did, with his redemption and making the ultimate sacrifice to save Sun and Ji Yeon, becoming the hero.  I'm guessing Jin will still play a role, but more like Charlie - appearences from the "beyond" or wherever "dead" characters go in the Lost universe.

And I also was really really hoping that Claire is still alive, but then I just rewatched The Shape of Things to Come and Something Nice Back Home, and I'm thinking she's dead.  After Sawyer saves Claire and brings her to Ben's house, they ask her if she's okay, and she says she's feeling woozy but, "I'll be alright."  And then Miles quickly retorts "for now."  And let's remember, Miles is a clairevoyant of some sort.  This just struck me over the head when I saw it.  And then in 4.10 when she leaves Aaron to go off with Christian, that just struck as being completely out of character for Claire - she is not one to quickly believe in things, so why would Christian be able to convince her to leave Aaron and come to the cabin because the Island is in danger?  And more importanly, she would NEVER leave Aaron like that.
I agree with your thoughts on Jin. *sniff :'( sniff*  I think I said last season that the only way he'd still be alive is if the Island wasn't really done with him, but I guess that goes without saying.

I really don't know what to think about Claire!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Asmodean on December 31, 2008, 02:01:54 PM
I think the island was done with him when he got that DUI.  :o
*Yes he went there*
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: LostinLock on December 31, 2008, 02:08:57 PM
I think the island was done with him when he got that DUI.  :o
*Yes he went there*

That is the standard for the actors, drink and you die!  Good public service message !  I went to Hawaii got a DUI and now I am off the island!

Oh Poor Jin, he is alive just watch reruns and live in denial!   ;D
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Asmodean on December 31, 2008, 02:12:37 PM
I did hear a certain ex-cop who also got a DUI will make a guest appearance this season.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 05, 2009, 09:48:59 AM
I had been in the "Jin is alive" camp, but now I'm thinking he's dead.  His character kind of went full circle, the way Charlie did, with his redemption and making the ultimate sacrifice to save Sun and Ji Yeon, becoming the hero.  I'm guessing Jin will still play a role, but more like Charlie - appearences from the "beyond" or wherever "dead" characters go in the Lost universe.

And I also was really really hoping that Claire is still alive, but then I just rewatched The Shape of Things to Come and Something Nice Back Home, and I'm thinking she's dead.  After Sawyer saves Claire and brings her to Ben's house, they ask her if she's okay, and she says she's feeling woozy but, "I'll be alright."  And then Miles quickly retorts "for now."  And let's remember, Miles is a clairevoyant of some sort.  This just struck me over the head when I saw it.  And then in 4.10 when she leaves Aaron to go off with Christian, that just struck as being completely out of character for Claire - she is not one to quickly believe in things, so why would Christian be able to convince her to leave Aaron and come to the cabin because the Island is in danger?  And more importanly, she would NEVER leave Aaron like that.

The only problem I see with what you're saying about Claire, is that she did leave Aaron, so you can't say she would never leave him. As far as Miles's line "for now", I think that is more along the lines of him being a pessimist. I'm pretty sure all he can see are ghosts/spirits. I don't think he has any ability to see into the future.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 05, 2009, 04:41:48 PM
Yeah, my point about Claire is that if she were truly "alive," I could not see her leaving Aaron like that because it is very out of character.  So she must be dead?  I dunno.  Hopefully there is a better explanation.

As for Miles, I guess there's really no solid evidence suggesting he can do more than speak to the dead, but I wonder if he can do more.  I mean, he was acting really weird around Claire when they were walking back to the beach - why?  And he made some comment to Charlotte in the Finale implicating that she should want to stay on the Island for some reason.  What could he know, and how could know it?  Maybe a dead person told him, or maybe he has additional psychic abilities.  Time will tell!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: jugdish on January 05, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
I believe he was acting weird around Claire because she died in that explosion of her house.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: LostinLock on January 05, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Yeah, my point about Claire is that if she were truly "alive," I could not see her leaving Aaron like that because it is very out of character.  So she must be dead?  I dunno.  Hopefully there is a better explanation.

As for Miles, I guess there's really no solid evidence suggesting he can do more than speak to the dead, but I wonder if he can do more.  I mean, he was acting really weird around Claire when they were walking back to the beach - why?  And he made some comment to Charlotte in the Finale implicating that she should want to stay on the Island for some reason.  What could he know, and how could know it?  Maybe a dead person told him, or maybe he has additional psychic abilities.  Time will tell!

Wait ....If she were dead then why did Sawyer see her?  He has not been one of the characters that has seen dead people.  Agreed that Miles was acting odd around Claire, and Sawyer kept telling Miles to bugger off!  More about this later
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on January 05, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Everyone on that island sees dead people! lol

I think Claire is dead, but not convinced about Jin. 
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 05, 2009, 09:17:55 PM
I would feel really hoodwinked if Claire is really dead, but "appearances can be deceiving" was a HUGE theme this season.



& I KNOW the deleted scenes are noncanonical, but still!  Did everyone see the one with Claire & Hurley after the explosion?
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 06, 2009, 09:38:44 AM
Yeah, my point about Claire is that if she were truly "alive," I could not see her leaving Aaron like that because it is very out of character.  So she must be dead?  I dunno.  Hopefully there is a better explanation.

As for Miles, I guess there's really no solid evidence suggesting he can do more than speak to the dead, but I wonder if he can do more.  I mean, he was acting really weird around Claire when they were walking back to the beach - why?  And he made some comment to Charlotte in the Finale implicating that she should want to stay on the Island for some reason.  What could he know, and how could know it?  Maybe a dead person told him, or maybe he has additional psychic abilities.  Time will tell!

You know, I totally forgot about a few of Miles's weird quirks like that, so maybe he does have some sort of ability to see into the future. Perhaps flying through the anomaly paired with his ability to speak to the dead gave him the same ability that Desmond had, but without the amnesia. Hmmmm, weird. But good point on your end. I have sort of forgotten alot because I have been rewatching everything. Starting on Season 2 tonight, so maybe I'll have some interesting revelations. LOL
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 08, 2009, 08:19:54 PM
I would feel really hoodwinked if Claire is really dead, but "appearances can be deceiving" was a HUGE theme this season.



& I KNOW the deleted scenes are noncanonical, but still!  Did everyone see the one with Claire & Hurley after the explosion?

I like the "appearances can be deceiving" theme, good point!  Maybe we are made to just think that Claire might be dead (same with Jin, obviously), but it's really something completely different - which would be awesome, because I would not be pleased if Claire is dead, either.  There's just something strange going on.  ((and who you gonna call?))

The deleted scene with Claire and Hurley...  did they put that in the S4 boxset?
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on January 08, 2009, 10:07:57 PM
I just saw this one again and I still think she is dead, there is NO WAY Claire would leave the baby if she were alive.  I agree something strange is afoot as well.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: Sunflower on January 08, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
Oh, and Miles totally knows what's going on as far as all the dead people go!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: jugdish on January 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
I agree. There is no way she would just leave Aaron.

Maybe she is not dead, but the island has "taken control" of her for some purpose. Using her to complete a task. We have not seen this happen yet, but weird stuff does go on there.
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 09, 2009, 02:15:56 PM
I would feel really hoodwinked if Claire is really dead, but "appearances can be deceiving" was a HUGE theme this season.



& I KNOW the deleted scenes are noncanonical, but still!  Did everyone see the one with Claire & Hurley after the explosion?

I like the "appearances can be deceiving" theme, good point!  Maybe we are made to just think that Claire might be dead (same with Jin, obviously), but it's really something completely different - which would be awesome, because I would not be pleased if Claire is dead, either.  There's just something strange going on.  ((and who you gonna call?))

The deleted scene with Claire and Hurley...  did they put that in the S4 boxset?
Yes- if they had left this in the episode, I would be more inclined to think she's dead.  They may have left it out, so as to not give it away so quickly! lol

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Claire's Vision: Claire is resting in bed while Hurley nurses her. He tells her to try and stay awake. Claire notices something in the room, then asks Hurley why her father is there. When Hurley looks around, no one is in the room. She then asks if they are dead. Hurley jokes that if they are, heaven sucks. This scene was deleted from "The Shape of Things to Come".


http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Deleted_scenes#Regular_Disc_5_Deleted_Scenes

I agree. There is no way she would just leave Aaron.

Maybe she is not dead, but the island has "taken control" of her for some purpose. Using her to complete a task. We have not seen this happen yet, but weird stuff does go on there.
She almost seemed drugged like when she was with Ethan back in s2!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 10, 2009, 12:46:56 AM
I agree. There is no way she would just leave Aaron.

Maybe she is not dead, but the island has "taken control" of her for some purpose. Using her to complete a task. We have not seen this happen yet, but weird stuff does go on there.

Yes!  I like that explanation!
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: JBRam on March 08, 2009, 02:35:05 PM
I guess I was wrong... Jin is alive
Title: Re: Did Jin really die in the explosion?
Post by: opgelost on March 09, 2009, 07:17:05 AM
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It could be possible that Jin would transport with the Island while the gang in the chopper would not, even though closer to the Island

The island disappeared in a whirlpool in the ocean. I think it sucked in it everything surrounding, the people in the water,
Daniel on the boat and the remains of the freighter. The helicopter was in the air.
Like when you pull the table-cover you bring down everything on it, but not the lamp hanging above the table.
I think Jin is alive. 


I guess I was right... except for the remains of the freighter.  :o