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Title: Christian is back.....
Post by: LostinLock on May 01, 2008, 11:50:28 PM
Visting both of the children way in advance of Dad's day. 
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Post by: Writers_Strike on May 02, 2008, 12:07:05 AM
Is he alive or just a Ghost to the "dead"? I vote alive as I always have.
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Post by: miketrapasso on May 02, 2008, 12:09:24 AM
Notice that he was wearing his spiffy white tennis shoes when Jack saw him. 
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Post by: Folly529 on May 02, 2008, 12:09:39 AM
Are those two choices our only options?  It seems like there might be something other than straight up dead or alive.
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Post by: LouE68 on May 02, 2008, 12:11:38 AM
Is it smoky? or an apparition/ghost? TPTB have said before some are ghosts/apparitions...
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Post by: Point Place WI on May 02, 2008, 12:20:11 AM
Here we go again.  I'm saying he died long ago.  If he is alive he has some magic white running shoes that give him lightening fast speed to hide.  If he was alive he would confront people instead of just taunt them and disappear. 
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Post by: MichiganFan on May 02, 2008, 12:21:42 AM
He's as dead as Charlie. Dead.
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Post by: JBRam on May 02, 2008, 12:23:06 AM
He's dead.

Note that Miles sees ghosts.
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Post by: losttill0208 on May 02, 2008, 12:23:18 AM
How was he holding Aaron?
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Post by: red255 on May 02, 2008, 12:23:37 AM
did anyone notice how he was wearing the suit and sneakers when he visited Jack (off the Island) but wasn't wearing it when he was holding Aron on the Island)? When he was holding Aron was the fist time we have seen him on the Island in something other than what he was buried in!just thought that was interesting!
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Post by: Writers_Strike on May 02, 2008, 12:24:13 AM
Well the female doc looked like she saw him too, IMHO
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Post by: LouE68 on May 02, 2008, 12:24:30 AM
he's an apparition i tell you....
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Post by: Point Place WI on May 02, 2008, 12:25:20 AM
Maybe Jacob picks out his wardrobe
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Post by: SQUIRT199 on May 02, 2008, 12:26:07 AM
Well the female doc looked like she saw him too, IMHO

I dont think so because she never questioned how  he magically disappeared.
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Post by: tonysee200x on May 02, 2008, 12:27:07 AM
Remember in Season 1 when the big theory was they were really dead and the island was purgatory??

Well, the new theory is -- when the six "got off the island", they are now dead and in purgatory. I mean it would explain Christian, Charlie and a bunch of strange stuff we have seen in the Flash Forwards (Ben teleporting for example)
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Post by: Writers_Strike on May 02, 2008, 12:28:34 AM
I think it's a good theory except for Ben having a part in it.
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Post by: LouE68 on May 02, 2008, 12:29:27 AM
well on that tought about getting off island, there is the theory of everyone that does leave getting all they wanted...
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Post by: TvFantic on May 02, 2008, 12:33:03 AM
I'm back on the purgatory wagon too.  I'm just not sure how all the pieces fit.  But I believe again they are all dead.  If it's not that it has the Jason and the argonots (sp?) feel where there are gods playing a game of risk.
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Post by: tonysee200x on May 02, 2008, 12:36:36 AM
Maybe the island is the "Gateway" between purgatory and the real world -- it is a place were both dead and living can be -- Jacob controlls who goes to either side -- oh and it messes up time going to the gateway?............... Never mind I don't know
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Post by: Writers_Strike on May 02, 2008, 12:37:30 AM
Well now that I think of it, We still have 1.25 seasons left. Why would the producers reveal their hand for even the casual watcher to catch. When has this show given us an answer that far in advance. Too deliberate.
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Post by: Lion of Atreides on May 02, 2008, 01:38:00 AM
Well now that I think of it, We still have 1.25 seasons left. Why would the producers reveal their hand for even the casual watcher to catch. When has this show given us an answer that far in advance. Too deliberate.

Gonna be 6 seasons, so that's 2.25 seasons of the best show ever remaining.
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Post by: Lion of Atreides on May 02, 2008, 01:42:11 AM
I think Christian is dead, along with Charlie, and they're apparitions sent out to guide the O6 back to the Island.  Whether or not the island is Purgatory, they weren't supposed to leave the island when or how they did.  The timeline is out of whack, and to snap back into place, the O6 must return to the island to be a part of whatever's gonna go down at the end of season 6.
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Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 01:53:49 AM
I think when the smoke alarm went off, the writers were telling us that this was a manifestation of Smokie or whatever makes you see the dead people.
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Post by: Maxor127 on May 02, 2008, 01:59:08 AM
That's a cool thought, but wasn't the smoke alarm just running low on a battery?  So it really had nothing to do with detecting smoke.
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Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 02:01:29 AM
Could have been eather,  he just simply took it out and it stopped working so I dont know.   I know when mine go out that they just beep every minute or so, the one on the show beeped alot
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Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 02:19:45 AM
did anyone notice how he was wearing the suit and sneakers when he visited Jack (off the Island) but wasn't wearing it when he was holding Aron on the Island)? When he was holding Aron was the fist time we have seen him on the Island in something other than what he was buried in!just thought that was interesting!

I just noticed this by looking at the screen cap posted on the front page.  Im going to watch par avion and see if he was wearing this outfit when he was talking to Claire.
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Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 02:35:28 AM
Ok sorry for all the posting but Just want to show you guys something I found

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/drumn4life0789/christian.jpg)

This is Christian in Par Avion,  When Claire walked in the room to see her mom.

(http://lost.cubit.net/s4inv/4x10_christianShepard.jpg)

This is Christian in this episode when Claire saw him in the Jungle.

So I say since this is how she saw him this is how she remembers his clothes being, this is how she sees him on the island.  Even though later on in Par Avion he was wearing the full suit as well.   

THOUGHTS?????
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Post by: Maxor127 on May 02, 2008, 02:46:16 AM
Doesn't look like the same outfit to me, but it's hard to tell with the darkness and firelight.  But the tie doesn't look dark enough.
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Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 02:48:12 AM
yea i know.  But seems odd that his jacket would be off
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Post by: WhatThe on May 02, 2008, 03:29:18 AM
How was he holding Aaron?

The same way Charlie was able to hit/slap Hurley to prove he was really there lol...
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Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on May 02, 2008, 03:33:46 AM
I just posted a poll (Christian Poll) to see where you guys stand on this matter in handy percentages
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Post by: Sunflower on May 02, 2008, 03:57:38 AM
Ok sorry for all the posting but Just want to show you guys something I found

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/drumn4life0789/christian.jpg)

This is Christian in Par Avion,  When Claire walked in the room to see her mom.

(http://lost.cubit.net/s4inv/4x10_christianShepard.jpg)

This is Christian in this episode when Claire saw him in the Jungle.

So I say since this is how she saw him this is how she remembers his clothes being, this is how she sees him on the island.  Even though later on in Par Avion he was wearing the full suit as well.  

THOUGHTS?????
I like this and agree.  Well, at least that the way they see the apparitions are how they remember them.

Will Miles somehow be the link to reveal the relationship between Jack and Claire?
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Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 04:25:11 AM
I think he will. 

He says he saw her walk off into the jungle with him so im sure he heard her say  DAD.  Maybe he will bring it up and they will find out what he looks like or something
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Post by: Maxor127 on May 02, 2008, 05:06:41 AM
Why would Christian changes clothes just for her?  He wore the same clothes for Jack, Vincent, and Hurley.
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Post by: WhatThe on May 02, 2008, 07:36:44 AM
Why would Christian changes clothes just for her?  He wore the same clothes for Jack, Vincent, and Hurley.

When did Hurley and Vincent see Christian? I don't remember that...
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Post by: red255 on May 02, 2008, 08:34:49 AM
I think he will. 

He says he saw her walk off into the jungle with him so im sure he heard her say  DAD.  Maybe he will bring it up and they will find out what he looks like or something

I believe he said she walked off into the jungle and he heard her call someone dad. He never really said he saw Christian. Maybe Miles can only hear voices, or talk to the dead?
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Post by: LostAndSeek on May 02, 2008, 12:54:06 PM
Vincent saw Christian in one of the missing pieces episodes. Hurley saw Christian in Jacob's cabin.

The Christian on the Island seems corporeal, can hold Aaron, multiple people have seen him. For the moment I'm thinkin' the Christian in LA was a guilt induced delusion. Only Jack can see him, and he disappears instantly.
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Post by: miketrapasso on May 02, 2008, 03:52:56 PM
Did anyone else think that Christian seemed to get nervous when he heard someone else walking up behind Jack, like he was going to get caught?
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Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
The really interesting thing to me is that Miles didn't seem to think that Christian was dead.  Or else, they just didn't let us know what he thought...
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Post by: KoKoNut on May 02, 2008, 04:06:51 PM
Here's a thought...maybe they (Christian, Charlie, etc) aren't ghosts at all...and not physical presenses but familiar images of people who have died that the island (or Jacob) uses to communicate with a chosen living person. 

OMG that makes no sense, does it?  :( 
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Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 04:08:16 PM
Actually, dear KoKoNut, that idea is floating around.  :D I prefer to think that they are corporeal and free to roam between this life and a constructed afterlife.
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Post by: KoKoNut on May 02, 2008, 05:15:53 PM
Actually, dear KoKoNut, that idea is floating around.  :D I prefer to think that they are corporeal and free to roam between this life and a constructed afterlife.

I'm glad you understood me Laklost! :)  Sometimes I think I'm just babbling to myself. (I wonder if there's room for one more at Hurley's Mental Hotel. D'oh!!!!)  :D
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Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
Babble away.  How do you think people on here get more than 1,000 posts?   :D
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Post by: KoKoNut on May 02, 2008, 05:18:27 PM
Babble away.  How do you think people on here get more than 1,000 posts?   :D

ROFL!!!! Thank you for the secret of the LOST Boards!!! Who'd a thought!!! Babbling is actually a good thing here!!! Hee hee!  :D
Title: Re: Christian is back.....
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 05:20:45 PM
You didn't honestly think people get high post counts by being intelligent, did you?   Roll through some of our posts.  Count the number of times you find posts like this, "Doh," "I'm sayin'" and "In bed."  If you got rid of all those, SWLS might start teetering.  :D
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Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on May 02, 2008, 05:21:11 PM
Christian is JESUS!
And on the third day he rose again......
I think JACOB can bring back anyone he deems worthy.
I thought that when christian appeared he looked to be wearing clothing similar to the HOSTILES and not the OTHERS. It looked to be worn an a bit tathered.
IMO I think JACOB can bring anyone back that's worthy. "LONG LIVE PATCHY!

Might even get to see Mrs. B again..........
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Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 05:22:36 PM
Christian is like Jesus, not the same.  A Christ figure though, definitely.  And the name wasn't a dead giveaway to us on this?  :D
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Post by: T Mack on May 02, 2008, 05:41:27 PM
You didn't honestly think people get high post counts by being intelligent, did you?   Roll through some of our posts.  Count the number of times you find posts like this, "Doh," "I'm sayin'" and "In bed."  If you got rid of all those, SWLS might start teetering.  :D
LOL
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Post by: nomteticus on May 02, 2008, 08:59:52 PM
Christian is Jack's Mrs. Hawking, as is Charlie to Hurley... telling them to undo the error. Noone except the island protectors (Ben & cru) must leave the island.
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Post by: Writers_Strike on May 03, 2008, 05:53:33 AM
Christian is Jack's Mrs. Hawking, as is Charlie to Hurley... telling them to undo the error. Noone except the island protectors (Ben & cru) must leave the island.

Thats funny cause Jack's female Doc friend's name was Darcy Hawkins in the ill fated show Jericho. A show so good it was cancled twice.
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Post by: Point Place WI on May 05, 2008, 12:42:06 PM
You didn't honestly think people get high post counts by being intelligent, did you?   Roll through some of our posts.  Count the number of times you find posts like this, "Doh," "I'm sayin'" and "In bed."  If you got rid of all those, SWLS might start teetering.  :D
LOL
double LOL
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Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 04:59:35 PM
Babble away.  How do you think people on here get more than 1,000 posts?   :D

ROFL!!!! Thank you for the secret of the LOST Boards!!! Who'd a thought!!! Babbling is actually a good thing here!!! Hee hee!  :D
Shhhh! Don't tell anyone!

(Come visit us in the Community Lounge for more silliness ;) )
You didn't honestly think people get high post counts by being intelligent, did you?   Roll through some of our posts.  Count the number of times you find posts like this, "Doh," "I'm sayin'" and "In bed."  If you got rid of all those, SWLS might start teetering.  :D
LOL
double LOL
You better not get rid of my in bed jokes. I worked hard to get this many posts. I don't want to go back to 3 posts!
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Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 05:22:53 PM
Oh, JB, don't be so hard on yourself.  You have lots more intelligent posts than that. (I think... ;))
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Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 05:31:48 PM
Oh, JB, don't be so hard on yourself.  You have lots more intelligent posts than that. (I think... ;))
Ok, I'd have 6 left then. :D
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Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 05:33:12 PM
See.  You're not as bad as off as we you thought.
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Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 05:34:42 PM
See.  You're not as bad as off as we you thought.
Do my Survivor posts count as drivel? Cause if they don't I might have 40 posts left to me. I could at least still PM then...
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Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 05:35:55 PM
Uh..........no comment?
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Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on May 08, 2008, 10:45:49 AM
Are those two choices our only options?  It seems like there might be something other than straight up dead or alive.
Totally agree! I'm certain there is a third option!!
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Post by: LostAndSeek on May 08, 2008, 02:07:35 PM
My take... Christian in the hospital (and Charlie) are either both guilt induced delusions or both traditional ghosts. I still lean towards the former as we know Hurley had quite real seeming imaginary friends before, and Jack is already drinking. But we know via Miles that ghosts are real in Lost, so that's a reasonable possibility too. Also, I think this is what Lakkie believes, so it's probability goes way up. Either way these appear to be noncorporeal and invisible to most people.

I'm convinced the Christian on the Island (and Yemi, and probably Kate's horse and Goodspeed, and maybe even Ghost/Tall Walt) are something different. They appear to be corporeal, visible to all in the neighborhood. And except for Walt, whatever's running them needs a body to work with.
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Post by: laklost on May 08, 2008, 03:39:15 PM
My take... Christian in the hospital (and Charlie) are either both guilt induced delusions or both traditional ghosts. I still lean towards the former as we know Hurley had quite real seeming imaginary friends before, and Jack is already drinking. But we know via Miles that ghosts are real in Lost, so that's a reasonable possibility too. Also, I think this is what Lakkie believes, so it's probability goes way up. Either way these appear to be noncorporeal and invisible to most people.

I'm convinced the Christian on the Island (and Yemi, and probably Kate's horse and Goodspeed, and maybe even Ghost/Tall Walt) are something different. They appear to be corporeal, visible to all in the neighborhood. And except for Walt, whatever's running them needs a body to work with.

You know, next to my "they are all alive in some hitherto unexplained way" this is my second favorite take on it.  :D