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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 4 => Episode 4x10 => Topic started by: catchit on May 02, 2008, 04:49:26 AM

Title: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: catchit on May 02, 2008, 04:49:26 AM
Why else would that smoke alarm be going off at that very moment....?....IMO a total hint.

Smokey brought Christian to Jack to deliver a message - just like he brought Lock's dad to the island, Charlie to Hurley, Kate's horse to the island ... etc.  This is why future "i wanna kill myself :'(" Jack HAS to go back.

Smokey is some kind of transportation device and is able to teleport stuff to and from the island

also, this is why "the island wont let you die," because smokey = the island, and is able to go anywhere and affect anyone the island needs (or isnt done with)...or maybe, smokey is just the islands bitch


i have more but my brain just exploded



Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 06:07:16 AM
yes i stated this in the Christian is back thread.   I believe this to be a sign from the writers telling us it was smokie
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LostinLock on May 02, 2008, 06:47:02 AM
Yes, during the chat I said that same thing.  Obviously something to say hello.

But I was having some fun with this.  If the smoke can't reach the beach then why would it go on the mainland.

Specific to the island only
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 02, 2008, 07:12:51 AM
The alarm was not going off. That is a low voltage warning telling you to replace the battery, nothing more.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: WhatThe on May 02, 2008, 07:25:58 AM
Why else would that smoke alarm be going off at that very moment....?....IMO a total hint.

Well, to be specific the smoke alarm wasn't going off...the battery indicator was beeping because apparently the battery was low lol.


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Smokey brought Christian to Jack to deliver a message - just like he brought Lock's dad to the island, Charlie to Hurley, Kate's horse to the island ... etc.  This is why future "i wanna kill myself :'(" Jack HAS to go back.

Smokey is some kind of transportation device and is able to teleport stuff to and from the island

also, this is why "the island wont let you die," because smokey = the island, and is able to go anywhere and affect anyone the island needs (or isnt done with)...or maybe, smokey is just the islands bitch

Then why didn't Smokie bring Jack back to the island? If it brought Locke's dad, it should be able to bring Jack as well. Plus, the island didn't seem to need Smokie to get Michael to do its bidding...Tom just approached him and basically said "We still need you". Plus, we know that in the future Jack loses it, becomes hooked on prescription pills and keeps flying on Oceanic flights over and over again in hopes of crashing again on the island. If Smokie is some sort of transportation device and the island still needs him, why hasn't Smokie used its transportation abilities and saved Jack all those attempts of hoping the plane he's on will somehow crash on the same island...twice?

I do think you're right in that the smoke alarm beeping was something the writers put in there as a reference to Smokie, but I'm not quite sold that they were trying to tell us that Smokie was actually there in the lobby of the hospital.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 05, 2008, 07:12:52 PM
The Smoke alarm went off only to get Jack to come into the hall. If you notice, he pulled out a chair, got up, and removed the battery. If that doesn't tell you it was only a low-battery warning, I don't know what else is. To say that Smokey was there is pure nonsense.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 05, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
It simply added to the suspense, tension, & drama of the scene.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 05, 2008, 08:34:57 PM
or an homage to the fans to make us go crazy with ideas and comments on websites LOL
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 05, 2008, 08:44:00 PM
It simply added to the suspense, tension, & drama of the scene.
I still disagree. It was simply a plot to get Jack out of his office so he could see Christian. I didn't feel tense at all, just annoyed at the stupid beep. I hate it when my smoke alarm battery dies, so it brought back some not-so-fond memories for me.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 05, 2008, 10:26:56 PM
Do you remember Season Two and the sound that constantly was announcing to the Losties that they "had work to do"?  It was a beep.  The sound was symbolic.  Not functional.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on May 06, 2008, 06:57:14 AM
If anything it reminded me of the Swan station 'beeping' sound that eminated from the computer informing the Losties that the timer was running.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on May 06, 2008, 01:18:47 PM
Sounded like the battery was going dead- I think that is all there is to that.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: kfunk01 on May 06, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
Has anyone made this connection yet Dharma and maybe buddism - the symbolism of the different animals that don't belong on the island - Somehow this might relate to smokey?
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Asmodean on May 06, 2008, 02:18:15 PM
The unusual animals on the island were part of Dharma's zoological experiments.

The show has ties to numerous religious themes including Buddhism.

I can't see how these could be tie in to Smokey.  Religion & animals?  Smokey may sometimes have "animalistic" tendencies, but that could be anything to include programming.  Maybe explain your theory a bit more.

You don't need to post the same subject in multiple threads.  We get them all.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: kfunk01 on May 06, 2008, 03:58:15 PM
Okay sorry about posting in more than one spot didn't know where to put the idea... I am in no way Buddist I am just Catholic.  I just saw some things that made me think of Buddism anything I knew of Buddism.  Of course the Darmah logo.  The animals that don't belong *reincarnated?*.  -  I don't know if this next part connects to Buddism at all.  Or where it goes the supernatural unknown - The people that have died.  Is it possible they are a the smokey thing taking their form and the smoke thing is put out by Ben whom controls it and can get it to attack certian people and manipulate them into doing things.  *note it has never been a good thing when someone who has died magically appears* - Or is the smoke monster death trying to correct things by luring "the surviors" to their death.  And to make my crazy half sense nonsense about this go a little further.  I cannot rember who but one the one with the balloon thing.  He said he has died before on the island.  But instead of being dead he wakes up and he has gone back in time. Am I off I thought that was the jist of it... Anyways death trying to fix something?  I dunno - definatly doesn't relate to the Buddism idea at least to anything I know - I don't know Death has a big tie in and somehow I think buddism is going to fit in just haven't figured it out. 
Okay just because I am catholic I thought that at one time they might be in Purgatory but it just doesn't seem realistic anymore... Okay I have spoke most of my mind on the subject.... *sigh
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Asmodean on May 06, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
Anything is possible on this show, as you know.  Everybody will have an opinion too.  There are no experts, except maybe Juggy or Laklost.  Those two are usually dead on with their info. 

I think the dead are some form of the island/Jacob whatever and Smokey is a natural part of the island that has been harnessed for defense, but does it's own thang too.  Purgatory would answer alot, but the powers in charge have constantly said it's not the case.  Of course, never believe all they tell you either.

Oh and if nobody has already said it, welcome to SWLS!
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 06:14:11 PM
Welcome, Kfunk01!  What a great name!

Since you mentioned your Catholicism, wouldn't you say that at least the return from the dead of Lazarus had a good effect?  We're so overtaken with horror images that the thought that someone could pass through death and come out a hero is sort of lost on us.  Think of Aslan in Narnia.  His death was certainly the gateway to his conquering.  I have a feeling that this is going to be a wild ride!

And Asmo is wrong, I am only occassionally right.  Jug is always right - that was correct.  :D
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 06:16:10 PM
Welcome, Kfunk01!  What a great name!

Since you mentioned your Catholicism, wouldn't you say that at least the return from the dead of Lazarus had a good effect?  We're so overtaken with horror images that the thought that someone could pass through death and come out a hero is sort of lost on us.  Think of Aslan in Narnia.  His death was certainly the gateway to his conquering.  I have a feeling that this is going to be a wild ride!

And Asmo is wrong, I am only occassionally right.  Jug is always right - that was correct.  :D
I agree with the last sentence.

Also, I am always wrong, according to dear Laklost ;)
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Asmodean on May 06, 2008, 06:16:30 PM
She's a witch too.  She feels it when people type about her.  ;)
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 06:17:15 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 06:18:46 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
I KNEW IT! :D
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 06:20:57 PM
You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 06:29:56 PM
I knew this forum was good for something
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
When I post it is a manifestation of Smokey.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 06:31:58 PM
When I post it is a manifestation of Smokey.
I thought you were just coming back from the dead as a non-brain-eating civilized zombie.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 06:32:25 PM
When I post it is a manifestation of Smokey.
I thought you were just coming back from the dead as a non-brain-eating civilized zombie.

Oh, I've been back for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 06, 2008, 08:14:46 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Something inherently funny about that...I thought all witches were pyros, in some form or another...LOL
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 08:18:45 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Something inherently funny about that...I thought all witches were pyros, in some form or another...LOL

But Amish?  You've got to admit I've added a new dimension.  ;)
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 06, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Something inherently funny about that...I thought all witches were pyros, in some form or another...LOL

But Amish?  You've got to admit I've added a new dimension.  ;)
either way, you're casting fire or being burned at the stake...lol
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 08:52:46 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Something inherently funny about that...I thought all witches were pyros, in some form or another...LOL

But Amish?  You've got to admit I've added a new dimension.  ;)
either way, you're casting fire or being burned at the stake...lol

Precisely.  I'm doomed either way!
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 09:33:45 PM
Come on, embrace your pyromania.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 06, 2008, 09:48:06 PM
how come they didnt have any smoke detectors in any of the stations then?
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 10:05:58 PM
Because they didn't have smoke detectors as part of a building code back in the early 80s?
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 06, 2008, 10:13:30 PM
Because they didn't have smoke detectors as part of a building code back in the early 80s?
yet they had the new washer and dryer....lol
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 10:16:06 PM
I don't think they found it necessary... I mean it's not like they had a fire department.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 06, 2008, 10:56:09 PM
what would be ironic was a smoke dectector that sounded like the alarm in the Swan ....lol
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 10:57:06 PM
Some people have said they thought the low battery beep sounded like the Swan beep at 4 minutes.

I don't.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: LouE68 on May 06, 2008, 11:26:13 PM
some people have a vivid imagination....
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: jugdish on May 06, 2008, 11:27:17 PM
some people have a vivid imagination....
Yes they do
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: T Mack on May 07, 2008, 12:56:55 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Neither can I.  Cheney and the CIA are probably tracking you on the intraweb now, as we speak.   You may officially be declared a terrorist by days end.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Ladybug on May 08, 2008, 11:49:56 AM
It simply added to the suspense, tension, & drama of the scene.
I still disagree. It was simply a plot to get Jack out of his office so he could see Christian. I didn't feel tense at all, just annoyed at the stupid beep. I hate it when my smoke alarm battery dies, so it brought back some not-so-fond memories for me.
i agree.  beep not important, just a way to get jack out of his office.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 08, 2008, 12:16:15 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.





I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Neither can I.  Cheney and the CIA are probably tracking you on the intraweb now, as we speak.   You may officially be declared a terrorist by days end.

I knew it!  :D
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: moyboy on May 23, 2008, 07:17:39 PM
If anything it reminded me of the Swan station 'beeping' sound that eminated from the computer informing the Losties that the timer was running.

yup, me too. seems to me that the smoke alarm beeping was sped up for purposes of the show from what it would have been in real life (so that it beeped a few times in the scene rather than once every 45 seconds or whatever it would have done in real life). when they sped it up, they made it very near in tempo to the beeps of the original hatches countdown timer....
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: Asmodean on May 24, 2008, 12:50:49 AM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.


I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Neither can I.  Cheney and the CIA are probably tracking you on the intraweb now, as we speak.   You may officially be declared a terrorist by days end.

I knew it!  :D

They are.  I've still got clearance.  You're top 100!
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: laklost on May 25, 2008, 08:47:47 PM
I do.  I am an Amish pyro witch.


I can't believe I just typed that!  :D
Neither can I.  Cheney and the CIA are probably tracking you on the intraweb now, as we speak.   You may officially be declared a terrorist by days end.

I knew it!  :D

They are.  I've still got clearance.  You're top 100!

Does that make me Han Solo and you Boba Fett?
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: MangoBingo on February 04, 2010, 07:37:41 PM
So has Smokey manifested off-Island or hasn't he?
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 22, 2010, 03:20:07 PM
So has Smokey manifested off-Island or hasn't he?
That's an excellent question.  It seems to me that whenever Jacob wanted to communicate, he did so himself (or had his team members, like Bram, do it).  Can we then assume that all other appearances of the deceased (Charlie, AnaL, Christian, etc.) were Smokey?
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: JBRam on March 19, 2010, 08:19:44 PM
So has Smokey manifested off-Island or hasn't he?
That's an excellent question.  It seems to me that whenever Jacob wanted to communicate, he did so himself (or had his team members, like Bram, do it).  Can we then assume that all other appearances of the deceased (Charlie, AnaL, Christian, etc.) were Smokey?
I vote that Smokey has not gone off-island, partially because that's the thing he really wants to do.
Title: Re: Smoke Alarm = Smokey
Post by: opgelost on March 20, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
I vote that he can leave the island, but even there he doesn't find what he is looking for.
He needs another chain of events, another outcome of history, people to make different choices to be home.