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Title: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostinLock on May 01, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
You are not suppose to raise him Jack. Well, isn't that interesting?

I wonder if Charlie is suppose to deliver messages to Hurley because of his seeing Jacob?

Chances are Jack is not going to raise Aaron
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 02, 2008, 12:09:51 AM
Chances are Jack is not going to raise Aaron

Yeah we saw it in S3 finale that they don't stay together.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: hyperform on May 02, 2008, 12:12:03 AM
not only that, apparently kate isnt talking to jack in the end of season 3, cuz the first thing he says to her on the phone is "don't hang up"
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Point Place WI on May 02, 2008, 12:14:18 AM
See what's lame about that is he could still marry Kate and not raise Aaron just give the sucker up for adoption or to Hurley. 
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: TvFantic on May 02, 2008, 12:15:42 AM
not only that, apparently kate isnt talking to jack in the end of season 3, cuz the first thing he says to her on the phone is "don't hang up"

Yeah, it sure looks like the break up came when he said he's not even related to you.  That's the ultimate no no with the kid in the room calling her mom.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Maxor127 on May 02, 2008, 12:32:17 AM
Well, I don't think Kate is supposed to raise him either.  So whether Jack is involved with the baby or not is irrelevant.  I guess this means Charlie isn't imaginary.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LouE68 on May 02, 2008, 01:07:06 AM
Did anyone notice also, when Hurley was by the window. the outside looked like the Barracks?
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Lion of Atreides on May 02, 2008, 01:13:14 AM
Yeah, kinda. Not like what the front lawn oughhta look like at night.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LouE68 on May 02, 2008, 01:14:42 AM
it was a good set up..he was talking about how he liked the island and it kinda of was a vision...that's why I don't like Hurley FF or FB...is he crazy or is it something significant LOL
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LouE68 on May 02, 2008, 01:22:37 AM
OK on second glance, it just could be the front of Santa Rosa...same colors and all, same set up...denghit :/
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 02, 2008, 02:00:35 AM
Also the way he said that he is not even related to you, sounded alot like he was rubbing it in her face that he is related to him.  So maybe sometime in the next couple of episodes Claire and Jack find out about there father.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: other on May 02, 2008, 05:14:13 AM
maybe Charlie's just jealous and not a clairvoyant ghost ? Or maybe Hurley wanted to make a point... I don't know, but I don't see why its wrong for Jack to raise Aaron.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Maxor127 on May 02, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
Because the psychic said that Claire should be the only one to raise that child and implied something bad would happen if she didn't.  Otherwise, she would've given him up for adoption.  And that's basically been the big running theme with Aaron.  They're bringing that theme back again.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: other on May 02, 2008, 05:34:43 AM
Nice! totally forgot about that, Jack's reluctance makes sense now
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 02, 2008, 06:20:31 AM
Because the psychic said that Claire should be the only one to raise that child and implied something bad would happen if she didn't.  Otherwise, she would've given him up for adoption.  And that's basically been the big running theme with Aaron.  They're bringing that theme back again.

Actually, the psychic said, and I quote, "your child should never be raised by another."  But did he say "another" or "an Other?"  You can't tell for sure and there was considerable debate about it here on SLWS when we first found out there were "TheOthers."

It begs the question, did Jack become an Other?  If the psychic meant "raised by another," why is Aaron with Kate?  Did Claire find out that Jack is really her brother, so she sent Aaron off to be with Jack and Kate because space on the rescue chopper was limited?  Or did Sawyer put  Aaron on the chopper with Kate?  I guess we'll find out soon enough.

On another note, I think Kate was talking to Cassidy, Sawyer's former girlfriend with whom he had Clementine, and that Kate probably promised Sawyer she'd look in on Clementine for him.

Thoughts?

Sweet Clementine Cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostinLock on May 02, 2008, 07:06:25 AM
Because the psychic said that Claire should be the only one to raise that child and implied something bad would happen if she didn't.  Otherwise, she would've given him up for adoption.  And that's basically been the big running theme with Aaron.  They're bringing that theme back again.

Actually, the psychic said, and I quote, "your child should never be raised by another."  But did he say "another" or "an Other?"  You can't tell for sure and there was considerable debate about it here on SLWS when we first found out there were "TheOthers."

It begs the question, did Jack become an Other?  If the psychic meant "raised by another," why is Aaron with Kate?  Did Claire find out that Jack is really her brother, so she sent Aaron off to be with Jack and Kate because space on the rescue chopper was limited?  Or did Sawyer put  Aaron on the chopper with Kate?  I guess we'll find out soon enough.

On another note, I think Kate was talking to Cassidy, Sawyer's former girlfriend with whom he had Clementine, and that Kate probably promised Sawyer she'd look in on Clementine for him.

Thoughts?

Sweet Clementine Cheers
*Des8

Yep this was all noted in other threads from last nights show. 

Hurley is the conduit for the messages from Charlie for multiple reasons and one he is open to that connection.  I don't believe that Kate, Jack, Sayid, Sun are capable of having those openings.  Jack doubts seeing Christian.  If Charlie came to Jack he would be popping more pills.

yes, we could interpret the another as an Other, but then one has me thinking of the Nicole Kidman movie the Others and I hope that we are not walking down that path.

The Others are clearly Ben's band of merry folk.  The Hostiles are suppose to be the original and I use that term lightly
inhabitants. I also say lightly because of all the originals the only one we know of is Richard at this point.

Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: lostieloo on May 02, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
I also wonder what happened to Desmond's flash that Claire was going to be on a helicopter.   ???
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: vickilynn on May 02, 2008, 09:53:35 AM
When Miles was looking at Claire and Aaron, I was hoping we were going to be clued in a bit as to Aaron. I was hoping he would say something about his future, past, status whatever!
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: lostieloo on May 02, 2008, 10:05:43 AM
That may yet be coming.  I hope they use Mile's character for more than just mini-Sawyer wise cracks, but that he gets to his ghost whispering.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: conway on May 02, 2008, 10:48:24 AM
It seems that contacting Cassidy about Clementine would be the only favor Sawyer would ask of Kate.  He indicated that he had nothing to return to so can't picture anything else he would ask of Kate.  Perhaps to give Cassidy more money to help support the baby. However it seems odd that Kate would not share that with Jack, should not be a threat in anyway to him.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 12:34:12 PM
It seems that contacting Cassidy about Clementine would be the only favor Sawyer would ask of Kate.  He indicated that he had nothing to return to so can't picture anything else he would ask of Kate.  Perhaps to give Cassidy more money to help support the baby. However it seems odd that Kate would not share that with Jack, should not be a threat in anyway to him.

I think the perceived threat that Jack sees was more along the lines of just plain Jealousy. Jack is already the jealous type, and the fact that this involves Kate (his "true love") and Sawyer (his "opposite"), just makes him angrier than it should.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Shakey on May 02, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
I believe the image of Charlie is the island's way of communicating with Charlie.  I also believe Christian will be the same to Jack at some point.  Charlie told Hurley that Jack will be visited by someone and he was visited by Christian (though it was cut short when they were interupted).  An additional wedge that can be added to the Jack & Kate relationship could be Christian telling Jack that Aaron is not supposed to be raised by either of them.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Floyd25 on May 02, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
It seems that contacting Cassidy about Clementine would be the only favor Sawyer would ask of Kate.  He indicated that he had nothing to return to so can't picture anything else he would ask of Kate.  Perhaps to give Cassidy more money to help support the baby. However it seems odd that Kate would not share that with Jack, should not be a threat in anyway to him.

I think the perceived threat that Jack sees was more along the lines of just plain Jealousy. Jack is already the jealous type, and the fact that this involves Kate (his "true love") and Sawyer (his "opposite"), just makes him angrier than it should.
Yep. It would be nice if Kate gave $ to Cassidy for Clementine BUT she should have to Jack.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: solost on May 02, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
Also the way he said that he is not even related to you, sounded alot like he was rubbing it in her face that he is related to him.  So maybe sometime in the next couple of episodes Claire and Jack find out about there father.
I agree....I got the same feeling.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: zeekloveslost on May 02, 2008, 02:12:49 PM
I also wonder what happened to Desmond's flash that Claire was going to be on a helicopter.   ???

Perhaps she does get on the helicopter, but falls out and dies. Ya know, not to depress anyone.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: T Mack on May 02, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
I believe the image of Charlie is the island's way of communicating with Charlie.  I also believe Christian will be the same to Jack at some point.  Charlie told Hurley that Jack will be visited by someone and he was visited by Christian (though it was cut short when they were interupted).  An additional wedge that can be added to the Jack & Kate relationship could be Christian telling Jack that Aaron is not supposed to be raised by either of them.
I believe this will come to fruition.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Petey on May 02, 2008, 02:21:33 PM
I also wonder what happened to Desmond's flash that Claire was going to be on a helicopter.   ???

Perhaps she does get on the helicopter, but falls out and dies. Ya know, not to depress anyone.

I really thought Des made that up to get Charlie to do what at the time he thought he had to do.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
I don't think that Kate would be meeting up with Cassidy to give her money, and if she was, why would she be staying for an hour?? Lets face the facts here. Kate is in love with Jack and Sawyer, but she obviously feels something stronger with Jack, which is why she is with him. Sawyer has feelings for Cassidy, but I don't think he even knows about the daughter (am I remembering that wrong??). Now, the thing that makes me think that she wouldn't be meeting her is that BECAUSE kate loves Sawyer, she wouldn't want to meet with the woman that Sawyer loves.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 02, 2008, 03:13:14 PM
I reckon Sawyer asked Kate to just check in with Cassidy and Clementine to see if there's anything they need and, who knows, maybe he gave her a message for his daughter.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 04:04:30 PM
The only thing I don't get about that though is that aren't Cassidy and Clementine in New Mexico?  Did Kate just leave for the day and drive from LA?  Huh?

The point about the theme of Aaron's existence being that he needs his Mum is just beautiful.  And if the Oceanic 6 all have to go back, children included, that will jsut be awesome.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 04:23:09 PM
I reckon Sawyer asked Kate to just check in with Cassidy and Clementine to see if there's anything they need and, who knows, maybe he gave her a message for his daughter.

But my question still stands, does Sawyer even know if he has a dughter??
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 04:23:56 PM
Oh yeah, baby, don't you remember last season, Cassie came to prison and told him, and he put all his find money in her account?
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 04:26:18 PM
Oh yeah, baby, don't you remember last season, Cassie came to prison and told him, and he put all his find money in her account?

That's right. Totally spaced. Thanks LL, where would I be without you??
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 04:27:03 PM
Um...in a far better place with many more answers?!  ;)
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 04:28:28 PM
Um...in a far better place with many more answers?!  ;)

Maybe in a better place, but deffinitely w/o the answers.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 04:29:56 PM
You have come to the top of the mountain and found me Laklost, the lady who has watched every episode of Lost numerous times.  My wisdom is only valuable here and to seekers like you.

In th rest of the world, I's a geek!  :D
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
You have come to the top of the mountain and found me Laklost, the lady who has watched every episode of Lost numerous times.  My wisdom is only valuable here and to seekers like you.

In th rest of the world, I's a geek!  :D

I feel your pain.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 04:37:23 PM
You have come to the top of the mountain and found me Laklost, the lady who has watched every episode of Lost numerous times.  My wisdom is only valuable here and to seekers like you.

In th rest of the world, I's a geek!  :D

I feel your pain.

Thank you.  I'm laughing right now, you know.  :D
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 02, 2008, 06:12:02 PM
The only thing I don't get about that though is that aren't Cassidy and Clementine in New Mexico?  Did Kate just leave for the day and drive from LA?  Huh?

Well,they could have moved in the intervening time, but I was thinking they (or at least Cassidy) came to Kate. If we're on the right track, you'd think we'd've seen this scene. How did they react when they realized they'd met before? Another victim of the strike? Or are we just on the wrong track altogether. Or was Kate just hiring someone to track down the two of them?
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 02, 2008, 06:19:43 PM
The only thing I don't get about that though is that aren't Cassidy and Clementine in New Mexico?  Did Kate just leave for the day and drive from LA?  Huh?

Well,they could have moved in the intervening time, but I was thinking they (or at least Cassidy) came to Kate. If we're on the right track, you'd think we'd've seen this scene. How did they react when they realized they'd met before? Another victim of the strike? Or are we just on the wrong track altogether. Or was Kate just hiring someone to track down the two of them?

Probably a victim of the strike.  I would have liked seeing the Cassidy/Kate scene, myself.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: hatch4815162342 on May 02, 2008, 08:32:09 PM
charlies the islands messenger boy(hehehehee)
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: GUTZandRAGE on May 02, 2008, 08:59:11 PM
Just to make sure I remember this correctly...

The psychic who had told Claire the child must not be raised by another, and then punked her into getting on the doomed airplane, he was a fraud, right? Was this established in the Eko flashback or was that another bit of misdirection? I can't remember all that well.

The whole Aaron thing is just so damn bizarre. If he's supposed to be raised by good people why is he with Kate? She's a lot of things, good people ain't one of them. What is up with Claire just walking away into the jungle? This all seems so out of place, so out of focus. This season has been great to some extent, things are finally moving forward, but at the same time, I feel the pace and the flow of the show has been disrupted, and not for the best.

I really hope they know what they are doing, but I have this terrible feeling that things are going to get out of control very very soon. The Shape of Things to Come might be seen as a bad omen a few weeks from now.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 02, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
The psychic said he was a fraud in an Eko flash, but he could have been lying 'cause he didn't want Eko investigating his daughter. The daughter then tracked Eko to the airport and gave him what might have been a legitimate message from Yemi. Hard to see what motive she'd have to do this if she's not sincere. So it's hard to say just how much talent might run in that family.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Asmodean on May 02, 2008, 10:54:05 PM
Ironic that the fake psychic was telling the fake priest anything.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 02, 2008, 11:06:52 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on May 03, 2008, 01:07:59 AM
You have come to the top of the mountain and found me Laklost, the lady who has watched every episode of Lost numerous times.  My wisdom is only valuable here and to seekers like you.

In th rest of the world, I's a geek!  :D

"I climbed the highest of the heights.
Atop that mountain I watched the day turn into night.
Oh I tell you I was a wretched sight,
But I stood long and hard until the light.
Rubbing needles in my eyes, eating dirt.

I stood up, and everything was all-right."




L&S, think we did lose something b/c of the strike...am thinking Kate was out hiring someone to find them...check on 'em.

What was the name of the woman she told Jack she was talking to?
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Maxor127 on May 03, 2008, 05:58:22 AM
At the time, I thought Cassidy was conning Sawyer when she told him about having a daughter.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 03, 2008, 10:05:18 AM
Stagger, she said it was Noreen from the park where Aaron plays. Likely no truth in that.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on May 03, 2008, 10:42:43 AM
chasin' down leads like a blind bird dog, I am...nothin' there then....
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 03, 2008, 01:28:56 PM
You have come to the top of the mountain and found me Laklost, the lady who has watched every episode of Lost numerous times.  My wisdom is only valuable here and to seekers like you.

In th rest of the world, I's a geek!  :D

"I climbed the highest of the heights.
Atop that mountain I watched the day turn into night.
Oh I tell you I was a wretched sight,
But I stood long and hard until the light.
Rubbing needles in my eyes, eating dirt.

I stood up, and everything was all-right."




L&S, think we did lose something b/c of the strike...am thinking Kate was out hiring someone to find them...check on 'em.

What was the name of the woman she told Jack she was talking to?

Did you make up that song? (Just cause there are no footnote references.  :D) Dang, you're good.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostinLock on May 03, 2008, 06:24:16 PM
So class let's review this...

Sawyer has a daughter, he knows about her and she is not on the island and alive
We suspect that Kate is off helping them out or seeking them out as he had the fatherhood epiphany when he was with Aaron.

Charlie tells Jack he is not suppose to raise Aaron.  This goes back to the fake psychic speaking to the phony priest. 

We all know that Claire saw the psychic and she believed him, ah she has faith in his words.

So why is Charlie telling this to Jack through Hurley.    Is this his way of getting them back to the island?  Is this the seed that Jack's already failing psyche needs to make him a man of faith?

I may be reading into this way to deep, but Charlie is speaking through someone who believes.  As for the state of Hurley...well that is another thread.

Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on May 03, 2008, 07:57:59 PM
You have come to the top of the mountain and found me Laklost, the lady who has watched every episode of Lost numerous times.  My wisdom is only valuable here and to seekers like you.

In th rest of the world, I's a geek!  :D

"I climbed the highest of the heights.
Atop that mountain I watched the day turn into night.
Oh I tell you I was a wretched sight,
But I stood long and hard until the light.
Rubbing needles in my eyes, eating dirt.

I stood up, and everything was all-right."




L&S, think we did lose something b/c of the strike...am thinking Kate was out hiring someone to find them...check on 'em.

What was the name of the woman she told Jack she was talking to?

Did you make up that song? (Just cause there are no footnote references.  :D) Dang, you're good.


no, no, not I  but the inimitable Neil Fallon...
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 04, 2008, 04:19:07 AM
Also the way he said that he is not even related to you, sounded alot like he was rubbing it in her face that he is related to him.  So maybe sometime in the next couple of episodes Claire and Jack find out about there father.
Agreed.  This also explains why Kate told Jack that she understood why he didn't want to see the baby ("Eggtown").  Jack doesn't handle reality very well, so I can see how finding out that he's Aaron's uncle might take some getting used to.

I believe the image of Charlie is the island's way of communicating with Charlie. I'm assuming you mean "Hurley" here.  I also believe Christian will be the same to Jack at some point.  Charlie told Hurley that Jack will be visited by someone and he was visited by Christian (though it was cut short when they were interupted).  An additional wedge that can be added to the Jack & Kate relationship could be Christian telling Jack that Aaron is not supposed to be raised by either of them.
I agree.  I'm not sold on the idea that ALL of the O-6 have to go back, but I'm starting to see motive for some of them.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: opgelost on May 04, 2008, 08:55:35 AM
Quote
Charlie tells Jack he is not suppose to raise Aaron.  This goes back to the fake psychic speaking to the phony priest.

The man also said that there was a nice couple in LA that would take good care of Aaron.
Maybe Aaron is in danger and the 6 have to leave the island to save him.
Jack and Kate taking care of him, Saiyd protecting them, Hurley staying in touch with the island through Charlie.
And now they have to go back, because they were only supposed to take care of Aaron, not to raise him.


Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2008, 10:43:31 AM
So why is Charlie telling this to Jack through Hurley...I may be reading into this way to deep, but Charlie is speaking through someone who believes. 

I took that whole thing to mean that Only certain people can talk directly other people. Sort of like Jacob. But Charlie talks to Hurley, Christian talks to (or will talk to, depending) Jack, I bet that later on IF we see Sayid freaking out, it will be because of Shannon coming to him and giving him grief about him marrying Nadia. As for the rest of them, well, I'm not quite sure, because we don't know who is deffinitely dead or not.

The man also said that there was a nice couple in LA that would take good care of Aaron.

Aren't Jack and Kate living in LA?? Perhaps he had more foresight than even he thought. I thought that Charlie telling Jack that he wasn't suppossed to raise "him" (Aaron) was kind of a jealousy thing more than anything else.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on May 05, 2008, 10:51:50 AM
Hurley's turn as Mercury the Messenger, him being channellor of the the isle may have something to do with his visit to the cabin...the isle finding him to be the easiest to speak through...
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 05, 2008, 03:18:34 PM

The man also said that there was a nice couple in LA that would take good care of Aaron.

Aren't Jack and Kate living in LA?? Perhaps he had more foresight than even he thought. I thought that Charlie telling Jack that he wasn't suppossed to raise "him" (Aaron) was kind of a jealousy thing more than anything else.

Now that's an interesting thought. Get on this plane and you'll meet the nice couple who'll raise your son in LA.  ;)
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on May 05, 2008, 03:29:14 PM
That idea's got glitter and sparklers on it!

Fits with the "time is circular" as the Aboriginals belief set lays, and the Australia is the "key" comment...

somewhere therein lies something worth something, just gotta keep panning in the stream, something'll catch the mind's eye...
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: lostieloo on May 05, 2008, 07:53:07 PM
Never thought of that.  I likes!
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostinLock on May 05, 2008, 10:32:38 PM
The man also said that there was a nice couple in LA that would take good care of Aaron.

Aren't Jack and Kate living in LA?? Perhaps he had more foresight than even he thought. I thought that Charlie telling Jack that he wasn't supposed to raise "him" (Aaron) was kind of a jealousy thing more than anything else.
OOOoooOoOOOOOoooOOoooohhh....I like it.

That doesn't work as Jack and Kate are not a couple.  Nor will they be a couple as he has to many issues and after what he said to Kate do you really think that they will walk down that path again.
If we recall the when Kate meets the bearded, hooked on booze and drugged Jack who flies a similar flight to go back to the island.  He even asks her to not to hang up when he calls her, to discuss the person in the coffin.

I don't believe there is a jealousy motive here either.  Charlie is an envoy, he has been trying to get to him since he appeared to him in the convenience store, then the police station, then he appears to Hurley on the grounds of Santa Rosa Hospital. Hurley actually has a dialogue with Charlie and again Charlie tells him that they need him.

Which could be the reason Abbadon comes to Hurley and asks if they are alive, but that is another thread and I don't want to pollute this with that rat hole.

Charlie is not a jealous spector he is a messanger for the island.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 06, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
The man also said that there was a nice couple in LA that would take good care of Aaron.

Aren't Jack and Kate living in LA?? Perhaps he had more foresight than even he thought. I thought that Charlie telling Jack that he wasn't supposed to raise "him" (Aaron) was kind of a jealousy thing more than anything else.
OOOoooOoOOOOOoooOOoooohhh....I like it.

That doesn't work as Jack and Kate are not a couple.  Nor will they be a couple as he has to many issues and after what he said to Kate do you really think that they will walk down that path again.
If we recall the when Kate meets the bearded, hooked on booze and drugged Jack who flies a similar flight to go back to the island.  He even asks her to not to hang up when he calls her, to discuss the person in the coffin.

I don't believe there is a jealousy motive here either.  Charlie is an envoy, he has been trying to get to him since he appeared to him in the convenience store, then the police station, then he appears to Hurley on the grounds of Santa Rosa Hospital. Hurley actually has a dialogue with Charlie and again Charlie tells him that they need him.

Which could be the reason Abbadon comes to Hurley and asks if they are alive, but that is another thread and I don't want to pollute this with that rat hole.

Charlie is not a jealous spector he is a messanger for the island.


Wasn't trying to imply that was Charlie's only motive, just saying that Charlie actually is Charlie, and not some manifestation of smokey or some psychic vision. As for Jack and Kate, according to the flash forward I saw last Thursday, they most certainly were a couple. Sure, in the FF we saw at the end of season 3 Jack was a waste and Kate wanted to have almost nothing to do with him, but who is to say that later on he doesn't clean himself up??
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: LostinLock on May 06, 2008, 01:49:44 PM
The man also said that there was a nice couple in LA that would take good care of Aaron.

Aren't Jack and Kate living in LA?? Perhaps he had more foresight than even he thought. I thought that Charlie telling Jack that he wasn't supposed to raise "him" (Aaron) was kind of a jealousy thing more than anything else.
OOOoooOoOOOOOoooOOoooohhh....I like it.

That doesn't work as Jack and Kate are not a couple.  Nor will they be a couple as he has to many issues and after what he said to Kate do you really think that they will walk down that path again.
If we recall the when Kate meets the bearded, hooked on booze and drugged Jack who flies a similar flight to go back to the island.  He even asks her to not to hang up when he calls her, to discuss the person in the coffin.

I don't believe there is a jealousy motive here either.  Charlie is an envoy, he has been trying to get to him since he appeared to him in the convenience store, then the police station, then he appears to Hurley on the grounds of Santa Rosa Hospital. Hurley actually has a dialogue with Charlie and again Charlie tells him that they need him.

Which could be the reason Abbadon comes to Hurley and asks if they are alive, but that is another thread and I don't want to pollute this with that rat hole.

Charlie is not a jealous spector he is a messanger for the island.


Wasn't trying to imply that was Charlie's only motive, just saying that Charlie actually is Charlie, and not some manifestation of smokey or some psychic vision. As for Jack and Kate, according to the flash forward I saw last Thursday, they most certainly were a couple. Sure, in the FF we saw at the end of season 3 Jack was a waste and Kate wanted to have almost nothing to do with him, but who is to say that later on he doesn't clean himself up??

My point is based on what we are seeing right now they are not the couple raising him.  My instinct also says that they are not the couple raising him.
I could speculate on JacknKate, but I am not going there.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 06, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
My point is based on what we are seeing right now they are not the couple raising him.  My instinct also says that they are not the couple raising him.
I could speculate on JacknKate, but I am not going there.

If your point is based on what we are seeing, then what are you watching?? Jack and Kate had obviously been together for a little while, and then Jack asked her to marry him. If that isn't a couple, then what is?? They were both actively bringing up Aaron at the same time, so where are you getting your theory from?? Not trying to start an arguement, just honestly trying to understand your POV. And like you and I both said, yes, they are obviously broken up much later, but if you're not going to speculate as to the fate of the characters, what's the point of posting on the site at all??
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 05:01:13 PM
I agree with Lili to the point that Jack and Kate won't be a couple for long... I'm pretty sure they broke up within days of the end of this epi's FFW.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 05:21:58 PM
What was the point of showing them in 3x22?  What was the point of 4x10?
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 05:31:26 PM
What was the point of showing them in 3x22?  What was the point of 4x10?
I'm still actually looking for the point in 4x10. See my rating of this episode for more explanation on that one.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 05:32:42 PM
I saw your rating.  Why did you think in the section of the season that is supposed to be condensed, highly consequential material they told this story?  Look beyond what you do or don't like for five minutes, and tell me what you come up with.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 05:33:00 PM
What was the point of showing them in 3x22?  What was the point of 4x10?
I'm still actually looking for the point in 4x10. See my rating of this episode for more explanation on that one.
To reiterate my post earlier, I think that Jack and Kate are doomed off-island, but if they return to the island, there's definitely a chance for Jack to man up again and win Kate back.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: JBRam on May 06, 2008, 05:34:04 PM
I saw your rating.  Why did you think in the section of the season that is supposed to be condensed, highly consequential material they told this story?  Look beyond what you do or don't like for five minutes, and tell me what you come up with.
I think one of the main reasons they told this story was to appeal to the people who are only about the Skate/Jate relationships. Seriously. They have a large audience there and they are going to capitalize on it. I just wish they wouldn't.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: laklost on May 06, 2008, 05:34:36 PM
I saw your rating.  Why did you think in the section of the season that is supposed to be condensed, highly consequential material they told this story?  Look beyond what you do or don't like for five minutes, and tell me what you come up with.
I think one of the main reasons they told this story was to appeal to the people who are only about the Skate/Jate relationships. Seriously. They have a large audience there and they are going to capitalize on it. I just wish they wouldn't.

I think you are 5,000% wrong.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: jugdish on May 06, 2008, 11:43:14 PM
I saw your rating.  Why did you think in the section of the season that is supposed to be condensed, highly consequential material they told this story?  Look beyond what you do or don't like for five minutes, and tell me what you come up with.
I think one of the main reasons they told this story was to appeal to the people who are only about the Skate/Jate relationships. Seriously. They have a large audience there and they are going to capitalize on it. I just wish they wouldn't.

I think you are 5,000% wrong.

I agree with Laklost
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Staggerlee on May 07, 2008, 12:42:08 AM
I think you are 5,000% wrong.


5,000%3


There ain't no McSmokey here, the "romance" as it is, is a plot device....sure there are some who follow the romantic stuff on the show...some wish for certain hook ups, is a ntural parallel, but their screwed up relationship exists to tell us about them and their character (traits)...otherwise we'd just get some kind of screen test shot of them sitting on a folding chair in a Paneled room with old olive green carpet reading reading cue cards out of the camera shot, though we can see their eyes move...
"I'm a guy whose priorities are skewed *cut to Kate* I am a woman whose had relationship issues in my life, familial, platonic and romantic *cut to scene of smokey failing to kill a merc* I am Sawyer, a con man, I have issues too." and on and on and on...ad infinitum...

Makes for one heckuva lame show....
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2008, 09:59:19 AM
But I would still totally watch that.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: Gizmogrl83 on May 07, 2008, 12:37:56 PM
Bob, I like the idea of charlie just being jealous, very good observation  ;).  And I KNOW you would watch the show if there were no relationships because Kate + Jack, Kate + Sawyer, Kate + ANYONE would make you sick to your stomach to watch.  Scratch that, just no KATE relationships, lol.
Title: Re: - A message from Charlie
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2008, 01:03:30 PM
Bob, I like the idea of charlie just being jealous, very good observation  ;).  And I KNOW you would watch the show if there were no relationships because Kate + Jack, Kate + Sawyer, Kate + ANYONE would make you sick to your stomach to watch.  Scratch that, just no KATE relationships, lol.

No Kate, period. Plus, I just think it would be funny to see people sitting there just talking about themselves all emotionless. Like film student independant movies.